NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer’s comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts

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Urban Meyer said the quiet thing out loud. Now, the NFL Players Association is taking action.

“These comments have led us to open an investigation,” NFLPA spokesman George Atallah told PFT via text message regarding Meyer’s admission that player vaccination status was considered in making roster cuts.

The joint NFL and NFLPA protocols have indeed created an incentive to weed out unvaccinated players. However, the rules prohibit considering vaccination status in making employment decisions.

The smart approach, then, is to consider it but not say so. Meyer failed in that regard.

”Everyone was considered,” Meyer told reporters, “that was part of the production and also was he vaccinated or not. To say that was a decision-maker, it certainly was under consideration.”

Bills G.M. Brandon Beane said earlier this year that he’d cut an unvaccinated player if it led to a normal offseason. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith decried the “stupidity” of the remark. The league office spoke to Beane about his remarks.

Undoubtedly, teams considered vaccination status. Why wouldn’t they? It likely was a major factor, for example, in New England’s decision to cut quarterback Cam Newton. But it’s not something that can be admitted, and Meyer’s friend Bill Belichick didn’t — and wouldn’t — link the two. That’s where Meyer erred, and that’s why he’s going to have a mess to clean up in the coming days.

80 responses to “NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer’s comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts

  1. and yet, since there are 5 unreported (asymptomatic) cases for every reported case that means that there is a better than 50% chance that any unvaxxed players already had COVID and thus have been granted better more robust immunity form their own immune system than that provided by the vaccine.
    Psst, natural immunity is 27 times better at protecting against reinfection and something like 70 times better at stopping transmission….. but these unvaxed players are a health risk to everyone else???

    well done NFLPA… screwing yYOUR members over once agina

  2. Strange world when people “err” when they state the obvious truth. The problem is not that vaccination status is considered in whether someone is employed by an organization. The problem is that the “rules prohibit vaccination status in weighing decisions”. That’s silly. Vaccination status is not an inherited trait. It’s a conscious choice made by free individuals. And those choices have consequences. It’s the way the world works.

  3. Good example of why the owners kick the tails of the NFLPA all the time. They’re chasing their tails around a tree. Have you ever seen a dog do that? I’ve often joked that the owners are the ones who vote for the Union leaders. Maybe that’s not a joke.

  4. lol!!

    An investigation? They have a right to do what is best for the team. End of discussion. If people want to be a lunatic and bring disinformation into a locker room or the virus itself, selfishly so, I expect my GM and Coach to get rid of those selfish people.

    Absolutely.

    Buzz off, union. They make the dumbest arguments. They should pleading with the players to get vaccinated, not enabling seflishness and stupidity.

  5. Lol he can’t get past the fact that this isn’t college and he can’t so or do what he pleases

  6. Urban will pull a Bobby Petrino in December to coach his local high school team ala Phil Rivers.

  7. Teams often won’t sign a player who’s injury prone, even though he’s healthy at the time. Is that against the rules? No. There’s a salary cap. If you’re paying guys that aren’t available, for whatever reason, you’re not managing your team very well. If some guys are taking unnecessary risks that could make them unavailable, they usually get cut unless they’re much, much better than the next guy. Nothing new here. It’s called smart business. You don’t have to be secretive about being smart. I realize it’s become cool to be dumb, but the NFL isn’t dumb.

  8. Not the right hill for the NFLPA to die on. (Pun intended).

    Their job is to protect the players, not to fight the league just because. In this case protecting the players means promoting vaccination, not opposing it.

  9. Yes, they will open an investigation. I’ll summarize what will follow: first a phone call to Urban where you ask if any of the players were cut because of vax status. Urban will say no. Second they will issue a report that that says they thoroughly investigated and found no impropriety. The end

  10. For Cam it was possibly different – his status meant BB prob wouldn’t risk making him starter. Cam may have even had an agreement that if not starter then he’d be released.

    But it all makes the NFL/NFLPA protocol to an amateurish joke if the hoops mean a player often can’t be available but that a team have to keep him instead of a more available one who has gotten vaxxed like the NFL/NFLPA wants.

  11. Not being vaccinated is a medical liability. No one would blink if he cut someone with a blown knee. So why is it wrong to protect the other members of your team from someone who is refusing to be vaccinated

  12. Wait until players start getting cut next year because they haven’t received their 5th Covid booster shot

  13. “ PFTSelectiveCensorship says:
    August 31, 2021 at 8:20 pm
    He’s one and done… At best. I hope NFLPA nails him.”

    Right. A union that can’t even get guaranteed contracts for players is going to take him down. 😂 😂 😂

  14. In the end… The union did t lose any jobs. Still the same number of players. So I don’t really see what there would be to kick a fuss up over. If it reduces the number of unionized employees, I could see that. But it doesn’t. So….

  15. Why is this an issue? He should absolutely have the power and discretion to cut whoever he wants in the best interests of winning, and that includes players who have elected to make purposely make themselves unexpectedly ineligible. It’s called Freedom.

  16. I see his point however the NFL is different than the college dictatorship he is used to.

  17. How DARE he tell the truth. Doesn’t he know this is the NFL where you just spew platitudes that don’t actually mean anything? NFL fans in this thread demanding he lie to them cuz that’s what they are used to. rofl

  18. Sorry, what “rule” says the vaccination status can’t be part of the evaluation process? Is it part of the CBA or COVID protocols?

  19. He just isn’t gonna last long in this league,and im even putting my bias aside but it’s just the truth. Upcoming medical condition line 1!

  20. You can cut a WR because you just feel he’s not fast enough to get separation, despite the fact that his excuse for not being fast enough might very well just be genetic and beyond his control. There’s no issue with cutting that player, and rightfully so. But a player making a decision to not get an FDA approved vaccine against a potentially deadly virus (and the potential to limit his availability and that of his teammates) is somehow discriminatory?

    The NFLPA should focus on continuing to push for increased player safety (which should include vaccines), looking after fair treatment of its retired members, and having more money go towards players rather than owners pockets. Why waste time advocating for people who have an option to improve their odds of employment, but refuse to take it?

  21. This crap where we are trying to create a society where you’re free to be ignorant is not working. Do the right thing according to scientists that are smarter than you. Stop catering to willful ignorance, or our species will not survive climate change.

  22. While I agree that vaccination status should be taken into consideration, those are conversations that should stay behind closed doors if you want to stay out of trouble.

    Bills GM Brandon Beane got busted for admitting it would be a factor when trimming the roster weeks ago, not a bright move to repeat the same mistake.

  23. I thought they taught “Media Relations 101” at OSU, UF, & UU??

  24. Bloody hell just mandate everyone get vaccinated. The union needs to get out of their own way on this one..

  25. C’mon NFLPA, of course it’s a factor. If your availability is more questionable because you’re not vaxxed it’s no different than being cut for being injury prone.

  26. If the Nflpa has in issue then they should talk to the NFL about not forcing teams to forfeit games due to covid. Pats do this with Cam Newton and its no big deal.

  27. He is new to the league. He wanted to send a message but went about it the wrong way. Should just have cut the players he wanted to have vaccinated but didn’t want to lose him.

  28. So will the Union investigate team when they won’t sign available players because they aren’t vaccinated?

  29. He just doesn’t get the NFL yet and he’s learning the hard way. This isn’t college Urban. You’re coaching grown men now who have contracts and a union NOT scholarships.

  30. NFL sanctioned bullying tactics designed to achieve submission…..”but for heaven sakes, never admit intent or the NFL will have to undergo a phony investigation”

  31. It’s naive to think vaccination status wouldn’t play a major role in making the team. Only a fool would think it shouldn’t come into play when it comes time to cut players. These people are stupid to think that it wouldn’t make any difference.

  32. Report out tonight says half of Colts starters on offense are unvaccinated. It’s going to be a long season.

  33. Urban Meyer is definitely a moron. But the Union should be more worried about protecting the players who give a damn about not bringing COVID into a locker room. Not these other morons.

  34. The NFL and NFLPA may of agreed to something in regarded to covid, but its not in the CBA its not in player contracts and its not part of any signed agreement that can be legally binding. You can release a player because he has an injury history right ? Or because he actually got hurt right ? So can you not release a player if he gets covid ? or is at a higher risk of getting covid ? I fail to see a difference here. The truth is the NFL has the power and right to mandate all players be vaccinated and the union cannot do anything about that this is a private business you have no legal recourse if they fire you because of it.

  35. The more these other organizations talk the smarter Belichick looks. Loose lips sink ships.

  36. I think Urban’s right to cut a potential super spreader is well founded. It’s for the good of the team. The vast majority of current Covid patients are the unvaccinated. End of story

  37. I ususally side with the NFLPA but not this time. There’s a bigger interest in keeping the NFL covid-free than on pretending that every team isn’t thinking strategically about the vaccine.

    Meyer seems pretty dumb so far and I understand why they feel like they have to raise the alarm since he admitted to something that is more than taboo, but in the end, it’s silly to pretend this wasn’t already happening league wide.

  38. The NFL and the union had an agreement back in March that players will not lose their jobs based on vaccine status. You can disagree with that all you want, but that was the agreement that was made with the union. Meyer just admitted out loud that he used vaccine status in the decision-making. So yes, he is in trouble.

  39. Man is not an NFL coach. He’s a control freak who is going to burn out being unable to control everything and losing will push him back into retirement. And I say this as a gator who he did good things for but was VERY happy to see him move along. He’s never dealt with a media that could honestly square him up and he’s not good at media interactions where any type of questioning of his decisions occurs. Just my opinion, but I think 1.75 seasons and the man walks away saying medical reasons again

  40. Major factor in cutting Cam Newton?

    Uh…no. We all know why they cut Cam, and it ain’t Covid

  41. All Urban has to do is play the TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR STADIUM card. “No foreign travelers shall be allowed to enter the UK unless they’re fully vaccinated well before they travel.” Case closed. But hey NFLPA, you certainly have the right to file a formal Petition of Complaint against the British government. I’m sure they’ll give it the proper consideration it deserves.

  42. It should be a factor though. If they’re not smart enough to vaccinate then you probably don’t want them around in a pandemic.

  43. Vaccinated players can get and deliver covid something the NFL has had the admit. They will be testing both vaccinated and unvaccinated players for covid at least once a week. So what is the point of considering it in the first place. Just wait till they start quarantining players that are vaccinated and then test positive. This will become a twisted mess.

  44. I have just recently gotten my 2nd, I believe as a head coach, if a player refuses a vaccine then said head coach has the right and authority to not employee such.

  45. No player was cut just because they weren’t vaccinated. They were all cut because there were better players available. Considering vaccination status is not different than considering injury history…

  46. Its a fine line but the fact is that a coach can quite fairly worry about availability status, and which protocol you are under has a ton of now proven impact on availability. Dependability and availability do remain the two most important abilities.

  47. Lol. If I were Meyers I would shorten that investigation in the first interview. “Yeah I said it. Here’s why….”

  48. It’s ridiculous to set up a rule, that only unvaccinated players can cause a team to forfeit a game, and then pretend that coaches and GMs don’t take that into account when making roster decisions.

    So is Urban Meyer going to be penalized for saying the sky is blue? It’s ridiculous.

  49. So let me see if I understand this… the League can make rules about unvaccinated players creating a forfeit, in a league where every game matters … but you can not consider that when deciding who is on your roster?

  50. joeychittwood says:
    August 31, 2021 at 8:19 pm
    and yet, since there are 5 unreported (asymptomatic) cases for every reported case that means that there is a better than 50% chance that any unvaxxed players already had COVID and thus have been granted better more robust immunity form their own immune system than that provided by the vaccine.
    Psst, natural immunity is 27 times better at protecting against reinfection and something like 70 times better at stopping transmission….. but these unvaxed players are a health risk to everyone else???

    well done NFLPA… screwing yYOUR members over once agina

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    The authoritarian crowd doesn’t want to hear any of this

  51. The best ability is availability and if a players talent doesn’t outweigh the risk, he get’s cut. Whether it’s being injury prone, suspended, or other reason.

  52. Players can make a personal choice to not be vaccinated and the teams can pick players based on the likelihood of them being available on game day. If players are on the bubble then vaccine status can be a deciding factor.

  53. Why not the NFL wants fans to have the shots wear masks and yet the self entitled players feel they are above it all. When teams have to forfeit what will the union say then

  54. Has there been a coach more tangled up in stupid, self-inflicted controversy before he even coached 1 regular season game than good ol’ Urb? Get outta your own way, man.

  55. Don’t know what you would investigate here outside of replaying a press conference. Anyone being cut due to being unvaccinated was likely on the roster bubble to begin with, so it would be difficult to prove it was based on their vaccination status.

    I noticed the Bills didn’t cut Cole Beasley.

  56. PartyonWayne says:
    August 31, 2021 at 11:35 pm
    People just simply do not understand what is going on…
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    ……freedom to be ignorant affects us all, not just the ignorant. Having a college degree has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. Pass the word.

  57. Starting to wonder if the union is angling to get unvaxxed players some compensation the way they would be compensated with an injury waiver. I don’t think they really care if a player is cut for not getting vaxxed, they only want to make sure that player gets paid for it so they can take their cut.

  58. College Coach Trying To Be an NFL Coach is full effect in Jacksonville. Meyer is finding out, slowly but surely, he isn’t in Ohio St. anymore!
    Can’t say or do anything he wants while the media and boosters around him just giggles with endearment and awe. He’s working with grown ups that are unionized and he has to dance the dance. Oh, and winning won’t come so easy either he’ll find.

  59. If companies across the country can mandate employees to be vaccinated why can’t NFL teams make employment decisions based on vaccination status? Is it a collective bargaining issue? If so I would ask why are hospitals able to require nurses (typically unionized) to be vaccinated?

  60. Yes. It is a collective bargaining issue. If your company has a unionized workforce and you want to make significant changes to employment requirements, you need to negotiate with the union. Most employers do not have existing provisions in a CBA for vaccines. They might already have provisions for this if the company is in healthcare. But most CBAs won’t include vaccines. So it would have to be negotiated.

  61. I’m done listening to antivaxxers spreading their stupidity. If you haven’t taken the shot and you are eligible you are simply too stupid to use logic on. Also , most of you wouldn’t be here without your parents and grandparents doing the right thing but there I go again trying to explain basic human survival to Neanderthals who think rain is gods tears. It’s a virus. It’s trying to kill you and your family. Let that sink in

  62. joeychittwood says:
    August 31, 2021 at 8:19 pm
    and yet, since there are 5 unreported (asymptomatic) cases for every reported case that means that there is a better than 50% chance that any unvaxxed players already had COVID and thus have been granted better more robust immunity form their own immune system than that provided by the vaccine.
    Psst, natural immunity is 27 times better at protecting against reinfection and something like 70 times better at stopping transmission….. but these unvaxed players are a health risk to everyone else???

    well done NFLPA… screwing yYOUR members over once agina

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    I guess he got this medical data and insight from the manager of the ‘Ranch and Farm Feed Store’ when he stopped by to pick up his de-wormer!

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