Does Green Bay Packers, Inc. try hard enough to win Super Bowls?

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As Simms and I put in perspective during Tuesday’s PFT Live the Packers’ expected victory over the Lions, we strayed into the question of whether Aaron Rodgers has a legitimate beef with the organization.

We both think he does.

And here’s the potential core of the problem. It’s something I’ve mentioned before, and it’s probably something I’ll mention again. The corporate ownership structure of the team prevents it from having the kind of single-minded obsession that teams with traditional owners have, when it comes to winning championships.

While there’s definitely a benefit to not having a dysfunctional, meddling owner, the Packers operate at a clear disadvantage when it comes to the absence of a multi-billionaire who wants his football team to be better than the football teams owned by the other multi-billionaires. Whether it’s Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft or any other owner, that urgency to win, to win it all, to do it now simply doesn’t exist in Green Bay.

Look at what the Chiefs did after they lost the Super Bowl. They identified their biggest weaknesses, and they addressed them aggressively. What did the Packers do? For the most part, what they always do. Draft and develop. Draft and develop. Draft and develop.

It serves them well. They’re always competitive. But it helps to have had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers in an unbroken chain that dates back to 1992. For more than 20 years before that, they didn’t have a Hall of Fame quarterback — and they weren’t good.

Rodgers, as Simms always says, makes up for a lot of deficiencies on the roster with his stellar play. What have the Packers ever done to enhance a Hall of Fame quarterback with established veteran talent from other teams?

Rodgers recently told the story of the late Ted Thompson calling Aaron personally in 2007 to address rumors of the team trading for Randy Moss, and to explain that the rumors were unfounded. Maybe they shouldn’t have been unfounded. Moss went to the Patriots that year for a fourth-round pick and had one of the best seasons of any receiver in league history.

It’s not the Green Bay way. Possibly because Green Bay doesn’t have that swashbuckling billionaire who is willing to pull the trigger on bold moves in free agency.

As 49ers CEO Jed York once said, you can’t fire the owner. In Green Bay, anyone and everyone can be fired. Thus, no one will be inclined to stake his or her job on a boom-or-bust move, for fear of that bold move going bust.

Thus, the Packers continue to slow-and-steady their way to consistent contention, loitering on the porch but never kicking in the front door. With 31 other teams all held by individual owners, the league always will have a team or two (or more) that has decided to lunge for the brass ring — even if that means falling off the horse, face first.

For Rodgers to cap his career with a Super Bowl or two, maybe he needs to play for a team with an owner who can and will go all in. The Packers, given the absence of that kind of presence in the organization, never do.

92 responses to “Does Green Bay Packers, Inc. try hard enough to win Super Bowls?

  1. In order to win, you have to be willing to lose first. The Packers philosophy cuts the valleys out of their long-term performance at the expense of smoothing the peaks. BTW, an excellent quarterback raises the team’s level of play covering the team’s deficiencies often to his detriment. See Dan Marino for further information.

  2. This article makes many assumptions that are not true. We (owners) put our team in a position to win every single year. Let’s see… what team has the best record of all time? It’s the Packers. Need we say more?

  3. After consecutive appearances in the NFC championship games in 20&21, the Packers did nothing to improve their team in the short term to push them past that limit. Their defence is still mediocre at best and their depth of receiving options is shockingly weak once you get past Adams. And it’s not as if players weren’t to be had in free agency and the draft that would helped fill those gaps. They simply chose to waste their resources for their supposed future title runs.
    Aaron Rodgers might be a diva, but on this matter he’s got many reasons to complain and to be unhappy with where the team is going.
    Or not going to be more accurate…

  4. I would think they probably do.

    But, what if the organization has “nothing left to prove?” After all, their QB said that a few weeks ago.

    The greatest always have something to prove.

  5. Goes without saying, they haven’t done a good enough job with the defense. That goes all the way back to the Sherman-regime.

    Ted Thompsons narrow-minded approach is pretty well documented. Draft hits, or bust. He busted alot late in his run.

    McCarthy would have been fired MUCH sooner if the team had an owner. It was over for him when he lost that Title game in Seattle.

    I think this organization has gotten what they deserve. Really good, not great. As a fan, I wish it were otherwise.

  6. I forgot about the Moss transaction. Moss and the Packers would have been lethal. I guess the Thompson call basically sealed the fact that the Packers were not going forward with Favre after 2007. Because you wouldn’t be calling your backup QB if that wasn’t the case. The big question is if Thompson called Favre as well telling him this news. He certainly would have had to.

  7. Al Davis: “just win, baby”

    GB front office “just perpetually be unwilling to take the final step to win, baby”

  8. That billionaire owner setup has worked fantastically in Minnesota. Might want to consider going public.

  9. The packers are only as good as the team President allows it to be. Murphy has taken the control of everything. He is to blame for Ted Thompson staying too long. He has the GM cap guy and head coach all directly answering to him. There is 1 person in charge, and he’s not the right guy. I hope he’s turning 70 soon, that is the mandatory retirement date for the team president. Bob Harlan had it right, nearly the entire time. Murphy is not Bob Harlan, the packers need to turn back to a team president that hires a GM and lets it play out the right way, because without Rodgers he would be exposed.

  10. After consecutive appearances in the NFC championship games in 20&21, the Packers did nothing to improve their team in the short term to push them past that limit. Their defence is still mediocre at best
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    The D was feast or famine. They’re pretty tough when they are getting after the QB, not good when they aren’t.

    I simply cannot fathom them sticking with Kevin King. Its simply beyond comprehension. He is absolutely awful. The polar opposite of Jaire Alexander.

    Darnell Savage looked AMAZING his rookie season, but seems to have vanished since.

    The D-line is solid. Typical pack of 3-4 space eaters. Clark would shine anywhere.

    They need a thumper in the middle. That is a glaring hole. Blake Martinez is missed.

    Running Mike Pettine was a mistake. And based on Barrys track record, there is little reason to believe he will get his buisness sorted out.

  11. No one has been more obsessed to win or has more resources than Jerry Jones. Yet, he has been an obstacle to the Cowboys. The Packers constantly knock on the door.

  12. “Best record of all times”. That’s the point of the article. Great record the last 20 years because of lightning striking twice in the same spot with HOF QBs. Rarely reaching the apex. Any other franchise with these two QBs would have won many more championships. An owner wouldn’t have let Ted hang on 4 years too long.

  13. #12 is an exceptional QB. There is some merit to this article.

    Still true that it was right in front of Rodgers to get to the Super Bowl 8 months ago. Packer’s defense gave him the ball back three time in the 4th quarter and he led the offense to zero touchdowns.

    AR is often brilliant, but also part of the reason GB has come up short, certainly this past year.

  14. The Patriots are an outlier. Citing Jerry Jones as an example of an owner with ‘an urgency to win it all’ actually weakens the argument with the Cowboy’s dismal history the past 2 decades. What have owners like Jones, Snyder, Irsay, Davis (Raiders), Wilf, Ross, Khan, Brown (Cinci)the Fords (Lions),Blank, McCaskey, Haslem, Johnson (Jets) Bidwell, and McNair (Texans) – half of the league – accomplished? The track record of these billionaire owners actually makes the Packers ownership look better. Fact: Since 1993, the Packers have more success than all of these owners combined.

  15. man, if only the packers had an owner who wasn’t afraid to call the shots and make roster decisions like Jerry Jones or Al Davis or Arthur Blank or Dan Snyder.

    When your QB takes a large chunk of your cap space it becomes much harder to win. If Rodgers wants the Packers to go all in, then lets see his sacrifice.

  16. The story of the Packers’ success over the past 40 years is simply being lucky enough to get those two QBs. By and large, they’ve squandered that good fortune.

  17. Um, the single-minded, obsessed owners are usually the same ones who haven’t won a championship in 20+ years. There is no benefit to having a dysfunctional billionaire meddling in the team. This is why I am glad that Jed York is letting his people do their jobs without much interference. In my opinion, that’s York’s job — to let his guys to THEIR jobs without interference.

  18. This article makes many assumptions that are not true. We (owners) put our team in a position to win every single year. Let’s see… what team has the best record of all time? It’s the Packers. Need we say more?

    With an almost 30 year run with Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Green Bay has won exactly two titles. That’s not even mediocre, that’s massively underachieving.
    Over that same time span with varying levels of quarterback play from comparable to significantly inferior to the Packers:
    Ravens have won 2. (With zero Hall of Famers).
    Giants have won 2. (With an unlikely Hall of Famer).
    Bucs have won 2. (With one definite Hall of Famer).
    Stealers have won 2. (With one possible Hall of Famer).
    Broncos won 3. (With 2 HoFers).
    Cowboys won 3. (With 1 HoFer).
    Patriots won 6. (With 1 definite HoFer).

    Titletown is a marketing brand not the actual intent.

  19. Since they started playing Super Bowls, Green Bay has won four. Many teams have won fewer. Several haven’t won any.
    Next subject.

  20. Jones fumbled twice against the Bucs in an identical manner each time, not the Packers front office. The defensive coordinator made the inadequate call enabling the TD just before halftime, not the Packer front office. What did the front office do about it? They fired him. It wasn’t the Packer front office that couldn’t get the job done in the Red Zone or following three turnovers.

    The Packers are not to blame. It’s the coaches and players that are to blame.

  21. Ravens have won 2. (With zero Hall of Famers).
    Giants have won 2. (With an unlikely Hall of Famer).
    Bucs have won 2. (With one definite Hall of Famer).
    Stealers have won 2. (With one possible Hall of Famer).
    Broncos won 3. (With 2 HoFers).
    Cowboys won 3. (With 1 HoFer).
    Patriots won 6. (With 1 definite HoFer).
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    Ravens – Ray Lewis, Jon Ogden, Ed Reed
    Giants – Michael Strahan, Eli Manning
    Bucs – Warren Saap, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch
    Steelers – Troy Polamalu, Big Ben, Jerome Bettis (Cowher)
    Cowboys – The Triplets, Larry Allen, Deion, Charles Haley (Jimmeh)
    Pats – Brady, Gronk, Ty Law (Belichick)

  22. Rodgers has had underwhelming GMs. Ted Thompson spent w decade looking at his SB ring from 2010.

    Mickey Loomis did the same thing in New Orleans for Drew Brees.

    Each HOF QB deserved better like Brady.

  23. Carl Gerbby says:
    September 21, 2021 at 1:37 pm
    This article makes many assumptions that are not true. We (owners) put our team in a position to win every single year. Let’s see… what team has the best record of all time? It’s the Packers. Need we say more?__________________________________________________________________________________________
    Yes Carl, you need say more.
    #1: You packers ‘owners’ are insane if you think you have the smallest smidgeon of control over the decisions that Gutenkurst and Murphy make.
    #2: How many super bowls have you won with Favre and Rodgers over the past 29 years?
    #3: Did you forget about the 70’s and 80’s? Do you have CTE? The packers were terrible for two decades before they lucked upon favre and rodgers.

  24. “Draft and develop draft and develop draft and develop. It helps to have Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers…”

    Uuuuh… they traded for and developed Favre, then drafted and developed Rodgers.

    Or did you think those guys just fell from the sky, ready to play, and landed in Green Bay? Or maybe Ron Wolf, THEN Ted Thompson, went out back to the secret Green Bay MVP tree and picked these guys right off the limb?

    Clown.

  25. It’s a different problem then having a bad owner, but yes we basically have a structure that if they are always decent, and keep the money rolling in, that’s more important than winning it all and having a couple tough years or spend extra cash.

  26. Most owners disprove the premise of this article. Who would want Jones, Snyder, Wilf, Davis, McCaskey, Haslam, or a slew of other owners feeding off the profitability of successful franchises like the Packers just to cash checks?

    Reggie White was one of the biggest free agent signings of all time. And they traded for Favre.

  27. Just remember that the Packers are already in massive cap deficit before we say they don’t try to improve their team. Not much you can do when you don’t have money to spend. Personally, I think they’re doing as good a job as any team can given the circumstance.

  28. Does Aaron Rodgers try hard enough to win NFC Championship games?

    I don’t know where this narrative that the Packers organization is bad came from…it just seems like Aaron fanboys took it and ran with it.

    You guys act like they’ve wasted his career with 4 win season after 4 win season.

  29. That’s the easiest question of all time, and the answer is NO. They had an MVP QB, and they were only a player or two, at the most, away from winning another super bowl. But, instead of filling a couple holes, they traded away a first and 3rd round pick to draft a QB who hasn’t stepped on the field. The Packers could have, and probably should have beaten the Bucs last year to advance to the super bowl. They could have used a couple studs from the draft. Nobody has been fired. A normal owner would have cleaned house. So the goal in Green Bay is not to win super bowls. It’s more of a job preservation situation. There is nobody to answer to. Also, not every team has winning the super bowl as their #1 priority. The Packers did a good job acquiring Rodgers, but without him, they’re just another losing team.

  30. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:24 pm
    Why wasn’t Kraft a winning owner before they drafted brady?
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    SB XXXI

    He was , no they didn’t win a SB but did make it in 96
    Since Kraft has owned the team (94 ) they have had only 3 seasons that they have finished below 500%
    They have the Best record in the NFL since 1994 not 2001.
    Yes since 1994 299-135 (regular season) that’s best since 1994

  31. stellarperformance says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:08 pm
    Jones fumbled twice against the Bucs in an identical manner each time, not the Packers front office. The defensive coordinator made the inadequate call enabling the TD just before halftime, not the Packer front office. What did the front office do about it? They fired him. It wasn’t the Packer front office that couldn’t get the job done in the Red Zone or following three turnovers.

    The Packers are not to blame. It’s the coaches and players that are to blame.
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    Maybe its the fact they drafted a qb they did not need giving up draft capital to do so. Maybe it was drafting a RB to play 3rd string behind Williams and Jones, maybe it was also drafting a TE to be 3rd or 4th string?

    A better route to take would have been to drat a wr in the 1st and then to FINALLY fix the inside lb problem. The Packers have the same problems they had 2 years ago when they got bounced by the 49ers. They don’t have a good #2 WR,( they have a #1 and a bunch of #3’s) and they cannot stop the run.

    For you to say its ALL on the players is just ludicrous, it’s to be expected from you though, same narrw look at the game you have had for 12 years.

  32. The story is assuming that the team is merely happy to just make the playoffs. I would suggest salary floor and cap have a bit more to do with this. The Pack tend to be conservative and much more risk averse than other teams. They do like to keep a few bucks left each year to roll over. With that said though every team that wants a SB needs to make the dance each year.

    The sad reality is that every good team is held up to the Pats. This one of the worst ever comparison for any team really. Based on the absolute terrible conference the Pats played in and the fact that they cake walked into the playoffs every year due to the AFC East’s inablity to compete it was that easy. Then you through in always playing at home versus the likes of Indy, Pitt and Baltimore it gave them such an advantage. The NFC has had more power for a number of years which shows.

    Further to this very few teams seem to be able to keep the show together for more than a couple years in a row these days. So much player turnover it happens, a few injuries and boom you’re done again no SB, but you made the playoffs. See KC from last year. Will they make it again this year maybe or maybe they are just good enough to get to the dance.

    Gotta make the playoffs first.

  33. udub says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:39 pm
    Does Aaron Rodgers try hard enough to win NFC Championship games?

    I don’t know where this narrative that the Packers organization is bad came from…it just seems like Aaron fanboys took it and ran with it.

    You guys act like they’ve wasted his career with 4 win season after 4 win season.

    Guys has come up small in multiple championships games and they make excuses for him like Colts fans with Manning

    His D got 5 turnovers vs Seattle they lost
    But it wasn’t his fault
    D got 3 vs Tampa had first and goal 3 times , 6 points

    5 trips to the conference Championship game
    And one win

  34. paulhargis57 says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:41 pm
    For you to say its ALL on the players is just ludicrous, it’s to be expected from you though, same narrw look at the game you have had for 12 years.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    ……that’s odd. People are agreeing with me by a two-to-one margin. What’s up with that?

  35. Such a tired narrative brought on by people who should know better about how hard it is to win in this league. How many Super Bowls does the great Sean Payton and Drew Brees have? Peyton Manning had to leave his franchise to go to a team that had high draft picks to win his 2nd and the year they won was his worse year with Denver.

    Eli and Big Ben are other 2 that have multiple Super Bowls and none of those teams where built around the QB. Winning is hard in the league for everyone, not just those you want to single out.

  36. Reggie White, Santana Sotson, Andre Rison, Charles Woodson. Z Smith, Preston Smith, Mercedes Lewis, Jimmy Graham to name a few. Green Bay has done more than it gets credit for and going all in is no guarantee of success. They’ve had a good enough team to win it all multiple times and have not made the plays, last year being one example.

  37. “For more than 20 years before that, they didn’t have a Hall of Fame quarterback — and they weren’t good.”

    You say the same thing about the Steelers. The Rooney way was not good when Bubby Brister was the QB instead of Big Ben.

  38. Saying the Pats (BB/TB12) had it easy because of the AFC East stunk is wrong. The Pats record against the AFC north is pretty much the same. BB/TB12’s record against everyone is also pretty much the same.

    A little bit less than 75% in regular season and a little bit better than 67% in Post season. Including SB.

  39. Frazier28/7 says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:23 pm
    Rodgers is Lucky to have one ring.
    Nothing has changed.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    He’s batting 1.000 compared to nearly four generations and sixty-years of Vikings quarterbacks. I take that as a good thing, not a bad thing.

  40. Just ignore the cap like the Broncos. Remember that one time Peyton mysteriously ended up with like 30 Papa John’s franchises in Denver in 2012 right when he joined the team, only to miraculously sell them all moments before the NFL ended its partnership with them? Hilarious.

  41. complicatedfella says:
    September 21, 2021 at 3:08 pm
    The organization is just not World Class in any category…
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    This is from less than three weeks ago and took eleven seconds to find:

    “Top 10 NFL stadiums on capacity, atmosphere, history and facilities…..Winner: Lambeau Field.”

  42. The AFC East STUNK. To high heaven.

    AFC East teams won 1 Playoff game, 2011-2020. LAST year, by the Bills. A whole decade.

    The Dolphins, Bills and Jets combined for only 5 Playoff trips in 30 tries. 1 each for the Dolphins and Jets.

    Historically bad.

  43. Carl Gerbby says:
    September 21, 2021 at 1:37 pm
    This article makes many assumptions that are not true. We (owners) put our team in a position to win every single year. Let’s see… what team has the best record of all time? It’s the Packers. Need we say more?
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    Teams with as many or more SB appearances as the Packers-8; teams with more SB wins then the Packers-5. Enjoy your best record of all time.

  44. You say the same thing about the Steelers. The Rooney way was not good when Bubby Brister was the QB instead of Big Ben.
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    Neil O’Donnell got them to a Super Bowl.

    And the Steelers won 1 IN SPITE of Big Ben, as he turned in the worst performance ever by a Super Bowl starter.

  45. Does Aaron Rodgers try hard enough to win NFC Championship games?
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    1 of only 5 QBs in NFL history with a 100 post-season passer rating.

  46. Wrong on all counts.

    1) 13 championships(the most in the NFL) show championships are possible.

    2) If private ownership is required to win the Super Bowl, how come the Lions haven’t been there since 1957? Or the Cardinals? Or the Bengals?

    3) There’s a salary cap, or have you forgotten? You can’t just hire free agents at will. If you look at the Packers roster, they have signed free agents, with a philosophy of resigning their own. Rodgers contract of a few years ago made him the highest paid QB in the league. David Bahktiari is the highest paid left tackle. I could go on with several other examples.

    4) The constant belief in some circles is that AR has legit gripes is really getting old. Doesn’t every employee have gripes? But do they get paid more than $200 million for their jobs?

    Please, enough of the Green Bay management bashing. Take a look at the Vikings for ineptitude, or the Bears as other examples.

  47. stellarperformance says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:08 pm

    Jones fumbled twice against the Bucs in an identical manner each time, not the Packers front office. The defensive coordinator made the inadequate call enabling the TD just before halftime, not the Packer front office. What did the front office do about it? They fired him. It wasn’t the Packer front office that couldn’t get the job done in the Red Zone or following three turnovers.

    The Packers are not to blame. It’s the coaches and players that are to blame.

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    The front office traded up for an unneeded first-round QB who sat uselessly on the bench while the Packers were one playmaker away from making it to the Super Bowl.

  48. The almighty has blessed this community with a NFL record 13 World Championships. It is incredibly humbling to be so much better than everyone else.

  49. The case against Green Bay’s ownership has not been made. Yes, one feels that Rogers maybe could have achieved more, but the same can be said fro a lot of quarterbacks. During the past 25 years, The Patriots have been wildly successful with 6 wins in 10 Super Bowls. The Broncos with 3 wins in four is only slightly better than the the 2-1 record shared by the Giants, Steelers, and Packers. And that leaves 27 teams with one owner who are less successful. Tied for third place in Super Bowl success over the past 25 years is not bad.

  50. While I believe much of what was said is true. Ron Wolf did try to add pieces to get over the hump – and it worked. My biggest complaint as a fan (who lived through the 8-8 eighties) is that at some point you don’t have to be the youngest team in the league. Sometimes you can get players that OTHER teams developed. I hoped Gutie would be more Ron Wolf and less Ted Thompson but I don’t see that happening.

  51. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:18 pm

    Ravens have won 2. (With zero Hall of Famers).
    Giants have won 2. (With an unlikely Hall of Famer).
    Bucs have won 2. (With one definite Hall of Famer).
    Stealers have won 2. (With one possible Hall of Famer).
    Broncos won 3. (With 2 HoFers).
    Cowboys won 3. (With 1 HoFer).
    Patriots won 6. (With 1 definite HoFer).
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    Ravens – Ray Lewis, Jon Ogden, Ed Reed
    Giants – Michael Strahan, Eli Manning
    Bucs – Warren Saap, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch
    Steelers – Troy Polamalu, Big Ben, Jerome Bettis (Cowher)
    Cowboys – The Triplets, Larry Allen, Deion, Charles Haley (Jimmeh)
    Pats – Brady, Gronk, Ty Law (Belichick)

    —-

    I think the OP was talking about HOF QBs specifically, not players overall.

  52. I’ve been saying this for years. This organization doesn’t care about getting the team to the next level. If they get there (2010), great. If not, hey they made the playoffs! As long as the team is competitive and making the playoffs, it’s all that matters. Not taking the next step. Being competitive and making the postseason keeps the fans interested, therefore the team continues to make money. And that is what it’s all about

  53. I hoped Gutie would be more Ron Wolf and less Ted Thompson but I don’t see that happening.
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    Wolf scored early, with Reggie and others, but he too went mostly draft and develop.

    Gute made a very large splash on D. The Smith Bros and Amos were all big $$ signings. It would be scary to think where this D would be without them. They certianly wouldn’t have been in back-to-back Title games.

    I hope he doesn’t waste any more dough on guys like Jimmy Graham.

  54. Bringing up Jerrah Jones is interesting. He is the only GM in the league who did not go directly from being a college student to a career in football.

  55. If a non owner ownership group can put together a team that wins 13 games, the coaches should be able to take that team to a super bowl

  56. kevpft says:
    September 21, 2021 at 4:25 pm
    The front office traded up for an unneeded first-round QB who sat uselessly on the bench while the Packers were one playmaker away from making it to the Super Bowl.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    If you can’t get it done with the No.1 ranked offense in the NFL I don’t think a rookie WR without a guarantee for success is going to matter much. Jones fumbled twice in the same exact manner each time, one of which led to a lucky walk-in TD two plays later. Add the boneheaded defensive play calling before the half and there’s your difference…..in spades.

  57. Come on now. I’m not a Packer lover or hater but that’s kind of a ridiculous statement. Do they spend to the cap? Yes. There’s a difference between indifference and incompetence. The Jets are trying every single year to win a Super Bowl – they just make the wrong moves due to incompetence…not indifference.

  58. Armchair GMs think things like “why don’t we trade for Hopkins and Donald, then swap Dean Lowry for Devin White?? What is the GM thinking?”

    Oh if only we’re that simple. Thumbs down if you are jealous of GB’s success (you must vote for it to count).

  59. Draft and develop? That went out the door with Thompson. This article shows the writer hasn’t kept up with the news and missed a few FA signings the past few years.

    As for needing a billionaire owner, you made the perfect argument against it in Jerry Jones. And he’s just one of 30 other morons with money running teams.

    The Packers have been fine – most championships by the NFL’s smallest team. 30 years of competitiveness. What’s the problem? They don’t have Tom Brady? He’s one in a million.

  60. The Packers will not sacrifice the future for the present. The strategy that does so is bonkers. If that means, in the view of the assembled geniuses here, that they so not try hard enough, then maybe we need better geniuses here.

  61. “Rodgers recently told the story of the late Ted Thompson calling Aaron personally in 2007 to address rumors of the team trading for Randy Moss, and to explain that the rumors were unfounded”
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    Well I tend to believe this story either isnt true or that the dates may have gotten mixed up. If Thompson was calling the backup qb instead of the starting qb it’s the same issue as now that the packers are building for Love not Rodgers. When Moss was traded to new England Favre was still entrenched at qb for green bay and played 1 more season there.

  62. while the Packers were one playmaker away from making it to the Super Bowl.

    +++++

    Yeah. His name was Bahktiari.

  63. “McCarthy would have been fired MUCH sooner if the team had an owner.”
    __________

    That is highly doubtful. The way things played out even with an owner they were likely going to stick with McCarthy simply because winning coaches don’t get fired very often. They made the playoffs 6 straight years after the Super Bowl so he wasn’t getting fired over that span period. They went 7-9 in 2017 but had been in the NFC Championship game just the year before so even firing him then wasn’t overly likely. They finally did fire him midseason in 2018. So, at very best he gets fired one year earlier. Not saying he was a great coach but the W-L record and constant playoff appearances made it hard to move on.

  64. I think it’s a fair argument and it’s how I look at them every time I watch them play – bleh. It’s not that you have to be flashy they just never look like they even care. Something ain’t right in that town.

    Oh an to an earlier poster if the “most wins eva “ or whatever is your goal as an owner? Good for you. Lot of seasons on that 100 years. Many teams with rings weren’t playing then. So you are being left behind.

  65. Obviously not. The so called “greatest, most gifted passer” of all time and only one SB to show for it.

  66. GB Org. loves cheap ball. They live off undrafteds and late round picks. They hate the high draft picks and rarely move up into the elite level to grab a top defensive player because those people command top money.
    Vic Ketchum was once asked why the packers play a 3 4 defense and he said its cheaper. Top defensive linemen you need to play a 4 4 command top money and the Packers dont want to pay it.
    They work under the assumption Rodgers and Farve before him will put up more points then an average d gives up.

  67. The way things played out even with an owner they were likely going to stick with McCarthy simply because winning coaches don’t get fired very often.
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    Regular season wins. Embarrassed in the post season annually after 2010.

    Destroyed by the Giants after going 15-1
    The Kapernick game
    The disaster in Seattle
    Obliterated by the Falcons in the NFCC Game

    It became more and more clear McCarthy was a problem. He had totally lost the team by the end.

    Failure to act cost the team huge.

  68. Packers are equivalent of store brand cheese. Typically a little above average, but if they change one ingredient to cut cost (quarterback), it is probably going to suck.

  69. Jerry Jones is about marketing, not winning. That’s why he overpays for QB, RB, and WR. And there’s no cash left to field a decent overall team. That’s why they go 8-8 every year or worse. There’s no penalty to sucking in the NFL, so that’s why Jerry doesn’t care.

  70. flash1224 says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:51 pm
    udub says:
    September 21, 2021 at 2:39 pm
    Does Aaron Rodgers try hard enough to win NFC Championship games?

    I don’t know where this narrative that the Packers organization is bad came from…it just seems like Aaron fanboys took it and ran with it.

    You guys act like they’ve wasted his career with 4 win season after 4 win season.

    Guys has come up small in multiple championships games and they make excuses for him like Colts fans with Manning

    His D got 5 turnovers vs Seattle they lost
    But it wasn’t his fault
    D got 3 vs Tampa had first and goal 3 times , 6 points

    5 trips to the conference Championship game
    And one win

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    Hard to blame Rodgers for the Seattle loss unless you expect him to play special teams.

  71. dmca12 says:
    September 21, 2021 at 3:25 pm
    Reggie White, Santana Sotson, Andre Rison, Charles Woodson. Z Smith, Preston Smith, Mercedes Lewis, Jimmy Graham to name a few. Green Bay has done more than it gets credit for and going all in is no guarantee of success. They’ve had a good enough team to win it all multiple times and have not made the plays, last year being one example.

    __________________

    Denver Broncos signed DeMarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Emmanuel Sanders over a 48 hour period. Yes GB has made some big free agent splashes, but hasn’t been anything impacting since Charles Woodson.

  72. Packers should be in win-now mode but didn’t draft like it when they took Jordan Love. If they had taken the top DB available they’d have been in the Super Bowl last year.

  73. The other side of this Kevin King is a good example of a guy picked high and does not pan out but yet they play him and he is costing them games but “they got to make the GM look good”. Benching him or cutting him means the GM screwed up and should be replaced and the management doesnt want that so they play poor picks.
    Zimmer (Vikings) drafted a kicker who missed three field goals in two games, costing them both games and Zimmer cut the guy. When asked why didnt you wait and let this guy develop Zimmer said “were in the win now mode not the draft and develop mode”.
    This is really the difference the GM and the other teams.

  74. Last year’s Packers were good enough to win the Super Bowl.

    They had a supporting cast for Rodgers that included a top-10 defense, the best receiver in the NFL, one of the best dual-threat running backs, arguably the best offensive line and an impressive up-and-coming tight end. Pro Football Focus graded the GB receivers as #1 in the NFL at creating separation.

    New England rarely went with the all-in kind of moves you described during Brady’s tenure because management understands most of the time, that stuff looks a lot better on paper than it normally turns out, can create locker room consequences and then the team pays for it for years with lost draft picks and salary cap consequences.

  75. 1. How do we know what offers have been made to free agents? Maybe some simply don’t want to come to Green Bay?
    2. Gutenkunst is more aggressive than TT was. Was it the right move to draft Jordan Love? Too early to tell. But when it comes to free agency, is there even a debate?
    3. Do we know what trade offers have been made/rejected? Nope.
    4. No doubt, the Pack held onto Mike McCarthy for way too long. Ted Thompson should’ve been told to retire a few seasons before he transitioned into an advisory role
    5. If were on the board of directions, I’d be leading the charge to get rid of Mark Murphy. The setup now (GM/HC repot to him)…no.

  76. Denver Broncos signed DeMarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Emmanuel Sanders over a 48 hour period. Yes GB has made some big free agent splashes, but hasn’t been anything impacting since Charles Woodson.
    ==========

    They would not have gone to back-to-back Title games without ZaDarius Smith, Preston Smith and Adrian Amos.

  77. Vic Ketchum was once asked why the packers play a 3 4 defense and he said its cheaper. Top defensive linemen you need to play a 4 4 command top money and the Packers dont want to pay it.
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    They switched to the 3-4, immediately improved (22nd to 7th) then won the Super Bowl the next year.

    They are no worse off now as opposed to running the 4-3. Its not like that was going gangbusters for them. (No Super Bowls 1998-2008)

  78. dmca12 says:
    September 21, 2021 at 3:25 pm
    Reggie White, Santana Sotson, Andre Rison, Charles Woodson. Z Smith, Preston Smith, Mercedes Lewis,
    ———
    Mercedes Lewis – that is laughable a tight end who had all of 4 TDs in three plus seasons.

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