Alex Guerrero: Bill Belichick treated Tom Brady like a 20-year-old kid, not a 40-year-old man

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Alex Guerrero, Tom Brady‘s personal fitness guru and TB12 business partner, was often viewed as a source of discord between Brady and Bill Belichick. Guerrero’s latest comments do nothing to change that.

Guerrero told Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald that over their two decades together, Belichick never grasped the extent to which Brady had changed and grown and needed different coaching than he needed early in his career.

“The interesting thing I think there — and this is just me, an outsider looking in — it was like Bill never really . . . I think his emotions or feelings never evolved with age,” Guerrero said. “I think in time, with Tom, as Tom got into his late 30s or early 40s, I think Bill was still trying to treat him like that 20-year-old kid that he drafted. And all the players, I think, realized Tom was different. He’s older, so he should be treated differently. And all the players, none of them would have cared that he was treated differently. I think that was such a Bill thing. He never evolved. So you can’t treat someone who’s in his 40s like they’re 20. It doesn’t work.”

Guerrero has gone with Brady from New England to Tampa Bay, and he says everything about the Buccaneers franchise is just right for Brady at this stage in his career.

“This place, we have so much fun here. We have a great time,” said Guerrero. “They’re great here. Ownership is great. The coaching is great, the management is great.”

In New England, Belichick barred Guerrero from the team facility. In Tampa, Guerrero says he’s been welcomed with open arms at the team facility, and that a lot of Brady’s Buccaneers teammates join him for additional work at the TB12 training center that Guerrero has opened near the stadium.

“There’s a large group of [players] that come, I don’t know what the number is. But there’s a large group,” Guerrero said. “We have great support over here. The ownership is super supportive, the coaching staff is super supportive. The players are supportive. So it’s been great.”

The Buccaneers have shown Brady that they value him, and that means a lot to a person in Brady’s position. It’s something Belichick probably should have done more of.

135 responses to “Alex Guerrero: Bill Belichick treated Tom Brady like a 20-year-old kid, not a 40-year-old man

  1. The whole point is that Belichick treats everyone the same and there is no star treatment.

    I never would have guessed his own doctor would confirm the rumors of Brady turning into a diva.

  2. Sometimes, that’s just done out of love. I’m 50 and my mother still insists on making pancakes with whipped cream smiley faces on them for me when I come visit her.

  3. That doesn’t surprise me given his replaceable parts coaching philosophy. I sometimes think he is less a coach and more mad genius that way. Whatever it worked. But this continued whining out of the Brady Camp. Look I know Brady is more MIchael Jordan than Magic Johnson (think pathetic woe is me HoF speech that went back to HS and all the people who didn’t believe in him) but dude has to get some humility. He was an important cog of a great dynasty but he was just a cog. That team was going to win anyway, especially with the rules changes and rules “bending”. I’m not convinced on 2020 because it was a covid season but for me either way the aww shucks guy using surrogates and passive aggressive messaging to remind everyone how great he thinks he is – childish.

  4. What I recall hearing from players who came and went with New England is Belichick treating Brady like all the other players helped them buy into the program and team concept, which over the years I think helped lead to a lot of success.

    I’m happy Brady is finding success in Tampa and it will be interesting to see how it goes moving forward but at this point it seems unnecessary for someone like Guerrero to be speaking out and to me it seems like a good reason as to why he was banned from Patriots facilities. It seems to me there’s a good chance guys like Guerrero have been whispering in Brady’s ear for a long time, sowing discord, and creating problems where none may otherwise exist.

    Either way I’m on to Mac10!

  5. and that a lot of Brady’s Buccaneers teammates join him for additional work at the TB12 training center that Guerrero has opened near the stadium.

    —–

    Also known as the cult.

  6. Belichick treats everyone like an ADULT. Period.

    Doesn’t matter is someone is 20, 40 or 60. They each get the same respect as an ADULT should. Mr. Guerrero sounds bitter for being kicked out of Patriots organization that he wasn’t even part of but felt ENTITLED to just because he worked with Brady.

  7. Without Bill, Tom would have been nothing.
    Tom, his dad, and Alex, “The Fitness Guru” are a bunch of whining, middle-schoolers.
    Move on, children.

  8. I love it when people who never coached a day in their life, suddenly become experts on coaching.

    Yes, treat every player on the team different, see where that gets you. LOL

  9. Curious what all those Bucs players are paying for the TB12 services? This is a strange relationship with a shady character.

  10. First, why cant Tom just man up and say it himself? You are gone, if you have something to say, just say it. Stop speaking through your dad. Stop speaking through your trainer. Just say it.

    Second, no one on the team is special. Thats just the way Belichick does business. Yes, Tom Brady is “special”, there is no doubt about that. But it becomes a slippery slope with professional athletes. Every super star sees himself as “special”. Just look at the narratives that pop up when it comes time for a contract. Getting anything less than what “I deserve” is “disrespect”. So when it comes to the team, you might get special treatment in your paycheck (but even thats a bit of a stretch in NE), but you arent getting anything in the film room that is better than anyone else. It is what it is.

  11. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks. BB is not looking good the longer this train keeps rolling and it doesn’t look like it’s ending anytime soon. Good for TB12, he deserves all the success he’s been getting and will continue to have.

  12. I love what TB12 did for the Patriots. I admit hes the greatest ever.
    But boo hoo the coach was mean to me.
    The coach who drafted you when no one else wanted you. Who kept 4 qbs on roster your first year so you could grow into job. The coach who put you in and believed in you over the 100 million man Bledsoe.
    Boo.hoo without him you wouldn’t have ever gotten the chance to become TB12.
    Maybe Tom forgets that.
    I hope he wins 10 super bowls i love him as a player.
    Stop crying about mean old BB

  13. By the end of this season we will have good insight into whether Brady or BB were the real key to the Patriots’ success. Last season completely pointed towards Brady.

  14. It shows how loyal Tom was that he put up with the nonsense for so long. I hope this continues to help kill the idea that Brady “abandoned” the Patriots.
    You can only treat a goat like a kid for so long.

  15. I’m ashamed of myself for even clicking on this article, but what’s the point? F that guy. I’m sure he’s making millions off of Tom, so why even comment? It’s not going to help anybody.

  16. Bill was the only coach that wanted brady 20 years ago. But he doesn’t know anything i guess

  17. TB went to 9 Super Bowls in New England. Seems Belichick knew what he was doing. Its a team sport: Brady didn’t get them to the SB alone, in fact, some of his performances were average. The D often did a great job, also in the playoffs (who can forget the 20-3 beatdown of Manning and Colts or the AFC win over Manning and the Colts 43-22 in Manning’s MVP, 55 TD season).
    Brady didn’t play defense.

  18. I hate the Patriots as much as the next guy. That being said, what does he mean it didn’t work? They went to 9 Super Bowls and won 6! I wish my team had a fractured relationship like that!

  19. Belichick had a history of taking credits that he didn’t deserve.

    Like SB against Bills : did his defense have a good game? Yes, but considering hat he had everything a DC could ask for in Giants, considering that his defense had to play less than 20 minutes, it is far far from a great performance because his defense still gave Bills a chance to win the SB in last 2 minutes.

  20. I wonder how Willie McGinest thinks seeing the specialist he used 20 years ago, has paired up with Diva Tommy and done this?

    I mean how embarrassing for Brady turning into a Millennial in his 40s and acting in such passive-aggressive and clasless fashion.

    The only person who changed was Brady.

    BB has been the same coach from the beginning. Brady wanted to be treated different than everyone else. He felt he was above the team which is why BB and Kraft walked. He’s obviously turned into a drama queen.

  21. This is how it should be done. Why should Brady be treated any differently? It’s team above individual.

  22. All businesses need to adapt as the workforce evolves…the company I work for has lost a lot of great employees because the boss doesn’t allow remote / work from home.

    So just maybe you bend the rules for the guy that shouldn’t have to wait 5 years to enter the HOF.

  23. These comment sections are always fun; who was responsible for the Patriots dynasty Tom or Bill. Is the “Patriot Way” going to work without Brady? For years and years we’ve had to slog through Pat’s fans insistence that the “you want fun or do you want rings” mantra is the key to the Pat’s success. Now Brady is having fun and still winning rings while the Pat’s haven’t looked good since he left.

  24. Interesting since Brady behaves like a 20 year-old kid instead of a 45 year old father and husband every chance he gets!

  25. pedroforpresident says:
    September 23, 2021 at 10:15 am
    Sometimes, that’s just done out of love. I’m 50 and my mother still insists on making pancakes with whipped cream smiley faces on them for me when I come visit her.

    —-

    “Lucky”. In my best Napoleon Dynamite voice…

  26. Sometimes athletes need to be treat like all others. They get paid to be part of a team and the better ones are already treated differently with the amount of money they are paid.

  27. It’s funny to see the BB is useless without Tom quotes. Two years ago these same folks were downplaying Brady[as the GOAT] – “it’s a system”. But now it was all him! SMH

  28. Thanks a lot Green Bay. All you had to do was play prevent defense right before halftime last year and we all wouldn’t have to listen to this crap.

  29. No room in new England for divas who want to be treated differently! Im so glad Brady and his snake oil salesmen are gone.

  30. Belichek made Brady in the first 5 years of his career…

    Brady made Belichek after that.

    Belichek will be a .500 coach the rest of his life

  31. chickensalad43 says:
    September 23, 2021 at 10:32 am

    What has Bill Belichick ever accomplished without Tom Brady? I’ll wait.

    ==========

    This is such silly thinking. He won two Super Bowls with the Giants (where his crushing defense was the compete difference in grounding opponents high-flying offenses) and his mark was all over the Patriots 20-year success.

    Great coaches and QBs need each other for the kind of sustained success they found. Without Belichick, it wouldn’t surprise me if Brady never won a SB. And vice versa.

    What did Jimmy Johnson accomplish without Aikman? Walsh without Montana? It’s silly to look at it that way.

    Brady won last year because he, as a viable all-time QB, went to a fully-loaded team only missing a QB, with an unsustainable roster. Think he wins it all if he goes to the Panthers or Bears or Texans? Of course not.

  32. But now it was all him! SMH

    ———————-

    It was NEVER if Brady did all, it is always about who was the engine behind Pats dynasty, Brady or Belichick.

    As Belichick’s believers insist it was Belichick, the magic system, so let us wait and see how the system works without Brady.

  33. And what would Guerrero be without TB12 and Brady? Nothing. I think the story we’ve heard before is far more believable: Brady wanted in his career to try somewhere else, craved a change of venue to see if he could win the challenge there too. Many of us could say we have felt the same way in a job we’ve successfully held for a long time. Brady is just as much interested in building TB12 as well. In many ways, who could blame Brady for wanting to jump to a team that had been a yearly loser for so long it was able to stockpile high-end draft picks and be a contender only missing a QB. In contrast, the Patriots had been so successful for so long they always drafted late. We all know here the system is intentionally designed to make successful teams regress. Strange how people “blame” BB for the current record instead of the real culprit: parity. If BB had left and Brady had stayed last year best case probably would have been 1-2 more wins and a quick playoff exit.

  34. If team Brady is so happy in Tampa Bay, then why are they acting like they’re still BUTT hurt. I agree with a lot of comments on this thread. Even people who dislike the Patriots get it, which should tell Brady and his Dad something. ( I get TB Senior trying to defend his son, that’s what a farther does)

    But, the whole concept of Belicheck’s system is TEAM. No matter how big, know ONE PART is greater than the team. Yes, Tom Brady is great and a hall of fame, but he did forget where he came from and who made him. They say Bellicheck is nothing without Brady and treated him unfairly. How exactly did he do that? Bellicheck put his whole career on the line when he made the decision to Bench Bledsoe and continue with Brady. Does Brady forget that? In the words of TB Senior, ” DAM STRAITS” he does. Everyone above is right. You don’t go to NINE Superbowl’s without having some pretty good coaching.. Arians could have Brady in his prime, and could never have gotten to NINE Superbowl’s..

  35. Bill’s Patriots coming out of the tunnel as a team in the XXXVI SB win says it all. Before then, and even the Rams did it that game, the star players would be introduced and run out to individual applause and fireworks and whatever, and then the rest of the team came out. But the Pats were introduced as a team. And it was a team that won and lost every game since then. Belichick didn’t treat Tom like a kid, he treated him like a player. He didn’t meddle in Tom’s outside affairs except when those affairs started causing fractures in the team environment. Guerrero is just bitter about that because he lost control over the Patriots’ players. Wait until the Bucs’ trainers start having issues with Alex and see how this goes.

  36. TB you left, stop having your entourage do your crying for you….

    ————————-

    Ya, as a QB, looking at the terrible draft, he was not allowed to have a say.
    Ya, he took a pay cut, and his coach still couldn’t give him a decent and stable WR group, and he was supposed to swallow it.

    What is wrong with you people?

  37. So, based on this comment and those of Brady’s father, I interpret that he felt that he should be treated differently from other players….kind of like a step above the crowd. Isn’t the fact that he WASN’T like that during the beginning of his career the thing that he got the most credit for? How he was a total team guy, didn’t want to be treated differently? Tommy-boy turned into a diva right before our eyes and expected BB to treat him a such. We all know how that turns out….BB doesn’t do diva. I have lost a ton of respect for Brady, he is no different than Rodgers or Lebron….thinks he is above the rest of his teammates and should be treated like a rock star. That might work in the entertainment business but not in team sports. Yes, he is still winning and will probably continue to win, but he has lost a LOT of fans over the past 3 or 4 years.

  38. The interesting thing in this is that Guerrero isn’t just speaking from his perspective, I promise you that. This is a shared opinion of him and Tom. I don’t see Guerrero speaking about this without Brady’s blessing.

  39. This is all crybaby stuff, but it is obvious that Brady is the greatest player ever. Maybe a lot of coaches would have won 6 Super Bowls with Brady at QB. Maybe Belichick is actually the same guy who was fired by the Browns. A few more years will round out that story.

  40. Brady fell to the 6th round when Belichick drafted him and gave him a shot. 9 Super Bowls later. In the past 2 days Brady’s dad and Alex “Con Man” Guerrero do Tom’s whining for him. Diva away, Tom.

  41. What wasn’t working is that the team could defer salary cap payments for only so long until that put them at a disadvantage. NE is in a rebuilding stage that TB doesnt have enough time left in his career to go through if he wants only to win championships. So he bolted to a stacked team that was only missing a competent qb. I dont resent him for that. But that whole plyability thing didnt prevent MCL surgery, did it? I’ll be surprised if he escapes IR this year

  42. Reminds me of Lane Johnson after Philly won the Super Bowl. Gloating. Lane had no more fun after that.

  43. If you think it was all Bill or all Tom, you obviously haven’t paid attention to any of the dominate teams since like the beginning of the NFL.
    One thing’s for sure, only one of them has taken the high rode since the divorce and it’s not Tommy boy.

  44. BB is so used to recycling players, one phase after another, except Brady who hung on for 20 years. It’s not surprising BB keeps the same song and dance year after year but for Brady it must be tiring. At that point a separation or change of scenery is good for both parties. Nothing last forever. Just move on.

  45. I love Tom for the football entertainment he brought to Pats fans for 20 years. But this sudden full court press on bashing BB by Brady-mouthpieces is getting old real quick.

    If Brady has something to say to BB he should man up and say it. Otherwise tell your water carriers to shut up.

  46. Like old school moms used to tell their children “Son I brought you into this world and I can take you out”, Belichick brought Brady into the NFL and I suspect Belichick’s defense will retire Brady after week 4.

  47. There’s a post above Belichick NOT treating Brady like he should have been.
    Recall in the last few years, Brady began to skip OTAs and other voluntary activities, when we all knew Belichick frowned on players NOT attending. He cut him plenty of slack.
    One third of starting QBs get hurt each season. Heck, we’re in week 3 and a half dozen have gone down. Brady’s one hit from calling it a career. Not a terrible decision to not pay him $50 million guaranteed. Not the NE business model.

  48. Keep in mind that there have been ZERO negative comments about Brady from anyone inside the Pats organization.

    Alex and Brady Sr. are adding a ton of negativity to Brady’s legacy with the Pats, and it looks spiteful and amateurish.

  49. They won 6 super bowls together. No coach has ever done that. Many coaches would have screwed it up, long before they won 4 super bowls. It might not have been perfect, but nothing is perfect. Whatever they did was working. Could they have won 10 super bowls if everything was better? We’ll never know. Maybe Joe Montana could have won 11 super bowls. We’ll never know that, either. Some people think the Cowboys could have won more if Jimmy Johnson would have stayed. Maybe so. So, if someone wants to point out the imperfect environment that led to 6 super bowl wins, I can think of a lot of owners that would love to have what Belichick and Brady had in New England.

  50. When Youi look at the facts Brady leaving NE had very little to do with BB not “evolving” his relationship with Tom, or Tom becoming a diva. This was all about football and self interest. Think about it.

    The Pats came off the 2019 season after a fast start, limped to the end, and was one and done. Going into the 2020 season, they were in DEEP cap trouble, so help via FA wasn’t and option. They had had a series of mediocre to bad drafts the previous 3 years, so the talent pool wasn’t as high, and they had probably the worst TE/WR situation in the league.

    On BB’s side he had a 42 year old QB who wanted a multiyear contract and more money than he had to give him. On Brady’s side he realized that 2020 was going to be a reset year and had no chance to vie for another championship. And at 42 you have NO time for reset years.

    So while the deterioration of the Brady/BB relationship MIGHT have played a small part in Tom leaving, the real reason was this, The Pats needed a reset year to get to where they HAD the cap space to upgrade the roster. Brady needed to get to a team who had the pieces to compliment his talents.

    Now I don’t know what other teams Brady looked at, but Tampa looked like the perfect fit to me, and I was thrilled when he signed there. As sad as I was to see him go, it was like seeing you kid go off to college. You hate it, but you know it had to happen.

    The Brady BB drama thing is great media drama, but the FACT is that Brady left because it was in his own best interest. NO drama, just common sense.

  51. Brad is a great player and teammate but it’s not a good look to have his family and business partner claiming he was a victim.

    Brady is one of the most privileged individuals in the world. Try appreciating it.

  52. Belichick turned a terrible Browns team into a winning playoff team in two years and was headed to great success there till Art Model completely screwed things up. That Belichick Browns team became a Superbowl winner in the Baltimore Ravens

  53. Judging by the way he’s been playing, Brady’s best days are ahead of him. Letting him walk has to be the biggest mistake in the history of the Patriot’s franchise. You let a guy like that retire on his terms and do everything in your power to make him happy.

  54. Let’s remember that Guerrero has his own agenda. Heck, even Tom Brady Sr. has his own agenda. Too many people are assuming that Guerrero is acting as Brady’s mouthpiece. These guys speak for themselves.

    Brady and Belichick have always spoken well about each other, which is only right. They each made business decisions that resulted in Brady becoming a free agent after two decades and going to the Bucs. No divorce is completely amicable, but some divorced couples manage to act like adults, and BB and TB12 are among them. Unfortunately, way too many people want to turn this into drama.

  55. That may be true but only as a result of being treated as a regular player being held accountable the same as anyone else. That approach molded Tom Brady into the guy he is today. It’s hard to shift gears after 20 years of success using that approach. Bill is using his vast knowledge of what has and hasn’t worked in the past to make decisions about the future. There is no precedent for a Tom Brady and for that reason Bill didn’t have any reason to treat him differently. It worked out for Brady leaving but the odds were so far stacked against him that saying Bill was wrong now falls under “hindsight is 20/20”.

  56. but the FACT is that Brady left because it was in his own best interest. NO drama, just common sense.

    ———————-

    You think Tom didn’t take huge risk by leaving NE? What if he failed to win a SB? it would only enforce the sentiment “Brady can’t win without Belichick”; and he was 42 then, and might “fall off cliff” at any time.

    That is why Brady wanted to stay in NE, even though Belichick tried to push him out after SB against Falcons, he still tried to negotiate with Belichick. Belichick, on the other hand, knowing that not many years left for him to coach, eager to push Brady out so that he could prove he was the engine behind the dynasty. That is why he reached out to other teams after 2017 season.

  57. There’s nothing Brady could ever say or do to please the haters.

    Oh wait…..I forgot. If he played for their team he would instantly achieve sainthood.

    Yeah, that would do it.

  58. There are few things more entertaining that Patriot fans desperately hanging on the the hope that the ancient BB will bring them back to glory and, in the process, forgetting that TB year in and year out, outplayed the talent that was around him despite playing for pennies on the dollar so the team could bring in talent. Some people just never appreciate what they’ve lost until it’s gone. Good luck with your 8-8 and 9-7 teams until BB finally hangs up his mad, grumpy coaching shoes. How many more SB’s will TB have to win before you realize he is the real reason they won? 2? 4? It’s just priceless.

  59. I love what TB12 did for the Patriots. I admit hes the greatest ever.
    But boo hoo the coach was mean to me.
    The coach who drafted you when no one else wanted you. Who kept 4 qbs on roster your first year so you could grow into job. The coach who put you in and believed in you over the 100 million man Bledsoe.
    Boo.hoo without him you wouldn’t have ever gotten the chance to become TB12.
    Maybe Tom forgets that.
    I hope he wins 10 super bowls i love him as a player.
    Stop crying about mean old BB

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    Strange how the trainer specifically says he cannot speak for Tom but offers his own opinion and you and so many others complaining on here are going after Tom. Did you go after Mahomes when his mom was chirping during the Super Bowl? The trainer obviously has some bad blood with BB so his opinion will be one thing but don’t confuse his words for Brady’s.

  60. Allot of chatter on both sides of this issue. The reality is BB’s NFL record is 45-48 without Tom Brady. That doesn’t get anyone in the HOF except TB12.

  61. It was all Brady. Brady built the team. Brady hired the coaches. Brady set the plans for victory. It was a Brady that harassed Peyton Manning in the postseason, and Brady that picked off Russell Wilson. Remember when Brady kicked those two game winning field goals to win the SB, or when he picked off McNabb? It was Brady’s bend don’t break defense too, and Brady that oversaw free agency and drafts as the GM.

    Seriously, Brady was an important part of the team and easily the most important player but Belichick is the coach and GM. He wouldn’t have done as well without Brady, but who knows how well Brady does without him.

    I am not going to jump the gun on one season where Belichick had to take a cap hit because of Brady and ended with Newton while Brady went to a stacked TEAM with a great offense and defense.

    I don’t think this question can ever really be answered because they both probably don’t have much time left. Belichick is almost closing in on 70 and Brady is closing in on 50. I would still like to see both coach/play close to those ages and past it.

  62. It was all Brady. Brady built the team. Brady hired the coaches. Brady set the plans for victory. It was a Brady that harassed Peyton Manning in the postseason,

    ———————-

    With so much invested on defense, Pats STILL needed Brady to produce top offense (for first round bye); to deliver winning drives in big games (AFCCG and SB); to stay on field for long long time to help defense; and to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.

    Do you know how hard it is to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games? Check how often Peyton, Rodgers and Brees were able to do it, and how much talents they needed to do it. After that, you may know why other countries like China and India can’t make planes themselves and have to buy airplanes from Boeing.

  63. Brady had been a good soldier for the Patriots. BB was way ready to get JimmyG as his replacement but seemed to have been forced to trade him instead. Maybe that made BB grumpier on Brady. BB put the team first, that’s his job. Could be that things should have been handled with finesse. But it is what it is.

  64. That is how are leader is supposed to lead. No favorite just some people are more talented than others but you use everyone’s talent to their strengths. That is how it’s done

  65. With Belichick, everything is team-first. And he’s had a good amount of success with that.

    It’s no secret that Belichick banned Guerrero from Patriots’ facilities and flights. Things didn’t start out that way. But Guerrero clashed with the other training staff the Pats have and that led to his invitation being revoked.

    Guerrero is a bit of an oddball when it comes to training methods, using holistic/alternative approaches. Apparently they’ve worked for Brady (clearly something has) but I personally would not sign on to the TB12 program.

    BTW, anybody who says “it was all Brady” should consider the Brady-Manning rivalry in particular. In every single game between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, the team with the better defense won. This really is a team sport. And while it helps to have an elite QB, said QB cannot win games by himself, especially when the opponent also has an elite QB.

  66. BB put the team first, that’s his job.

    —————————–

    If BB put team first, why didn’t he take advice on drafts from his coach staff and long time QB?

    He was not so stupid that he didn’t realize his draft on offense had been terrible, was he?

  67. “Brady had been a good soldier for the Patriots. BB was way ready to get JimmyG as his replacement but seemed to have been forced to trade him instead”

    Yeah, that didn’t happen. Jimmy was traded when he had about five games left on his contract. And he wasn’t going to re-sign with the Patriots unless they gave him a chance to start. Belichick wasn’t going to start Jimmy over Brady.

    People invent all sorts of stories about the Belichick/Brady relationship. Some of these people write for outlets like the Boston Herald, and when they publish their imaginary stories, it starts to be treated as if it really happened. But there never was a 3-hour meeting between Belichick and Kraft in which Kraft “forced” Belichick to trade Jimmy and keep Brady. And Belichick never thought Jimmy was the better choice to start the team. He wanted to keep Jimmy around because he felt Jimmy could be a good NFL starter, and he also seriously doubted Brady could play at a high level well into his 40s.

    And let’s appreciate just how absurd this late career has been for Brady. No other athlete in any sport has been at the top level this far into his 40s. (Well, maybe Jack or Tiger in golf.) There have been a lot of QBs at Brady’s level over the years – Elway, Montana, Marino, Young, Aikman, Kelly, Manning…and none of them could keep it going after the age of 40. So Belichick kept thinking “Brady is great today, but it would be irresponsible to not have a plan when he falls off.” So he wanted Jimmy around as an insurance plan, but he couldn’t do that forever.

  68. If BB put team first, why didn’t he take advice on drafts from his coach staff and long time QB?

    He was not so stupid that he didn’t realize his draft on offense had been terrible, was he?

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    Do you think that’s a contradiction? He made some mistakes in the draft. That’s not the topic here. He used his best judgment at the time.

    “Putting the team first” and “making the right draft pick” aren’t the same thing. He didn’t draft Sony Michel ahead of Nick Chubb because he wanted to make the team worse. He did it because he thought Michel was the better pick (and he was clearly wrong). Ditto for N’Keal Harry.

    And the past couple of drafts, the Krafts have stepped in and said, “Um, Bill. These drafts aren’t going that well. We need to change things a little.” So Belichick is making an adjustment.

  69. “The reality is BB’s NFL record is 45-48 without Tom Brady. That doesn’t get anyone in the HOF except TB12.”

    Which is why he started Tom Brady. And coached him up from a late-round pick into the best QB in the NFL.

    I don’t understand this particular game. Brady was the player Belichick molded him into. Why should we pretend Belichick didn’t coach him?

    Also: does anybody really think the Ravens would have been worse off if they’d retained Belichick when they moved to Baltimore?

  70. Brady was the player Belichick molded him into.

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    How did Belichick coach up Brady if he didn’t even know what made offense so hard that even after 20 years, no other QB could command? (otherwise he wouldn’t have signed Cam Newton)

  71. Seriously, Brady was an important part of the team and easily the most important player but Belichick is the coach and GM. He wouldn’t have done as well without Brady, but who knows how well Brady does without him.
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    Can we all just have this mindset. Life would be much easier.

  72. Belichick doesn’t know how the offense works on the team he’s coached for 20 yrs, but williamlee does. That would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.

  73. … but who knows how well Brady does without him.

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    That is easy : Imagine Ravens, Bears, Broncos, Dophins, Seahawks, Steelers, Vikings had a QB who could produce top offense and score 24 or more in back to back playoff games without big spending, they would be SB contender.

    Then imagine Belichick had an offense like Bears or Dolphins offense, where would Pats be?
    Belichick would be nothing without a QB who could turn cheap receivers into top playmakers.

  74. Belichick doesn’t know how the offense works on the team he’s coached for 20 yrs, but williamlee does

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    Belichick didn’t know what made it hard.

    —-Bill Belichick on Mac Jones: In general, we need to play faster and react faster.

    Have you ever thought why Mac Jones has looked much better within 3 months but Cam Newton couldn’t? Is it because of coaching? So kindly stop the ridiculous “Mozart was great because of his teacher” nonsense.

  75. Nobody Buta Familyguy says:
    September 23, 2021 at 10:31 am
    I love what TB12 did for the Patriots. I admit hes the greatest ever.
    But boo hoo the coach was mean to me.
    The coach who drafted you when no one else wanted you. Who kept 4 qbs on roster your first year so you could grow into job. The coach who put you in and believed in you over the 100 million man Bledsoe.
    Boo.hoo without him you wouldn’t have ever gotten the chance to become TB12.
    Maybe Tom forgets that.
    I hope he wins 10 super bowls i love him as a player.
    Stop crying about mean old BB
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    By saying that BB didn’t evolve with coaching Brady is crying? Without BB, Tom never would’ve gotten the chance to become TB12? Tell us all how many SB appearances does BB have as a HC without Tom Brady? Enough said.

  76. Does anyone think BB even cares ? He has had great success coaching his way as all the great coaches history have done. He is not changing the way he coaches simply because a former player whines, whether it be Brady or any other player.

    Bill has told you 1,000,000 times he will do what is best for the football team and coaches to win and to build a team culture not a diva culture. As a Patriots fan I Want Bill to coach like he has for last 20 years. Players come and go but the Patriot Way and culture is here to stay for a long time.

  77. whispersd says:
    September 23, 2021 at 2:05 pm
    With Belichick, everything is team-first. And he’s had a good amount of success with that.

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    Then why did he refuse to put Malcom Butler in the game when Nick Foles was carving up BB’s defense?

  78. Brady is GOAT Belichick is GOAT. They needed each other to create a Dynasty.
    Anyone who thinks one is more important than the other does not understand football.

  79. Anyone who thinks one is more important than the other does not understand football.

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    If you think they are equally important, then you don’t know how to think with sense of logic.

    For example, check three playoff games in 2014-2015 season, Brady could have won the SB with Packers defense. Don’t bring up SB 51 and 53, other coaches would have given Brady better WR group, Brady would have better chance winning those two SB.

  80. You just treated Brady like a child by discussing his relationship with Belichick when he has kept it private.

  81. Many of you are totally missing the point. BB has the biggest EGO of anyone in the NFL, never wants to share the wins with anyone. Routinely benches players following great games to prevent anyone from being referred to as a star. Keeps players stats down so he doesn’t have too pay them (while he makes more than 99% of them) Wants all the credit, and use to refuse to pay free agents. But now its all changed. Following his losing season without TB, he suddenly demands Kraft open the vault and guarantees more than 200 million in future guarantees. Why? Because HE NEEDS to prove to the world that he can win a trophy without the best QB in history. Has to win one more while overpaying mediocre players, not caring about the future cap. ITs BB’s Way now, the Patriot way is history. LOOK AT ME, NOT TB!

  82. When Alex looks in the mirror, he sees Tom Brady. He and Senior need to zip it and let Tom handle his business – you know, like a man in his forties.

  83. Peyton Manning himself said he wished roles were reversed and he had those Belichick coached defenses Brady had.
    People who say it was all Brady are clueless. So it ended badly, big deal, get over it.
    Every great coach has had a great QB and just because Brady won a SB with that loaded roster means very little since the only thing that team was missing was a QB…and Fournette, and Brown, and Gronk…..lol

  84. People who say it was all Brady are clueless.

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    No, it is not all Brady, but it doesn’t have to be Belichick’s defense Brady must had to win SB. He could win with lot of coaches.

    Understand the logic in it so you can understand the difference between “Brady did all” and “Brady was the engine”.

  85. Peyton Manning himself said he wished roles were reversed and he had those Belichick coached defenses Brady had.

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    Then why did he use those cheap short slot receivers Brady had so that his Colts could spend a lot more on defense.

    BTW, given then he couldn’t score even 20 points when he struggled, he sure would have won nothing under Belichick.

  86. Everyone knows NE is a diva free zone, but would have ever predicted Brady turned into the biggest diva of them all?

  87. Brady is the GOAT on the field but a passive/aggressive jerk away from it. Having your father and trainer play bad cop while you are always the good cop is despicable. If you have something to say about Belichick or Kraft say it. Don’t hide behind your
    company men and daddy.

  88. Both Brady’s Dad and Alex are speaking for Tom, if you can’t see that or admit that, you’re clueless.
    If Tom wanted to silence either he would of told them to be quiet way back in April when his dad called into the Zolak and Bertrand radio show after the NFL schedule came out. Now, that was prolly dad being dad, but this now, no no, this is stuff coming from Tom through them. It’s petty and that’s for sure. Add that Alex doesn’t get to use outsider bs, PLEASE. We’re outsiders, Guerrero spends more then half his days with Tom and was around the Patriots locker room most of Tom’s career. outsider please. IT TOOK BOTH of them people. Apparently Brady has quite an ego as well, cause his camp is on the attack.

  89. wintercoates87 says:
    September 23, 2021 at 4:13 pm
    Both Brady’s Dad and Alex are speaking for Tom, if you can’t see that or admit that, you’re clueless.

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    Or perhaps they are speaking for themselves and you are clueless

  90. He can be right in his assessment and also still a quack and guy you don’t really want hanging around your team.

  91. Brady just went and won a Super Bowl WITHOUT Belicheck. It’s clear Brady is the reason Belicheck won as many as he did. Perhaps a little grace towards Tom should have been extended, is what Alex G.is implying.

  92. So, where was this Guerrero guy when Brady was a 6th round pick? That’s right. He only came around after Brady became successful. Also, all this “we” talk is so self-aggrandizing. He doesn’t disassociate himself from Brady. Pretty surreal. If I were Tom, he’d be best served to hide his wife and kids from him because this has all the makings of a cult.

  93. Without me, Bill is nothing more than that handful of seasons in Cleveland tugging on Parcells’ coattails

  94. I like Brady and Bill. But for a coach, it!’s better to move on from a player too soon than too late.

    With 9 championships, I don’t think I am going to fault Bill. It’s what he does – treats everyone as replaceable and non-special. Brady? He’s getting up there in age and wanted something different. That’s fine too.

    I think they both got what they wanted, and that’s fine. No drama necessary.

  95. Belichick coaching genius seems to disappear when Tom Brady isn’t his QB.

    234-81 with Brady
    53-68 without Brady

  96. Where does this revisionist history that Bill was a smashing success in Cleveland come from? He took over a team that had been to the playoffs five of the prior 6 seasons in 1991. He proceeded to have records of 6-10, 7-9, and 7-9 before finally getting back to the playoffs going 11-5 and winning one playoff game before losing. Arguably he had the rug pulled out from underneath him with the move to Baltimore announced early the following year, but he still coached the team to a 5-11 record and got fired. His first year with the Patriots, a team that had recently made it to the Super Bowl with the league’s highest paid QB in Drew Bledsoe, he went 5-11. Then he went 0-2 the next year looking like a last-placed team (losing to the Browns and Jets) before Brady stepped in as the starter, went 11-3 the rest of the way and won a Super Bowl. After 20 years of dominance with Brady in which they missed the playoffs together only once (in 2002, when Brady led the league in TD passes), he suddenly has a losing season again. He now has his QB of choice, and the offense looks nothing like as potent as it was with Brady at the helm (never lower than a top 10 offense) despite finally investing on that side of the ball in free agency.

    He has now had 8 full seasons as a head coach without Brady and he has a losing record. He has a single playoff appearance and a single playoff win as a head coach in that time. Brady has four playoff wins and a Super Bowl in just one season with a different coach, who never won much of anything as a head coach before Brady became his QB. So if you’re asking the question as to whether one could be successful without the other, Brady has proven in his case the answer is yes. Belichick hasn’t proven more than he can be a great defensive coordinator without Brady.

  97. BB drafted and made the 6th rd pick. This revisionist history is pretty amusing. There are either Millennials supporting Brady’s diva behaviors and don’t remember how he started out in 2001 or just disingenuous people.

    When BB chooses his own qbs, he has a wining record whether in Cleveland with eventual Pro Bowler, Testaverde, Brady, Cassel or JimmyG. The track record speaks for itself. You get 1:1 training from BB, and you succeed.

    I believe JimmyG is 24-6 as a starter in SF and BB made him, too.

    Supeb track record regardless of overall talent levels of each qb.

    All hail the master of teaching football, Bill Belichick.

  98. This guy was never once been in a meeting or a practice in New England and he feels free to criticize a HOF Coach who helped a 6th Round Draft Pick QB develop into a superstar? Why is he being given a soap box?

  99. People neglect to mention that not only is Brady coming back, but so is Gronk, and Gronk sleazed his way out and back into the NFL while still under contract with the Patriots. I like Gronk, but the way he did things bothers me. I would not give him the same welcome Brady will get.

  100. HOF Coach who helped a 6th Round Draft Pick QB develop into a superstar?

    —————————-

    Why does Mac Jones look good with only 3 months but Cam Newton still looked so bad after 12 months? Is it coaching? Stop the ridiculous “Mozart was great because of teacher” nonsense.

  101. Why does Mac Jones look good with only 3 months but Cam Newton still looked so bad after 12 months? Is it coaching? Stop the ridiculous “Mozart was great because of teacher” nonsense.

    ———

    Newton has been washed up physically for years. His shoulder is shot , he can’t throw. Carolina cut him because of that. BB was supposed to fix that with coaching?

  102. he can’t throw

    ———————-

    Read “Pats QB coach opens up about Newton’s recent struggles”, it didn’t work not because Cam couldn’t throw. IT IS THE TIME HE THREW THE BALLS.

  103. People neglect to mention that not only is Brady coming back, but so is Gronk, and Gronk sleazed his way out and back into the NFL while still under contract with the Patriots. I like Gronk, but the way he did things bothers me. I would not give him the same welcome Brady will get.

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    Belichick tried to trade Gronk to the Lions prior to his last season in NE. Belichifk showed no loyalty to Gronk so why should Gronk reciprocate. Gronk is loyal to Brady.

  104. Read “Pats QB coach opens up about Newton’s recent struggles”, it didn’t work not because Cam couldn’t throw. IT IS THE TIME HE THREW THE BALLS.

    _____

    So, you expected BB to change/fix all of Cam’s delivery problems he has had his whole life and the injury issues in less than 12 months? What?

    Like I said, the guys arm is shot. He had two surgeries on his throwing shoulder. I watched him here in Carolina and he was horrible at the end, so different from the first 6 years. Carolina moved on for a reason….Rivera hasnt reached out to him to bring him in either….why? Because hes damaged goods.

  105. So, you expected BB to change/fix all of Cam’s delivery problems

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    No, the QB OC said very clearly “There’s clearly some times that we haven’t *pulled the trigger fast enough*”. (Did you read the article?)

    So even if Cam could throw accurately, he would still not be able to operate the system, meaning, Belichick and Pats coaches had no clue at all on what made the system work when they signed Cam.

  106. As a long time Pats fan I could give exactly ZFs on how Belichick did or did not treat Brady. Brady left because he wanted to cement his legacy outside of New England and capitalize on his last contract. Full stop. Pointing to Belichick is nothing more than redirecting from those facts.

  107. ztoa says:
    September 24, 2021 at 10:07 am

    No, the QB OC said very clearly “There’s clearly some times that we haven’t *pulled the trigger fast enough*”. (Did you read the article?)

    So even if Cam could throw accurately, he would still not be able to operate the system, meaning, Belichick and Pats coaches had no clue at all on what made the system work when they signed Cam.

    ———–

    Or … they knew exactly that he was nothing more than the bridge QB needed to still field a somewhat competitive (and I use that loosely) tam until they could groom a new heir apparent.

  108. tb12gronk87 says:
    September 23, 2021 at 10:55 pm
    People neglect to mention that not only is Brady coming back, but so is Gronk, and Gronk sleazed his way out and back into the NFL while still under contract with the Patriots. I like Gronk, but the way he did things bothers me. I would not give him the same welcome Brady will get.

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    Belichick tried to trade Gronk to the Lions prior to his last season in NE. Belichifk showed no loyalty to Gronk so why should Gronk reciprocate. Gronk is loyal to Brady.
    *****************************************************************************************

    There were contract negotiations going on. Once the trade talk heated up, Gronk’s people came in to talk and The Patriots called off the trade, leaving Detroit disappointed, and Gronk got his deal restructured. The trade talks and deal negotiating happened a year before Gronk “retired” (wink wink). Once Brady was out, he suddenly got his mojo back. So no, I still feel like Gronk, while within his rights, played this thing in a less than above board way. His dabbling in Pro Wrestling told me his health wasn’t the issue, because those guys have to be in good condition, regardless of being entertainers, not wrestlers.

  109. So even if Cam could throw accurately, he would still not be able to operate the system, meaning, Belichick and Pats coaches had no clue at all on what made the system work when they signed Cam.

    ——

    Lol! Okay, so what’s your excuse for Jones playing well so far? You said above he is. Is he be coached or is just a savant line Brady?

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