Why did the Jon Gruden situation come to a head when it did?

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Jon Gruden got what he deserved, there’s no question about that. However, did he deserve to get what he got at the specific moment that he got it?

More importantly, did the Raiders deserve to have to endure the Gruden controversy during football season?

It’s a fair question. It’s an important question. The timing of the decision to alert the Raiders to the Gruden situation and, quite possibly (if not probably), to pressure the Raiders to fire Gruden or force him to quit created a serious and significant competitive issue for the Raiders and, in turn, for multiple other teams.

In hindsight, it’s appropriate to wonder whether and to what extent the situation impeded the team’s ability to prepare for and to compete with the Bears. That obviously impacted the Raiders’ ability to move from 3-1 to 4-1. It also helped the Bears move from 2-2 to 3-2; if the Bears make it into the playoffs thanks to that one extra win that could/should have been a loss, that helps them and hurts whichever team ends up as the No. 8 seed in the NFC.

At some point during an investigation that began in July 2020 and that resulted in punishment being announced on July 1, 2021, Beth Wilkinson’s team discovered the Gruden emails. So when did the Gruden emails first surface, and what happened next?

Anyone conducting a reasonable reading of the emails would believe that they required serious consideration and action, up to and including termination of employment. For how long did Wilkinson and, in turn, the league sit on them before moving early in the week of October 3 to present the Gruden emails to the Raiders?

The league has said that it became “informed of the existence of emails that raised issues beyond the scope of the investigation” during the investigation itself. Then, “over the past few months,” a group of senior NFL executives reviewed more than 650,000 emails including the Gruden emails.

Although some think that the issue first became flagged by the reporting of the email using a racist trope in reference to DeMaurice Smith on Friday, October 8, the league acknowledges that, early in the week of October 4, the senior executives who reviewed the 650,000 emails presented a summary of the review to the Commissioner. The league then decided to share the emails with the Raiders.

To be clear, the league — not the Wall Street Journal —  pulled the lawnmower cord during the week of October 4. Along the way, someone leaked the email regarding Smith to the Wall Street Journal. Even without the leak, the Raiders were getting the emails.

So why did the Raiders get emails about which the league had known for months during the regular season? If this had come to a head in, January, owner Mark Davis could have hired a new coach who would have spent the offseason preparing to move forward. If the league had waited until after the current season ended, Davis could have replaced Gruden then. Instead, the delivery of the emails to the Raiders — coupled with the making of just enough of them public — forced the team’s hand.

During a season. Let that sink in. Per a source with knowledge of the timeline, Washington owner Daniel Snyder went to the league office at some point in June to have, essentially, a hearing regarding the punishment he’d receive. Present for the hearing were the Commissioner and a small handful of owners. By the time that meeting happened, the league (we’re told) definitely was aware of the Gruden emails.

Again, why wait until October to act on the emails? Even if this had all blown up in June, Davis and the Raiders would have had time to make a hire and to get someone up to speed. The unanswered question, and it’s a critical one, is when the league first knew about the Gruden emails and why the league waited until the week of October 3 to start this process.

That’s not a defense of Gruden. It would have been wrong to let him finish the season, knowing what we now know. But it was wrong to let him even start the season, given that the league already knew.

We don’t expect to get a straight answer, or any answer for that matter, to this question. There’s really no good answer that can be provided. Still, if the league knew about these emails at or before the commencement of the usual offseason hiring process, the Raiders would have been in much better shape than they now are, scrambling to hold it together with an interim head coach and dealing with the aftermath of a tumultuous 72-hour period that started with one email being leaked and ended with Gruden walking away for good.

87 responses to “Why did the Jon Gruden situation come to a head when it did?

  1. Because the league wasn’t going to do anything about these Gruden emails from 10 years ago during a time he was not employed by any team, and neither was Mark Davis, until someone leaked them to the press and they went public.

  2. pab08 says:
    October 16, 2021 at 2:27 pm

    We all know the answer to this question. It was leaked hours before the NFLPA election.

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    I agree that the timing makes this seem like it was intended to generate sympathy for De Smith and Gruden was collateral damage. But then why didn’t it stop there?

  3. The rumor mill is churning…..that the NFL wants Mark Davis out. That this was done to sabotage the Raiders and hurt Davis financially assuming the team underperformed going forward. The Raiders lost their President, their CFO and their Controller earlier this year. The rumor is that financial problems are causing the NFL to try to replace Mark Davis. That the timing of the release as well as the target were not a coincidence, but rather part of a strategy and plan to get Davis to sell. Gruden was a pawn, the sacrifice that had to be made to get to Davis.

  4. “Who did it?” is a much more compelling question than “Why now?”.

    The real question here is “What was the motivation?”. I think it was much more than a rogue employee – this was a planned attack, likely involving certain owners and league officials.

    …and that is the reason why we will likely never know.

  5. It called game fixing … no way Raiders lose to the Bears if this reports does not come out.
    Any sports if you are not mentally prepared … you lose.

  6. Gruden got what he deserved…maybe so but when someone selectively chooses who gets what they deserve, that’s just wrong. The only person who gets what they deserve doesn’t work for the organization under investigation or the NFL? Everyone else gets off? Not right.

  7. It’s not hard to figure out why. What’s hard is figuring out which of the conspirators is the leak.

    1. The league wanted DeMaurice Smith back as the head of the union. Why? Because he’s not very good at his job. The league took advantage of the players in the last round of bargaining and they would like to do so again. Best way to see that happen is for Smith to keep his job.

    2. Before the emails, Smith was going to lose his job as head of the player’s union.

    3. After the first email leaked (the one about Smith’s physical appearance), Smith went from “Incompetent boob who cost the players money” to “The players need to stand behind our leader who was unfairly attacked by a racist coach”

    That’s why the Smith email was the sole leak at first. That’s why the follow-up was more harmful things to make the case that Gruden is a racist idiot.

    The whole point of this exercise was to ensure that D Smith would remain as the incompetent head of the union, so the league could take advantage of the players at the negotiating table.

    And now who is going to complain? Gruden? He’s branded a racist. The Raiders? They employed the racist. The players? They’re back on board with the Union head they were going to fire but didn’t out of a moment of insincere solidarity. The league? They’re the billionaire quasi-fascists who leaked the emails to begin with. Smith? He got to keep a job he was about to lose.

    The whole thing is an embarrassment.

  8. Gruden has a heck of a lawsuit should he wish to pursue, the settlement would be off the charts.

  9. It was important to the league to do whatever they could to make sure D. Smith was the guy seated across the table during negotiations on the next deal. This news was leaked the day the vote happened that re-elected him to the head of the NFLPA? And he’s trying to say he’s looking out for the players? It’s really sad when you look at what the players are missing out on because they have such poor union leadership. The owners are all billionaires. Nothing happens by chance.

  10. I’m not discounting the possibility that Mark Davis or someone in the Raiders front office leaked the emails once they figured out the NFL wasn’t going to do anything.
    Jon Gruden was owed a lot of money left on that contract and with the Raiders having a good record this year it was going to be difficult to get Gruden out of there. This has always been a cash strapped organization and getting out of Grudens contract probably saved them over 40 million

  11. I am a currently practicing attorney. In order to read 650,000 emails as part of an investigation, a small law firm like Wilkinson Walsh with less than 20 associates (who do the grunt work) would have to hire an outside firm to assist. At a rate of 250 emails per day, a team of 20 doc reviewers would take about 3 months to get through the whole stack while identifying and flagging emails responsive to the sexual harassment investigation. It is possible, but not likely, that the law firm in question did all the review work themselves. As such, the circle of people that read the emails is larger than anyone thinks. The reason that the emails came to light is because the rogue employee wanted them to. Don’t attribute mere incompetence to malevolence. The NFL did not release those emails, and I bet more are coming.

  12. I’m sure no other high profile NFL figures will be outed from the 650k+ emails subpoenaed…

  13. MortimerInMiami says:
    October 16, 2021 at 2:50 pm
    Gruden has a heck of a lawsuit should he wish to pursue, the settlement would be off the charts.

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    Please explain.

  14. You need not look farther than with the Raiders in Las Vegas. And, with legal gambling more than ever before. The NFL had possession of these emails since June. In the legal filings, Gruden’s name was likely redacted or reduced to person #1, that he used that kind of language. The outrage directed at Gruden for use of this language by the NFL, no way to think more it as manufactured.

  15. It’s not that John Gruden got what he deserved, it’s why is he the only one who has received what they deserved. Incredibly unlikely only 1 individual had damaging emails in a pool of 650,000.

    When you add in the Scheftfer and Allen middle school romance, I become even more curious what the remaining emails hold.

  16. whatinsamhill says:
    October 16, 2021 at 3:17 pm
    MortimerInMiami says:
    October 16, 2021 at 2:50 pm
    Gruden has a heck of a lawsuit should he wish to pursue, the settlement would be off the charts.

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    Please explain

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    Emails released during an investigation into the WFT are only about John Gruden. While it’s difficult to fire him for acts that he did while not employed by the NFL or a team, releasing those same emails can force him to step down giving the league both a distraction and Mark Davis not having to pay the remainder of Gruden’s contract.

  17. How about this? In what, six months, The NFL DRAFT is in Las Vegas. Roger is used to the boo’s. He ain’t heard nothing yet. Get your popcorn ready.

  18. I think the bigger question is why only those emails were “leaked”. One has to believe there are equally or more egregious emails within the 650,000 the NFL has from the WFT organization. So why have none of those been “leaked”?

  19. The timing of the first leak ensured DeMaurice Smith was re-elected by the NFLPA for all the obvious reasons.

    The rest was leaked when Gruden survived the first leak. Goodell’s ego is as big as anyone’s in football and he didn’t like what was said about him by a lowly coach. He had the ammo and he ruined Gruden for the insolence.

  20. The league has resented the Raiders for years, there was campaigning to hopefully force Mark Davis to sell the team because the league didn’t believe he could succeed. When Mark proved he could make the raiders successful the league got insulted and waited for their opportunity and so it arrived !!

  21. When you have people from backgrounds you don’t like,you shouldn’t be in position of authority over them such as coaching. Good riddance to bad rubbish Gruden.

  22. If you think Gruden is the only person with these type of views, let’s see the rest of the e mails, and responses

  23. My guess is Davis/Gruden thumbed their noses at Goodell’s request to resign before the season started.

    Fairly clear someone who works or worked (until recently) because they just made an announcement, no other team executive level people will be exposed.

    Why would they say that so confidently if that wasn’t able to be the case?

  24. I don’t understand how someone should be punished today for offensive conduct in the past.
    There are plenty of people I know who are not liberals, who don’t mistreat people at work, but would be flagged for some offense in their past.

    If you act badly today, you should be punished, but not for boorish behavior that was not illegal in the past. I think its a mistreatment of people to fire them because of things they said many years ago.

    If someone committed a crime and went to prison they may be treated better than someone who made some dumb comments in the past from an era that behavior like that was tolerated.

  25. Imo the #1 reason is due to the fact the email issue surfaced right before the vote for De Smith to continue to keep his job or not. The leaked emails on that date were specifically about De Smith and I’m sure created a strong sympathy vote for him. That leads me to believe that someone in the raiders organization (or possibly the nfl) who is in tight with De Smith leaked the info at the perfect time to affect the vote. Personally I don’t think it was a calculated move by the nfl management as a whole, but I do believe it was calculated by an individual (maybe in nfl management, maybe elsewhere) that wanted De Smith to win the vote.

    So I would be looking for who at the raiders both has ties to De Smith and either has a grudge against Gruden or somehow stands to gain by his ousting. If there is no one at the raiders who fits that description then I would look for the same thing at the nfl management level or other parties who would gain from it. Are owners who had the knowledge and are competing with the raiders above suspicion? No, I don’t think so, but I would look at who had the info in the Raiders building first personally.

  26. Imagine if we could have such a probing investigation into things more important than the NFL every once in a while too, and demand answers from those in control

  27. I’m kinda tired of people thinking that Gruden “got what he deserved” because of comments that he made in a private e-mail to a friend and former co-worker.

    I’m pretty sure that every single person in this country has said something in private, be it e-mail or conversation that would get them canceled or fired in our country today. If Gruden made the comments that he put into a private e-mail in public or said them to someone’s face, then sure, he deserved to be fired.

    We’re slowly headed toward a society like the movie Judge Dredd where they arrest you for thinking about doing something wrong.

  28. So 650,000 emails were reviewed? By my calculations, it would take 50 people, reviewing 1 email per minute, working 12 hour days with no breaks whatsoever, over 18 days to accomplish this task. Was this firm from Krypton?

  29. For those thinking Davis was aware of emails before season started, that’s just ridiculous. And Goodell leaked because the Raiders hadn’t fired him? More lunacy. All of this is to protect Dan Snyder and very likely some high profile DC politicians and of course the NFL. Jon Gruden is simply a red herring, which has been used by powerful corrupt people, since before the time of Christ.

  30. 10 years ago private emails leaked and Gruden is fried, players videos of actually doing something to someone nothing. NFL looking into something when Gruden did not work in the NFL, Not going after the leaks, not looking at was the response from Allen.. Raiders owner says ask NFL why the letting go of Gruden. Something is very fishy, if Godel is involved maybe we have the answer. 650 000 emails , private emails, ten years ago are we getting the head scratcher here. ( maybe ones persecuting should think of their private conversations nd things they have said)

  31. Everything anyone gets punished for is in the past. So, the emails “Being in the past” is not an excuse to ignore them.
    These were not private emails. They were to and from a team executive on the team executive’s company email (Allen, the then Redskins). Many people on company emails were cc’d.
    The NFL spent half of 2020 trying to support players’ efforts toward social justice. They did that because the NFL was clearly shown to be an enemy of social justice (re Kappernick). And maybe was profoundly influenced by the players very powerful “What if it was me” video.
    Any player can now ask, “What was Coach saying about us?”
    There is no way to porotecrt a racist in a large company in America (except in the White House 2017-2021)

    Gruden had to go because he said what he believed was OK and it isn’t.
    I have not heard from ESPN. He worked for them at the time. What is their take?

  32. theoriginalsurferbob says:
    October 16, 2021 at 5:10 pm
    For those thinking Davis was aware of emails before season started, that’s just ridiculous. And Goodell leaked because the Raiders hadn’t fired him? More lunacy. All of this is to protect Dan Snyder and very likely some high profile DC politicians and of course the NFL. Jon Gruden is simply a red herring, which has been used by powerful corrupt people, since before the time of Christ.

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    Look in the mirror. Talk about lunacy. Why were the emails released then?

    The NFL knew about the emails prior to the season. Do you people ever work with actual facts?

  33. MortimerInMiami says:
    October 16, 2021 at 2:50 pm
    Gruden has a heck of a lawsuit should he wish to pursue, the settlement would be off the charts.

    I wonder what claim you think Gruden has. I don’t see one. He has no privacy rights in emails he sent to Bruce Allen or anyone else except maybe his lawyer, wife or clergy. He has no defamation claims against the press that reported the emails. He made his own bed here. And bear in mind, he publicly resigned; no mention of being fired. I’m sure he was under a lot of pressure to quit, but he didn’t have to.

    And to those who think he got a raw deal, I submit that the reported series of emails (not just one) present a disgraceful portrait of someone who held racist, misogynistic, and anti-gay attitudes that directly conflict with the values that the NFL claims to hold and absolutely should hold. Is the NFL acting hypocritically here? Maybe. But it and its teams need to take positions that coincide with its stated values. Maybe some day all its owners will genuinely embrace those values.

  34. We have lost the ability to distinguish between saying offensive things and actively oppressing others. This micro-aggression garbage is cancer.

  35. I don’t understand how someone should be punished today for offensive conduct in the past.
    There are plenty of people I know who are not liberals, who don’t mistreat people at work, but would be flagged for some offense in their past.

    If you act badly today, you should be punished, but not for boorish behavior that was not illegal in the past. I think its a mistreatment of people to fire them because of things they said many years ago.

    If someone committed a crime and went to prison they may be treated better than someone who made some dumb comments in the past from an era that behavior like that was tolerated.

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    Regardless of who leaked the emails and what their motivations were, do you actually believe that the CEO (Gruden had control over roster decisions and on field activities) of this organization should have stayed in his position even though the comments occurred many years ago? Good luck addressing a locker room full of players with diverse racial backgrounds.

  36. It’s a fair question…why wait until the season was in full swing? Someone had an ax to grind against the Raiders and/or Gruden. If this thing builds enough steam the NFL will find a fall guy to take the blame for the email leaks and it will go away.

  37. MortimerInMiami says:
    October 16, 2021 at 2:50 pm
    Gruden has a heck of a lawsuit should he wish to pursue, the settlement would be off the charts.

    What exactly would be his cause of action in any lawsuit? He resigned, so there is no wrongful termination claim. There is no expectation to privacy of any communication sent over the internet, so even if he could prove the NFL (or any other entity) leaked the emails, what would his claim be?

    Please explain who you think he would sue and why there would be a massive settlement.

    (I personally believe Gruden likely negotiated a settlement with Davis to minimize the distraction on the franchise before he resigned. Too much money left on his contract for him to make the decision that fast just to walk away. A few more days, a couple weeks at the most and public pressure would have been too much for Davis not have fired Gruden and he would have been owed $70 million left on his contract. There was no reason for Gruden to rush to resign, there was however reason for Davis to want Gruden out sooner than later. Unless Gruden or Davis confirms otherwise, I will stick to my belief that Gruden secured a partial settlement on his contract.)

  38. Kind of funny, how there were dozens, in not hundreds of complaints about workplace abuse, but the guy that gets hit for it didnt even work for them. They wanted DeMaurice Smith working for the NFLPA because they can abuse him. Plain and simple.

    And no, Job Gruden did not get what he deserved. He is still a lying moron, but so are 32 owners. Freedom of speech deserves to remain free. I dont care who you hate, so long as it is not directed directly at any anyone or putting them in harms way. Suck it up buttercup. People call other people names all the time. Deal with it. Otherwise we should go around and start checking every song ever written for hate speech. Give me a break.

  39. What I find really weird … Julian Paul Assange is a prisoner for how many years for leaking emails.
    Different laws for the rich right?

  40. Alls I can think of through all of this is, how long before Gruden signs a big contract with Fox news?

  41. America is an incredibly racist country. Firing Gruden isn’t going to change it. Over and over, it’s heard that all blacks not university-educated are looking to have kids, go on welfare and join gangs. Every white writer to this forum has a bias. When someone like Gruden gets caught saying or writing something construed as racist, it gives all the other racists cover by pointing their fingers at Gruden. Saying, “I’m not like him”. America is all about their guns, racism and political differences. The N word isn’t used any more but that hasn’t changed America’s bias. When Republicans can hold hands with their black neighbors and walk together as Americans, then this BS can simply go away.

  42. Leak this and leak that – but, whatever you do, don’t leak the six-year-old inflation data and results.

  43. Maybe they were leaked BY the Raiders?

    If the big money years of the contract are ahead and Gruden hasn’t gotten the team where they want it to be, they could have leaked them so they had reason for termination

  44. Funny thatI was the first poster to mention the to mention the re-election of DeSmith as the reason why this occurred and now everyone is talking about it as they thought it up themselves. I got a lot of downvotes for that but now they are upvotes.

  45. A lot of this makes no logical sense with the pieces of the puzzle we currently possess. If Gruden and Pash were both done by the same person their worlds have little in common right now within football. If we have another target/leak occur it may shed light on what’s actually going on. At the moment I still believe Gruden might’ve been a “demonstration” of someone’s power and a warning. Don’t cross me or what I want, be a shame if what happened to Jon happened again wouldnt it?
    This is nefarious bleep

  46. Mark Davis is sitting very well financially. The move to Vegas was worth billions. Gruden is bigger than a rock start. If Gruden and Paul McCartney were both walking through a casino, Gruden would have the bigger crowd. Davis loves Gruden. He was most likely getting ready to tear up his contract and give him more money.

  47. This is the first year that that Allegiant Stadium could have fans. The NFL was doing Davis a favor by holding offas long as they could, with Snyder’s lawsuit in neighboring Arizona ticking like a time bomb and with the players’ helmets emblazoned with anti-racist sentiments on your TV.

  48. rompinonnie says:
    October 16, 2021 at 6:35 pm
    America is an incredibly racist country.
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    Really???
    Last time I checked the only people being discriminated are the anti-vaxxers.
    Name one place where any color of person cannot go.
    If I call down a white person for doing a bad job … its no big deal right?
    Now if I call down a black person for doing a bad job … I’m a racist right?

  49. Because of these dirty owners still trying to get back at Al Davis who has been gone for years now, just more shady crap throwing the Raiders way.

  50. johnnydlive says:
    October 16, 2021 at 3:10 pm
    I am a currently practicing attorney. In order to read 650,000 emails as part of an investigation, a small law firm like Wilkinson Walsh with less than 20 associates (who do the grunt work) would have to hire an outside firm to assist. At a rate of 250 emails per day, a team of 20 doc reviewers would take about 3 months to get through the whole stack while identifying and flagging emails responsive to the sexual harassment investigation. It is possible, but not likely, that the law firm in question did all the review work themselves. As such, the circle of people that read the emails is larger than anyone thinks. The reason that the emails came to light is because the rogue employee wanted them to. Don’t attribute mere incompetence to malevolence. The NFL did not release those emails, and I bet more are coming.
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    Would it be possible for a rogue employee to sell any of their findings? Perhaps to the NY Post or some tabloid. Or anyone who might benefit?

  51. raideralex99 says:
    October 16, 2021 at 7:27 pm
    rompinonnie says:
    October 16, 2021 at 6:35 pm
    America is an incredibly racist country.
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    Really???
    Last time I checked the only people being discriminated are the anti-vaxxers.
    Name one place where any color of person cannot go.
    If I call down a white person for doing a bad job … its no big deal right?
    Now if I call down a black person for doing a bad job … I’m a racist right?
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    First of all, our kids can’t go to school unless they had small pox, polio, measles vaccines, so a new world-wide epidemic needs a vaccine and we all go human-rights….?
    Those poor people who don’t understand science.. their nightmares are the worst.
    One place a black person can’t go? How about public school in an affluent area where the curriculum is as good as anywhere in America. You call out anyone doing a poor job and that’s what they get for doing a bad job.

  52. The nfl bias against the Raiders has never been more present, THATS for sure!

    Follow the money, every time. And you will get to the answer.

    The move of the team wasn’t about Oakland’s local govt. it was about moving it in time to make it worth so much that when ms Davis passes, Mark could afford the inheritance taxes. Without the move being first, he would have lost sole majority ownership. Fact.

    Again, a Davis gets one over on the league, just like AL. Congrats to Mark, but he certainly now knows how his dad felt so many times before!

    The bias still lives…..

  53. rompinonnie says:
    October 16, 2021 at 6:35 pm
    America is an incredibly racist country. Firing Gruden isn’t going to change it. Over and over, it’s heard that all blacks not university-educated are looking to have kids, go on welfare and join gangs. Every white writer to this forum has a bias. When someone like Gruden gets caught saying or writing something construed as racist, it gives all the other racists cover by pointing their fingers at Gruden. Saying, “I’m not like him”. America is all about their guns, racism and political differences. The N word isn’t used any more but that hasn’t changed America’s bias. When Republicans can hold hands with their black neighbors and walk together as Americans, then this BS can simply go away.

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    Ma Republican ended slavery….the Democrats seceded from the Union. The Republicans passed Civil Rights legislation. The Democrats created Jim Crow and the KKk. Republicans want blacks to succeed on their own…..Democrats just want to purchase their votes and keep them dependent.

    Educate yourself

  54. If I may say, readers of this site should not take for granted the journalistic insight that Mike Florio is sharing in this matter. This is perhaps only the tip of the iceberg one of many stories the NFL would prefer to go away. And if they won’t go away, the NFL wants to at least control the narrative. I have found these articles immensely informative and they raise important legal and moral questions about one of the most influential American corporations (the NFL). It is clear that there was a motive in the timing of this leak. And there was an understanding of how the media would run with it and how it would land in the public eye. But why? Is the emotional content of Gruden’s 2011 emails distracting us from another story – less emotional, but more damaging from an ethical point of view? From a monetary point of view? I hope these articles will continue and be part of the pressure mounting to expose any corruption going on at the highest levels of all involved.

  55. It wasn’t good what Gruden said and I don’t condone it
    But we’ve been making fun of how Gruden looks for 20+ years and nobody minds

  56. I just want to know how much $$$ the Raiders had to pay Gruden to walk… There is no way he willingly walked away from $60M+ and good luck finding a court that would let the Raiders fire Gruden for cause for something he did before he was hired as coach. No contract would allow that.
    Gruden deserved to lose his job, but there is no way he walked away from that much $$$ willingly.

  57. Congratulations Florio on tipping over the right Rock.
    However, while you were fixated on the reptile that slithered from under you completely missed the creepy crawlies that scattered away.
    The real story remains with the insects that want to remain anonymous that are the real problem

  58. Sending a work email with any kind of incriminating words is pretty crazy. With that said everyone alive has said something that could make them out to look like a terrible persob at some point in their lives.

  59. It was the perfect distraction for Urban Meyer, that story went away quickly when the Gruden story came out.

  60. C’mon, you know the answer- Andy Reid needed to cover his ass from a crappy start for the Chiefs, so he had to take down a rival coach to make him look better. =D

  61. wonderboy says:
    October 16, 2021 at 4:20 pm
    I don’t understand how someone should be punished today for offensive conduct in the past.
    There are plenty of people I know who are not liberals, who don’t mistreat people at work, but would be flagged for some offense in their past.
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    Eventually “Historical Empathy” needs to come into play.

    If you act badly today, you should be punished, but not for boorish behavior that was not illegal in the past. I think its a mistreatment of people to fire them because of things they said many years ago.

    If someone committed a crime and went to prison they may be treated better than someone who made some dumb comments in the past from an era that behavior like that was tolerated.

  62. wonderboy says:
    October 16, 2021 at 4:20 pm
    I don’t understand how someone should be punished today for offensive conduct in the past.
    There are plenty of people I know who are not liberals, who don’t mistreat people at work, but would be flagged for some offense in their past.

    If you act badly today, you should be punished, but not for boorish behavior that was not illegal in the past. I think its a mistreatment of people to fire them because of things they said many years ago.

    If someone committed a crime and went to prison they may be treated better than someone who made some dumb comments in the past from an era that behavior like that was tolerated.

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    Eventually “Historical Empathy” needs to come into play.

  63. Jon Gruden got what he deserved, there’s no question.. I wonder would he still be coaching if he was accused of sexually assaulting 20 woman??

  64. nhpats2011 says:
    October 16, 2021 at 8:49 pm
    rompinonnie says:
    October 16, 2021 at 6:35 pm
    America is an incredibly racist country. Firing Gruden isn’t going to change it. Over and over, it’s heard that all blacks not university-educated are looking to have kids, go on welfare and join gangs. Every white writer to this forum has a bias. When someone like Gruden gets caught saying or writing something construed as racist, it gives all the other racists cover by pointing their fingers at Gruden. Saying, “I’m not like him”. America is all about their guns, racism and political differences. The N word isn’t used any more but that hasn’t changed America’s bias. When Republicans can hold hands with their black neighbors and walk together as Americans, then this BS can simply go away.

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    Ma Republican ended slavery….the Democrats seceded from the Union. The Republicans passed Civil Rights legislation. The Democrats created Jim Crow and the KKk. Republicans want blacks to succeed on their own…..Democrats just want to purchase their votes and keep them dependent.

    Educate yourself

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    There was this event during The Great Depression called political realignment.

    Yes Strom Thurmond did read Oliver Twist, was a Dixie-crat and had a hidden child with an African American, but Lyndon Johnson was not a Republican. He was JFK’s vice president and they were both Democrats.

    Educate yourself.

  65. Why is it funny if Clint Eastwood says these types of things in a movie… but not when someone does in real life? He called a dude a drunken Irish goon, many insults about Asian people, I believe there was an Italian one. He was called a polack….
    I understand it’s a movie, but there are real people who live and talk this way. Let’s quit getting so upset about people’s choice of words. Is it slander? Shoot, I hear terrible stuff from the music these young guys listen to every week. Much, much worse than what gruden said. I’ve been called worse things. This is insanity, world full of cream puffs. Oh woops… hope I didn’t offend anyone.

  66. It is not lost on the fans of the other NFC North fans that the league again threw a bone to the biggest market (by far) team in the division by dropping the Gruden-gate bombs on the week leading up to the Raiders/Bears game.

  67. How information is obtained matters. This isn’t national security, and leaking of information to damage figures ought to be strictly prohibited. In my view–which I know is an unpopular one–Gruden should be allowed to remain as coach in spite of his views if they came to light via someone leaking them. We have expectations of privacy in all sorts of things, including our medical records, and saying ‘well, they’re public now’ just doesn’t cut it. There are other competing principles which need to be adhered to also in our changing society, and privacy and fair handling of data is one of them.

  68. It came to a head because the NFL has Skin issues . They had to pop someone to clear up their complexion.

  69. Because someone in the NFL SWAMP wanted him gone, it’s as simple as that. The SWAMP is DEEP.

  70. Not trying to defend Gruden but would be interesting to learn how the NFL got all 650,000 e-mails. Although folks might think otherwise the NFL does not have police powers of investigation as do the federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies nor is this even a criminal matter. I guess we all need to learn something about using electronic devices owned by a 3d party.

    Would be shocked if the real back story for this whole episode comes out within the next 5 years but eventually it will seep to the surface.

  71. bobbyb4567 says:
    October 16, 2021 at 10:44 pm
    How information is obtained matters. This isn’t national security, and leaking of information to damage figures ought to be strictly prohibited. In my view–which I know is an unpopular one–Gruden should be allowed to remain as coach in spite of his views if they came to light via someone leaking them. We have expectations of privacy in all sorts of things, including our medical records, and saying ‘well, they’re public now’ just doesn’t cut it. There are other competing principles which need to be adhered to also in our changing society, and privacy and fair handling of data is one of them.

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    I agree. Gruden didn’t break any laws. Whoever leaked the information did. This is not how a civilized society works, and we should all be demanding accountability for whoever broke the law. Otherwise, they should change the laws. Who gets to decide which laws get enforced, and which laws get ignored? That’s not al all how it’s supposed to work. This is insane, and we’re all acting like it’s cool.

  72. SORRY. All of this misses what all the insiders think. The release of the info may have been timed to allow Nagy to win a game for the Bears at this point. What’s worse than anything Grudin did for the business of pro football is for there evidence of the incompetence of the Chicago Bears’ coach. At this point, the league management may be worried about the Bears being sued by not one or two, but four quarterbacks. Fields, Trubisky, Foles and Dalton may have been building a compelling case that Nagy has ruined four careers that would have otherwise been worth a lot of money. The NFL may be looking to protect the Bears from this new kind of litigation. They may want Nagy to win some games so it doesn’t look so bad in court.

  73. charliecharger says:
    October 17, 2021 at 10:43 am
    bobbyb4567 says:
    October 16, 2021 at 10:44 pm
    How information is obtained matters. This isn’t national security, and leaking of information to damage figures ought to be strictly prohibited. In my view–which I know is an unpopular one–Gruden should be allowed to remain as coach in spite of his views if they came to light via someone leaking them. We have expectations of privacy in all sorts of things, including our medical records, and saying ‘well, they’re public now’ just doesn’t cut it. There are other competing principles which need to be adhered to also in our changing society, and privacy and fair handling of data is one of them.

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    I agree. Gruden didn’t break any laws. Whoever leaked the information did. This is not how a civilized society works, and we should all be demanding accountability for whoever broke the law. Otherwise, they should change the laws. Who gets to decide which laws get enforced, and which laws get ignored? That’s not al all how it’s supposed to work. This is insane, and we’re all acting like it’s cool.

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    I think we all know what’s going on here, and there is nothing that any of us regular people can do about it. The NFL is as corrupt as anything else.

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