Expansion to 40 teams isn’t as crazy as it sounds

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If/when the NFL offers St. Louis an expansion team in an effort to resolve the Rams relocation litigation, the league wouldn’t move to an odd number of teams. The league would add a second team, if it adds a first one.

Which gives rise to a bigger question. How many more teams could the NFL eventually add?

Regardless of whether the league successfully expands the regular season to 18 games in order to increase inventory for betting purposes (it wants to do it; the question is when it can persuade the NFL Payers Association to do it), adding teams adds inventory, too. With more and more young, capable quarterbacks entering the NFL, it’s not crazy to think that the talent pool from college football can support 34, 36, 38, or even 40 teams.

Yes, 40 teams. If the expansion process from 32 begins, 40 becomes the natural ending point. That would result in eight divisions of five teams each. And it would make sense at that point to have 16 playoff teams.

There could even be a preliminary round that trims a field of 20 teams to 16, with six teams in each conference getting a bye and four others playing in a new wild-card round, locking in a field of eight teams per conference.

So where would the teams be headquartered? Obviously, St. Louis. London, which has two NFL-ready stadiums, would have two (like L.A.). And then it would be time to find five other domestic markets.

Making that task somewhat easier would be the potential emergence of a trend toward smaller stadiums, especially in cities that would never be in the Super Bowl mix. A venue in the range of 40,000 to 50,000 could be nearly as profitable as a larger stadium with an extra 20,000 upper-deck, general-admission seats. Smaller stadiums would be cheaper to build, and easier to fill in a smaller market.

As legal sports wagering spreads, the cash spent by the in-stadium crowd matters less than the revenue from, for example, live in-game wagering via real-time broadcasting of the games with no latency. (It’s coming.) At that point, what matters is how the game is televised, not where the game is played.

The conversations about possibly growing to 40 teams already are happening, at the highest levels of the league. It will take time to get there, but in time it will happen. The money will make it so.

189 responses to “Expansion to 40 teams isn’t as crazy as it sounds

  1. Mathematically this makes sense. Watching the games this year with several top QBs out shows why it is a terrible idea.

    There are only 12-18 guys that can play QB at the top level in any given year. You can’t have a league where more than 50% of the teams have a crap QB. It will be unwatchable.

    This is how you kill the golden goose.

  2. I’d rather not see more teams. I’m certainly not convinced that the talent pool can support that. Forget quarterbacks. There aren’t enough punters, kickers, or NFL-quality offensive linemen.

  3. 32 teams is already too much. The odds of winning a SuperBowl are now 1 in 32, each year, so the average will be one SB win every 32 years. With 40 teams, that will be one in every 40 years.

    Fans will go entire lifetimes not seeing their team win a Super Bowl. Even with 32 teams, we still have 12 teams that never won a Super Bowl.

  4. That’s about an awful idea as it gets for the NFL.

    There aren’t enough quality / high end QBs and other players for 32 teams and you want to go to 40? That’s insane.

    What we’ll get is a dozen teams as bad as Jacksonville, Jets, Texans and the Lions. The product will be so watered down as to become an utter and total joke with all those punching bags out there.

    And the good teams will have fewer good players, the fact of which will be showcased in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

    Terrible terrible terrible!!!!!!!!!

  5. Horrible idea. I hate the 17 week schedule. Just water it down even more. 40 teams is a ridiculous proposition.

  6. naes brings up a good point regarding how many NFL quality QB are actually out there.
    That said, I still love the idea of expanding the league.

    Ever since they started this silly way of having teams go to London (not making everyone go equally), its been clear they’re going to expand into this market. I’ve been a proponent of embracing it fully, if they embrace it, by having a whole division of teams be based in the EU (and place silly to have left the EU)

    I think it should be 2-3 in the UK
    1-2 in Germany
    1-2 Elsewhere in EU

    Back in North America, they need to have:
    2-3 in Canada
    1 in Mexico
    1-2 in Brazil

    The question would be though, keep it 8 divisions w/ 5 each? Or, add to new divisions and keep 4 in each?

  7. I suspect the NFL would become more rush heavy. The talent pool will be really diluted if you add 8 more teams. Does the draft move to 5 rounds? Doesn’t seem plausible. I can see them expanding by 2 more for sure. They are in a big mess in St. Louis, and I hope they put the screws to them.

  8. There’s only so much talent available, with 8 new teams basically every team will be mediocre at best.

  9. QB play will be balanced out with overall less talented defenses. 8 new teams with each having 53 roster spots is another 424 players in the league. This is not including practice squad players that eventually get called up mid season to replace injured players.

  10. Why on earth would the NFL go back to a city (St Louis) that has shown it is unable or unwilling to support a team?

  11. This is the dumbest idea yet. the league is already diluted. With 40 teams all you will get is XFL quality Football.

  12. My Lions already have the 40th best QB in the league so I support the rest of the league getting watered down to our level! Lol

  13. commentsareforclosers says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:47 pm
    Why on earth would the NFL go back to a city (St Louis) that has shown it is unable or unwilling to support a team?

    I think the city has supported their football teams just fine. The owners, though, have a fit that they aren’t able to jam their fists all the way into the city’s coffers.

  14. If I was a player, I’d have issues being paid by a Canadian team for 8-9 games. Tax wise, that’s not a nothing difference compared to a player in TX, LV or FL. Will they have a higher salary cap in Canada to offset?

  15. Other 5 cities-
    Another Chicago team with a new shared stadium for the Bears.
    San Antonio
    Austin
    San Diego
    Portland

    New Divisions-

    AFC North
    Pittsburgh
    Cincinnati
    Cleveland
    Baltimore
    New Chicago

    AFC East
    Buffalo
    Miami
    AFC London
    New York Jets
    New England

    AFC South
    Houston
    Tennessee
    New Austin
    Indianapolis
    Jacksonville

    AFC West
    Chargers
    New San Diego
    Las Vegas
    Kansas City
    Denver

    NFC North
    Green Bay
    Minnesota
    Chicago
    Detroit
    New St Louis

    NFC East
    dallas
    new york
    Washington
    Philly
    NFC London

    NFC South
    New Orleans
    Atlanta
    Tampa Bay
    Carolina
    New San Antonio

    NFC West
    La Rams
    Seattle
    New Portland
    San Francisco
    Arizona

  16. A major league and a minor league system would probably work better for the talent aspect. You could still bet on any of them, in game or not…!!!

  17. Yeah, go ahead NFL, kill your league.
    Talk about how terrible the product would be.
    There aren’t enough high talent caliber players now, let alone high character players.
    There are more then a few players that aren’t in the NFL now and like to hear it or not, it’s because their issues outweigh their talent. You add more teams and suddenly you have to welcome more issues to your league. NASCAR used to be the number one spectator sport until they made so many changes they started losing fans such as myself.
    If it weren’t for fantasy football, there would be more then a few that wouldn’t watch the NFL now. That’s fact whether anyone wants to hear it or not.
    The NFL is fine with 32 teams, don’t turn it into the NBA please.

  18. Time to invade Canada! 9 teams and stadiums already in place. Canadians will welcome the NFL marauders with open arms.

  19. “Why on earth would the NFL go back to a city (St Louis) that has shown it is unable or unwilling to support a team?”

    St Louis was quite able to support a team. They just wouldn’t pay for a billion dollar palace for the owner in a massive grift of welfare for a billionaire.

  20. Hard pass. It makes no sense considering how bad the QB situation is for so many teams without adding eight more Sam Darnolds.

  21. Good luck finding eight more billionaires that want to invest more on planet Earth rather than figuring out a way to go live on another planet.

  22. I love the game, I love the players, I HATE the LEAGUE.

    Not that my opinion matters to them or anyone else but watering down an already watered down product is going to keep alienating people.

    I’d rather see teams get contracted.

  23. I can see 40 teams but i wonder where they will find 8 more starting quarterbacks. we can’t keep the 32 we have on the field for the entire season

  24. Much happier about expansion than I was extending the season. 40 teams is inevitable.

    Revenue growth in the long term is going to be from international expansion. It’s in the NFL’s interest to have a team in London, one in Germany, probably one in Canada. One day one in Japan. Arguably Mexico City.

    Sure there are all sorts of logistics challenges but there aren’t many more mega revenue options left on the table.

  25. When the Browns play the Lions in the Super Bowl I’ll be convinced there is enough talent to expand to 40 teams.

  26. Won’t be for a long time and there isn’t 7 more TV markets to expand into. Will have to go over seas. Toronto, Mexico City and Germany could be options. Don’t need 6 more Jacksonvilles who can’t draw flies.

  27. A multi-billionaire should expend billions of her/his own money to build a stadium all for the “privilege” of locating it in St Louis. Nonsensical on every level.

  28. We’re only a few years out from the NFL acknowledging they were doing more harm than good with terrible Thursday night matchups. Watering down the league and showing us more of it does not sound like a prudent move.

    The smaller stadium idea has legs though. Would be quite the coincidence for those to come into style when the well of public money is drying up…

  29. I don’t mind 36 teams league with 18 teams per conference in 3 divisions with 6 teams. We have too many damn divisions.

  30. Canada deserves at least one team, naturally in Toronto in the same division with Buffalo. And if second Canadian team available, it would make sense in Vancouver in the same division with Seattle.

  31. I know you’ve explored what markets should get NFL teams in the future already, but it would be super interesting to see what markets you think NOW should get a new NFL team.

    My opinion:

    London x2
    Chicago
    St. Louis
    San Antonio
    Hartford
    Omaha
    San Diego

    Chicago likely would go AFC North
    Hartford would go AFC East
    London 1 would go AFC South
    San Antonio would go AFC West

    London 2 would go NFC East
    St Louis would go NFC North
    San Diego would go NFC West
    Omaha would go NFC South

  32. I’d rather see a real minor league/G league type deal where talent can develop. Same game as the majors, but lower level competition. Playing in the offseason so it’s easy to pay attention to and people could have fantasy leagues for it. Sacramento, Portland, Omaha, there are plenty of cities for it!

  33. For a league that is relying on betting to make it’s money they should first think about full time officials. The fix is in on most of these games, the league prefers to call it parity. penalties and crews have more impact on sundays than does the salary cap.

  34. I’d rather see fewer teams and more cities. Like Green Bay plays some in Milwaukee and some in Lambeau. Why not have teams that have a “home field” in 2 different cities and play half their games in each?

  35. How about a Division one and two and relegate the bottom 2 from Division 1 down and vice versa? More competitive games if top teams don’t play the Jets, Jags, etc

  36. It might not be hard to find 8 markets that could support the 40-team league, but you’d also need 4 more crews of refs. Think you’re hitting the bottom of the barrel now?

  37. And then of course they’ll want to have 20 game seasons. Rosters are already being decimated or worse. Super Bowl then will be the equivalent of Iowa State vs. BYU for the College National Championship now.

  38. Scarcity is part of what makes an NFL franchise so valuable. Look what happens when the Fed prints money.

    MLB, NHL and NBA (including the WNBA) have only gone downhill since expansion.

    The NFL ought to tread very carefully in any attempt to create more revenue through expansion teams.

  39. Expansion isn’t just about the players. Do they have 40 competent head coaches? Do they have an extra 4 crews of officials that are acceptable? Front offices, scouting departments, etc all get diluted. Going to 34 maybe be unavoidable if St. Louis gets a franchise (still not sure why that would happen but whatever). Anything more than that is a selfish cash grab, and the ones that will suffer are the ones that watch (or choose not to watch) an inferior product: the fans.

    Also, while a minor league system seems like a good idea, they already have one- college football. And they don’t pay a dime for it. Seems unlikely that would change.

  40. Fargo Argonauts
    Hoboken Dolls
    Portland Beardmen
    St. Louis Carousels
    Nebraska Flatearthers
    Albuquerque Quirkys
    Boseman Flapjacks
    Austin Powers

    Humbly submitted.

  41. Someone please name 8 current backup QBs that you would want to be your team’s starting QB.

  42. 36 teams seems more reasonable. 3 divisions in each conference, 6 teams per division, 10 divisional games per year. Add Toronto and Montreal into the AFC East. Great hockey rivalries extended to football.

  43. Alternatively to just adding teams to the 8 divisions that already exist, would be a reorganization of the divisions to better regional options. With the new teams being: London x2, Chicago, St. Louis, San Antonio, Hartford, Omaha, & San Diego you could create 8 new divisions of 5 teams each.

    8 games in division, 5 games in other conference division (rotating), 3 rivalry games

    AFC Great Lakes: Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, New Chicago, Green Bay
    AFC River: Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Minnesota, Tennessee
    AFC Atlantic: New England, Hartford, London 1, Baltimore, NY Jets
    AFC Pacific: San Diego, LA Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers, LA Rams

    NFC Plains: Old Chicago, Omaha, Denver, Kansas City, Indianapolis
    NFC Atlantic: London 2, NY Giants, Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Washington
    NFC Gulf: Tampa Bay, Houston, Miami, New Orleans, Atlanta
    NFC Desert: Arizona, Las Vegas, LA Rams, San Antonio, Dallas

  44. if they move to canada, go to vancouver. i dont need to have only a garbage toronto team on tv every sunday. I like the 4 1pm games and 2 4pm games i get now on regular cable. dont need that messed up by a local team that will blackout every other market.

  45. ” The odds of winning a SuperBowl are now 1 in 32″.

    Incorrect. The Jets make the odds better for everyone else.

  46. stevelikesthesteelers says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:53 pm
    Other 5 cities-
    Another Chicago team with a new shared stadium for the Bears.
    San Antonio
    Austin
    San Diego
    Portland

    New Divisions-

    AFC North
    Pittsburgh
    Cincinnati
    Cleveland
    Baltimore
    New Chicago

    AFC East
    Buffalo
    Miami
    AFC London
    New York Jets
    New England

    AFC South
    Houston
    Tennessee
    New Austin
    Indianapolis
    Jacksonville

    AFC West
    Chargers
    New San Diego
    Las Vegas
    Kansas City
    Denver

    NFC North
    Green Bay
    Minnesota
    Chicago
    Detroit
    New St Louis

    NFC East
    dallas
    new york
    Washington
    Philly
    NFC London

    NFC South
    New Orleans
    Atlanta
    Tampa Bay
    Carolina
    New San Antonio

    NFC West
    La Rams
    Seattle
    New Portland
    San Francisco
    Arizona

    —– There is NO way the NFL would do Austin and San Antonio. They are right next door to each other. Also stop saying Chicago second team. Chicago metro is losing people population wise and Houston is going to pass Chicago for 3rd largest city in the USA in next 2-3 years.

  47. Sure I’ll give it a shot…..

    No London expansion. Every week there would be a game played in London.

    AFC North
    Baltimore
    Cincinnati
    Cleveland
    Pittsburgh
    *Chicago

    AFC East
    Buffalo
    Miami
    New England
    New York Jets
    Jacksonville

    AFC South
    Houston
    Indianapolis
    Tennessee
    *San Antonio
    *Mexico City

    AFC West
    Denver
    Kansas City
    LA Chargers
    Las Vegas
    *San Diego

    NFC North
    Chicago
    Detroit
    Green Bay
    Minnesota
    *St. Louis

    NFC East
    Dallas
    New York
    Philadelphia
    Washington
    *Austin

    NFC South
    Atlanta
    Carolina
    New Orleans
    Tampa Bay
    *Orlando

    NFC West
    Arizona
    LA Rams
    Seattle
    San Francisco
    *Portland

  48. It already feels like we have 10 teams too many. I favor contraction while expanding game day rosters to maximize on field talent levels. Start by taking all the teams sharing stadiums and goosh them together.

  49. naes says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:37 pm
    Mathematically this makes sense. Watching the games this year with several top QBs out shows why it is a terrible idea.

    There are only 12-18 guys that can play QB at the top level in any given year. You can’t have a league where more than 50% of the teams have a crap QB. It will be unwatchable.

    This is how you kill the golden goose.
    ———————————-
    Expanding would also dilute the defenses and special teams, so the crap QBs probably wouldn’t be a noticeable.

  50. We need more teams. Expanding would diminish the monopolistic power each team has in their respective city, and would give the public a better position to negotiate from when it comes to stadium financing.

  51. That would also mean more inexperienced referees to go with the bad ones now. Nah, keep like it is as I can barely stomach the ones now.

  52. It’s a terrible idea, so it’s going to happen.

    However, I wonder what Mark Cuban thinks…

  53. The conservative nature of the comments on this site are hilarious. I’m sure your grandfathers made the same “keep it the same” comments 50 years ago when there were 20 teams and 200 yards was a good passing day. The NFL has done nothing but add teams and games and the product is way better today than it ever was. It’s delusional to think that it’s perfect at any given moment.

  54. S. M. (Smacks) says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:48 pm
    We’ll take the Dubuque Scarecrows to fill out the NFC North.

    ———-

    I believe they were one of the teams the pre-SB Packers beat to claim a few of their pre-SB “championships!

  55. What BS is this?!? As recently as 2 years ago this site complained that there weren’t 32 quality starting QB’s and now magically there are going to be 40… NOT!

  56. All 8 expansion teams would start with the same number of Lombardi trophies as the Vikings.

  57. I hope I’m either dead or so demented that I don’t know what’s going on by then. It would be unwatchable.

  58. There are like 20 serviceable Qbs as it is..and now you’re talking 40 teams? The NFL will eventually die of greed.

  59. They can’t even field 32 competitive teams or 16 competent officiating crews. How on earth are they going to get to 40 teams and 20 officiating crews without greatly reducing the product?

  60. The premise is flawed. Having more games doesn’t make for more betting. Having more windows does. If you have 4 more games Sunday at 1 pm, I don’t bet more. I just have more options for what I bet on. The key is more windows, such as the Sunday morning London games.

  61. The counterargument is that every time you add another team, each team’s slice of the pie gets smaller. Adding more teams doesn’t really increase national TV money outside of generating more interest in that market. Adding more teams isn’t going to increase gambling revenue, it would just be spread out amongst more games.

  62. The NFL has changed the rules to benefit passing offenses over the last decade-plus in hopes of making games more exciting. A big problem with that is now teams can’t be competitive without a top quarterback.

    It’s hard to envision such a big expansion working out without a rulebook overhaul that makes it more possible to be legitimately competitive with different team builds, such as good defense and strong running games.

  63. The playoff structure would end up like the NHL. Eventually the wild card rounds will become 2 out of 3. A 40 team league would give more total fans, but dilute some team’s strong following.

    If there’s a major expansion like this, expect some teams to be shifted out of their division and including into the other conference.

    With the number of games increasing, the roster size needs to increase. Players will need a rest & recover week, even when the team has a game. That’s likely to be a contract requirement with the NFLPA. But resting players because of an expanded schedule will also dilute the game.

    The tv broadcast deals will be nuts. Didn’t Mark Cuban say, “Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.”

  64. Just what we need, more thrilling match-ups every week that are the equivalent of a Jets vs. Lions game.

  65. Morons.
    All it did was thin the talent pool and thus the product quality in the NHL (if not the NBA as well).

  66. I would almost do anything to get my old Browns back and to get a team that is not discriminated against by the officiating or NFL.

  67. Aside from all the obvious problems regarding having good enough players, coaches, GM’s n officiating crews going forward not to mention expanding internationally and overseas …. but folks for the owners the name of the game is money and greed as the usual n low hanging fruit of available monies dry up as just imagine a proven multi referee or official betting scandal as can’t knock the pats a first round pick for that … then the big bucks will come from expansion and frankly the owners won’t really care from where as long as we can go ka-ching while the fans are stuck with some horrid QB or head coach dingaling.

  68. Austin and San Antonio keeps coming up.
    Look at a map before you start guessing.
    I love the idea of a minor league, because the number of college football teams is going to shrink drastically.

  69. Trust No One says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:23 pm
    Someone please name 8 current backup QBs that you would want to be your team’s starting QB.

    _________________________________________

    Just because it seems like a fun exercise, I think these guys would be competitive and/or fun to watch:

    Trubisky
    Brissett
    Rush
    Minshew
    Keenum
    Tyrod Taylor
    Lock
    Mariota
    Chase Daniel
    Foles
    PJ Walker
    Kaepernick (FA)
    Tebow (FA)

  70. LOL where are all of these young and capable quarterbacks coming into the league? My team will take a couple

  71. With all of these new NFL locations being thrown around, an obvious one is missing:
    The State of Alabama.
    This football-crazed state has more than enough population to support a team in Birmingham or Mobile. It certainly makes more sense than-
    Chicago (already has the founding franchise)
    Omaha (have you been there? Not big enough)
    Portland (totally incompatible with the local culture)
    Austin/San Antonio (over Jerry Jones’ grave)
    San Diego/St. Louis (the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result)
    Brazil (not a chance)

  72. Since we are going to pay college players why not. Let the big time college teams become university owned NFL teams. Some could be owned by the college, some publically owned like Green Bay, some owned by the college and the city they’re in. A college undergraduate team could be a farm team for the Pro team.

  73. It raises the question – is this the sport that is naturally too self-limiting in terms of how much of the right kind of talent is available?

    Basketball has a handful of elite players and a sea of capable ones that can fill out as many teams as you like. Same seems to be the case with baseball, soccer, etc.

    But football seems to drop off so steeply after about half to 2/3 of the existing league. And the amazing young QBs that have come into the league in recent years don’t seem to be filling out the league as much as replacing what was there.

    There are a handful of greats in each position, and they’re scattered across the league. There don’t seem to be that many greats available, period, doubly so at QB.

    Maybe this league just can’t be expanded in a quality way. As some have suggested, based on quality it should probably contract.

  74. Salary cap / 32 or Salary cap / 40? More revenue yes, but a lot more players getting a piece of the pie. I don’t see players wanting this many teams. The argument about quality of the talent pool is solid. Fewer boys are playing football now and I see that trend continuing. Who would want their child to sacrifice their physical and mental health for less? not me.

  75. Let’s worry about the officiating problems that exists for the current 32 teams in the league before adding that headache to 8 more clubs.

  76. “ Good luck finding eight more billionaires that want to invest more on planet Earth rather than figuring out a way to go live on another planet.”

    You’re right! That’s why I love the idea of the NFL financing our new Stadium!

    Love always!

    St Louis Stallions

  77. 40 teams is definitely a possibility, as the NFL is doing everything in it’s greedy power to destroy itself.

  78. All these comments and no one mentioned the fact that the players would all have to be willing to move and live in all these various places around the world. Not everyone wants to move all over the world.

    As others have mentioned, the rosters would be diluted, which would actually make worse players start to look better again.

    Then again, they are going to do whatever they can to get as much money as possible. They can’t hire full time refs, but they will add games and teams.

    Owners hold cities hostage over stadiums. It’s truly sad. The average fan probably can’t even afford to take their family to a game.

  79. All the argument against this idea presented in the above posts make all the sense in the world. Which is why the NFL will do the opposite (along with other sensible ideas the NFL refuses to adopt): going with only full-time officials, increasing roster sizes, having a Sky Judge to overturn ALL categories of missed calls, eliminating the eye test for where a punt went out of bounds, putting a microchip in the football and eliminating the first down chains (and eliminating laughably bad spots by the officials, and missed TD calls). Just to name a few

  80. mooncussers says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:23 pm
    36 teams seems more reasonable. 3 divisions in each conference, 6 teams per division, 10 divisional games per year. Add Toronto and Montreal into the AFC East. Great hockey rivalries extended to football.

    ———————————————————————

    Add Edmonton and Calgary, and replicate another great NHL rivalry (the Battle of Alberta).

  81. Please stop already with the London carrot. That’s a logistical nightmare in the making. Games here or there overseas… okay, but an entire season? Toronto makes more sense for the first international expansion team

  82. 8 more teams huh? Let me give it a crack

    Hawaiian Paradise
    San Antonio Bulls
    Birmingham Stallions
    San Diego Surf
    Nebraska Americans
    St.Louis Phoenix
    Oregon Fog
    Albuquerque Rattler’s

  83. San Antonio
    Austin
    San Diego
    Portland
    st Louis
    Toronto
    Raleigh Durham
    Orlando
    OKC?

    Where lese would you like to see a team?

  84. The shift from shared revenues vs stadium revenues happened a long time ago. A team might make $80M gross EBITDA on in stadium sales and tickets, shared revenues are $300M plus per team and rapidly climbing.

  85. With all of these new NFL locations being thrown around, an obvious one is missing:
    The State of Alabama.
    This football-crazed state has more than enough population to support a team in Birmingham or Mobile. It certainly makes more sense than-
    Chicago (already has the founding franchise)
    Omaha (have you been there? Not big enough)
    Portland (totally incompatible with the local culture)
    Austin/San Antonio (over Jerry Jones’ grave)
    San Diego/St. Louis (the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result)
    Brazil (not a chance)

    Omaha is just at big as Birmingham, population wise.

    A sleeper is OKC, they could play in Norman right away, while a stadium is being built, it is only 20 minutes away.

  86. dfweditor says:
    November 16, 2021 at 4:23 pm
    A better idea would be to create a viable NFL feeder league.
    —————————————
    I hear what you’re saying but 8 new NFL teams playing 18 games each would bring a lot more money in than 8 feeder league teams playing 12 games on The Ocho.

  87. I’d love to see a team in Portland OR! Also, think of Bezos, Cuban, Ellison, and Zuckerberg owning these new teams! Sounds exciting to me. The old guard will be shown up almost immediately which is why they may not approve it!

  88. A European division would be fun but so would relegation. Let teams pay a price for crappy drafts and player development

  89. commentsareforclosers says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:47 pm
    Why on earth would the NFL go back to a city (St Louis) that has shown it is unable or unwilling to support a team?
    —————-
    Very, very simple. Because they are being sued for billions of dollars that’s why.

  90. I’m old enough to remember when expanding to 32 teams was a bad idea. NFL is a juggernaut and legalized betting is only going to make it even more popular. Bring on the 40. People keep talking about the lack of quality QBs out there. That will be offset by the lack of quality players at every other position on the field.

  91. Ok, I give. You got me. Let’s go with the…

    Chattanooga Choo-Choo
    London Bridges
    Boise Crazies
    Hawaii Five-O’s
    Moscow Mules
    Bejing Ducks
    Oklahoma Okies
    St. Louis Spirits (a homage to the most talented and worst financed ABA team of all time. Bob Costas could go back where his career started and do play by play)

  92. The QB argument does not hold as much water as some would like. Eight more teams will substantially lower the overall talent-level of the NFL allowing more pedestrian QBs to compete due to the fact that the NFL will be forced accommodate these less skilled players.

    What will suffer is the overall quality of the game. Every position will see a drop in quality. Not that any of that matters as long as the 32 can line their pockets.

  93. I guess. You’d have to have teams running the option, because you won’t have 40 starting quality QB’s.

  94. Also, think of Bezos, Cuban, Ellison, and Zuckerberg owning these new teams! Sounds exciting to me.

    +++++

    yah, no.

  95. One simple solution to the St. Louis problem would be to move the Chargers there. They don’t have a true following in L.A. and will always be the second tier team to the Rams, just like the Clippers are to the Lakers. No expansion beyond 32 teams necessary.

  96. No, it’s not as crazy as it sounds, but it’s as stupid as it sounds. Goodell and the billionaire boys are dead set on killing the NFL in their desperate (and futile) bid to become trillionaires

  97. Let’s get crazy and have a minor league. Bottom two teams in NFL get relegated each year to the minors. Top two Minor league teams get promoted and first two draft picks.

  98. While I would agree there would a problem with player depth by adding as many as eight new teams, it might not be as bad as some think IF they reduce the restrictions on NCAA players moving to the NFL. There are some quality players still in college because they can’t move on to the next level. NFL and/or NCAA is going to have to relax the rules on leaving college for the pros similar to Basketball in order to support these teams. Granted that only dilutes the NCAA game, and potentially strengthens the major programs even more as they’ll be able to recruit more and better than other schools, but its the tradeoff that needs recognized if the NFL wants up to eight more teams.

    It seems no one wanted 17 games but the Owners, so if they see more $$$ with more teams, it will happen. Thanks the gambling world for making this another avenue of revenue. I think MLB needs to be careful as they’ve been slowly trickling in viewership over the years and may be passed by NBA because of the gambling. I think more will gamble on NBA than MLB which will hurt baseball in the long run. They need to improve their game and find better ways for this new gambling phenomenon to be realize for increased viewership and dollars. With the collective bargaining agreement ending soon, any negative publicity or moves, especially in a lockout or strike, maybe just throw them to the curb as people will find other channels with other sports they can bet on and move on from baseball.

  99. ee00ee says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:45 pm
    naes brings up a good point regarding how many NFL quality QB are actually out there.
    That said, I still love the idea of expanding the league.

    Ever since they started this silly way of having teams go to London (not making everyone go equally), its been clear they’re going to expand into this market. I’ve been a proponent of embracing it fully, if they embrace it, by having a whole division of teams be based in the EU (and place silly to have left the EU)

    I think it should be 2-3 in the UK
    1-2 in Germany
    1-2 Elsewhere in EU

    Back in North America, they need to have:
    2-3 in Canada
    1 in Mexico
    1-2 in Brazil

    The question would be though, keep it 8 divisions w/ 5 each? Or, add to new divisions and keep 4 in each?

    ××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××÷

    Insanity. You have teams unable to field NFL caliber offensive linemen. You have teams fielding 35 yr old backup QBs who should be doing commercials. Just loco.

    As for the EU part. Your assumption portends NFL players want to live abroad from June/July to January/February. Plenty of military stationed in the EU talk about the beautiful sites and sounds. But nothing compares to being home.

    Just absolute insanity. The NFL would be wise to enhance the league via talent pool. Deeper teams make for better football. Watching 3rd tier offensive lineman being pushed into duty due to injury….is making some of these games unwatchable.

  100. This will 100% include one East Coast & one West Coast Canadian team. Likely Toronto if Buffalo doesn’t move there first. Then Vancouver? San Antonio is happening. London would happen last but I still say London NEVER happens.

  101. Seriously….LONDON? Tey care about American Football about as much as Americans care about Soccer….er football lmao. Just off the top of your head….really quick who won the MLS CHAMPIONSHIP last year? ….I thought so!Another mistake on behalf of the owners. There’s so many cities in Murica that DESERVE a franchise long before a foreign country and I MEAN LOOOOOOONNNNG BEFORE! Don’t get me wrong London is cool and all I really dig the people……..but STOP SELLING OUT! Not to go on 2 much of a rant but stop selling our Farmland our businesses our Corn,wheat,pork,beef,cars,tv’s,computers cell phones,shoes,underwear,tires etc etc etc then turn around and say what ya mean we’re 40 trillion in the hole? I’m just a regular Joe but when is enough enough? Ya feel me?

  102. But they already have a lot of sub-NFL teams like the Jaguars, Seahawks, Texans… bad for the NFL, bad…

  103. For all those saying the talent pool will be diluted and thus the games will be unwatchable are forgetting, there are already lesser teams out there who are producing huge markets and viewership. It’s called the college game. If one would say that the college player is lesser than the pro player, and the high school player is lesser than the college player, then why do these schools have such strong and dedicated followings? The problem is the lack of equal competitiveness. If all teams had equal player talent pools, then all games would be equally as enjoyable to watch.

    I don’t know the answer on how to be more equitable across the teams, and neither does the league as you consistently have the Lions, Jags, Browns and a few others who simply can’t compete. But that’s on their front offices for not drafting, developing, and buying/trading for the right talent to compete. But if there are such strong fan bases for the Alabamas, Ohio States, Oregons, etc. across the nation at the college level, then their will be fanbases in new NFL cities so long as they are built to compete.

  104. brees4mvp says:
    November 16, 2021 at 7:59 pm
    Let’s get crazy and have a minor league. Bottom two teams in NFL get relegated each year to the minors. Top two Minor league teams get promoted and first two draft picks.
    ———–
    I like where this is going. I’ve said for years this should occur with officials of these professional leagues. How can the Angel Hernandez, CB Buckners, and Joe Wests of MLB and Ed Hochulis, Jeff Triplettes and Tony Correnttes of the NFL continue to hold down jobs when they are always at the bottom of the approval ratings? If you finish in the bottom 10% in a year or 25% in two years, you get sent down for more training and whomever is in the top 10% in a year or 25% in two years in the minors gets called up to be your replacement. It happens with players (at times) and should happen with officials who in many instances have as much to say about the outcomes of the game, whether by good or poor officiating, than do players at times.

  105. I still don’t see 40 teams, because I don’t see 40 good quarterbacks. The list os backups provided in the comments did not impress me. 36 teams split among six divisions seems more likely, although having over half your games against division opponents may not be popular because it would mean that you would not play non-division teams as frequently.

  106. Regassert6 says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:53 pm
    If I was a player, I’d have issues being paid by a Canadian team for 8-9 games. Tax wise, that’s not a nothing difference compared to a player in TX, LV or FL. Will they have a higher salary cap in Canada to offset?

    ————

    We charge Canadian residents only, meaning 183 days of the year. U.S. residents get taxed by Uncle Sam on money earned in Canada.

    My hockey team, the Vancouver Canucks, had a few players live in Blaine, WA and commute into town. They only needed to make a certain number of nights to get to 183 out of Canada.

  107. I fon’t think there’s a shortage of talent at all. I think there’s a shortage of coaches who can work these kids up to the NFL level.

  108. How are they going to pick 8 new cities to host teams?
    They can’t even pick a new name for the Washington team. (Which I hope remains “the football team” forever.)
    Fantastic!

  109. dh4321 says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:06 pm
    Believe it or not, Raleigh will get a team at some point.
    ———/
    Highly doubt it. I’ve lived in Charlotte for the last 17 years and Panthers fans are a slight majority here. This team is still young enough that the bandwagon Dallas, Wft, and Pittsburgh fans are too plentiful to support another NC team. The mid-southerners are too focused on college sports as this is all “mom and pop” knew 30+ years ago. I’d expect to see another team out of Texas before Cali before anywhere else.

  110. Think about how watered down the product would be. Think about all the teams that lack talent at the QB position and there’s only 32 now. If it gets bumped to 40 what we’d be watching is the equivalent of our local arena team in most markets. There is a supply & demand threshold, even with pro sports.

  111. These people talking OK City and Omaha are idiots. If there is expansion and if St Louis is mandatory, then St Louis and San Antonio, nothing more. If St Louis isn’t mandatory, consider Portland. 2 teams max, if that.

  112. Idk why people want to keep putting Omaha in the mix, won’t work, same with OK City, OK has their team called the Sooners. 8 teams will not work, 2 max. The NFL also needs to quit pushing London, 1 game a year is good, same with Mexico City. Note to the NFL, let it go!

  113. One of the reasons why the NFL is so popular is with so few games you look forward to them. Leave them wanting more.

  114. I like the league in 6 divisions like the old days but with 6 teams in each. We have too many divisions.

    AFC West; AFC Central; AFC East
    NFC West; NFC Central; NFC East

  115. sameer1138 says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:45 pm
    San Antonio, San Diego, Oklahoma City, Portland, Louisville, Albuquerque, Honolulu, Omaha.
    ———————————————————–
    You forgot Alabama. They already field a pro team every year.

  116. The league can’t even field more than 15-20 good head coaches…..but sure….let’s add more teams and water down the product even more

  117. I am sure the NFL will expand at some point. Yes, the talent would dilute slightly, but with the quantity of college teams, there will be plenty of players available, even if not at quite the same talent level. You do all realize that some folks said the same thing about talent every time they have expanded, and the NFL still makes plenty of money.

    But, if the league expands to 40, who does that leave as a ‘threat’ for a location to move to when a team is holding a city hostage to fund their new stadium?

  118. People actually theorize that we’ll run out of good football players with a few more teams? Do y’all realize how many people live in America and how easy football is? There’s 300,000,000 people, and y’all think it would be hard to find about 300-400 skilled football players lololol

  119. 40 seems like it might spread things too thin, but who wouldn’t watch; right?
    Imagine….
    Week 1 having the Pittsburgh Steelers vs the Idaho Bombers. 😀

  120. Thought I’d give it a try while taking into account how to minimize fanbase depredation :
    Birmingham – nfc s
    Toronto – nfc n
    Montreal – afc e
    Mex city – nfc e
    San Antonio – afc s
    Portland – afc n
    Albuquerque – nfc w
    Louisville -afc w

  121. More revenue, lack of qualified, full time officiating, talent pool diminished, 17 week schedule…no thanks

  122. Forget Canada as an option, the Canadian Football League Act, 1974, does not allow for NFL expansion into Canada. Plus, there is no one rich enough on their own to own a team.

  123. If you want 40 teams, fine- hell make it 48 and institute a relegation system. Tanking over. Its the one thing the EPL has that is great, you suck bad enough, off to the minors you go.

  124. lifelongwhodat says:
    November 18, 2021 at 1:56 pm
    If you want 40 teams, fine- hell make it 48 and institute a relegation system. Tanking over. Its the one thing the EPL has that is great, you suck bad enough, off to the minors you go.
    ——————————————————–

    Too bad we can’t do that with about half the refs, and Joe Buck

  125. The problem is that Jerry Jones would block any attempt to add teams in San Antonio and/or Austin

  126. Falcons, Lions, Texans, Dolphins…tell me one more time why we need 8 more teams with diminished talent?

  127. There aren’t enough NFL-caliber players to fill 32 teams. What makes you or anybody else think they can stock 40? Horrible idea. Truly, phenomenally horrible idea. Stupid. BEYOND stupid.

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