From Playmakers: NFL general counsel Jeff Pash ordered expungement of 2015 air-pressure measurements

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The past week has been a rocky ride for the NFL. The past 20 years have featured plenty of bumps, too. One of the biggest came in 2015, which began with the allegation that the Patriots had used deflated footballs during the first half of the AFC Championship.

Playmakers, my new book (buy early, buy often) containing more than 100 essays regarding various events and issues and controversies in the NFL from 2001 through 2020, devotes a chapter to the saga known as Deflategate. And while pretty much everything that could be told about the situation was told about it at the time, I managed to stumble over a couple of intriguing pieces of information while putting the book together.

First, let’s take a closer look at the development that caused Deflategate to mushroom from a curiosity into a firestorm. It came from Chris Mortensen of ESPN, who reported that 11 of 12 footballs used by the New England offense during the game against the Colts were underinflated by at least two pounds each.

The information was eventually shown to be false. Mort took the bullet for it, never complaining or calling out his source. (In fact, he clung to the discredited information for months, before his original item at ESPN.com was “clarified” with an acknowledgement that the initial report was incorrect.)

So who was his source? Per a source with knowledge of the situation and as explained in Playmakers, the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent.

It makes sense. It needed to be someone sufficiently high on the organizational chart to make it credible, and to prompt Mortensen to use it, despite the fact that (unbeknownst to Mortensen) it wasn’t true. It’s unclear whether Vincent deliberately lied to Mortensen. Things were muddled and hazy and confusing in the early days of the scandal.

Regardless, the report from Mortensen immediately put the Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady on the defensive, setting the stage for Brady’s incredible (and definitely not-credible) press conference just a few days later. (Among other things, Brady was asked if he’s a cheater. His decidedly unconvincing response was, “I don’t believe so.”)

Second, there was an important P.S. to Deflategate. One that received scant attention in the aftermath of the scandal, in large part because that’s what the league wanted.

Beginning with the 2015 season, the NFL began conducting air-pressure spot-checks at halftime of games. The numbers were collected and protected, with none of the information ever coming to light.

It was expected that, given the operation of the Ideal Gas Law, the pressure inside the balls would rise on warm days, and that it would fall on cold days. That’s exactly what happened. As the source put it, “numerous” measurements made at halftime of games during the 2015 season generated numbers beyond the permitted range of 12.5 to 13.5 psi, with the reading showing a direct correlation between temperature and air pressure.

On cold days, pressure readings taken before the balls were moved to the field resulted in lower readings after 90 minutes of exposure to the conditions. On hot days, the pressure increased.

Indeed, it was believed that the actual numbers measured in the footballs used by the Patriots were generally consistent with the numbers that the atmospheric conditions should have generated that day. This should have resulted in a finding that, at most, the evidence was inconclusive as to whether there had been deliberate deflation on the day in question.

The formula for the Ideal Gas Law goes like this: PV = nRT. The “T” is temperature, the “P” is pressure, and the “V” is volume. As the temperature drops and the volume of air in the bladder remains constant, the pressure necessarily drops.

So what happened to those numbers from the 2015 season? Per a source with knowledge of the situation, and as reported in Playmakers, the NFL expunged the numbers. It happened at the direct order, per the source, of NFL general counsel Jeff Pash.

Why would the league delete the numbers? It’s simple. For cold days, the numbers were too close to the actual numbers generated by the New England footballs at halftime of the playoff game against the Colts. Which means that the numbers generated at halftime of the January 2015 AFC Championship were not evidence of cheating, but of the normal operation of air pressure inside a rubber bladder when the temperature drops. Just as it was expected.

We’d always believed the Patriots and Brady got screwed. While something fishy was indeed happening, based on the text messages exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally, the NFL failed to catch them in the act. The NFL failed to catch them in the act because the measurements made at halftime of the Colts-Patriots game were not out of line with what they should have been.

The numbers harvested during the 2015 season corroborated this. Which would provide a clear motivation to make those numbers go away, for good. Which is exactly what Pash ordered.

During the drafting process of Playmakers, I sent two separate emails to the NFL giving them an opportunity to respond to both aspects of this report. The NFL did not reply to either message.

So there’s the last word on Deflategate, as harvested in the process of drafting Playmakers. The effort to test the operation of air pressure in footballs in the season played after the game in question (an effort the NFL had never before undertaken) resulted in numbers that were inconveniently similar to the numbers haphazardly collected in a game of “gotcha” that was instigated against the Patriots. Thus, those numbers never saw — and never will see — the light of day. The NFL made sure of that.

This article is based on information taken from Playmakers: How the NFL Really Works (And Doesn’t) by Mike Florio ©2022. Available from PublicAffairs, an imprint of Perseus Books, LLC, a subsidiary of Hachette Book Group, Inc. You can (and should) order it here.

157 responses to “From Playmakers: NFL general counsel Jeff Pash ordered expungement of 2015 air-pressure measurements

  1. Brady destroyed his cell phone. People with nothing to hide don’t destroy their phone.

    The texts speak for themselves. “Jimmy needs some kicks…let’s make a deal… come on help the deflator”

    There is zero reason why the league would go after its most successful and popular player and the face of the entire league without good cause. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose so why would they make something like this up.

    Guilty. Without a doubt.

  2. And the curse of the Horseshoe was born….they will never have any luck, no pun intended.

  3. Pash orchestrated the whole thing, once it was decided by unknown players that the Patriots were going to be railroaded by the league over nothing. He even edited the final report from Exponent.

    We all knew that once it was apparent that Exponent had to bend themselves over backwards, switching the gauges per the recollection of the estimable Walt Anderson that the League was playing dirty pool. This is just further evidence of it. Think I am going to buy this book.

  4. While something fishy was indeed happening, based on the text messages exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally
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    Of course there was. The league clownishly bumbling this process doesn’t prove innocence of anything.

    GUILTY.

  5. Troy Vincent passing along Lies to get Tom Brady.

    This should be a surprise to absolutely no one.

    Vincent should’ve been fired years ago.

  6. And yet the greatest QB in NFL history was suspended for 4 games for no reason. And the NFL new it and let it happen.
    I wish someone in the NFL that was doing the measurements dropped a dime…

  7. Take it from an attorney – nothing is ever truly expunged. The information exists somewhere, in some form. Someone knows where it is. The trick is in finding it.

  8. Look at this text: “the only thing DEFLATING on sun… is his passer rating”

    If they’re talking about “deflating” then they’re doing that. Period. And I am sure they aren’t deflating balloons.

  9. Brady had the last laugh. He was 4 games fresher in the playoffs. Sure came in handy when the Super Bowl went to overtime.

  10. Every one who lives in a cold climate knows cold weather causes tires & footballs to lose pressure. The NFL just couldn’t admit they were wrong, it’s absolutely ridiculous they did this to one of the GREATEST players to play the game.
    Even after reading the article the first poster still does not believe there was no tampering or evidence of tampering!

  11. No evidence of cheating(i.e, the psi of the balls was consistent with atmospheric conditions). The cell phone was a red herring.

  12. One of the great things about football is how it mimics life. In this case billionaire owners mistakenly abuse their laborer and then concoct their own reality as their lawyers reserved their right to. The whole thing is disgusting.

  13. I love how you just brush under the rug all the texts from and to someone employed by the team known as the deflator . Like what else would he be deflating ?

  14. Using the handling of his cell phone as a sign of guilt is ridiculous. Brady is a public figure and of course he had confidential things on his phone unrelated to deflategate. Don’t we all? Why would he believe the league not leaking to the public? The evidence should be on the scientific facts of the balls not a cell phone.

  15. Funny thing was the Patriots came out that year and lit up the league. It only served to light a fire under Brady and they finished 14-2 and won the Super Bowl (though the Falcons really should have won that game). Who knows if Brady has that same season without the suspension.

  16. Just read the endorsements to your book and was disappointed not to see Aaron Rodgers quote as you said there would be. It would have been hilarious and I’m still looking forward to it if you can make it happen! Will it be available on Amazon as a Kindle offering? Hope so!

  17. Big hands don’t worry about small nfl footballs. Brady has average hands for his height.

  18. go watch the documentary Four Games in the Fall– the definite deflategate explanation– showing how Brady did not NOT deflate the balls– How the NFL won an arbitration case.

    FOUR GAMES IN THE FALL

  19. Everyone can say what they will about how the Patriots and Tom Brady got screwed. Most how defend them talk about needing to understand 7th grade science and how stupid anyone is that doesn’t believe them. Well my question to all of the brainiacs that say that it’s 7th grade science is if they also believe that the reason that people within the Patriots organization proclaimed two days after the allegations came out that their equipment manager was nicknamed the “deflator” because he had lost a bunch of weight? And as far as 11 of the 12 balls being under the minimum psi the kicker wasn’t going to use an under inflated ball. In fact it was probably filled over legal psi with half of it being filled with helium lol.

  20. ‘There is zero reason why the league would go after its most successful and popular player and the face of the entire league without good cause’

    GoodellMustGo must sit there all day waiting for anything to do with Brady or the Patriots to spew his hatred. I think you really need some help. A regular psychiatrist couldn’t even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like where Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That’s the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man. That’s what I’m talking about because that’s the only way you’re going to get better.

  21. I’m not famous and I brick all my phones when I get a new one…and you should too especially if you resell them.
    As for emails and whatnot–with a court order the phone company has all those–its not rocket science.
    Also what is not rocket science is basic science…unless you are an employee of the NFL front office which I guess they all forgot middle school science.

    Whatever…Brady, Bill and Robert got the last laugh winning the SB right after the story broke, then the greatest comeback of all time after Brady’s suspension, THEN a third just to rub it in a bit…THEN screwing the Colts out of a coach at the 11th hour.
    You know who hasn’t won a Superbowl since Deflate gate? The Colts and Ravens.

  22. Where there is dysfunction, Troy Vincent is often at the heart of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the “source” of other recent leaked items.

  23. I find it IRONIC that the league PROMISED COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY thruout the ENTIRE PROCESS of the deflategate process & findings, yet made those findings from 2015 disappear….. you really don’t need to be a detective to figure that one out…..#framegate!!!
    We want our 1st rounder back & the 4th rounder too!!!

  24. Anyone who’s not a hater or has half a brain knew this by now. The NFL is rotten and has an agenda. Guys like Troy Vincent, Pash and Goodell decide an outcome and create the conditions to merit “punishment”. The kicker is in the basic science. Even if you think Brady would orchestrate taking the most minuscule amount of air from a football at halftime, it had zero relevance in the game or his performance at all. The numbers in 2015 were supposed to be released to show that. They did but the true scandal was the NFL confirming their bias by not publishing them.

  25. heres a thought set the ball pressure ON THE FIELD during warmups so it is consistant with the ambient temperature.. THERE THAT WASNT HARD AT ALL!!!!!

  26. Brady bought a new phone. I’m not even famous but I destroy my old one also. To much info on them.

  27. The NFL is a private business and under no legal obligation to handle evidence according to any legal standing that protects individuals under the presumption of innocence. And the NFL front office at that time was ripe with executives who came from AFC East rivals to the Patriots who had been beaten down and embarrassed by them on the field of competition.

    Add to those facts another, that a person’s personal cellphone is loaded with private activities that might be highly sensitive to many people, not just the owner.

    Any person who would willingly surrender such a powerful tool into the hands of patently biased business executives who have employer-employee authority over them and zero intent to follow due process – and a documented history of leaking information to the press when it suits their business goals and objectives – is a fool. Certainly a much greater fool than they wish Tom Brady to be.

  28. Thanks nfl all it did was ignite another dynastic run of more sb wins for the Patriots.

  29. Why would the league delete the numbers? It’s simple. For cold days, the numbers were too close to the actual numbers generated by the New England footballs at halftime of the playoff game against the Colts. Which means that the numbers generated at halftime of the January 2015 AFC Championship were not evidence of cheating, but of the normal operation of air pressure inside a rubber bladder when the temperature drops. Just as it was expected.

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    For you guys that claim you dont smash your phone if you are innocent, how do you reconcile this? The league deleted the information, thats basically the same as smashing your phone. End result, the information is destroyed.

    At least Brady has personal privacy reasons for doing it, the only reason the league would do it is because they didnt want the info to come out that the whole thing was a sham.

  30. “Brady was obviously guilty because he refused to turn over his cell phone to the same league that was publicly smearing him” is the most oatmeal-brained, deranged idiocy logic imaginable.

  31. One other big lie that the NFL never expected would be uncovered: when the NFL lost the court case to Brady, the judge decided to release to the public the entire private transcript of the interview between Brady and the NFL’s ex-FBI investigator. It showed the NFL lied big time. The NFL punished Brady for lacking credibility when he claimed he never spoke to the ball boys about deflategate after “the scheme was uncovered.” The judge noted that in the interview, when Brady was asked that question, Brady answered, YES, he spoke to them for about 20 minutes or so about it. He wanted to know what was going on. The NFL deliberately lied as they set up a trap for him.

  32. If Brady had integrity he would do what Coach Belichick did re Spygate. With the whole country listening he admitted fault, took responsibility for his mistake and told everyone it wouldn’t happen again.

    Spygate wont be forgotten as part of Bill’s legacy but doing that made it easy to forgive. Too bad Brady won’t do the same thing. Tommy will get in the hall of fame but he shouldn’t. Cheater.

  33. Brady isn’t dumb. He knew what destroying a cell phone in the middle of an investigation would look like.

    Sounds like what was on his cell phone and the devastating damage it would do to him and his legacy made it worth taking that chance and leaving the questions out there.

  34. johnnydlive says:
    February 6, 2022 at 9:25 pm
    Everyone has something to hide, that’s why Brady destroyed his cell phone.

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    what moron would hand their phone and all their personal content over to the jackals in the NFL?

  35. Of course the NFL lied about the facts, and then covered up their lie with more lies. It was an attempt to derail the greatest dynasty The sports world has ever seen

  36. It was a hit job from the beginning. The Goodell years will go down in history as years the NFL made billions but its integrity was bankrupted.

  37. Even if you think Brady would orchestrate taking the most minuscule amount of air from a football at halftime, it had zero relevance in the game or his performance at all. The numbers in 2015 were supposed to be released to show that. They did but the true scandal was the NFL confirming their bias by not publishing them.
    ——
    Like Brady, Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong didn’t need to cheat either. They would have all been elite without cheating. The likely outcome of those games doesn’t justify someone deciding to cheat.

  38. Destroying the cell phone proves nothing as a famous athlete i am sure he had much more important texts and pics maybe even videos of him and Giselle that he didnt want leaked and sold all over the internet really doubt the reason he destroyed it was anything to do with air pressure

  39. There is one constant to the NFL and the way they conduct their investigations. The outcome is the first thing to be decided and then an analysis is run in such a manner as to reach the predetermined conclusion

  40. Jeff Pash is Goodell’s henchman (and pretty much a cancer on the shield). He commissioned and edited the Exponent report to establish/close a gap in the language of the CBA which ultimately gave Goodell authority to do whatever he wants, and eventually helped Goodell get another $250M contract extension from the owners in the after math. Deflategate never had anything to do with footballs. Pretty hypocritical though that the NFL hung their hat on Brady “destroying evidence”, and then the NFL destroyed the evidence.

  41. The court transcripts already revealed that the entire case from the fabricated text conversation to the mis reported cell phone destruction to the whole pile of science going against them. So we already knew what that evidrnce showed and Pash having it destroyed (remember back before the measurements all the promises to be transparent? Goot times.)

  42. One item that isn’t discussed, and I think should be, is the accuracy of the readings. We don’t know what was used, or when it had last been calibrated. You have to factor the potential error in all your readings.

    Having said that, the Pats did not deserve any benefit of doubt. While they probably haven’t done half of what they’re accused of doing, we probably don’t know half of what they’ve done.

    The only thing less shocking than the Pats doing something questionable is the League office doing something questionable.

  43. For those who have doubts about what actually occurred, I would recommend that you read all the court filings and and testimony from the case and the appeals. You will see beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was nothing there and that the NFL was on a mission to punish the Patriots regardless of supporting data. In the NFL’s zeal to get to the Patriots, and payback to Belichick in particular for Spygate, the positive face of the NFL (Brady) was sacrificed.

    Mortensen’s wrong report – which the Patriots pleaded to have corrected – stood for months as public opinion of the Patriots crumbled. The NFL loved this. Patriots haters ate this up and the retraction was barely noted.

    The Patriots were doomed since the courts supported the fact that Goodell was the arbitrator and would rule on the appeal. Foolishly, the NFLPA gave him that power in earlier contract negotiations.

    The NFL said they would publish the results of the 2015 cold weather ball pressure measurements. They never did. Their “nothing to see here” approach on Deflategate, and later CTE settlements was so typical.

  44. The court transcripts already revealed that the entire case was home spun nonsense from the fabricated text conversation to the mis reported cell phone destruction to the whole pile of science going against them. So we already knew what that evidrnce showed and Pash having it destroyed (remember back before the measurements all the promises to be transparent? Goot times.) is not really that meaningful.

  45. Anyone that was paying attention to the story at the time will recall that Brady was pissed about a game earlier in the season when all of the balls were over inflated and he told the guys that in the future he would like them to ensure that they were in the correct range. That is the reason that they called themselves the deflators, etc. As for the phone. Seriously? I cannot believe that people question why Brady would destroy his phone. If I had a phone, I would most certainly destroy it before turning it over to ‘kangaroo court’. He is certain to have private and sensitive information on the phone that has nothing to do with the game balls, but would inevitably be leaked to the press and used to either attack or embarrass him. The NFL’s conduct in this matter was underhanded and discriminatory. They should have been fined and suspended, not Brady.

  46. The only footballs that had unusual air measurements in that game were the Colts footballs. Science has proven this. The NFL lied about the Colts footballs to make it look worse for the Patriots. But in the end, science shows the Patriots footballs were right where they should have been, and the Colts footballs were WAAAAY higher than they should have been. This is indisputable regardless of whether Brady destroyed his phone.

  47. finfan39 says:
    February 6, 2022 at 10:07 pm
    Everyone can say what they will about how the Patriots and Tom Brady got screwed. Most how defend them talk about needing to understand 7th grade science and how stupid anyone is that doesn’t believe them. Well my question to all of the brainiacs that say that it’s 7th grade science is if they also believe that the reason that people within the Patriots organization proclaimed two days after the allegations came out that their equipment manager was nicknamed the “deflator” because he had lost a bunch of weight? And as far as 11 of the 12 balls being under the minimum psi the kicker wasn’t going to use an under inflated ball. In fact it was probably filled over legal psi with half of it being filled with helium lol.
    ===================================================================
    I love when people try to be smart, and then face palm themselves. The kickers use “K balls”. Those “K balls” are completely different from the 12 balls the offense uses. The fact that you dont know this, is mind boggling. But here you are. The “K” in “K balls” stands for, wait for it, “Kicker”.

  48. I have never cheated in the NFL. But I would destroy my old phone before I would hand it over to them read.

  49. I am beyond weary of those who argue that the destroyed cell phone is a smoking gun. Brady’s cell phone likely contained tons of personal information (maybe even a romantic text or two to Gisele), financial information, texts about his plans and what he might have thought about this or that person. He was right to take a hammer to the phone rather than hand it over to some league toadie. The destruction of the phone is not, even a little bit, evidence of wrongdoing.

  50. theringisthething says:
    February 6, 2022 at 10:28 pm
    ‘There is zero reason why the league would go after its most successful and popular player and the face of the entire league without good cause’

    GoodellMustGo must sit there all day waiting for anything to do with Brady or the Patriots to spew his hatred.
    —-
    I don’t hate anyone. I detest cheating lying and covering it up which is what happened here.

  51. ogpackerfan says:
    February 6, 2022 at 10:37 pm
    If you don’t think Brady and the Pats cheated you’re not smart.

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    Nah just means you’re in denial. He had me fooled too. I was in denial for years.

    Read the Wells report and take a good look at what those text messages are saying and it is obvious that they were deflating footballs and Brady was 100% aware of it. No point denying what’s right there in front of you in black and white. It’s rough being a Patriots fan and having a guy that we idolized tarnished and legacy tainted by not just the cheating but the coverup. Which as it usually is, is way worse than the crime.

  52. Destroying documents seems to be the usual course these days. Heaven forbid we hold anyone accountable for it.

  53. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 9:44 pm
    Amazing how many people justify cheating

    ******

    Amazing how many people don’t understand basic science.

  54. Stunning how few people understand what happened. Brady’s complaint the whole time was that the refs kept OVER inflating Patriots footballs. All he wanted was footballs within the designated range. There is nothing fishy about this whatsoever. What is fishy is how hard the NFL worked to frame him for their own shenanigans, including the initial sabotage, and telling him they didn’t need his phone only to then turn around and say he “destroyed” it after he checked with them first and got permission to upgrade to a new one. This whole thing took years, during which the NFL miraculously lost both the original pressure gauge and now we know an entire year of PSI measurements. The NFL admitted under oath it didn’t even undertstand that footballs naturally deflate if you take the them outside in cold weather. This is a 100+ year old football league that does not understand how footballs work. Not a single NFL employee has been fired over this.

    And as for Pash, he was the one who covered up the 11 out of 12 deflated lie, including in email exchanges with Patriots counsel that are publicly available. He’s also the guy Gruden was exchanging racist emails with, if you want to weigh his character.

    Honestly the people who still believe the league after years of their lying are beyond help. Brady won four more rings after this “cheating,” almost as if he played even better when the league stop trying to drag him down at the behest of miserable also rans like the 45-7 loser Colts. He won the SB both the year the Colts threw their little tantrum, and the year he was suspended for it being more probable than not that he was generally aware the NFL flunked 9th grade physics. But you will never figure it out.

  55. If you hate Brady I get it, but just say it out loud…What is more likely?

    The guy won 4 Super Bowls after Deflategate for some reason needed deflated balls to succeed.
    OR
    The NFL was probably embarrassed that they never took into account a basic Scientific Law when it came to their policies.

    If you want to brand Brady guilty simply because he didn’t turn over his phone to the NFL, shouldn’t you also ask yourself why the NFL never released their findings on air pressure and temperature? You better believe if their report proved their point, it would have been front page news.

  56. The texts between the ballboys actually exonerate Brady and the ballboys because it was news to Brady that the ballboys don’t inflate the balls themselves. It’s why Brady told them to bring a rule book to the refs and shove it in their face to get the PSI right. The deflator comments came before this revelation so they were clearly about something else, as the ballboys always claimed. If Brady were in on a conspiracy to deflate with them, then why is he just learning in November that the refs are the last ones to mess with the PSI in November?

  57. In answer to GoodellMustGo , Belichick never admitted anything about Spygate. In fact, he still defends himself on it, and even a couple years ago had a quick retort to a reporter asking him about the spying. “How is it spying when everyone can see the signals inside a stadium full of people?”

  58. The only thing the Patriots were guilty of in both Spygate and Deflategate was hubris. Their shots at the Jets and Ravens backfired spectacularly on them. After the videotaping memo came out in 2006, Belichick sent the NFL after the Jets who were filming the Patriots signals from the sidelines. The NFL defended the Jets by saying, quote, “That’s football!” and also saying the Jets had permission (permission to cheat?) as the Patriots maintained the Jets couldn’t name the person who gave them permission because no one did. Clearly, Belichick understood there were no teeth to the memo because the Jets were allowed to do it. But Mangini was angry so he set up the trap that lead to Spygate the next year (I don’t blame Mangini because Belichick narc’d on him first). As for Deflategate, the Patriots played the Ravens before the Colts, and Brady fired off a cute comment about Harbaugh whining about a tackle eligible play that the Patriots ran. Brady said, “Read the damn rule book!” to make fun of Harbaugh. Well, Harbaugh was told that game that the kicking balls were deflated (it was freezing cold out). While Harbaugh didn’t realize that the ballboys don’t prepare the K-balls the way they prepare the throwing balls. The K-balls are new balls kept by the refs. Still Harbaugh called the Colts and that’s why the Colts were waiting to grab a ball on the sidelines. It was a set-up kicked off by Harbaugh the week before. In both cases, the Patriots made wise-allecky moves or comments that ended up backfiring on them spectacularly.

  59. Biblio Eater says:
    February 7, 2022 at 9:55 am
    In answer to GoodellMustGo , Belichick never admitted anything about Spygate. In fact, he still defends himself on it, and even a couple years ago had a quick retort to a reporter asking him about the spying. “How is it spying when everyone can see the signals inside a stadium full of people?”

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    He also said this:
    “The guy is in front of 80,000 people, 80,000 people saw it. Everybody on the sideline saw it…Everybody sees our guy in front of 80,000 people. There he is. So, it was wrong and we were disciplined for it. That’s it…we are never going to do it again and anything that’s close, we aren’t going to do it, either.”

    Whether he calls it “spying” or not is just terminology. He admitted what they did was wrong, which it was. I’m glad he said it.

    Wish Tommy could have done the same thing. The text messages are as clear as day, they were deflating footballs. All Tommy had to say was yes we did this, we want the footballs to be at the lowest legal air pressure range, we have reason to believe other QBs and teams prep the balls like this to their own liking and none of us believe the league had an issue with this until now, sometimes we also find the footballs are overinflated (which the text messages confirm) so we wanted to make sure that it didn’t happen again…we are sorry and this won’t happen again.

    Then all would be forgiven and this would be a footnote instead of a huge scandal.

  60. As for Deflategate, the Patriots played the Ravens before the Colts, and Brady fired off a cute comment about Harbaugh whining about a tackle eligible play that the Patriots ran. Brady said, “Read the damn rule book!” to make fun of Harbaugh.
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    That is true. Tommy does have a habit of letting his arrogance show up in his mouth. Did it before the Giants Super Bowl scoffing at Plaxico Burress’s prediction that the Giants would hold his team to 17 points. The Patriots only scored 14 so that didn’t turn out very well for him.

  61. The NFL knew they had a nothing case, so they spent 100 days giving out false and misleading information to smear Brady in the court of public opinion. And it worked. The false PSI information was just one piece of the campaign. The NFL lied about the cellphone, and people still see that as a smoking gun, even though the NFL investigators told Brady they didn’t need his phone. (And they didn’t, because Brady’s team had produced paper records, with the NFL promptly leaking some of Brady’s personal texts, and the fact that they had the ballboys’ phones which, unlike Brady’s, were not personal property.)

    The texts that the Wells Report painted as so damaging were just a handful, relation to a Jets game months before, in which the official, in pregame inspection, inflated the balls to 16psi. Brady reamed out ballboy McNally for not being on top of that, and McNally complained about it in texts with the other ballboy, saying he was going to blow up the footballs like watermelons and the only thing getting deflated in the upcoming Bears game would be Brady’s passer rating; i.e., not the watermelons. McNally was not nicknamed the Deflator. He once, once, referred to himself as the deflator, in a text many months before the Colts game. How is that a smoking gun, given the timing and the fact that he’s a freaking ball boy, who spends a lot of time inflating, deflating, and gauging balls for play and practice? The Wells Report falsely made it sound like these texts had something to do with the current games.

    On the PSI measurements in 2015, the guidelines say they were supposed to be inspected by officials and security, with PSI results measured and recorded, then included on the Referee’s Report. Instead, the NFL cut the officials out and had everything done by security so that there would be no referee record, thus making it easy to get rid of all the evidence that the NFL didn’t like.

    What’s funny about all of this is that the PSI rules were put in the rule book because it used to be that the home team provided all the balls. Parameters were set so that the home team couldn’t play games with the visitors’ balls. The rule should have been eliminated when teams started providing their own balls.

    This was a setup right from the start, meant to demonstrate Goodell’s disciplinary power and to prove to the other owners that he wasn’t beholden to Robert Kraft.

  62. Just wondering if Vincent or Pash will be suspended without pay by the league for creating false reports. I used to think that the IOC and NCAA were the most dirty organizations, but the NFL is giving them a run for their money.

  63. This was ALWAYS a complete farce to begin with. ONLY the Brady/Patriots haters ever put any stock in this while sham caused by Irsay ie the Colts.

  64. Belichick sent the NFL after the Jets who were filming the Patriots signals from the sidelines. The NFL defended the Jets by saying, quote, “That’s football!” and also saying the Jets had permission (permission to cheat?) as the Patriots maintained the Jets couldn’t name the person who gave them permission because no one did. Clearly, Belichick understood there were no teeth to the memo because the Jets were allowed to do it. But Mangini was angry so he set up the trap that lead to Spygate the next year (I don’t blame Mangini because Belichick narc’d on him first)
    ———–
    The way I see it Coach Belichick should have called the league to check if his plan to film complied with the rules. It takes a few minutes of effort and all would be well. Instead being as arrogant as Tommy he thought he was smarter than everyone else and he’d try to pull a fast one with the rulebook and the wording of the rule and he really thought the commissioner would buy his explanation.

    Narrator: He didn’t.

  65. Okay, so Brady destroyed his phone, which was wrong. He and the team were punished with him serving a 4 game suspension and the team paying a million dollar fine and a first rounder. Troy Vincent lied and Jeff Pash expunged the air pressure results. What’s their punishment?

  66. Then on the other hand … there was the infamous Tuck Rule. So, let’s just say the score is tied …

  67. Also brushed under the rug is the fact that the Colts’ footballs were equally underinflated.

  68. I love how people conveniently forget that Brady was offered the option to have someone present when the Wells team was examining his cell phone…and he still refused to turn it over and destroyed it instead.

    Obviously given the choice Cheatin’ Tom preferred just leaving unknowns and questions out there about what was on that cell phone more than having what was actually on it discovered. I suspect he understands it would have totally destroyed his legacy.

    Cheater.

  69. Sorry Cheatin’ Tom Fan Club. The Second Circuit Appellate judges rejected Tommy’s arguments for destroying his phone so why should anyone else accept them?

  70. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Brady destroyed his cell phone. People with nothing to hide don’t destroy their phone.

    ========

    Have people really already forgotten how much “leaking” the league office had been doing on various topics by this point? The last thing any sane person would want to do is hand over their phone to an office that had shown no trustworthiness. It’s not even about illegality, just basic protection of one’s personal life.

  71. If anyone is naive enough to “trust” the NFL would do the right thing I have a bridge to sell you. Let’s see. First the Washington Redskins investigation resulting in ZERO information coming out against an owner yet “leaked emails” against an employee. Then the NFL dismisses the Flores accusation against an owner before remembering that it forgot to do its fake “investigation”. Days later they announce the investigation which will not doubt be credible given they already announced the findings. Air pressure aside show me a single instance where the NFL throws an owner under the bus in support of an employee.

  72. Troy Vincent lied and Jeff Pash expunged the air pressure results. What’s their punishment?

    ——————-
    The buck stops at Goodell. Will be a much better league once he is gone.

  73. Deflategate was the biggest farce in professional sports history. It is remarkable what envy, jealousy and petulant self-righteousness can do to a person’s soul. Both fans and owners alike…

  74. The challenging thing for the NFL is that if they were not deliberately conspiring during the Deflategate nonsense, then they were unimaginably incompetent. Neither is a great look. The latter seems the more likely. But they still won even though the evidence and the science suggests they wouldn’t have had a chance in open court. Which is why Brady wanted it there of course.

  75. kevpft says:
    February 7, 2022 at 11:41 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Brady destroyed his cell phone. People with nothing to hide don’t destroy their phone.

    ========

    Have people really already forgotten how much “leaking” the league office had been doing on various topics by this point? The last thing any sane person would want to do is hand over their phone to an office that had shown no trustworthiness. It’s not even about illegality, just basic protection of one’s personal life.

    —-
    Right but Wells wasn’t going to take his phone away and secretly scan the whole thing. The offer was made to have someone from Brady’s team supervise while the contents of his phone was being examined. And Brady’s team still said no and they just destroyed it.

  76. February 7, 2022 at 6:55 am
    Brady isn’t dumb. He knew what destroying a cell phone in the middle of an investigation would look like.

    Sounds like what was on his cell phone and the devastating damage it would do to him and his legacy made it worth taking that chance and leaving the questions out there.

    ==========================

    Actually looks like he values his privacy. This was proven to be right when later his emails were leaked to the public ( remember the pool cover b.s. ?)

  77. The league was caught lying as well when the judge ordered all the documents be made public. League tried to stop it from happening cause once made public all their leaks and stories were found to be lies.

  78. Chill_Mickelson says:
    February 7, 2022 at 12:22 pm
    February 7, 2022 at 6:55 am
    Brady isn’t dumb. He knew what destroying a cell phone in the middle of an investigation would look like.

    Sounds like what was on his cell phone and the devastating damage it would do to him and his legacy made it worth taking that chance and leaving the questions out there.

    ==========================

    Actually looks like he values his privacy. This was proven to be right when later his emails were leaked to the public ( remember the pool cover b.s. ?)

    —-
    I could buy that except he was given the chance to have someone watch the Wells team examining his phone – and he still turned it down.

    Privacy indeed. As in hiding something that he didn’t want the investigators to find.

  79. I just love the fact that despite the ridiculousness of “Deflategate”,and the punishments that went with it, the Pats still went to the Super Bowl and won it…and the Colts have been snake bitten ever since.

  80. Bostonian living in Chicago since 2014 where my wife is from. We got married in September of 2015, but this whole ordeal stuck out during wedding planning.

    The next morning, my friends from the military were tagging me about chi eating and deflating footballs.

    The FIRST thing I said was wait a second wasn’t it like 55 at kickoff back home and raining?!?!?! Didn’t the temperatures drop during the game?! And WHAT ABOUT THE COLTS FOOTBALLS?!?!?! They too would’ve naturally lost PSI from the air.

    What a joke. The NFL league office is corrupt. Jerry Jones, rhe maras, the Rooneys, my wife’s McCaskey’s, the Johnson’s and others were SICK OF US WINNING…….hell, they even tapped during super bowl 49 about “the fallout and what could happen”

  81. The people that say Brady destroyed his phone make it sound like he smashed his phone on the spot with a hammer when he heard of the investigation. Just like Stephen a Smith reported it. This is FALSE. Not knowing what the future holds Brady got a new phone at some point before the investigation and replaced his old phone. Everything on his old phone was still retrieved thru the phone company. All Brady was guilty of was wanting a white pool cover and telling a buddy manning was almost done while he had years of game left in him.

  82. Troy Vincent’s playing record against Tom Brady: 0-5. I’m sure he was never bitter about that, though. /s

  83. In the end the GOAT handed it to Goodell and his cronies the best way possible, hoisting the Lombardi. Without doubt, Brady’s sweetest SB victory.

  84. Prior to beating the Rams (“Greatest show on turf”) in the superbowl, the Patriots were a losing team. Then came a coach with a losing record as a head coach in Cleveland (BB) and a 6th round draft pick QB whose combine picture of him standing there in what looks like his boxer shorts would scare no one (but his own team for the wrong reason). There was no understanding or remote comprehension at the time what Brady and BB would do (9 superbowls in 18 years). To the rest of the NFL world, for the Patriots to have a winning season would be an accomplishment. At the time of spygate the Patriots had won 3 out of 4 superbowls. The NFL world (especially 31 jealous owners) were incredulous and they let the brand spankin new NFL commissioner (Goodell) know it. Something had to be going on. It was still not realized how special BB and Brady were together.The brand apankin new commissioner, eager to prove he was the right person for the job, was on the hot seat to do something about just had to be cheating. Seth Wickersham’s spygate article that inflamed the world, states that the NFL spent 5 years up to spygate trying to catch the Patriots cheating. He was trying to make the argument that the Patriots were cheating but what he was unwittingly doing was showing the bias that the NFL had against the Patriots and the pressure that was on Goodell to find something. That is the context in which the *gates occurred. It is time to stop looking for excuses and except that BB and Brady were an amazing combo and it was great to be around to see it. No one knew at the time what the lowly Patriots would accomplish with those two so the NFL world flailed looking for excuses.

  85. Nobody can deny that both Brady & Belichick are all-time greats regardless of these incidents. But blindly justifying the blatant is disregard for the taping rules and blindly disregarding texts to a ballboy makes people lose credibility. Just come out say “these guys are great, no idea why they tried to get an extra little edge when they did not need to”

  86. This is from Vincent’s letter to Brady informing him of the suspension, “the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.”

    He didn’t cooperate with the investigations and lied to the NFL (it wasn’t just destroying the cell phone).

  87. I think most people who don’t have Patriot Derangement Syndrome knew Brady was innocent the whole time.

    Time for those who falsely accused him of guilt to apologize.

  88. don’t forget the part that many of the footballs were wet, as it was raining and the Patriots were on tge field more than the Colts in the first half.

    Exponent’s “analysis” assumed way too many things, one of them being that the footballs woukd have warmed some by the time they were measured However they didn’t account for the fact that water holds temperature longer than air.

    think about it….step in a puddle of cold water and your shoes get wet. do you take them off when you get home or leave them on? you take them off because it is instinctive that your feet will warm faster by removing the wet shoes. you don’t even have to think about it.

  89. There’s a fact (I know they get in the way of a good story) that is never addressed. How did the Patriots manage to score more TDS in the second half with the “legitimate balls” and the Colts scored less? Actually none? I’ll wait for your explanation.

  90. You have to admit how funny all this really is. You have a Federal Government who hides tapes, hides court documents, hides so many things, wanting to investigate a league who hides things. I am sitting here laughing out loud at the world we live in. Too funny.

  91. Brady replaced a broken phone AFTER telling the NFL investigators they weren’t getting his phone. Since some people insist on using common sense over science (let’s get past the deserved eyeroll for the moment) and are stuck on why Brady would “destroy” his cell phone … why would somebody with everything to hide tell NFL investigators he was replacing his phone? It’s not hard to see why certain people continue to accept the narrative the NFL created about Brady destroying his phone. It’s exactly what the NFL needed to happen.

  92. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 7, 2022 at 12:46 pm

    I could buy that except he was given the chance to have someone watch the Wells team examining his phone – and he still turned it down.

    Privacy indeed. As in hiding something that he didn’t want the investigators to find.

    ===============

    And yet we are STILL waiting for the NFL to look at the cell logs Brady provided from that phone at the appeal hearing. Why would somebody with everything to hide do that? Privacy indeed.

  93. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 7, 2022 at 11:26 am
    Sorry Cheatin’ Tom Fan Club. The Second Circuit Appellate judges rejected Tommy’s arguments for destroying his phone so why should anyone else accept them?

    ====================

    Huh? I would suggest you go back and look at the Appellate court ruling. It most certainly had nothing to do with that.

  94. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 7, 2022 at 10:46 am

    The way I see it Coach Belichick should have called the league to check if his plan to film complied with the rules. It takes a few minutes of effort and all would be well. Instead being as arrogant as Tommy he thought he was smarter than everyone else and he’d try to pull a fast one with the rulebook and the wording of the rule and he really thought the commissioner would buy his explanation.

    Narrator: He didn’t.
    ================
    Oh but he most certainly did! You have to go back to what caused Spygate to begin with. In 2006 Belichick called the league to investigate claims that the Dolphins purchased a tape of Tom Brady’s calls at the line of scrimmage. The players boasted that synched up game tape of the Patriots helped them win 21-0 in a December meeting of that year. The league’s response? Pretty much a stifled yawn, since there was no rule prohibiting such film study. The reaction around the league was “That’s football”. It was the league response that prompted Belichick to put the Dolphins strategy on steroids. So no, Belichick wasn’t trying to pull a fast one. He was simply taking advantage that was laid out by an opposing team since “That’s football”. Nor was he the innovator of stealing signals.

  95. I hate to say this, but Brady messed this up from the beginning…

    When this whole thing blew up (courtesy of the Baltimore Ravens!) Brady made the mistake of going in to the initial meeting with the league with only Don Yee and without NFLPA union representation. Don Yee should have forced Brady to accept NFLPA representation. If he had, then the NFLPA would have told the league “NO” when they asked for Brady’s private phone. The league also asked for Stephen Gostkowski’s phone but he had NFLPA representation and they said “No” because it violated the CBA and the league backed down. Brady trusted his agent and while I do not doubt Don Yee has Brady’s best interest at heart, he was not the right person for this job, there should have been someone from the NFLPA in the room from the beginning.

    On a side note — It was obvious in the Divisional Round post game press conference that Brady got himself in trouble with his flippant remark about Harbaugh and his “He should read the rule book” comment. A sarcastic answer to the dumb press question about Harbaugh’s whining about the Patriots cheating by using an ineligible receiver during several plays late in the first half of the game. The “#28 reporting as ineligible” during the game — the plays that got the Patriots right back in to the game.

    I was at that game and for Harbaugh to complain was crazy…at one point the referee said over the speaker “do not block #28!” So sorry that the Ravens team could not figure this out. John Harbaugh and the Ravens are the reason for Deflategate.

  96. karmakalled says:
    February 8, 2022 at 9:17 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    February 7, 2022 at 11:26 am
    Sorry Cheatin’ Tom Fan Club. The Second Circuit Appellate judges rejected Tommy’s arguments for destroying his phone so why should anyone else accept them?

    ====================

    Huh? I would suggest you go back and look at the Appellate court ruling.

    ——
    I did. They rejected his arguments. One of the judges even said that Brady could have been suspended just for destroying his phone period. And Brady arguing he always destroyed his phones “made no sense whatsoever”. The ruling made it clear that it was a very big deal that he destroyed his phone and they found it hard to believe Brady wouldn’t know that it would quote “raise the stakes” of the whole thing.

  97. “Better be surrounded by cash and new kicks… or it’s rugby Sunday”

    “The only thing deflating sun… is his passer rating”

    “Jimmy needs some kicks… let’s make a deal… come on help the deflator”

    I don’t need to know what the NFL did or didn’t do handling this case. The texts are out there and they tell us all we need to know. They were deflating footballs because Tommy wanted them that way. Any other conclusion is trash.

  98. The nfl has been proven to be liars in this case. Brady has not. League leaked the 11 of 12 footballs story, league leaked Brady didn’t cooperate (documents show Wells said he cooperated, league leaked destroyed cell phone (documents show Wells said he didn’t need his cell phone), etc. League lied over and over again. Science and the investigation ptove nothing nefarious happened.

  99. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 8, 2022 at 11:01 am

    I did. They rejected his arguments. One of the judges even said that Brady could have been suspended just for destroying his phone period. And Brady arguing he always destroyed his phones “made no sense whatsoever”. The ruling made it clear that it was a very big deal that he destroyed his phone and they found it hard to believe Brady wouldn’t know that it would quote “raise the stakes” of the whole thing.

    ====================
    No the court did not. Chin suggested that Brady “destroying” his cell phone provided Goodell sufficient reason to doubt Brady. That’s all. If any judge tried to rule that not providing the cell phone warranted suspension they would have undermined their entire argument that the labor agreement contract was the binding artifact. Let’s not pretend the NFL was entitled to the phone. Everybody who has even a fractional knowledge of Deflategate knows that wasn’t the case.

    The Second Circuit Court ruled that Judge Berman acted beyond his authority and did not afford Goodell’s decision the deference it was entitled to under the federal Labor Management Relations Act and the Federal Arbitration Act.

  100. So the NFL has no evidence that the balls were deflated. We definitely would have heard all the measurements that followed this if it supported the NFL’s case. It didn’t and we didn’t

  101. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 8, 2022 at 11:11 am
    “Better be surrounded by cash and new kicks… or it’s rugby Sunday”

    “The only thing deflating sun… is his passer rating”

    “Jimmy needs some kicks… let’s make a deal… come on help the deflator”

    I don’t need to know what the NFL did or didn’t do handling this case. The texts are out there and they tell us all we need to know. They were deflating footballs because Tommy wanted them that way. Any other conclusion is trash.
    ======================

    Again you don’t spend $5 million dollars if only 3 texts were needed. Even if those texts were accepted universally that “something smells” (which is likely true) it does little to change the fact the NFL failed miserably at proving anything nefarious went down.

  102. Again you don’t spend $5 million dollars if only 3 texts were needed. Even if those texts were accepted universally that “something smells” (which is likely true) it does little to change the fact the NFL failed miserably at proving anything nefarious went down.

    —-
    Happens every day in courts across the country. Prosecutors mess up and guilty people walk free. Doesn’t prove innocence. Seems like the texts do just the opposite 🙂

  103. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:51 pm
    Brady destroyed his cell phone. People with nothing to hide don’t destroy their phone.

    The texts speak for themselves. “Jimmy needs some kicks…let’s make a deal… come on help the deflator”

    There is zero reason why the league would go after its most successful and popular player and the face of the entire league without good cause. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose so why would they make something like this up.

    Guilty. Without a doubt.

    —————-

    1. Of course you would destroy your cellphone if you were replacing it. That’s a no brainer. Particularly if you are a famous celebrity. Unless he had a court order to hold evidence he should go about his business.

    2. The reason they went after the leagues best player had nothing to do with Brady. It was to open the door for 31 owners to investigate the Patriots practices again. It worked. They were able to run another investigation and it found nothing.

    Brady won before, won after and won in Tampa too. Turns out the Patriots secret sauce was always Brady. Nothing else to find.

  104. You don’t think these two ball boys would have come out with a tell all book by now if something shady was going. They were made out to be clowns and let go of their jobs. If they had anything they would be selling it to the highest bidder.

    What’s more reasonable…..

    Nothing happened

    OR

    A guy took a duffle bag of balls into a bathroom, emptied out 12 balls, let air out of them exactly to Brady’s liking, measured all the balls to make sure they were at the right measurement to his liking, put all the balls back into the duffle bag, and left the bathroom in 90 seconds.

    The majority and sane people believe nothing happened. The haters and crazies believe the ball boy is The Flash.

  105. 5snarkavenue says:
    February 8, 2022 at 6:07 am

    Exponent’s “analysis” assumed way too many things, one of them being that the footballs woukd have warmed some by the time they were measured.
    ===========================
    That Exponent “analysis” has been totally shredded by physics professors. Exponent also forgot to include how ball temp can be effected by how long they are held inside the ball bags once they are carted back off the field. It turns out that this is a huge impact on temp, therefore a huge impact on pressure.

    And it always cracks me up how people dismiss this science when, in fact, it’s the very same science that they see at work every time they look up and watch a jet plane fly overhead. This science defines the entirety of our natural world, as it has been for all time and will always continue to be. It does not decide to work for airplanes but then take Sundays off for NFL footballs.

  106. Brady fan here.

    It’s pretty clear to me that Brady wanted footballs deflated but even he didn’t realize what the rules were. Some QB’s like the balls inflated, some deflated but as long as it’s in a certain range then that’s all the matters.

    The NFL was playing dirty as they say and the Brady haters need something to hang their hat on.

  107. Everybody is upset on here about the Cheaters getting Cheated on….yawn….Karma can be a hard pill to swallow sometimes so gets some water and a Snickers and relax….you will heal.

  108. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 8, 2022 at 12:24 pm

    Happens every day in courts across the country. Prosecutors mess up and guilty people walk free. Doesn’t prove innocence. Seems like the texts do just the opposite 🙂

    ==============

    Quite simply, if they walk free are they guilty? If the prosecution fails to prove their case how do you know if they are guilty? It certainly isn’t based on the evidence so it has to be based on something altogether completely different. It’s that latter component that warrants further scrutiny. If the supposition is ignore the evidence and find them guilty it doesn’t take a lot of reasoning to see the flaw in that logic.

  109. crackersnap says:
    February 8, 2022 at 12:45 pm
    5snarkavenue says:
    February 8, 2022 at 6:07 am

    Exponent’s “analysis” assumed way too many things, one of them being that the footballs woukd have warmed some by the time they were measured.
    ===========================
    That Exponent “analysis” has been totally shredded by physics professors. Exponent also forgot to include how ball temp can be effected by how long they are held inside the ball bags once they are carted back off the field. It turns out that this is a huge impact on temp, therefore a huge impact on pressure.

    And it always cracks me up how people dismiss this science when, in fact, it’s the very same science that they see at work every time they look up and watch a jet plane fly overhead. This science defines the entirety of our natural world, as it has been for all time and will always continue to be. It does not decide to work for airplanes but then take Sundays off for NFL footballs

    ——

    and of course the only temperature reading they had was from the weather station at the top of the lighthouse. No temperature of the rain itself, or even the air at field level.

  110. Let’s assume all the haters are right and that the balls were at the minimum PSI or slightly underinflated during the first half of the Colts game and subsequently replaced at half time. You ran maybe 20-25 plays (run and pass plays) with a slightly underinflated football. And this warrants a 4 game suspension, loss of draft picks and a hefty fine … seriously? Even if this was all accurate, a $25k equipment violation should have been the penalty.

  111. finfan39 says:
    February 6, 2022 at 10:07 pm
    Everyone can say what they will about how the Patriots and Tom Brady got screwed. Most how defend them talk about needing to understand 7th grade science and how stupid anyone is that doesn’t believe them. Well my question to all of the brainiacs that say that it’s 7th grade science is if they also believe that the reason that people within the Patriots organization proclaimed two days after the allegations came out that their equipment manager was nicknamed the “deflator” because he had lost a bunch of weight? And as far as 11 of the 12 balls being under the minimum psi the kicker wasn’t going to use an under inflated ball. In fact it was probably filled over legal psi with half of it being filled with helium lol.

    ~~~

    Kickers use a completely different set of balls (K-balls). The one ball thar was well under the other 11 was the one the Colts picked off. What is strange about that one is that a Colts equipment manager on the sideline “checked” the PSI before league officials got involved. No one on the sideline is allowed to have a pin as it makes it possible to change the air pressure in a ball after it has been checked by the officials before thr game.

    That was another piece of information that the NFL swept away during their reporting.

  112. For everyone mentioning him destroying his cell phone, destroying your cell phone does not destroy any text messages or anything that was saved on the phone. The only thing it destroys is the phone itself. Everything else can be recovered.

  113. Why is this Pash guy still around? Seems like he causing a lot of trouble for the NFL between this and his buddy buddy relationship with Bruce Allen and covering up the Redskins’ scandals.

  114. The comments about Brady’s phone are laughable. Why would anyone who is as well known and connected like Brady let the NFL near his phone. The promise of only looking at pertinent information and having someone there during the inspection are hollow at best. The NFL has a history of misplaying penalties and leaking information.

    To those who still think destroying the phone is damning what do you say about destroying evidence?

  115. Let’s not forget about how much of a scum bag Mortenson is in this whole thing. Not only did he refuse to reveal his source (which is fine), he refused to retract his “information” when it was proven in public domain to be false (which is NOT ok). It wasn’t until months after the true information was published that ESPN took down Mortenson’s “information”, and Mortenson didn’t acknowledge that it was false. Great piece of “reporting” there….

  116. And people wonder why there is so much scamming and dishonesty running rampant in this country. Everybody, and I mean everybody, sees those men at the top with their thousand dollar suits, multi million dollar homes, always looking so “respectable”, yet they are the most dishonest this country has to offer.

    Why the hell is Goodell still the Commissioner? Where is his public apology to Tom Brady?

    This is just about the lowest thing a bunch of billionaires can do to an athlete who was given nothing but the desire to compete, fairly.

    Goodell has got to be the most dishonest person in a high profile job in this country. And he is paid $65 million dollars to be just that. Where the hell is his integrity that he is always talking about?

  117. unbreakable02215021217 says:
    February 8, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    Best who ever lived. 31 other owners couldn’t handle it.
    __________________________________

    I wish I could thumbs up this a million times. Petty jealousy, rank incompetence, a complicit media, and insufferable self-righteousness fueled the most fraudulent and banal controversy in the history of professional sports. A lifetime Raiders fan, I was overjoyed when the Pats won Super Bowl 51.

  118. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:51 pm
    Brady destroyed his cell phone. People with nothing to hide don’t destroy their phone.

    The texts speak for themselves. “Jimmy needs some kicks…let’s make a deal… come on help the deflator”

    There is zero reason why the league would go after its most successful and popular player and the face of the entire league without good cause. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose so why would they make something like this up.

    Guilty. Without a doubt.

    =========

    OK – lets assume all those 3 are accused of something wrong.

    Tell me one reason why the League has not released any PSI data, any interviews, any critical evidence from their investigation. Wouldn’t that add credibility to the investigation and prove the point ?

  119. The texts, videos, phone etc……tip it the way of guilt without a doubt. Nonetheless, he’s still the goat. BB is sub .500 pre and post Brady. Brady was the system and the ONLY reason for the titles.

  120. The case falls apart with this:

    You have to believe that the ref remembered 24 numbers that he did not write down but could not tell 2 completely different looking gauges apart. Exponent knew this flaw so they misled with their propaganda photos that were scaled up for the smaller needle, the needle was placed further on the ruler, and the bend was tilted so that it could not be seen by the camera.

  121. For everyone who says it was wrong to destroy the phone . Should turn over their old phones for public scrutiny when they get a new one.

  122. The owners should be outraged over the actions of those in the league office regarding the Deflategate mess. Unfortunately the owners are self-serving and wanted to see the Patriots taken down.

  123. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:57 pm
    While something fishy was indeed happening, based on the text messages exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally

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    Lost in all the noise: the text messages in question occurred in May, 2014. The game in question occurred in January, 2015. How are they related at all?

  124. sky72 says:
    February 8, 2022 at 7:09 pm

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    Goodell has got to be the most dishonest person in a high profile job in this country. And he is paid $65 million dollars to be just that. Where the hell is his integrity that he is always talking about?

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    To be fair there are a bunch of millionaires in DC that make Goodell look fairly pedestrian in integrity and dishonesty.

  125. P.P.S. re the science on deflated footballs: within days after the beginning of the NFL’s investigation, the lawyers for the NFL announced that they would like to hire the Columbia University Department of Physics to advise them on air pressure, etc. I believe they even published an announcement to that effect. But we never heard from the Columbia University Department of Physics; by the time the Wells report came out, the NFL’s expert adviser on science was the hired gun Exponent firm. Nothing from Columbia university, or any other academic scientist. What happened to Columbia physics professors(s)? What did they say about the scientific evidence? It would be interesting to see their exchange of correspondence with the NFL lawyers on this issue.

  126. Also – isn’t an equipment violation supposed to be a $20k fine, not involve a lengthy, rigged investigation that ignores basic science?

  127. How much money did the NFL pay for the Wells Report?? Either the law firm was complicit or incompetent or maybe just corrupt.

  128. locutus says:
    February 9, 2022 at 7:48 am
    GoodellMustGo says:
    February 6, 2022 at 8:57 pm
    While something fishy was indeed happening, based on the text messages exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally

    ==============================
    Lost in all the noise: the text messages in question occurred in May, 2014. The game in question occurred in January, 2015. How are they related at all?


    You really think Brady and his buddy the Deflator were doing this for one game only?

    He called himself the Deflator. Come on.

  129. Last 2 comments from me on this …

    1. “The effort to test the operation of air pressure in footballs in the season played after the game in question (an effort the NFL had never before undertaken) resulted in numbers that were inconveniently similar to the numbers haphazardly collected in a game of “gotcha” that was instigated against the Patriots. ” No duh.

    2. The science failed to prove the footballs in that game were manipulated. Despite the texts. Despite the bathroom visit. Despite a destroyed cell phone. It’s fair to say there ‘might’ have been a scheme to deflate the balls. But it’s also equally (if not more) fair to say the NFL failed to prove anything happened in that particular game. There was nothing about the texts, bathroom visit or cell phone that proved that specific game was impacted. So until the NFL could prove tampered balls were directly impacting a game (which still hasn’t been done) it should have been treated as an equipment violation.

  130. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 9, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    You really think Brady and his buddy the Deflator were doing this for one game only?

    He called himself the Deflator. Come on.

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    The NFL couldn’t even prove it happened for one game let alone multiple.

  131. Tabasco says:
    February 9, 2022 at 9:56 am
    Also – isn’t an equipment violation supposed to be a $20k fine, not involve a lengthy, rigged investigation that ignores basic science?

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    Brady destroyed his cell phone. That gave Goodell the right to escalate the whole thing. A right granted by the CBA and confirmed by the Second Circuit.

  132. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 9, 2022 at 12:38 pm
    Tabasco says:
    February 9, 2022 at 9:56 am
    Also – isn’t an equipment violation supposed to be a $20k fine, not involve a lengthy, rigged investigation that ignores basic science?

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    Brady destroyed his cell phone. That gave Goodell the right to escalate the whole thing. A right granted by the CBA and confirmed by the Second Circuit.

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    So if the transcript showed that Brady did not destroy his phone when they asked for it and/or if the CBA actually doesn’t speak to league rights to cell phones one way or another you would agree there was no case?

    And if you do insist that destruction of data constitutes proof that the data was incriminating then does not the NFL destroying the data proves that it showed their case to be utter nonsense?

    Cant have it both ways ya know?

  133. @GoodellMustGo:
    Show me anywhere in the CBA that Goodell has the right to ANY players cellphone!

    The only thing that this case proved was the Court saying that Roger can discipline players pretty much at his whim!
    You can erase, destroy your phone, etc., and the DATA is STILL RECOVERABLE!

  134. I’m literally a chemist and know Boyle’s law like the back of my hand and have been playing in cold, wet weather since I moved to New England. I knew the NFL was full of crap.

    Didn’t anyone think it odd the relationship between Goodell and irsay being chairman of the competition committee that year?

    As for destroying his cellphone, what y’all don’t understand about Brady is that while he may be the most competitive man to ever play the position, he would never allow someone not as privileged as himself to take the fall for him. Brady is a loyal SOB. He wouldn’t let Jastremski be punished over this BS.

  135. Its not illegal to “deflate” the footballs, just can’t do it after the ref inspection. Per Wells Report, there was a Pats game earlier that year where the balls were over 15psi post game, meaning the refs illegally overinflated them. Brady wasn’t happy and going forward had the ball guys present the footballs to refs with a COPY OF THE PSI RULE. Why would they give the refs a print out of the psi rule if they intended to break it? It makes no sense.

  136. When Brady said “I don’t believe so” after being asked if they were altering the balls in order to cheat, I believe that the ball boys were instructed to always make sure they were in the legal range of the way Brady wanted them because prior to this nonsense, the refs had mistakenly jacked up too many of them. Nothing wrong with a QB wanting the balls to be consistent.

    The NFL was instructed to get their pound of flesh from the wildly successful Pats from the owners through Goodell and his minions—no matter what. They suspended the greatest player in league history for 4 games, in effect doing the Patriots a favor and resting Brady which many feel fueled that year’s championship run.

    Did any of this PSI foolishness ever really matter? No—of course not.

    The Deflategate curse still haunts the petty Ravens and Colts who conspired to rat out the team that pounded them once too many times. All it did was strengthen them and create the resolve to go on another dynastic run.

  137. Brady : “we call him the deflator because he lost a bunch of weight”. Sure Tom sure… Patriots: a history and culture of cheating.

  138. Can’t we find an NCAA football player who is studying physics to replicate the study and publish the findings? That will verify a few things and put the onus back on the league to explain.

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