Roger Goodell’s non-answer on 2015 air-pressure spot checks says everything

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After the folks at Hachette foolishly offered me a book deal, my editor, Ben Adams, issued a simple challenge. While piecing together a puzzle of more than 100 controversies, incidents, stories, etc. that taken together tell the story of the NFL as a successful-despite-itself business concern over the past 20 years, try to find some new information that previously hasn’t been reported.

So I did. And it worked, as well as it could for a stream of high-profile stories that were covered extensively as they happened.

Deflategate ended up being fairly fertile ground, to my surprise. As Playmakers reports (and as we strategically released at the start of Super Bowl week because, you know, capitalism), the 2015 air-pressure spot checks performed by the NFL during halftime of various games were permanently expunged at the direction of NFL general counsel Jeff Pash.

The news had the intended reaction, especially in Boston. It tends to vindicate the Patriots, obviously. If the numbers had supported the NFL’s punishment of the team and quarterback Tom Brady, they would have been spoon fed to Schefty five minutes or so before being plastered all over NFL.com. The fact that the numbers never saw the light of day means that a comparison of those numbers to the numbers harvested in Deflategate would have prompted people to say, “Where’s the proof of cheating?”

Then came Wednesday, the occasion of the Commissioner’s annual pre-Super Bowl press conference. Of the various tough questions that the $65 million-per-year pin cushion fielded, Ben Volin of the Boston Globe asked Roger Goodell about our important Deflategate P.S.

“I don’t know what happened to the data, to be honest with you,” Goodell said. “We don’t look back at that. We just make sure there’s no violations. That is the purpose of the spot checks. Are there violations? And if there are violations we need to look into it. But thankfully we did not see any.”

Yes, they saw no violations. They saw no violations because the air pressure inside the balls behaved as it should when the temperature rises (higher pressure) or drops (lower pressure). And the evidence of no violations regarding the spot checks, when compared to the numbers taken from the footballs used by the Patriots during the first half of the 2014 AFC Championship, would have prompted many to conclude that there was no violation there, either.

This doesn’t mean that something fishy wasn’t happening. The text messages exchanged by New England football flunkies Jastremski and McNally were damning. Brady’s explanation for the destruction of his phone was borderline laughable. However, if this was about proof of cheating on the day that the league office decided to swarm over the team’s football, there was no such proof.

The spot checks would have proven that. Thus, the numbers generated by the spot checks were examined, retained for a bit, and then destroyed — despite the fact that there was pending litigation at the time regarding the Brady suspension. (And, yes, this potentially could be characterized as obstruction of justice by an ambitious prosecutor looking to take on Big Shield.)

Maybe Goodell truly doesn’t know “what happened” to the data, in the sense of he doesn’t know whether it was deleted from a hard drive, crushed in a thumb drive, or flushed down a toilet. Regardless, he knows that it’s gone for good. That’s the point.

By saying “I don’t know what happened to the data,” he admitted that it’s gone. It’s gone because they wanted it to be gone. Goodell’s implicit admission to that effect proves that it was affirmatively erased.

Why is it relevant now? It’s relevant because the information about the league deleting the information was published now. And we never would have known about the ultimate vindication of the Patriots as to the 2014 AFC Championship if Ben Adams hadn’t nudged me to find some new information for Playmakers.

So show your appreciation to Ben (and me because, you know, capitalism) by ordering Playmakers, if you haven’t already. And if you already have ordered it, go ahead and order it again. Let the sales be a referendum from the public on how Deflategate was handled. I mean, if it helps moves merchandise, I’ll take it.

93 responses to “Roger Goodell’s non-answer on 2015 air-pressure spot checks says everything

  1. Now that Deflategate has been unequivocally found to be a crock of the genuine article, can we now complete the Patriots’ exoneration by refusing to villify Tom Brady anymore for destroying his cell phone? The phone likely contained tons of personal information (including perhaps a romantic text or two to Gisele), financial information, thoughts about his future in the game and what he might have thought about this or that person. He was right to take a hammer to his phone rather than turning it over to some leering league toady. We would have all done the same. So, please stop.

  2. I’m sorry, but who cares anymore. Even the Patriots fans shouldn’t worry about it – they ended up winning it all anyway.

  3. Wells Report use “Brady destroyed his phone” as evidence against Brady. I find it illogical and ridiculous because there maybe hundreds of reasons for Brady to destroy his phone, like may he had some nude photos of his wife, some bad words about Kraft family? Not mention that league could check the phones of others to find the text message they needed.

    To claim it is evidence is like claiming “every man is my father because my father is a man”.

  4. Patriots should sue to get their draft picks back, their fine refunded and Brady should sue for his lost wages. Of course, none of this will happen.

  5. I’m convinced the biggest reason they dropped the hammer over deflategate was the NFL shredded all the documents from SpyGate, trying to bury it because New England promised they’d never do anything again. When the NFL investigated Deflategate, they felt there was something going on, even if they couldn’t prove it. So the NFL felt they had to do something.

  6. So is the NFL’s way of getting back at the Patriots because the NFL mishandled Spygate so badly? Goodell was being pressured by NFL owners to go hard on the Patriots for DeflateGate because they all felt he went too easy on them after Spygate. That’s no excuse for the way Goodell handled this and dragged Brady through the mud for years. The Patriots need their first round draft pick back and an apology. I’m not holding my breath

  7. Why is this even a thing. Ok, you “lost” the measurements. Here is an idea. JUST TO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN NEXT SEASON. Why is everyone giving him a pass. Not like the PSI in 2”15 would be different than 2022. Do it again. They were so gung-ho to do it tue first time, they simply can’t refuse to do it again. So someone needs to ask him to redo the entire thing at one of his press conferences

  8. Just how the NFL got away with ignoring science, which anyone who owns a car knows about tires.
    I am not saying everyone knows about how this works, but A LOT of people do and one would think anyone involved in football would know. Heck I figured it out as a Freshman in high school re:footballs.

  9. lurkeymcgee says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Did they not do the same thing with the Spygate tapes? No one got to see that evidence either.
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    I don’t agree with the NFL decision to destroy them but they were shown to journalists first. I read Jay Glazer still has some of the tapes, don’t know if that’s true.

  10. There’s still 2 items missing from this explanation:

    1. Why were many of the Pats balls below pressure while the Colts were not? Gotta start comparing apples to apples.

    2. Why did Brady destroy his cell phone records? Because he clearly had a hand in deflating the balls & thus deserved his suspension, if not a forfeiture of that game

  11. The 2015 spot checks were AFTER deflategate. At halftime of the 2014 Patriots-Colts game, the league had to reinflate Patriots balls but not Colts balls because all four Colts balls tested within the legal range on at least one gauge.

    Whatever weather excuse the deflategate haters want to use, the apples-to-apples comparison showed the Colts balls were acceptable. The Patriots balls were not.

    Brady served his time and played impressively AFTER deflategate to prove his is the GOAT. But let’s not re-write history based on spot checks after deflategate.

  12. How is this “story” even still being talked about? I mean, the Colts were blown out in that AFCCG by 38 points. As if a PSI or two would have made any kind of difference.

  13. Canucklehead3, why do you keep asking the question and then ignoring the answer??? The Colts balls were also deflated. The NFL stopped checking them. Why did they stop checking them? They say because they ran out of time. But the more likely answer is that the Colts balls vindicated the measurements in the Pats balls so they stopped measuring them.

  14. “Vindication of the patriots”. God bless you mike I will buy your book! Now let’s get goodell run out of town on the wft / dan Snyder fiasco/ coverup for sweet justice ( revenge)!

  15. The whole Exponent Report was proven to be a fabrication by Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit. Graphs were (subtly) made up to support the desired conclusion. McIntyres report is still on line.

  16. And btw the pressure in the clots balls were NOT different than in patriots. That was the lie spoon fed to espn by league.

  17. I’ve always thought that Brady’s phone had… other… information to hide, not necessarily Deflategate related.

  18. Phone destruction means nothing i wouldnt want random people digging through my phone and i am not even famous imagine how much tabloid information could have been sold from his phone

  19. What can’t be denied at this point is that there is no actual evidence that the Patriots ever deflated a football to below the mandated range. Footballs were measured after a few hours in the cold and found to be low, in a way that is readily explained by the laws of physics. Further study of this over the following season produced results that were never released. So – nothing except speculation.

    Anyone who’s worked for any corporate entity knows that “we don’t know what happened to the data” is complete hogwash. Legal retention and discovery requirements would mandate such information be kept and stored in a way that could be retrieved at any time for many years to come. For that to not be the case can only be the result of an intentional effort to delete the information outside of normal practice.

  20. Destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation is not a sign of being innocent in spygate and deflategate.

    The NFL was under no obligation to proved the results of the psi testing.

    And btw, Brady was never asked to turn over his cell phone. Wells understood there could be personal unrelated info on the phone and he asked and trusted Brady’s lawyer to perform a search on the phone for words like deflate, psi, etc and provide only those texts to the NFL.

  21. For the love of Pete, for those people still harping on Spygate. There is/wasn’t a rule preventing taping of apposing sidelines.
    the rule was about where they taped from.
    Should they of been penalized, as they were from taping from an undesignated area, yes. And they were. But illegally videotaping and videotaping from an illegal location are two vastly different things.

  22. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:46 am

    The 2015 spot checks were AFTER deflategate. At halftime of the 2014 Patriots-Colts game, the league had to reinflate Patriots balls but not Colts balls because all four Colts balls tested within the legal range on at least one gauge.

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    “All four” of the Colts’ balls, compared to eleven Patriots balls that were measured. Funny how the refs just “ran out of time” to finish the rest of the Colts’ balls, with variance between the refs’ measurements already showing up to half a pound (and three of the ref’s measurements of those Colts balls showing below acceptable range – 3 out of the 8 taken before they stopped).

  23. If I’ve learned anything this past 2 years, no one likes scientific fact unless it supports whatever ideology a group holds. This is a bad trend for the future of society.

  24. It’s all too clear that Goodell is simply the willing, lying, sack of you-know-what front man for a cabal of greedy, corrupt billionaires. The sport of football is great, but the NFL and its owners are just terrible and are sucking the pleasure out of the sport. If they are managing to bend the legal system to their will, then what can fans do to get change? Is boycotting the games–or, better yet, the sponsors–the only way to get the owners’ attention? Getting rid of Goodell, Pash and Troy Vincent would be a start, but a lot more needs to be done and I don’t see that the owners have the will to make any real changes without being legally forced to.

  25. canucklehead3 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:44 am
    There’s still 2 items missing from this explanation:

    1. Why were many of the Pats balls below pressure while the Colts were not? Gotta start comparing apples to apples.
    ===========================

    At halftime the refs started by checking the Pats footballs first. Using the info from the gauge found to be more accurate, 5 of the Pat’s 11 first half footballs were below the limit (therefore, 6 were still totally legal).

    Then the refs started to test the Colts’ footballs. The first 4 they tested were ALL below the legal limit. One more and we have “apples to apples”. Two more and it’s the Colts who would be the bad guys.

    So the NFL stopped testing the Colts’ footballs. The balance of their footballs were never looked at. The story is that the testing was halted because they were running out of time at halftime. Yeah, as if the NFL would have no interest in selling 2 or 3 more minutes of TV commercial time during the AFC Conference Championship broadcast!?

    Pretty convenient timing. For the Colts, and the NFL.

  26. Two important points are overlooked in the recent articles and posts.

    First, the equipment manager took the balls into the bathroom immediately after he got possession from the officials. That is very damning evidence.

    Second, Kraft would not allow the equipment manager to be interviewed by the NFL. Instead, he paid him off, fired him, and sent him to Siberia. If this guy really didn’t deflate the balls, Kraft would allow him to be interviewed by the NFL.

    While the PSI findings are not irrelevant, they aren’t the most critical point in all of this. The most critical point is that the equipment manager at the direction of Tom Brady deflated footballs to give Brady an unfair and illegal advantage.

  27. Brady has talent for sure, & no matter how offended & aghast Pat fans get, Brady cheated. They paid a fine/draft pucks/ suspension. Nothing to see here. We never believe our heroes can possibly be villains. There is absolutely no logic in being a fan, or fanatic of a given team. If you get laid off, fired, or no longer useful to your employer, Tom Brady nor BB nor the Patriots will call you, or stand up for you. Face the hard fact: The Pats & Tom Brady broke the rules & cheated. The End.

  28. David Lavin says “I’m sorry, but who cares anymore. Even the Patriots fans shouldn’t worry about it”
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    Draft picks were stolen, blatantly. The Patriots should get extra picks now to make up for it.

  29. njbill says:
    February 10, 2022 at 12:28 pm
    Second, Kraft would not allow the equipment manager to be interviewed by the NFL. Instead, he paid him off, fired him, and sent him to Siberia. If this guy really didn’t deflate the balls, Kraft would allow him to be interviewed by the NFL.
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    The nfl interviewed them 5 times. How many. It’s did they need????

  30. @steaksandwichsteaksandwich:

    You are totally misinformed! 3 out of 4 Colts footballs that were tested were found to be below the League minimum of 12.5 PSI!

  31. njbill says:
    February 10, 2022 at 12:28 pm
    Two important points are overlooked in the recent articles and posts.

    First, the equipment manager took the balls into the bathroom immediately after he got possession from the officials. That is very damning evidence.

    Second, Kraft would not allow the equipment manager to be interviewed by the NFL. Instead, he paid him off, fired him, and sent him to Siberia. If this guy really didn’t deflate the balls, Kraft would allow him to be interviewed by the NFL.

    While the PSI findings are not irrelevant, they aren’t the most critical point in all of this. The most critical point is that the equipment manager at the direction of Tom Brady deflated footballs to give Brady an unfair and illegal advantage.


    The texts say all that needs to be said. There was a scheme to deflate footballs there is no doubt at all about that. Any other opinion is trash.

  32. Deflate gate explained. The NFL accused Brady if murdering someone. Then Brady showed up with the murder victim alive and well. So the nfl said “well you didn’t murder him but we know you murdered someone, and you not giving us your phone is proof of that”. The end

  33. To Everyone: The NFL has NO RIGHT to any players personal electronic devices. NONE!

    And NO, it is NOT in the CBA.

  34. With the way information leaks out of the league office I wouldn’t give them my cell phone and nobody cares who I am. Tom Brady might as well post the entire contents of his text messages, camera etc… on twitter if he handed those clowns his personal cell phone.

  35. And btw, Brady was never asked to turn over his cell phone. Wells understood there could be personal unrelated info on the phone and he asked and trusted Brady’s lawyer to perform a search on the phone for words like deflate, psi, etc and provide only those texts to the NFL.

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    And he destroyed his phone the day before the interview. Coincidence I’m sure. Right.

  36. I’m a Brady fan but necessarily a fan of his off field endeavors (like a $180 sweatshirt) but once he gets inducted into the HOF I hope he partners with someone and comes out with a tell all book on this stuff.

  37. 2. Why did Brady destroy his cell phone records? Because he clearly had a hand in deflating the balls & thus deserved his suspension, if not a forfeiture of that game
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    The investigation wasn’t going to take his phone and go away with it. They wanted Brady to search for certain things on his phone. There was no chance any personal information would get out.

    Obviously Brady decided that destroying his phone and having the questions out there about what was on the phone was a better option than having the investigator find something on the phone that he didn’t want to be found. Like a ball deflation scheme. Or even PEDs. Who knows.

  38. lurkeymcgee says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Did they not do the same thing with the Spygate tapes? No one got to see that evidence either.

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    Technically, no. There were tapes that were seen (both in the media and outside of the media). The issue is the conjecture behind the Pats maintaining a vast library of tapes that seemingly didn’t exist. Because not all of the tapes were made available the commissioner made sure to promulgate that myth.

  39. @amaf22
    The only “people” who got hurt was the Patriots because of the NFL’s lies and cheating.
    What other people got hurt?

  40. mhouser1922 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:13 am
    Now that Deflategate has been unequivocally found to be a crock of the genuine article, can we now complete the Patriots’ exoneration by refusing to villify Tom Brady anymore for destroying his cell phone? The phone likely contained tons of personal information (including perhaps a romantic text or two to Gisele), financial information, thoughts about his future in the game and what he might have thought about this or that person. He was right to take a hammer to his phone rather than turning it over to some leering league toady. We would have all done the same. So, please stop.

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    I’m an advocate that Deflategate was a sham but that’s wholly unrealistic. Despite the NFL failing to prove anything nefarious was goin on there was enough circumstantial evidence to suggest something might have been. Brady not providing his phone only adds to that and no amount of time will correct that. However, him providing the logs at appeal in order to provide the NFL the missing information and having it ignored should go a long way towards changing that perspective.

  41. dietrich43 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:32 am
    I’m convinced the biggest reason they dropped the hammer over deflategate was the NFL shredded all the documents from SpyGate, trying to bury it because New England promised they’d never do anything again. When the NFL investigated Deflategate, they felt there was something going on, even if they couldn’t prove it. So the NFL felt they had to do something.

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    If we assumed that was the case I would think that would give Pats fans (it would be too much to ask for all NFL fans) justification in feeling they were “attached to another object by an incline plane wrapped helically around an axis.”

  42. Vasteelerfan says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:34 am
    Was his non answer like Brady’s on why he destroyed his phone…..ah. Ah,,,accidentally?

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    He told investigators the phone was broken and he was replacing it …

  43. Zero rings for the Colts or the Ravens since they set the Deflategate farce in motion. Let’s hope this sweet karma remains in place for decades to come.

  44. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:46 am
    The 2015 spot checks were AFTER deflategate. At halftime of the 2014 Patriots-Colts game, the league had to reinflate Patriots balls but not Colts balls because all four Colts balls tested within the legal range on at least one gauge.

    Whatever weather excuse the deflategate haters want to use, the apples-to-apples comparison showed the Colts balls were acceptable. The Patriots balls were not.

    Brady served his time and played impressively AFTER deflategate to prove his is the GOAT. But let’s not re-write history based on spot checks after deflategate.

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    It’ not about rewriting history as to understanding the apples-to-apples comparison. Two footballs. One at 14 PSI. The other at 12 PSI. Both within NFL legal limits. Add weather and you get your answer. THAT would be an apples-to-apples comparison. Not assuming both footballs were at 14 PSI when in fact there were not. Simply put, if you looked at the pressure drop in the Colts balls and compare that to the Pats balls you’d find they were eerily similar. At least to everybody but Exponent. LOL

  45. canucklehead3 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:44 am
    There’s still 2 items missing from this explanation:

    1. Why were many of the Pats balls below pressure while the Colts were not? Gotta start comparing apples to apples.

    2. Why did Brady destroy his cell phone records? Because he clearly had a hand in deflating the balls & thus deserved his suspension, if not a forfeiture of that game

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    1. They only checked 4 Colts balls as they were “out of time” And they checked those 4 after checking all the Patriots balls with 2 gauges so the Colts balls had been setting in room temp air for 10+ minutes before even being checked.

    2. The phone is irrelevant. He was under no legal obligation to turn it over. And said he would not submit his phone to the NFL as they are want to leak info and see all his personal/intimate family stuff. He bricked his phone before getting a new one just like most people do to avoid data mining for bank info etc. You cannot use destroying his phone as evidence of guilt when he could have kept using his phone and the NFL still wouldn’t get it. He did however submit his phone records and emails concerning who he was communicating with. Also, they had the phones of the 2 Patriot employees in question and there was no evidence there connected to Brady. All they did find was 1 text over a year before the game in question where the guy referred to himself as the deflator. Watch the documentary “Four Games in Fall” – if it doesn’t open your eyes to everything that happened then you are the kind that just wants to hate in ignorance.

  46. In a world of 24/7 fake science, why is it not surprising to find out that the NFL essentially tried to repeal the Ideal gas law.

  47. “lurkeymcgee says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Did they not do the same thing with the Spygate tapes? No one got to see that evidence either.”

    Because there was no dispute in Spygate. Belichick did not dispute what he had been doing… He had his interpretation of the filming rule and the league had a different interpretation. The rule was cleaned up and ambiguity was gone, thus proving that Belichick had a good point, that what he was doing was technically not against the rules. Stop listening to the haters and read what really happened.

  48. The league leaks what they want to leak to further their narrative. And people wonder why Brady wouldnt hand his phone over.

  49. njbill says:
    February 10, 2022 at 12:28 pm
    Two important points are overlooked in the recent articles and posts.

    First, the equipment manager took the balls into the bathroom immediately after he got possession from the officials. That is very damning evidence.

    Second, Kraft would not allow the equipment manager to be interviewed by the NFL. Instead, he paid him off, fired him, and sent him to Siberia. If this guy really didn’t deflate the balls, Kraft would allow him to be interviewed by the NFL.

    While the PSI findings are not irrelevant, they aren’t the most critical point in all of this. The most critical point is that the equipment manager at the direction of Tom Brady deflated footballs to give Brady an unfair and illegal advantage

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    Sigh

    Yes the measurements and the surrounding science is definitely the most critical point in all of this. It is THE ONLY way to prove deflation happened IN THAT GAME.

    Bringing balls into the bathroom was fishy but is not proof they were deflated FOR THAT GAME. The NFL knew they needed more and they were 100% correct.

    Texts from years prior was fishy but is not proof the balls were deflated FOR THAT GAME. The NFL knew they needed more and they were 100% correct.

    The “destroyed” cell phone was fishy but is not proof the balls were deflated FOR THAT GAME. The NFL knew they needed more and they were 100% correct. The NFL had the cell data from the McNally and Jastremski and could corroborate any communications with Brady. The cell logs that Brady provided and summarily ignored most definitely could have. Somebody with everything to hide never would have provided the cell logs from the “destroyed” phone.

    Kraft “fired” McNally and Jastremski at the request of the NFL. Both McNally and Jastremski were interviewed multiple times by NFL investigators. It was the request for the 5th interview that was denied.

  50. Why is Brady getting a new phone and asking an admin at Foxborough offices to go ahead and make sure nothing bad happens to his old one, such an odd thing? What adult human doesn’t make sure their SIM card is either removed or destroyed so important info isn’t stolen? It’s a computer.

    Of course you have it destroyed or make it disappear in some way to protect yourself, especially after the league office starting leaking out emails after they tapped into the information on his phone, AFTER HE OFFERED THE PHONE TO Wells and Wells told him “we don’t need it”.

    There’s nothing “laughable” or “fishy” about any of it. It’s completely normal behavior especially for a famous millionaire not being an idiot leaving a computer in the hands of strange or bad people.

    I mean, my goodness. How creepy. A commissioner of a sports league taps into Brady’s phone illegally and somehow we’re supposed to think THAT is normal? What on earth?

  51. Remember all the Colts had to do was beat the Jaguars and they’d make the playoffs and they lost?

    Yeah, that was awesome.

  52. NFL m.o is all ways to destroy evidence though. They did the same thing with Spygate and then the report came out of a few years later that’s why gate was a lot worse than reported. I’m not saying that deflategate is in the same criteria however the NFL is going to do whatever it can to protect the NFL.

    Exact if it wasn’t for the Gruden lawsuit they would probably try to destroy the emails from the WFT investigation.

  53. Thetruthspeaks says:
    February 10, 2022 at 12:11 pm
    Destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation is not a sign of being innocent in spygate and deflategate.

    The NFL was under no obligation to proved the results of the psi testing.
    ___________
    While that may be technically true considering the lack of ethics Goodell has demonstrated, the fact remains that the league, or any reputable person or organization, would have preserved the data to prove the results of the PSI testing that they used to drag the greatest player in the league through the mud.

  54. njbill says:
    February 10, 2022 at 12:28 pm

    While the PSI findings are not irrelevant, they aren’t the most critical point in all of this. The most critical point is that the equipment manager at the direction of Tom Brady deflated footballs to give Brady an unfair and illegal advantage.

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    Except that Brady then went out in the second half of that Colts game, with balls inflated to the max, and played even better than he had in the first half, with the Pats scoring 28 points in the second half alone.

    Brady prefers balls that are less inflated, Rodgers prefers them more inflated, every QB has their preference. There is no proof a ball was ever deflated to below the range mandated by the rules.

  55. The NFL requested Brady to turn over copies of text messages, not the phone itself. The NFL asked that certain, discrete searches be done on keywords and that texts between certain specific individuals over a very short timeframe be turned over. Brady refused. Pretty clear why.

    I always thought the most damning text messages would have been those with his agent, not the ball boys or his father or Belichick.

    The evidence was that Brady had not destroyed prior phones of his, but only this one. The NFL was never going to get possession of the phone so there was no need to destroy it. Brady panicked.

  56. I don’t believe there was ever a scheme to deflate footballs, but let’s set that aside for a second. The rulebook says the balls need to be between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. The reason the rule is in there is because in the old days the home team provided all the balls and the NFL wanted to put in a rule so that the home team couldn’t way over- or under-inflate the visitors’ footballs. For some reason, probably lack of historical knowledge of the text, the League didn’t get rid of this part of the rulebook when visiting teams began to be allowed to bring their own balls.

    So the rulebook contained a psi rule that wasn’t really necessary anymore, but it was still there. OK. But does anybody seriously think somebody is going to prefer to have their own footballs over- or under-inflated to the extent it provides a competitive advantage–and to the extent it violates the integrity of the game? That’s crazy talk. Go work on a football yourself and you’ll see. Not to mention that when the officials re-inflated the balls at halftime, the Patriots came out and absolutely destroyed the Colts in the second half. Doesn’t sound like the first-half balls gave the Patriots a competitive advantage.

    And why didn’t the NFL treat this as an equipment violation? Why weren’t the Colts subject to any kind of discipline for having under-inflated balls or, more importantly, for sticking a gauge in the Patriots’ ball they intercepted? Let’s face it; we know the answer. Goodell, at the behest of other owners, wanted to handicap the Patriots. He engaged in a 100-day process of false and misleading leaks, hired a law firm to conduct an “independent” investigation that somehow Jeff Pash was so heavily involved in that he edited the Wells Report, then at the trial level his people were caught in lie after lie. The sole reason the NFL won on appeal was because of the appeal court’s finding that the CBA gave Goodell the unfettered right to do whatever he pleased. The NFL lost on the facts (trial level). They won only because at the appeal level said the facts were irrelevant.

    Deflategate is just one part of Goodell’s long history of incompetence, manipulation and corruption. The Patriots and Tom Brady are hardly the only victims of his reign of error. Time for him and his henchmen to go and for the owners to hire somebody who has a sense of decency and will use it. Long-term, that will be good for everyone, including the owners.

  57. Just checking. So, the NFL Counsel had 2015’s season’s worth of records that showed the Pats “more likely than not” DID NOT under-inflate the football in the AFC championship game with the Colts.

    Then, the NFL destroyed the evidence.
    And then the NFL suspended TB12 anyway, 4 games in 2016.

    That is not fake science. That is despotism.

  58. lurkeymcgee says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Did they not do the same thing with the Spygate tapes? No one got to see that evidence either.

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    I never understood what people think was covered up. Even as a Patriots fan I assume they had a whole bunch of recordings of every team’s sideline filmed from the Patriots sideline. I think it’s safe to assume that. That’s the exact reason the Patriots were punished.

    The crazy thing is I don’t think BB was really even using the signals from these recordings, because smart teams change those all the time. I think he was analyzing tendencies. We saw it when BB was mic’ed up one at the Super Bowl against the Rams, wondering where McVay was. It was a way to figure out tells, like in poker, I am sure. He probably still does it, but just films from the legal locations and also uses the all-22.

  59. Another OVERLOOKED aspect of all this was that the COLTS tested the ball on the sideline they intercepted….. that they stuck a needle in the ball is ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED & a violation in itself…. & who’s to say that THEY didn’t let out some extra air as they did this as ONLY 1 BALL was found to be below what was considered a normal drop in air pressure compared to the other 11 they tested TWICE before they even started addressing the Colts balls which were in a warm room & dryer for 10+ minutes before they even started to address them….. SO MANY FACTS that just seem to be cast aside as they didn’t fit the pre determined agenda……
    ALSO, the DB for the Colts that actually intercepted the ball was QUOTED as saying that he felt nothing out of normal with the ball & was keeping it as a souvenir cause Brady threw it…. He was immediately requested to give up the ball by the GM at the time & the rest is now history…..

  60. thereisno23 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 1:38 pm

    The phone is irrelevant. He was under no legal obligation to turn it over.

    —————————————————————————-

    You are correct he was under no legal obligation to turn it over. He also was under no legal obligation to even talk to the NFL investigators. However, your 5th amendment rights don’t apply to a workplace investigation. Brady was under a contractual obligation to cooperate with an NFL investigation. He didn’t do so. And that has more than just a failure to turn over cell phone records. The NFL determined that Brady lied to them. If your employer investigated you for something you were innocent of and they determined you lied to investigators, you can bet there would be ramifications.

  61. daytontriangles says:
    February 10, 2022 at 1:33 pm
    Zero rings for the Colts or the Ravens since they set the Deflategate farce in motion. Let’s hope this sweet karma remains in place for decades to come.

    *************

    And the curse gets worse. The Ravens have been decimated by injuries several seasons since deflategate, unreal numbers, and now Jackson. And the Colts utterly ruined Andrew Luck, who, if his first couple of seasons were any indication, was going to be Burrows/Herbert good.

    It took the Red Sox and White Sox close to a century to overcome their curses, and the Lions are still under the Bobby Layne curse for sure.

  62. So is Kraft not going to do anything about this?! Too bad he and BB are such buddy buddy with Goodell. If anyone could make Goodell disappear from this job, Kraft and BB have a case to at least try.

    But Kraft will do nothinb when he should be raising holy hell. What is wrong with him? Why can’t he do the right thing instead of securing his place with his billionaire buddies?

    Boy when things get hard, some of these billionaires turn into cowards.

  63. And that has more than just a failure to turn over cell phone records. The NFL determined that Brady lied to them. If your employer investigated you for something you were innocent of and they determined you lied to investigators, you can bet there would be ramifications.

    —-
    And the appellate court confirmed in their decision that the cell phone not being turned over was a valid reason for Goodell to issue the suspension, as agreed in the CBA.

  64. What’s interesting about the cell phone is the fact that Wells told Tom and his agent he didn’t need the cell phone, here’s a quote from Wells keep the phone “, Wells insisted his investigation was thorough with out it!
    After interrogating Tom for more than FIVE hours Wells said he was
    “Totally COOPERATIVE “! Repeat totally cooperative!
    Science proves there was no tampering , there was NEVER any evidence of any wrongdoing! The NFL even admitted in Federal Court they had NO EVIDENCE!

  65. I dare any one of you to hand your phone, your account IDs, and passwords to Roger Goodell and tell him you trust him. Bunch of posers living in glass houses.
    NO chance anyone with an IQ greater than a rock would give Goodell their phone for any reason; whether he claims to be on your side or going against you. Anyone who trusts Roger Goodell for anything (today he may be your friend, but tomorrow, if given 1/2 a chance…), please call me about some ocean front property I have in North Dakota…beaches are gorgeous this time of year.

  66. It was fishy back then when Wells failed to find anything wrong with Brady, relied on the “Integrity of the game” to suspend Brady for 4 games. Brady was fighting it in court and all of sudden decided to take the penalty. It stunk badly for the NFL.

  67. Brady is The Dark Knight. He accepted all the blame for the crimes of others.

    The Hero we deserved, not the one we needed.

    #FreeTheGoat

  68. Doesn’t change a thing.
    —————

    It doesn’t. You will still cry about Brady until the cows come home.

  69. The NFL requested Brady to turn over copies of text messages, not the phone itself. The NFL asked that certain, discrete searches be done on keywords and that texts between certain specific individuals over a very short timeframe be turned over. Brady refused. Pretty clear why.

    Brady DID give them the phone records that included all the numbers he called or texted.
    They also had all the phones from the equipment guys the head coach and the owner and anyone else’s they wanted.

    There were no text or emails from Brady EXCEPT one telling one of the equipment guys to bring the rules to the refs in relation to the psi levels, that’s it.

  70. Amazing how many people justify cheating because their favorite QB was caught doing it.

    Does cheating make you proud? Is a cheater who covered up cheating worthy of respect? Do you really think accomplishments through cheating are worth anything?

    #TommyCheated

  71. And the appellate court confirmed in their decision that the cell phone not being turned over was a valid reason for Goodell to issue the suspension, as agreed in the CBA.
    —————-

    So Goodell could suspend Brady because Article 46 gave him the power to do so. Notice how cheating was not a part of the decision. Get over it.

  72. lurkeymcgee says:
    February 10, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Did they not do the same thing with the Spygate tapes? No one got to see that evidence either.
    —————–
    The Patriots didn’t deny Spygate happened either.

  73. It was fishy back then when Wells failed to find anything wrong with Brady, relied on the “Integrity of the game” to suspend Brady for 4 games. Brady was fighting it in court and all of sudden decided to take the penalty. It stunk badly for the NFL.
    ——————————————————————————-——————

    Tom’s Mom was in the middle of treatment for Cancer during all of this framegate baloney, that was why he took the ridiculous punishment .
    Framegate proved one thing ONLY, Goodell can do whatever he wants, even if there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
    Tom winning the Super Bowl was absolutely the best revenge!

  74. njbill says:
    February 10, 2022 at 2:22 pm
    The NFL requested Brady to turn over copies of text messages, not the phone itself. The NFL asked that certain, discrete searches be done on keywords and that texts between certain specific individuals over a very short timeframe be turned over. Brady refused. Pretty clear why.

    I always thought the most damning text messages would have been those with his agent, not the ball boys or his father or Belichick.

    The evidence was that Brady had not destroyed prior phones of his, but only this one. The NFL was never going to get possession of the phone so there was no need to destroy it. Brady panicked.

    ===================
    How exactly did he panic? Was it before or after telling investigators he was replacing his broken phone? Was it before or after telling them they weren’t getting the phone? It is inexplicable how anybody would go out of their way to “destroy” a phone that supposedly contains incriminating information and then tell the people investigating them they were getting rid of it. I’m at a complete loss as to how or why anybody in that situation would ever doing that. Can you? I’m not even arguing that not turning over the phone didn’t help his case. I’ll stipulate that. But it still doesn’t make sense that Brady (or anybody else in his position) would have ever done that. How do you explain that?

  75. hailtothe says:
    February 10, 2022 at 2:40 pm

    You are correct he was under no legal obligation to turn it over. He also was under no legal obligation to even talk to the NFL investigators. However, your 5th amendment rights don’t apply to a workplace investigation. Brady was under a contractual obligation to cooperate with an NFL investigation. He didn’t do so. And that has more than just a failure to turn over cell phone records. The NFL determined that Brady lied to them. If your employer investigated you for something you were innocent of and they determined you lied to investigators, you can bet there would be ramifications.

    ===================
    Huh? The NFL did no such thing. Everybody understands that Brady met with NFL investigators, correct? Let’s not pretend Brady wasn’t cooperative when we know that not to be true. His failure to cooperate was solely centered on his cell phone and that alone. And if you think any employer has the right to monitor personal voice mails or texts on a personal phone I suspect you rethink that position quickly. If it’s a corporate phone that’s another issue entirely. To be clear, this wasn’t an NFL provided phone.

  76. And let’s not forget the series of phone calls and text messages between Brady and the equipment guys in the day or two after the game. Why would the equipment guy text Brady at 7:30 a.m. the day after the game asking Tom to call him? Why would Tom call him one minute later? Why would the call last 13 minutes? Fishy, as one poster would say. Another word would be incriminating.

  77. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 10, 2022 at 2:47 pm

    And the appellate court confirmed in their decision that the cell phone not being turned over was a valid reason for Goodell to issue the suspension, as agreed in the CBA.

    ========
    No. They. Did. Not.

    The appellate court mentioned Goodell had a right to be suspicious from that action. The court affirmed that Goodell’s ruling was binding. There isn’t a court in the land that would affirm any employer has the right to access a personal cell phone. That would have needed to be provided in the CBA and it was not. It’s ludicrous to even pretend the second court did that. It’s patently false.

  78. dwqb11 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 3:30 pm

    It doesn’t. You will still cry about Brady until the cows come home.

    ================
    And now we can feel justified in doing just that.

  79. Canucklehead, I’ll gladly explain possible reasons to you.

    The colts balls may have had greater pressure because they started with greater pressure. That does not mean the Pats did anything wrong, it may simply indicate that the Pats balls had a lower pressure, but still within the legal tolerance before the game.
    2. Why did Brady destroy his phone, because he had personal info on it and did not want the NFL to leak it.

  80. The Pat’s dont need Any vindication they have the rings! This was just another shame job much like having a camera a few feet out of place.

  81. hailtothe says:
    February 10, 2022 at 2:40 pm
    thereisno23 says:
    February 10, 2022 at 1:38 pm

    The phone is irrelevant. He was under no legal obligation to turn it over.

    —————————————————————————-

    You are correct he was under no legal obligation to turn it over. He also was under no legal obligation to even talk to the NFL investigators. However, your 5th amendment rights don’t apply to a workplace investigation. Brady was under a contractual obligation to cooperate with an NFL investigation. He didn’t do so. And that has more than just a failure to turn over cell phone records. The NFL determined that Brady lied to them. If your employer investigated you for something you were innocent of and they determined you lied to investigators, you can bet there would be ramifications.

    ———————+
    What you describe would apply if it was a workplace phone, but this was not. It was entirely his own device and a trove of information on things that have nothing to do with the investigation and would in fact be improper to allow out of his possession. So they have no right to demand the phone and it would be irresponsible for him to give it.

    As far as cooperating with the investigation he does have an obligation on some level (legal ir contractual) to hand over email and text records, which he did do.

  82. All the sad and tearful Cheatin’ Tom fans in here lolololololololol

    Too bad your boy decided to cheat. If he didn’t then maybe then he’d get the respect and admiration that you crave for him.

    Keep Cheatin’ Tom out of the hall of fame!

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