John Madden called losing on purpose “the worst thing” that could be done in football

Super Bowl XI - Oakland Raiders vs Minnesota Vikings - January 9, 1977
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Former Dolphins coach Brian Flores’ allegation that team owner Stephen Ross offered him a $100,000 bonus to lose games to try to get the first overall pick in the 2020 NFL draft has led to increased scrutiny on tanking in the NFL. And it has made years-old comments from John Madden newly relevant.

At Madden’s memorial service yesterday, a video was played of Madden discussing what he called the proudest moment of his coaching career: A game Madden’s Raiders won, even when some observers felt they would have been better off losing.

The game was Madden’s Raiders against the Bengals on a Monday night late in the 1976 season. The Raiders had already clinched home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, so they didn’t need to win. But the Bengals were locked in a tight AFC Central race with the Steelers, and if the Bengals beat the Raiders, Cincinnati would clinch the division and knock Pittsburgh out of the playoffs. Given that the Steelers had eliminated the Raiders from the playoffs in three of the previous four years, some thought the Raiders would lose on purpose to knock the Steelers out of the playoffs and give themselves an easier path to the Super Bowl.

“The thinking was, ‘They don’t want to play Pittsburgh, they want to play Cincinnati, so they’re going to go lose,'” Madden said in a video played at his memorial. “That’s the worst thing you can say about someone, that they lost on purpose. Just for the sake of the organization, just for the sake of football, just for the sake of what’s right, you’ve got to go win.”

The Raiders did beat the Bengals in that game, and the Steelers won the AFC Central. Sure enough, the Raiders had to face the Steelers in the playoffs again — but this time the Raiders beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game to advance to Super Bowl XI, which the Raiders won.

Madden said his proudest moment as a coach wasn’t winning that Super Bowl. It was winning the allegedly “meaningless” game against the Bengals. Because in Madden’s view, winning was always the goal of the game, and Madden was proud to have a team that played to win every week, no matter the circumstances.

“That Monday night game was the most proud game that I ever coached in my life,” Madden said. “I don’t know any other way to play. And thank goodness, my players didn’t either.”

Madden was right. There’s no other way to play, except to win. And the NFL needs to eliminate the incentives for losing that have resulted in too many teams not playing to win.

66 responses to “John Madden called losing on purpose “the worst thing” that could be done in football

  1. An owner and fans you can “hope to lose”.

    No way you can get the players and entire staff to lose on purpose as they are all on limited contracts

    without a conspiracy between the owner, players and the coaches – this is much about nothing

  2. Losing scores of games ensures high picks, but not future wins. Teams still need to hit on those picks. Ask the Lions.

  3. Meanwhile an owner like Stephen Ross ordered his team to lose and had he succeeded would have ordered the team to draft Tua number 1 overall.

  4. See Suck-for-Luck for just one example of a team that got its Just Deserts. Teams that entertain a lose-on-purpose attitude tend to be corrosive in a variety of ways.

  5. There’s one game on the field and another game in the boardroom. They’re talking about different games.

  6. “Just Win Baby” – Al Davis

    “You play to win the game” – Herman Edwards

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    “I’ll pay you $100,000 to lose on purpose” – Arnold Rothstein/ Stephen Ross

  7. Here’s a out of the box idea. Take the 6 or so teams that have the worse record after 12 games and decide the draft order by which of those teams have the best record over the last 5 games.

  8. Goodell will do nothing about Ross, Irsay or Haslem, all 3 guilty of tanking and committing fraud.

  9. Madden had yet another reason to beat the Bengals on that Monday night. He was 11-1-1 in MNF games. Back then, the Raiders were anointed “Kings of Monday Night Football.” An incredible coach, an even better person.

  10. It’s about $ people, not building a successful franchise on field. The #1 pick isn’t about the actual pick, it’s about the narrative and leadup to the draft itself.

    People will say Miami, Miami, Miami over several months and that creates the illusion of hope.

    Winning? Such an afterthought, except how it will ruin next year’s pick…

  11. losing breeds a culture of losing. its just one game, becomes; its just one season, and so on. try to win every game or dont call yourselves a professional

  12. the worst thing – so were talking millions in fines and multiple #1 picks and loss of team ownership as a minimum

  13. There are a lot of different situations where it might be better to lose. In the Madden example, you would of course play to win. If the season just started, you would of course play to win every game. What if it’s the last game of the season and you’re out of the playoffs and you’re playing another team that has nothing to play for either? Coaches and players will always play to win but there’s nothing wrong with sitting your best players to avoid injuries and so you can look at some younger players in a game situation. You’re not trying to lose but you’re not going all out to win either. Teams in the playoffs that have nothing to play for sit their starters. Are they trying to win? Same situation.

  14. I may sound like an ancient graybeard claiming that the good old days were better, but in some ways they were. Losing on purpose was nothing that anyone took seriously. With Ross we see why. It’s a slippery slope where tanking for a better draft position becomes bribery, becomes losing to collect a big gambling bet. And when the only coach to lead a team to a winning season in years is fired and a smear campaign launched to discredit him all in the service if a better draft position and now to cover up their crimes.. Today. Tomorrow it will be another reason, and another, and another. Madden was right and all those who regard such acts as okay are wrong.

  15. Has there been any evidence beyond the accusations of a disgruntled ex-employee that Stephen Ross ordered the Dolphins to lose on purpose?

  16. Patrick Mahomes, he’s talking to you…. I suppose the Chiefs losing to the bengals is more believable than them losing to LA. What an awful SB.

  17. The problems with Flores claims are 1) It will be very hard to prove, and 2) it totally undermines his racial discrimination claim because he would have been fired for a reason other than race. Madden was certainly correct though, losing on purpose is repugnant.

  18. No way a coach alone could throw all these game. Love guilty before proving anything but talk from a X coach that said zero in 2019 when this supposably happened. You do Rember the word supposably is used a lot when the players stray

  19. The NFL owners are also heavily invested in gambling sites. If he is paying the coach $100k per loss, how much is he betting against his team?

  20. On one hand, it makes sense from a competitive balance perspective to award the worst teams the best picks so they can improve their team. On the other, as long as you incentivize being bad, you will always have teams that don’t care if they win and prefer to lose, especially if there is a high end QB available in the draft. I’m not sure if there is answer that fixes the problem, or even if its a big enough problem to care about.

  21. rainer8135 says:
    February 15, 2022 at 12:13 pm
    Perhaps it is time for NFL to switch to a draft lottery, like the NBA

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    In the NBA that draft pick is 20% of your starting roster. Tanking doesn’t work in the NFL. Let these teams conitinue to ruin their franchise. All they are doing is costing themselves money as their attendance drop. No wants to pay to watch a team lose.

  22. That run up to SB 11 was very strange.

    The Steelers blew out the Baltimore Colts like 41-13 in the first round on a day when a light plane crashed into the stands in Baltimore, and it was late in the game so many people had already left the one-sided game and no one, including the idiot pilot, was seriously hurt.

    But Franco and Rocky both got hurt and were unavailable for the AFC Championship the next week in Oakland which the toothless Steelers offense lost badly.

    So you never know what’s going to happen. Play hard and win!

  23. touchback6 says:
    February 15, 2022 at 11:15 am
    Goodell will do nothing about Ross, Irsay or Haslem, all 3 guilty of tanking and committing fraud

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    What will be do to Kraft and BB for tanking against the Bills in this year’s playoffs?

  24. To be fair about the suck for luck ordeal peytons neck was messed up and Dan orlovsky had already completed a winless season with the lions. If luck wasn’t in that draft class the colts would have stuck with manning and he would have retired as a colt.

  25. Madden was a class act.

    Unfortunately, the NFL is digging a hole for itself, deeper every year. Instead of cleaning up the corruption, they put it on steroids by partnering with organized crime……gambling.

  26. Time for a draft lottery. Stop rewarding the tanking teams with high draft picks, and you know it’s pretty much the same teams every year.

  27. A playoff team can still play to win with its backups (sitting the starters after a series or two) in order to protect its best players from injury. That has happened for years in the NFL once playoff team seeding has been determined. Losing with your backups – with nothing on the line – in that situation has usually been considered a wise strategy. The modern NFL decisions are run through statistics and probabilities, and it’s unlikely that Madden’s unnecessary ‘risk’ would ever be allowed in today’s NFL.

  28. I beat my Commanding Officer in golf once – came down to the last hole and a key putt. Sorry, but I wasn’t going to shank the putt even though I got some strange looks when I did.

  29. yolo2020 says:
    February 15, 2022 at 11:02 am
    Losing scores of games ensures high picks, but not future wins. Teams still need to hit on those picks. Ask the Lions.

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    I hate when people try to use this as a counterpoint.. You use the example of the Lions making bad picks… but how about the Bengals? They are only relevant right now because they lost the most games 3 seasons ago and ‘earned’ the right to draft Burrow #1. Any other team would have taken Burrow as well if they had that pick… So there absolutely is an incentive to lose. Don’t tell me the Bengals would have won playoff games or even made the playoffs at all this year without Burrow. Some years the top of the draft is less of sure thing but there is an incentive to lose just to give yourself a roll of the dice with a potential franchise quarterback in the draft.

  30. Was any team as blatant as Philly in the last game of 2020? Pederson all but literally threw a white towel on the field after three quarters, with his team down just 3 points and 15 minutes still to play.

  31. touchback6 says:
    February 15, 2022 at 11:15 am
    Goodell will do nothing about Ross, Irsay or Haslem, all 3 guilty of tanking and committing fraud.
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    Yeah! Never mind the coaches that would’ve had to of carried out this directive and been paid to do so. Right?

  32. Does this apply to teams who have clinched and rested their starters for the last game or two? Maybe that isn’t playing to lose, but it sure isn’t playing to win. It’s playing to keep the most important players healthy and available when the playoffs start.

  33. The Colts won 2 of the final 3 games in that suck for luck year that these obsessed clown patriot fans keep talking about. If anyone would know about cheating and conning the system, it would be patriot fans with their numerous cheating scandals year after year. The Colts tried to win , they didn’t roll over like you want to believe.

  34. As many times as my Bengals have had a very high pick I’d think they were tanking, but I know it was just general incompetence. Thankfully they finally got the right guy and if they can keep him healthy they should be able to avoid those high picks for awhile.

  35. Many fans root for their team to lose the last couple of meaningless games, if that means the team will have the number 1 draft pick.

    The Faux outrage is ridiculous.

  36. But do you let an opponent score when the clock is waining and feel your best chance to win or tie is on offense, but only time permitting?

  37. Second only to ‘fixing’ the games!

    And I thought those who kept declaring it were out of their mind! SB LVI sure did not disprove them!

  38. Behind every great fortune lies a great crime. With the exception of Al Davis and Paul Allen I can’t think of a single owner that is trustworthy beyond throwing distance.

  39. Well since there’s no franchise QB in this year’s draft, there is no incentive to lose on purpose, right?

  40. A voice from the past that carries great weight, and without a word linking the two condemns Ross to the bin of “loser” so simply. You don’t put on the cleats, lass up the skates, dig in to the batters box, line up for the opening tip, prepare for the green flag to drop and not try to win. Even we who only played in lower levels of our various sports in our own lives lived and died with results that meant nothing but what it meant to our teammates our friends, to ourselves. Competition is the point, winning the goal. Trying to lose is dropping an F bomb out loud in the Church of Competition. IMO

  41. with vegas owning the NFL now, we can expect games to go whatever way makes them pay out less.
    .
    you think vegas can’t afford to pay flores (or players) 100k and artil make money?

  42. wildbill69 says:
    I hate when people try to use this as a counterpoint.. You use the example of the Lions making bad picks… but how about the Bengals? They are only relevant right now because they lost the most games 3 seasons ago and ‘earned’ the right to draft Burrow #1. Any other team would have taken Burrow as well if they had that pick… So there absolutely is an incentive to lose. Don’t tell me the Bengals would have won playoff games or even made the playoffs at all this year without Burrow. Some years the top of the draft is less of sure thing but there is an incentive to lose just to give yourself a roll of the dice with a potential franchise quarterback in the draft.
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    If the Coach from Miami had tanked, the Dolphins would have Burrow, and that coach would still have his job, and maybe a Superbowl appearance. Instead we are here, everyone is outraged by tanking… even though we have seen it happening for years.

    Even this site scolded the Bears for winning their final game… which ended up costing them draft position… which meant the Bears had to trade a kings ransom for Trubisky.

  43. Damn where have all the John Maddens gone. People with integrity to get it. So true on his comment about losing on purpose. Too bad so many people in all walks of life just not the NFL have zero integrity and sense of right and wrong.

  44. Sooner or later the world will wake up and realize the refs aren’t just there to officiate they’re also there to coax outcomes People are just to blind at the moment but that day will come

  45. balt88 says:
    February 15, 2022 at 11:43 am
    I wonder what he would have had to say about that last drive in the Superbowl.

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    “Well lookie here Pat, the officials finally decided to start calling an honest game. A bit late, but better than the crapshow they’ve called so far.”

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