Mark Murphy: We think Jordan Love can be a good player, but we haven’t seen enough

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Aaron Rodgers appeared in only seven games, with no starts, and threw 59 passes with a touchdown and an interception in his first three seasons. So, when the Packers parted ways with Brett Favre after the 2007 season, they weren’t certain what they had in Rodgers.

Yes, Rodgers looked good in a 2007 loss to the Cowboys after Favre got hurt and he fared well in the preseason. Still. . . .

A Google search from 2008 reveals such comments as: “How many quarterbacks who have followed a legend such as Brett Favre have been successful? Only one: Steve Young. For Green Bay’s sake, they better hope that Aaron Rodgers is another Steve Young. Otherwise, Matt Flynn or Brian Brohm could be getting some action in the NFL a lot sooner than Aaron Rodgers ever did.”

Which leads us to Jordan Love, the quarterback the Packers traded up to draft 26th overall in 2020. Rodgers’ contract extension guarantees that Love, barring an injury to Rodgers, will sit for a third consecutive season.

Is Love any good? Even the Packers don’t know.

He could be the next Rodgers or he could be the next Brohm. (Or more likely somewhere in between.) Love has appeared in six games with one start (that did not go well) and has thrown 62 passes with two touchdowns and three interceptions.

“I think this preseason is important for him,” Packers CEO Mark Murphy said in an interview with Tom Grossi of Packast. “We think he can be a good player, but we haven’t really seen enough. So I think this preseason will be good for him.

“He’s a talented player. I know the decision to draft him has been questioned by a number of people, but it’s such an important position in our league that investing future assets at the position. . . . They said the same thing when we drafted Aaron.”

But Favre wasn’t coming off back-to-back MVP seasons when the Packers handed the job to Rodgers. Rodgers is. If Rodgers decides to play beyond 2022, Love’s future could be elsewhere.

But no one in the Packers organization or with any other team knows exactly what Love is.

“It’s up to Jordan to take advantage of the opportunities that he does have,” Murphy said.

62 responses to “Mark Murphy: We think Jordan Love can be a good player, but we haven’t seen enough

  1. I hate to say it, but I think the Packers already know he is a bust and are pumping him up to try and get whatever they can for him. They are in a bad situation with this pick because they will never know if he is good before they need to let him walk.

  2. He was so bad 2 years ago they didn’t even let him throw a pass in the preseason. Let that sink in.

  3. Fact: Packers made a mistake drafting Jordan Love over Tee Higgins. That ill-fated decision cost them a trip to last year’s NFC championship game. Period. End of story.

  4. It takes time to see what players can do, even more so at the QB position as there are always going to be growing pains.

    Gute has done a VERY good job drafting, especially in the first two rounds so if he saw something he liked, I would trust him more than most of the knee jerk reactions and arm chair gms basing it off of a single start.

  5. The league’s moved on since Rodgers sat for three years behind Favre. Teams drafting rookie QB’s in the first round will start them right away to maximise the financial benefits of their rookie deals as well as being able to see what they have before offering a new contract. Although if you ask me Rodgers will stay there long enough to see off any chance of Love becoming the starter and any possibility of him having an NFL career will be elsewhere.

  6. And they still won’t know, thanks to Rodgers’ extended contract. Time played during a pre-season ain’t going to show them enough.

  7. Rodgers is going to be around longer than Love’s rookie contract… if GB want’s to get anything in return the preseason and games are important.

  8. It’s a shame because if he showed the flashes of greatness he showed in college, the Packers would’ve felt confident enough to drop Aaron. But since he only showed he could be good enough to possibly run an offense at best, the Packers had to cave in to the demands of a madman and are now beholden to Rodgers for years.

  9. If Love was any good, they wouldn’t be shelling out $50M per season for a PITA.

  10. Justin Jefferson might have come in handy for Rodgers… taken two spots after Love. Pack is gaslighting us and maybe themselves with the preposterous Favre comparison. Rodgers is the only thing holding this team together, and even with him they just may be about to burst at the seams. Love is a nearly worthless trade commodity at this point, and if Rodgers stays even one more year beyond this, they’ll get ZERO production from him through his entire contract before somebody else gets to give him a chance to play. Huge mistake.

  11. Give me a freaking break. This guy has tremendous potential. His lone start and 6-point loss was an unexpected primetime contest against Mahomes, on the road, against a SuperBowl caliber defense, while being blitzed 68% of the time. Cut him some slack. All he needs is as much time to observe and learn as Rodgers did. I’m not saying he’ll be as good as Rodgers, because there’s no way to know that yet. I’m saying he deserves no less than the time Rodgers got, and that’s one more year watching and learning from the best…….just like Rodgers did. It a blessing to give a talented QB this indoctrination. Most teams throw their “savior” to the wolves too soon and with a team struggling to break .500. That’s not the case in Green Bay. This kid will be good, mark my words. He’s a stud athlete and he’s being trained to be an NFL quarterback, and this is how you do it.

  12. I disagree. In addition to the game time you reference, the Packers have seen Love in two entire training camps and had him playing scout team QB at practice for two entire seasons. My guess is that they know exactly what they have since Rodgers showed much more promise in his time doing those same tasks in his early years. Murphy is saying nice things now hoping against hope that somebody bites and he can get a low round draft pick for Love in this draft.

  13. I know the decision to draft him has been questioned by a number of people, but it’s such an important position in our league that investing future assets at the position. . .

    It was a dumb decision to invest a 1st round selection in a position that wasnt even close to being a need .. Rodgers won 2 more league MVP’s after that pick.. to make matters worse the Eagles got a better QB in Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round that year.

  14. The Packers absolutely do know. We all know. He’s not what they thought they drafted. Now they’ll sit on him until his contract expires, try to minimize the criticism and let him quietly go away. I had hoped he’d at least be serviceable, but in the time he was given, he looked lost and overwhelmed. Good thing AR is signed to another long term deal while we start from scratch on an eventual replacement.

  15. Murphy is right. No one knows. But I’m always willing to give Packers scouting and coaching the benefit of the doubt.

  16. Hell outside of a Rodgers injury you’ll never know how good he is. That was one of the dumbest moves of all time to trade up for a QB smh.

  17. So essentially, the Pack traded up in the first for a bench warmer? Horrible move.

  18. They’ll play the hell out of him in preseaspn to pump what little trade value he has, then ship him out before they have to pay him non-rookie money to sit.

  19. Love has appeared in six games with one start (that did not go well) and has thrown 62 passes with two touchdowns and three interceptions.
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    Anyone who was paying attention to that KC game knows that Jordan was playing under extreme conditions. He had only a couple of days to prepare. The crowd noise at Arrowhead was unbelievable. Any reserve would have had a difficult day under those conditions.

  20. trade him for a WR. Am i the only one saying this? Draft a schlub this year and get some help for the grumpy millionaire qb. AR’s head has to be spinning…..trading adams away, losing others to FA. Now he has nothing.

  21. You thought the Packers were going to hand the QB job to Love THIS season? Nobody I know ever thought they’d give the ball to Love after an MVP season by Rodgers…unless Rodgers wasn’t there. R-E-L-A-X.

  22. True we haven’t seen anything but keep the following 2 facts in mind. Rookie year 2020 was COVID. No off-season, no pre-season, minimal practice as 3rd string scout team. Last year he had that one start, but it was without the benefit of a single practice with the first string due to Rodgers late week no-vax scratch. On paper he’s had 2 years on bench but practically speaking just one year of standard backup role.

  23. Yes Love is talented and has the athletic ability but the QB position is the toughest in the NFL. Processing information quickly and making the proper read is crucial. I hope he progresses and has success but I am still skeptical giving his high INT totals in college.

  24. The Packers were willing to part with Favre because they had Rodgers. With the Packers giving Rodgers a ridiculous new contract that says volumes about what they think about Jordan Love. If Love was ready to go, or contribute at all, the Packers would have traded Rodgers. I look for them to move on from Love around draft time.

  25. He looked absolutely wretched in the regular season game I watched. Just awful. It’s not much to go on, but it’s all there is to judge him by, at this point.

  26. Wow, talk about one of the worst draft picks of all time. Nothing even comes close.
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    You forgot Christian Ponder.

  27. Love’s start against the Chiefs was a disaster. And this was when the Chiefs were in a free fall. They know he is horrible. Cut bait and get a 5th rounder.

  28. EZWriter says:
    April 11, 2022 at 10:52 pm
    Justin Jefferson might have come in handy for Rodgers… taken two spots after Love. Pack is gaslighting us and maybe themselves with the preposterous Favre comparison. Rodgers is the only thing holding this team together, and even with him they just may be about to burst at the seams. Love is a nearly worthless trade commodity at this point, and if Rodgers stays even one more year beyond this, they’ll get ZERO production from him through his entire contract before somebody else gets to give him a chance to play. Huge mistake.

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    Jefferson was taken 22nd. Love was taken 26th. 4 spots AFTER.

    Gutekunst wanted Jefferson. He also wanted Aiyuk. If either of them had been there, they would have been the pick. They were both gone and there wasn’t another receiver anywhere near there on the Packers’ draft board. So Gutekunst made the possibly ill fated decision to move up and grab Love.

  29. The Packer fans defending Love for being thrown into the fire in KC (after a full season and a half in the offense) are the first to rip rookie Justin Fields when he was thrust into a much worse situation with a completely inept playcaller in Nagy.

  30. harryhodag says:
    April 12, 2022 at 8:30 am
    The Packers were willing to part with Favre because they had Rodgers. With the Packers giving Rodgers a ridiculous new contract that says volumes about what they think about Jordan Love. If Love was ready to go, or contribute at all, the Packers would have traded Rodgers. I look for them to move on from Love around draft time.
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    This is a totally different front office from the time of the Brett/AR situation. AR’s contract says absolutely nothing about what the Packers think Jordan. Any team would be nuts to not sign a back-to-back MVP to a contract extension, regardless of who is the second string QB.

  31. Love em or hate em, the Packers do handle the QB position better than any team out there. Most teams wait until they’re positively screwed before trying to find a QB of the future. Packers have never hesitated in adding to the QB position even when they seemingly don’t need to. Trading a 1st-round pick to get Favre when they already had Don Majkowski, who was just coming off a Pro-Bowl season. Spending a 1st round pick to get Aaron Rodgers when Favre was coming off a Pro-Bowl season. Spending a 1st-round pick to get Jordan Love when they were coming off a 13-3 NFC Championship-appearance season. It pains me that a lot of flukey unlucky plays have contributed to GB not getting more SBs in the era of Favre/Rodgers, but SBs are very hard, even when you seemingly have all the odds in your favor. And let’s not forget we’ve developed some other solid QBs as well [Matt Hasselbeck, Ty Detmer, Kurt Warner, etc] that have gone on to start for other teams, and won Superbowls.

  32. easygoer says:
    April 11, 2022 at 11:30 pm
    I disagree. In addition to the game time you reference, the Packers have seen Love in two entire training camps and had him playing scout team QB at practice for two entire seasons.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The entire preseason in 2020 was cancelled due to Covid. The Packers saw ZERO of Love that year, like it didn’t take place. In effect Love saw very limited action last year, nearly none. Rodgers had three full, regular seasons to become acclimated. Love barely has one. Now do you see my point? A determination cannot be made, good or bad. Be patient. You’ll see.

  33. I had the impression that teams trade up in the first round to draft a player they *know* *is* a good player, not “think” they “can be” a good player.

    There are no guarantees in life, but watching the Packers stalling out just one playmaker shy of beating the Bucs in the playoffs last year, I think they make and potentially win the SB if they had drafted a receiver instead.

    It’s not Love’s fault they picked him, but not drafting a first-round receiver for 20 years is a really severe indictment of this team’s management.

  34. Seriously, all of these apologists for Love. He was drafted in the 1st round. The Packers traded UP in the first round to get him. Zero excuses. It was a bad decision for the Packers as bad as Trubisky was for Chicago and as bad as Erasmus James and Troy Williamson was for the Vikings. This happens all the time. Good grief, what makes it worse is Green Bay had just lost an NFC title Game and have Aaron Rodgers on the roster. You cannot compare the two situations i.e. Favre/Rodgers in 2005. When Rodgers fell to GB in the 2005 draft a LOT expected him to go top 3-5 in first round. WAY too much value to pass up. Love was intriguing but NOBODY I saw compared him with Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, or Tua Tagovailoa.

  35. “It’s up to Jordan to take advantage of the opportunities that he does have,” Murphy said.
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    Ah, sure. It’s all on the player, the team has no impact on his success. They’re already pre-scapegoating Love so that they can blame him when he doesn’t replace Rodgers.

  36. ariani1985 says:
    April 11, 2022 at 10:11 pm
    Wow, talk about one of the worst draft picks of all time. Nothing even comes close.
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    Ever heard of a guy by the name of Ryan Leaf?

  37. And let’s not forget we’ve developed some other solid QBs as well [Matt Hasselbeck, Ty Detmer, Kurt Warner, etc] that have gone on to start for other teams, and won Superbowls.

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    Developed Kurt Warner? Wow in those 2 days of camp when he got zero reps? Or Matt Hasselbeck with his 29 passes attempted in 2 seasons of no starts? Ty Detmer with his total of 7 games dressing and his 21 pass attempts in 2 years? LOL.

  38. Not every team can hit on their first round draft picks every year like we did with Laquan Treadwell, Christian Ponder, and Dimetrius Underwood.

  39. It’s not Love’s fault , but drafting him probably cost the Packers a great chance of a championship and Superbowl. Put that wasted pick to use asssting Rodgers and you would have a great chance. Oh , and he is undoubtedly a bust. Pack are just trying to talk up his value

  40. BUST !!
    That’s what they said about Aaron Rodgers in 2007 while backing up Favre.

  41. Now click your heels three times, Murphy, and say, “There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.”

  42. The Packers had the No.1 ranked offense the season following the Jordan Love draft. Stop saying the Packers “needed” a WR. I’ll repeat……the No.1 ranked offense. Not getting it done falls on Rodgers more than not drafting a WR.

  43. maxtheshoe says:
    April 12, 2022 at 1:37 am

    this reads, “we think he’s a bust”

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    If they thought he was a bust, they’d release him. Roster spots are too valuable. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that.

  44. cheeseisfattening says:
    April 12, 2022 at 3:55 pm
    Saddled with a bust
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    In your case I assume that means you’re personally burdened with man-boobs?

  45. People questioned the Rodgers pick because they had Favre. No one question his talent. For a lot of the lead up to the draft it was “who’s going to go #1 Smith or Rodgers”. The Packers stole a high end QB in that draft. They traded up to get a guy some people thought would be available much later and who had (and still has) huge question marks. No one thought Rodgers would fall to where he was picked. This is a huge difference.

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