Even if Colts had made playoffs, Carson Wentz may not have been back

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It’s easy to assume that if the Colts had simply beaten the Jaguars in Week 18 of the 2021 season and qualified for the playoffs, the Colts would have kept quarterback Carson Wentz. That assumption quite possibly would be incorrect.

“I think we still would’ve had some hard discussions,” G.M. Chris Ballard said during a Wednesday visit to #PFTPM. “Just the way we played down the stretch, and we knew we needed to make some improvements in that area. The one thing I think [owner] Jim [Irsay] and I and [coach] Frank [Reich] are when we know something’s not a good fit, don’t just try to justify it. Let’s move forward. We all knew we were going to get egg on our face. That is what it is, but at the end of the day it’s about doing the right thing for the organization. I think even if we would’ve ended up in the playoffs, we would’ve had some hard discussions going forward.”

The candor is surprising, and impressive. It speaks to the deeper issues with which the Colts dealt in 2021. It also shows a willingness to admit a mistake and move on, instead of doubling down and potentially making things worse.

It couldn’t have gotten much worse for the Colts than it did in losing to the Jaguars, a team that wasn’t really playing for anything in the last game of the year.

‘I mean it stung, I’m not going to lie to you,” Ballard said. “I went into a dark place, too. I’ll tell you what losing does, and especially the way it happened. It really makes you take a hard look at everything you’re doing and probably makes some harder decisions that you might not have made. So really evaluating everything we’re doing from top to bottom. It’s a prideful group. It’s a prideful organization. An owner that really wants to win. An organization that wants to win. We think we have a good football team and needed some change and needed some tweaks. We think we were able to do good work this offseason to get us moving back in the right direction.”

It helped to have Matt Ryan fall into their laps. Ballard said they didn’t panic, they opted to be patient, and it all worked out. Ryan, the 2016 NFL MVP, could be exactly the difference maker the Colts need. But for their willingness to move on from Wentz, they wouldn’t have been in position to land Ryan.

38 responses to “Even if Colts had made playoffs, Carson Wentz may not have been back

  1. Watching his backup Nick Foles take the Philadelphia Eagles to and win the super bowl(and SB MVP)…completely broke Carson Wentz. He hasn’t been the same since.

  2. Unexpected prediction….Matt Ryan struggles immensely in Indianapolis while Carson Wentz gets Washington to the playoffs and finds a way to advance.

    I think this move overall blows up in Indy’s face. The only thing going for Indy is the Nashville media seems determined to drive a rift between Tennessee and Ryan Tannehill.

  3. What an absolute waste of a year and of the capital to get him. Wentz set back a incredible ascension by the Colts franchise.

  4. They must have really hated him to diss him like that after he’s out the door.

  5. I think Matt Ryan is going to surprise some people. He has never had a RB behind him like JT. He will have an immense weight off shoulders unlike any other point in his career. Wentz on the other hand is a question mark. Even if he performs in Washington the Colts will still not regret unloading him of it was a locker room move.

  6. GoodellMustGo says:
    May 5, 2022 at 7:47 pm
    Peyton Manning is the best QB of this era. Hands down.

    You spelled “Tom Brady” wrong

  7. This has Irsay written all over it. And he’s making Ballard and Reich say it was a group decision. And who’s to blame when Ryan stumbles?

  8. To have those thoughts is one thing. To publicly express those thoughts this far down the road demonstrates a weak character and a lack of class.

    I am not impressed.

  9. Reich failed completely. He knew what player he was getting and failed to motivate him enough …

  10. Amazing how much honesty stands out in a field so often filled with lies being peddled.

  11. Despite having a good offensive line and a dominant running game…well if you look at Wentz passing stats they seem decent..

    But–his QB rating was mediocre (like 75) from a CLEAN pocket. Most quality QBs have a much higher QB rating from a clean pocket. That indicates when given time to scan the field and make plays–he wasn’t.

    It also doesn’t help Wentz didn’t show up for the 2 biggest games of the year for the team. He played lousy against the Jaguars.

    Despite his own struggles, when you look at Jalen Hurts stats and adjust wins above average, he had a better season than Wentz. Heck, his team actually MADE the playoffs, and still got the Colts #1 pick–which they were able to trade around with the Saints and landed AJ brown.

  12. The real issue was his play didn’t outweigh his vaccination status. Right or wrong, whether you believe in getting vaccinated or not, the rules were stricter for those that didn’t and he paid the price during the season.

    The Colts were surely embarrassed (as likely were the Packers) and to couple that with abysmal play down the stretch and you can see why they weren’t going to run it back with him.

    It seems to be unpopular around here to talk about vaxx, however you can’t be blind to the fact that remaining unvaxxed despite the requirement, and with the extra penalties meant that you weren’t seen as a “team player”. Right or wrong, it can be guaranteed that top brass in Indy had to answer constant questions regarding that AND his poor play AND the draft capital they gave up to get him.

    He had to go. Ryan is a way better choice and I hope he gets a chance to prove it.

  13. Revisionist history at it’s best. Wentz takes team to playoffs and they are overlooking any perceived faults and hoping he continues to improve in year 2. They were right to get rid of him, but don’t act like you saw it coming.

  14. Wentz is a convenient scapegoat but he didn’t give up 26 to Jacksonville

  15. ‘I mean it stung, I’m not going to lie to you,” Ballard said. “I went into a dark place, too. I’ll tell you what losing does, and especially the way it happened…”

    REMINDED ME OF THIS QUOTE: Every time you lose you die a little bit. You die inside…a portion of you. Not all of your organs. Maybe just your liver. — George Allen

  16. I think Carson Wentz is the problem. The Eagles and now the Colts have kicked him to the curb. Does anyone really think he will be better in Washington?

  17. The stats for Wentz last year really are pretty impressive — 27 TDs, seven picks. Now PFF ranks the Colts’ front line 30th last year in pass protection. So, give Wentz more credit for even putting the Colts in position to reach the playoffs. Remember, he had COVID and did not practice the week before the Raiders game. It took a league change in COVID policy that week to allow him to play, and the Colts lost 23-20. The loss to the Jaguars was a total team collapse — even Jonathan Taylor was held to 77 yards. Bottom line: I would have given Wentz another season with Indy, but no one seems to have specifics about why he “wasn’t a fit for us.” Chris Ballard said once, “Make the layups” — the easy plays. Fine, but don’t assassinate his leadership skills or his character once he’s out the door.

  18. lonespeed says:
    May 5, 2022 at 7:54 pm
    Unexpected prediction….Matt Ryan struggles immensely in Indianapolis while Carson Wentz gets Washington to the playoffs and finds a way to advance.

    I think this move overall blows up in Indy’s face. The only thing going for Indy is the Nashville media seems determined to drive a rift between Tennessee and Ryan Tannehill.

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    That’s some really optimistic thinking considering Washington couldn’t even get any QBs to even consider coming there. That’s why they paid the draft picks because given a choice even Carson Wentz would be running far away from Washington.

  19. They keep putting all the blame on Wentz, yet looking at their games, it was clearly a total team collapse, his last year in Philly, well that O-line was terrible and why they inserted Hurts for his running ability. But back to Indy, that O-line was one of the best in run blocking but one of the worst in pass protection.

  20. Why don’t they just leave the man alone ? They will be talking about Matt Ryan the same way this time next year.

  21. GoodellMustGo says:
    May 5, 2022 at 7:47 pm
    Peyton Manning is the best QB of this era. Hands down

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    Then why did he have 9 on-and-done exits from the postseason?

  22. I think the Colts expect Matt Ryan will be like Philip Rivers, but even so, what’s that get them? A one and done in the playoffs? Congrats Indy.

  23. hendawg21 says:
    May 6, 2022 at 8:14 am
    They keep putting all the blame on Wentz, yet looking at their games, it was clearly a total team collapse, his last year in Philly, well that O-line was terrible and why they inserted Hurts for his running ability. But back to Indy, that O-line was one of the best in run blocking but one of the worst in pass protection.
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    Let us all know what excuse you’ll be making for Wentz after this season. I’ll help you out; lack of leadership; tunnel vision.

  24. GoodellMustGo says:
    May 5, 2022 at 7:47 pm
    Peyton Manning is the best QB of this era. Hands down.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Manning is the football-smartest, without a doubt.

    Aaron Rodgers is the best thrower of the football.

    And Tom Brady is a better QB then both of ’em.

    As a Packer fan that grew up idolizing Bart Starr, it pains me to say that but it’s time we all stop fighting it and give Brady his due. He’s not a man, he’s a machine.

  25. It seems to me like Irsay wanted Wentz out because of his anti-mask/anti-vaccine stance. Although, that is against the law to fire someone for taking that stand, I get where Irsay is coming from. Those types are a risk to the rest of the people in the building.

  26. “And who’s to blame when Ryan stumbles?”
    _________

    Wentz struggled at key times, too. Ryan might also but at least they made a tough decision and moved on. Wentz is a trap: He’s not terrible and at times is even quite good but there’s always going to be a big game where he throws some horrific pick 6 or simply never shows up. He’ll have some good games and put up some big numbers but he’ll never be in your ring of honor plus it sounds like it takes an incredible amount of ego stoking in the background just to keep him functioning. He defines “addition by subtraction.”

  27. Funny….McNabb went 2nd overall to the Eagles and ended up on three teams in three years…so did Wentz

    #historyrepeatsitself

  28. I thought it was pretty obvious, reading between the lines of what was reported, that there was a disagreement among the Irsay/Ballard/Reich triumvirate about whether to keep Wentz or move on. Reich was in favor of staying with Wentz ( naive, but in character for him). Ballard rode the fence, but I got the feeling he would have been ok staying with him for another year. Irsay was adamant about getting Wentz out of there. In this case the non football guy was right, and since he signs the paychecks of the other two, guess who won. I learned from the Wentz situation that touchdowns, interceptions and QBR do NOT always paint an accurate picture of a quarterback’s performance. Wentz had some good games and a fair number of mediocre to crappy games which is generally not a good way to get to the playoffs, let alone advance. Again please watch Kurt Warner’s YouTube evaluation of Wentz’s play in the Jacksonville game. It is true that there were other problems the Colts had ; for example the Ravens game where Wentz played well but Ballard’s failure to sign competent backups at corner and safety led to a second half of massive defensive collapse. But when all was said and done Wentz’s play over the course of the season was a big factor in where the team ended up and Irsay was right to cut his losses and move on.

  29. Why does the media feel the need to fall in line with everything irsay says and does? We all know this is BS. Trading Wentz was a distraction from the poor roster construction and general ineptitude of mgmt. They put together a bad roster,had the media call it a contender and when it collapsed they needed a scapegoat. They are doing it again this year and they’ll probably blame Wentz again and the media will eat it up.

  30. Justin hisler says:
    May 6, 2022 at 11:13 am
    Why does the media feel the need to fall in line with everything irsay says and does? We all know this is BS. Trading Wentz was a distraction from the poor roster construction and general ineptitude of mgmt. They put together a bad roster,had the media call it a contender and when it collapsed they needed a scapegoat. They are doing it again this year and they’ll probably blame Wentz again and the media will eat it up.

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    For whatever reason the media love Ballard even though the Colts have done nothing since Peyton left, even despite having Andrew Luck fall into their lap.

  31. People saying that Indy O-Line was bad at pass protection: that’s because Wentz holds onto the ball way too long. It has always been an issue for him, even in 2017 during his 11-2 stretch with the Eagles. The difference then was that he had 2 good knees and could escape the pocket and make something happen. He can’t do that anymore. Do the math.

  32. It’s a copycat league and the Colts are assuming that they are just like the Rams in 2020, and all it will take is a Veteran QB to put them over the top. Tough for lightning to strike twice that same way.

  33. @Justin Hisler. I’m not going to argue about Ballard’s roster construction because I agree it’s caused the Colts problems. But if you don’t think Wentz was a problem last year, don’t take my word for it, watch the Kurt Warner YouTube video. Add to that Wentz’s lack of self awareness and apparent belief that nothing he did needed to be changed and it’s clear moving on was the right thing.

  34. Irsay overreacted to the loss and blamed Wentz, now Ballard is saying what his boss wants him to say because he wants to keep his job. Even if you believe Wentz chocked and cost them the playoffs, does it make sense to replace him with the QB of the team that chocked on a 28 point lead costing them a Super Bowl? Seriously, which is the bigger chock?

  35. People complaining about Ballards roster building are people who don’t know anything about the Colts.

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