Josh McDaniels: I’m not Bill Belichick and I can’t be, I’m just going to be myself

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New Raiders coach Josh McDaniels owes much of his career to Bill Belichick, who was his boss in New England for a total of 18 years over two stints with the Patriots. But McDaniels says that he knows he can’t run his team the exact same way that Belichick has run the Patriots for more than two decades.

“I’m not Bill [Belichick] and I can’t be. I’m just going to try to be myself and hopefully I can be a good leader for our team,” McDaniels said.

This is McDaniels’ second head-coaching job. The first one, in Denver, did not go well, and he was fired midway through his second season. McDaniels said he’s been waiting for the right fit to become a head coach again.

“I’ve been looking forward to an opportunity like this for a couple years now and I’m so blessed to have the staff that we have and the group that we have working, and the support staff that we have around me,” said McDaniels. “They make my job easy. I’m just trying to keep us on schedule and on time and those kind of things, but I couldn’t say enough things about the staff here. The strength and conditioning guys, the trainers, the equipment people that make this thing go – they do a tremendous job. Then our coaching staff is doing a great job. They’re here real early, they’re here late at night making sure all the information is prepared. I feel like I’ve learned a lot. I feel like it’s slowed down for me, for sure. Doesn’t mean anything at this point in time of the year, doesn’t have any bearing on what’s going to happen down the road, but definitely feel a comfort level now in terms of understanding what my role is and how to do it better.”

Belichick’s assistants have not had a great track record as head coaches, and that includes McDaniels in Denver. He’s hoping that Las Vegas will be different, even as he differentiates himself from Belichick.

119 responses to “Josh McDaniels: I’m not Bill Belichick and I can’t be, I’m just going to be myself

  1. Once again acting the immature punk he always has been. Sorry LV this isn’t going to work.

  2. I don’t care what anybody says. Go back and look at the drafts and acquisitions he made. John Elway gets all the credit, but McDaniels helped shape that little Broncos dynasty more than people seem to want to acknowledge. It didn’t show under him, but some of his head scratching moves worked out. Here’s hoping a little hindsight and a lot of maturing produces better results while he’s got the reigns. I’ll be rooting for him this time around.

  3. As long as he doesn’t trade both Carr and Adams Week 1 he’ll be fine.

  4. “Belichick’s assistants have not had a great track record as head coaches, and that includes McDaniels in Denver.”

    I guess you can also point out that Belichick doesn’t have a great record as a head coach without Brady. Belichick is 70-79 overall without Brady and 29-58 against teams with a . 500 winning percentage or better.

  5. Just remember to put the drain plug in before you launch the boat this time fool.

  6. I’ll laugh if McDaniels gets Kaepernick signed and plays.

    Same McDaniels that drafted Tebow in the first round so if anyone would do that it’s him. Lol

  7. This argument of Belichick needing Brady is way overdone. The first 3 Super Bowls the Patriot’s won Brady was not the polished Brady of recent years. And Belichick taught and met extensively with Brady every week to mold him into the winning QB he became.

  8. McDaniels “being himself” worked out great for Denver and Indianapolis.

  9. zandrew says:
    May 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    This argument of Belichick needing Brady is way overdone. The first 3 Super Bowls the Patriot’s won Brady was not the polished Brady of recent years. And Belichick taught and met extensively with Brady every week to mold him into the winning QB he became.
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    Brady has won everywhere he’s played including a Superbowl without B.B. Bill, not so much.

  10. Zandrew,

    With the cheap squad Belichick gave to Brady, especially the squad before, no other QB would be able to do what Brady did, like scoring 24 or more in back to back playoff games.

    So no SB for Patriots with any other QB, no matter how much credits you want to give to Belichick.

  11. A Belichick assistant is the most successful college coach in history. So let’s give him some credit.

  12. I hope JM does well in LV. I will, however, never forget the belly laugh of seeing him in Denver with the cut off sleeves, ala BB.

  13. buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 2:09 pm
    zandrew says:
    May 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    This argument of Belichick needing Brady is way overdone. The first 3 Super Bowls the Patriot’s won Brady was not the polished Brady of recent years. And Belichick taught and met extensively with Brady every week to mold him into the winning QB he became.
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    Brady has won everywhere he’s played including a Superbowl without B.B. Bill, not so much.

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    Belichick won two Super Bowls with the Giants as a DC. His game plan for the game against the Bills is in the HOF. As a head coach he built a staff that became the Ravens, a team that was competing at the highest level for 20 years. BB was responsible for a trade down that became the Ray Lewis pick.

    Yes, Belichick lost some games in Cleveland, but he really built a great foundation that continued for a long time.

    In 2000 when he came to NE he did the same thing.

    Would he have won any of the Super Bowls without Brady? Who knows. It obviously is very important to have an elite QB to win even 1 Super Bowl and to win many you have to have the very best QB. Brady was an essential part. However, so were the other 52 guys. Brady would not be Brady without Drafting Gronk and developing Edeleman for example. Brady is still with Gronk to this day. Belichick did that. He took a risk on a guy with a ridiculous injury history and he became the greatest player at his position in history.

    Yes, Brady won in Tampa. He’s the greatest QB ever and he went to a very talented team and helped to bring in some other key talented players. That was a winning formula.

    Meanwhile after only 1 year of missing the playoffs, BB competed for the division during a big part of the year in 2021 and made the playoffs with a rookie QB. Pretty amazing. And when you compare the Tampa roster with the NE roster, are there any players on the NE offense that would have made the Tampa roster at the start of the season? Maybe one or two if any.

    Belichick is incredible and so is Brady. Counting wins and losses and Super Bowls doesn’t do either of them justice, or the many great players that that have been around them.

  14. Bullcharger,

    Gianta had top 10 offense in 1986 with a RB of 1500 yards.

    In 1990 season playoff, Parcel’s offense played 39 minutes against 49ers in NFCCG and 40 plus minutes against Bills in SB.

    Consider that Parcel gave Belichick everything a DC could ask for, please why Belichick deserves so much credita for Giants 2 SB.

  15. Would he have won any of the SB without Brady?

    +++++++++++

    The answer is ZERO. All you have to do is to check how many QB out of 14 QBs in last playoff were able to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.

  16. If Belichick left and Brady stayed the haters would claim it was all Belichick and the Patriots success is over.

    The psychology is transparent.

  17. I love how people keep referencing Denver. Josh had total control over the Broncos roster. Ziegler has final say over the roster in Vegas. McDaniels coaches and Ziegler picks the roster. These two situations are not the same.

  18. GoodellMustGo says:
    May 27, 2022 at 1:47 pm
    I’ll laugh if McDaniels gets Kaepernick signed and plays.

    Same McDaniels that drafted Tebow in the first round so if anyone would do that it’s him. Lol
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    He also drafted Demetrius Thomas in the 1st round before Tebow. You remember Thomas, he would go on to rush for over 1,300 yards for four consecutive seasons.

  19. bullcharger says:
    May 27, 2022 at 2:35 pm
    buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 2:09 pm
    zandrew says:
    May 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    This argument of Belichick needing Brady is way overdone. The first 3 Super Bowls the Patriot’s won Brady was not the polished Brady of recent years. And Belichick taught and met extensively with Brady every week to mold him into the winning QB he became.
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    Brady has won everywhere he’s played including a Superbowl without B.B. Bill, not so much.

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    Belichick won two Super Bowls with the Giants as a DC. His game plan for the game against the Bills is in the HOF. As a head coach he built a staff that became the Ravens, a team that was competing at the highest level for 20 years. BB was responsible for a trade down that became the Ray Lewis pick.

    Yes, Belichick lost some games in Cleveland, but he really built a great foundation that continued for a long time.

    In 2000 when he came to NE he did the same thing.

    Would he have won any of the Super Bowls without Brady? Who knows. It obviously is very important to have an elite QB to win even 1 Super Bowl and to win many you have to have the very best QB. Brady was an essential part. However, so were the other 52 guys. Brady would not be Brady without Drafting Gronk and developing Edeleman for example. Brady is still with Gronk to this day. Belichick did that. He took a risk on a guy with a ridiculous injury history and he became the greatest player at his position in history.

    Yes, Brady won in Tampa. He’s the greatest QB ever and he went to a very talented team and helped to bring in some other key talented players. That was a winning formula.

    Meanwhile after only 1 year of missing the playoffs, BB competed for the division during a big part of the year in 2021 and made the playoffs with a rookie QB. Pretty amazing. And when you compare the Tampa roster with the NE roster, are there any players on the NE offense that would have made the Tampa roster at the start of the season? Maybe one or two if any.

    Belichick is incredible and so is Brady. Counting wins and losses and Super Bowls doesn’t do either of them justice, or the many great players that that have been around them.

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    You make some good points about Belechick’s accomplishments that would sound impressive for him in a job interview for a head coaching position. Giving Belechick credit while coaching under Bill Parcells is a bit of a stretch. Giving him credit for trading up or down is usually the job of G.M. The Bills went to four straight Superbowls under Marv Levi but I don’t remember who the coordinators were. Does Eric Bieniemy get credit for Mahomes’s and K.C’s success? Brian Daboll for Josh Allen’s success? Daboll’s now on the clock with the Giants. Belechick’s on the clock without Brady.

  20. Just a little education for the uninformed:

    Belichick coached defenses in the 1986 and 1990 SBowl wins:
    Giants 49 SF 3
    Giants 17 Wash 0
    Giants 39 Denver 20
    Giants 31 Bears 3
    Giants 15 @49ers 13. 49ers had the #2 offense in the NFL.
    Giants 20 Bills 19. The Giants won with their backup QB. 2 of the Bills points were from a safety. Bills had the #1 offense in the NFL. The K-Gun was a hurry up, no huddle offense, which did not help TOP. Giants forced the Bills to punt 6x.

    This is why Belichick is a defensive genius and the game plan is in the HOF. He cemented that reputation during the Pats 20 year dynasty. Hope that helps.

  21. Is there a more meaningless point in the history of the universe than scoring 24 points in back to back playoff games?

  22. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 5:13 pm
    Just a little education for the uninformed:

    Belichick coached defenses in the 1986 and 1990 SBowl wins:
    Giants 49 SF 3
    Giants 17 Wash 0
    Giants 39 Denver 20
    Giants 31 Bears 3
    Giants 15 @49ers 13. 49ers had the #2 offense in the NFL.
    Giants 20 Bills 19. The Giants won with their backup QB. 2 of the Bills points were from a safety. Bills had the #1 offense in the NFL. The K-Gun was a hurry up, no huddle offense, which did not help TOP. Giants forced the Bills to punt 6x.

    This is why Belichick is a defensive genius and the game plan is in the HOF. He cemented that reputation during the Pats 20 year dynasty. Hope that helps.
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    Game plan in the Hall of Fame? I need to go to Canton to see that for myself. As I recall the game plan that was successful against the Bills was to run the football, use up the clock and keep the K-gun off the field. It was effective because the Bills defense couldn’t stop the run. Can’t remember the Giant’s running back but he out gained HOFer Thurman Thomas.

  23. Giving Belechick credit while coaching under Bill Parcells is a bit of a stretch
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    Is it?

    Parcells is literally a losing coach without Belichick on his staff. He is below .500 as a head coach without Belichick.

    In other words take Belichick away from Tuna’s career and you’re left with a poor man’s Dave Wannstedt. Truth hurts 🙂

  24. Yeah, Bill’s defensive gameplan is in the HOF. It says, “play LT”. It’s much like his Pats ganeplans that said, “play Brady”, lol.

  25. It was effective because the Bills defense couldn’t stop the run.
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    Not sure if you mean just the game or that season. The 1990 Bills were close to a top 5 run defense in yards allowed per rush that season. They didn’t have the best run defense in the league but it was still good.

    It wasn’t that unusual that those Giants slowed down the Bills like they did. I think I recall they did the same thing to Joe Montana and Jerry Rice in the NFCCG.

  26. Umm, Bill Belichick made Tom Brady.

    For those of you in diapers in 2001, crack an NFL history book.

  27. Game plan in the Hall of Fame? I need to go to Canton to see that for myself.

    No need, just Google it. The Giants RB was Otis Anderson. The Giants were begging the Bills to run the FB. Belichick famously said that if TThomas ran for over 100 yrds, we win.

    Bill Parcells is a bona fide NFL HOFer. Well deserved. He took many teams out of the scrap heap, and made them contenders. This dumb game about losing records without this or that great player is just that: DUMB. Parcells was .500 for the Pats. When he got there they were a laughingstock. When he left, they were in the Super Bowl.

  28. He also drafted Demetrius Thomas in the 1st round before Tebow. You remember Thomas, he would go on to rush for over 1,300 yards for four consecutive seasons.
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    That’s not really a reason to pick Tebow in the first round. Just saying if he did something like that already then who knows.

  29. touchback6 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 5:46 pm

    Umm, Bill Belichick made Tom Brady.

    For those of you in diapers in 2001, crack an NFL history book.

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    You have it backwards. BB was a failure until he lucked out drafting the GOAT, and he’s been mediocre since he left. That’s what the history books say.

  30. Someone needs to be educated about how to think:

    In NFL, it is not hard to build a good offense with a good QB and spending a lot of resources on offense; it is not hard to build a good defense if the team spends a lot on defense. What is hard is to build BOTH good offense and good defense, SOMETHING BELICHICK WAS NEVER ABLE TO DO, the reason he couldn’t even win division without Brady.

    Given how much resources he had in Giants, given how much he spent on defense when with Patriots, especially before 2007, the performance of his defense was pathetic, especially in playoff.

  31. Parcells was .500 for the Pats. When he got there they were a laughingstock.
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    He also had two losing seasons out of four with the team. That along with the .500 record as I’ve argued before are reasons to keep him out of the Patriots Hall of fame.

    I think the idea that Tuna joined the team when the Patriots were a laughingstock is way overstated. Parcells wasn’t starting from zero. He did have the benefit of starting his tenure with the first overall pick of the draft. And the Patriots hadn’t fallen on hard times for that long…it was only a few years prior that they were in the Super Bowl. Fairbanks by comparison did start from nothing and built a contender.

    I do give credit to Tuna for building the foundation that let BB take over with a team on the rise and I think this is what BB has in mind too for his successor.

  32. Belichick had very little to do with making TBrady. Brady’s competitiveness, will to win and overall desire to prove himself with that chip on his shoulder is what made Brady. Belichick left the decision of who to draft in that spot to the late Dick Reibein. Coaching by Weis, McDaniels and others, as well as mechanics by THouse contributed way more to Brady’s development than BB. Belichick coached Brady hard, which was fine when he was young, but ultimately contributed to Brady having enough and wanting out. Belichick dropped the ball when he wouldn’t treat Brady like a veteran in the later years.

  33. Do those of in diaper in 2001,

    ++++++++++++(

    Are you talking about yourself?

    Go watch the SB ; Rams put on 6+ minutes drive at beginning, punted the ball and pinned Patriots at own 3 yards line. If you were not in diaper, tell us what was in your mind at that moment, honestly, dare you?

    Watch the play, figure out why Rams defender was one step too late to tackle Troy Brown for easy 1st down, because that was how Brady turned Patriots around, which had nothing to do with Belichick (otherwise you should have seen similar plays by all other Patriots QB).

  34. Bill drafts and coaches up Chad Pennington or Marc Bulger instead if Tommy and the outcome is the same. There’s no reason to think otherwise.

    Well except the cheating part only Brady did that.

  35. Not really leaning one way or another. But just wondering, would anyone actually have put that game plan in the hall of fame or remembered it if Norwood doesn’t miss a chip
    Shot in the end?

  36. I love reading the fan club begging me to respect their hero Tommy 😂

    Nope. I don’t respect cheaters.

  37. The Pats weren’t a laughingstock when Parcells arrived? How do you think they got the #1 pick? By going 2-14 the year before. The team changed ownership 3x. It was a mess. They did start from scratch. At least Parcells had the acumen to take Bledsoe instead of RMirer. It was a big controversy then.

    Pats fans that don’t want Parcells in the HOF make the excuse it’s the .500 record. No. They feel jilted about the way Parcells left. Well Kraft drove Parcells out. He was an inexperienced owner that wanted to divide the power(which he later gave to BB when he wised up). Then he let BGrier pick the players, who knows less about FB than I do.

    Parcells helped save this franchise. They were headed for St Louis. HOF all day.

  38. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 6:12 pm
    Belichick had very little to do with making TBrady. Brady’s competitiveness, will to win and overall desire to prove himself with that chip on his shoulder is what made Brady. Belichick left the decision of who to draft in that spot to the late Dick Reibein. Coaching by Weis, McDaniels and others, as well as mechanics by THouse contributed way more to Brady’s development than BB. Belichick coached Brady hard, which was fine when he was young, but ultimately contributed to Brady having enough and wanting out. Belichick dropped the ball when he wouldn’t treat Brady like a veteran in the later years.

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    Laughable. He drafted Brady. He worked with him personally and daily. All the qbs who got this treatment all have had positive success. You act like Brady was Gretzky or Jordan.

    He sent Rhebein on 2 visits. Rheiben worked for BB. Rehbein absolutely did not run BBs draft board. Ludicrous statement.

    Brady’s style of play is what BB had been looking for since 1991. It was in his scouting report and he liked what he saw and the reports Rhebein had
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    lol

    I can always tell who has a career in business and who doesn’t here.

    Who do you think told Brady about how to read defenses, giving him the answers to the test? It wasn’t Dick Rhebein. Dick Rhebein died in the summer of 2001.

    If Brady was so great and knew more than BB, why did he go in the 6th rd and why weren’t his stats better than they were almost right away?

    Did you know the reason why Brady took less money than he could have earned? He was fearful he’d be dealt away to a worse environment. Even Brady knew how has bread was buttered.

    Case closed.

    BB made Brady, helped start JimmyGs career and he’ll make Mac Jones, too.

    Real Pats fans are thrilled we are primadonna-free in NE and have a franchise QB for a decade as Brady selfishly makes a documentary a week about himself in his last year before leaving TB in a wake of destruction for years to come.

    I couldn’t be more thrilled watching Mac outperform Brady last October knowing who made who.

  39. I don’t give a hoot who respects Brady. I just consider them deranged when they don’t. Notice these types always go to cheating when they can’t make a cogent argument with facts. Meaningless

  40. The Pats weren’t a laughingstock when Parcells arrived? How do you think they got the #1 pick? By going 2-14 the year before. The team changed ownership 3x. It was a mess. They did start from scratch. At least Parcells had the acumen to take Bledsoe instead of RMirer. It was a big controversy then.

    Pats fans that don’t want Parcells in the HOF make the excuse it’s the .500 record. No. They feel jilted about the way Parcells left. Well Kraft drove Parcells out. He was an inexperienced owner that wanted to divide the power(which he later gave to BB when he wised up). Then he let BGrier pick the players, who
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    The .500 record matters a lot. That’s 8 wins a season even with the benefit of having one of the best pure passers in the league which Drew was run your offensr. I don’t think a coach that averages 8 wins a season did anything that notable. Even Carroll was better than that and nobody says Pete should be a Patriot HOFer.

    And no the franchise was not buried and dead for many years they were in the Super Bowl only a few years prior. Look at Tuna and look at Fairbanks and you tell me who really resurrected the franchise at the time when each got a chance.

    Also don’t forget how Tuna after he left actively tried to undermine the franchise- stealing Martin with a now banned poison pill contract and pretending he was only a Jets consultant so the Patriots would get no compensation. It wasn’t just the way he bailed on the team before the Super Bowl and that was bad too. In fact that was one of the worst coaching jobs I’ve ever seen in a Super Bowl. It’s almost like he meant it that way after the fallout with Kraft….🤔🚩

    I don’t think anyone is saying Tuna should not be in Canton. The pro football HOF absolutely he deserves to be in. Patriots HOF…no way.

  41. The .500 record matters a lot
    +++++++++++

    Ha, without Brady’s coaching Pats QB, Belichick’s record will be worse when he is fired.

  42. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 7:00 pm
    I don’t give a hoot who respects Brady. I just consider them deranged when they don’t. Notice these types always go to cheating when they can’t make a cogent argument with facts. Meaningless
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    The facts are what the text messages said they are. Quite clearly. And that’s disappointing. Imagine being someone who cheered for Tom all these years like me… only to find out that everything that the haters said about him was true. That hurts.

  43. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 6:38 pm
    Not really leaning one way or another. But just wondering, would anyone actually have put that game plan in the hall of fame or remembered it if Norwood doesn’t miss a chip
    Shot in the end?
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    No.

  44. What actually happened in the 2000 draft is that Grier and his staff were torn between 2 QBs in the 6th rnd. Despite already having 3 QBs on the roster, they had 2 rated about even. That was Brady and Tim Rattay. Because Belichick was hired at the end of January, they mostly used Grier’s draft board. AKlemm, etc. BB did NOT make that pick. The staff did, on the glowing recommendation of the late DRheibein.

    Belichick did NOT meet with Brady every day. It was once a week. Weis and McDaniels deserve more credit.

    Again, it wasn’t BB that had the biggest hand in developing Brady.

  45. I don’t think Brady cares about the opinions of a person who likes EVERY of his own posts.

  46. I agree with what Josh is trying to say. Patricia was the same and he wore out his welcome in Detroit. Judge to a lesser extent but he was just a bad HC. Even Bill himself in Cleveland before he had any success to let him get away with it… he too wore out his welcome.

    I think Josh recognizes that now so we’ll see what happens. He also did some pretty stupid things in Denver like drafting Tebow and taping another team’s practice. I would think he’s a much better coach now just like when Bill arrived in NE compared to his Browns days.

  47. Ambiguous text messages in the offseason(March or May) 1 time. A celebrity smashing a used cell after several leaks and offering the NFL full transcripts, which they refused. No drop off in play afterwards. Actually better. This wasn’t about Brady cheating, it became about Goodell retaining his power to punish anyone as he saw fit. Anyone naive enough to believe Brady cheated, go ahead. Amuses me, but doesn’t bother me. 7 rings

  48. Ambiguous text messages in the offseason(March or May) 1 time.
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    “The only thing deflating sun… will be his passer rating”
    “Jimmy needs some kicks… come on help the deflator”

    I don’t think there’s anything ambiguous about those texts at all…they’re quite clear to me. Except maybe only those in denial that Tommy cheated and lied to cover it up.

  49. None of the people here who claim someone developed Brady have any clue why Brady needed his receivers at exact spots at exact times (and how a coach “developed” this).

    I don’t think they can even name a play that this was crucial in Pats offense under Brady.

  50. 8 wins average for Parcells? Not even close to the point. It’s the progression. From 2-14 to the SBowl. Carroll trended the other way. Besides being a fish out of water on the East Coast, Grier was still picking the players.

    Yeah, Pats made the SBowl in ’85 and got killed. 2 days later a huge drug scandal came out and they went into a black hole.

    Like Fairbanks, but mad at Parcells? Fairbanks signed with Colorado and began recruiting before the Pats 1rst playoff game. Seriously?

    Poison pills were within the rules at the time. Why shouldn’t Parcells take advantage? To be a nice guy? Other teams did it too. Hutchinson for one.

  51. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 7:34 pm
    What actually happened in the 2000 draft is that Grier and his staff were torn between 2 QBs in the 6th rnd. Despite already having 3 QBs on the roster, they had 2 rated about even. That was Brady and Tim Rattay. Because Belichick was hired at the end of January, they mostly used Grier’s draft board. AKlemm, etc. BB did NOT make that pick. The staff did, on the glowing recommendation of the late DRheibein.

    Belichick did NOT meet with Brady every day. It was once a week. Weis and McDaniels deserve more credit.

    Again, it wasn’t BB that had the biggest hand in developing Brady.

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    There is no way on earth BB wanted to leave the Jets partially due to need of full GM control, yet he conceded that control to moron Grier who signed previous horrible deals BB inherited and players like Chris Canty and numerous other horrible draft picks. You honestly believe that?

    Look, I get your creepy man lust for metrosexual Brady goes real deep, but there is no way BB deferred to Grier at the start of his career in NE.

    You people have an illness.

  52. GoodellMustGo says:

    The facts are what the text messages said they are. Quite clearly. And that’s disappointing. Imagine being someone who cheered for Tom all these years like me… only to find out that everything that the haters said about him was true. That hurts.

    Please stop trying to pass yourself off as a Patriots fan. You’re as bad as patsfan4lifedynasty or whatever his name is.

  53. Deflator texts in the offseason when the Pats wouldn’t play a real FB game for 6 months. By morons that called themselves Dorito Dinks. Great way to make a point.

    If the supposed cheating was stopped, how can it be explained that Brady got even better, and won more Super Bowl? Including the same year. The whole thing was a bag job, and the NFL got caught. Anyone seen thebair pressure numbers yet?

  54. Belichick did not cede anything to Grier. Grier was forced out after the 2000 draft, a few months after BB was hired.

    Now go put on your Belichick onesie and have mommy tuck you in. It’s Celtics time.

  55. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 8:29 pm
    Deflator texts in the offseason when the Pats wouldn’t play a real FB game for 6 months. By morons that called themselves Dorito Dinks. Great way to make a point.

    If the supposed cheating was stopped, how can it be explained that Brady got even better, and won more Super Bowl? Including the same year. The whole thing was a bag job, and the NFL got caught. Anyone seen thebair pressure numbers yet?
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    You could’ve just saved yourself the typing time and admitted you can’t explain those texts. That’s understandable because there is no explanation that makes Tommy look good. He had a scheme in place to illegally deflate footballs. It happened. The texts say all that needs to be said. Anything he did or didn’t do after that is irrelevant. I agree he probably didn’t need to cheat but you could say that about every single sports cheater. Lance Armstrong was great. So was Barry Bonds.

    The league making a mess proving their case doesn’t change a thing. Prosecutors mess up their case in court all the time and the guilty get to walk free. Doesn’t mean they’re innocent.

    Brady = guilty.

    And I’d still love to hear an explanation from a Tommy apologist why the NFL would punish the face of the league – it’s arguably most popular player on its most premier franchise and try to hit him and his legacy with a cheating scandal for no good reason putting into question a bunch of Super Bowls for the laughs? Why would the league do that to themselves? What would they possibly have to gain by making the whole thing up?

    I’m afraid there are no good answers to this question for the Tommy apologists. 🙁

  56. tedmurph says:
    May 27, 2022 at 8:42 pm
    Belichick did not cede anything to Grier. Grier was forced out after the 2000 draft, a few months after BB was hired.

    Now go put on your Belichick onesie and have mommy tuck you in. It’s Celtics time.

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    Sounds good, little Millennial. I was going to games long before you were born.

    As I look at my framed ‘96 afc title game ticket from Jan 12, 1997.

    When BB makes Mac Jones, you’ll look like a fool in your Brady underoos and a library full of creepy Brady docs as an adult.

    Last October told us who made who.

  57. gimmeabruschi says:
    May 27, 2022 at 8:34 pm
    BB’s record against teams over .500 since Brady left? 5-13!

    Tom Brady’s career passer rating against Belichick: 70.

    Inferior to Hoyer and Tebow’s career ratings against Bill.

    Huh. Isn’t Brady supposed to be good? 😂

  58. Tom Brady’s career passer rating against Belichick: 70.

    Inferior to Hoyer and Tebow’s career ratings against Bill.

    Huh. Isn’t Brady supposed to be good?
    _____________________________________________________

    You are on record multiple times calling Peyton Manning the GOAT. Putting aside the ridiculous of that position, Peyton has a 74 passer rating in 4 SBs with 3 TDs and 5 INTs. Forgive us if we rely on our own definition of “good” 😂

  59. If I’m building a team of Football greats and had the option of only one of these two, I’d add Brady and find another coach. Who here (aside from two obvious folks) feels differently?

  60. Last October told us who made who.
    ——
    I have never seen Tommy look so shook and weak before during an after any game as we saw last October. That was remarkable.

    Only natural and intelligent conclusion to draw is Bill completely owns Tommy and he’s in his head rent free. And it’s not like I’m going to give a QB anything more than zero credit for his team winning the game when his contribution was a 70 rating. Cmon now 🙂

    #BillOwnsTommy
    #TommyFearsBill
    #TommyShakesInHisCleatsThinkingAboutBill
    #TommyDontWantNoneOfBill
    #TommyPantsStainThinkingOfBill

  61. I hate the Raiders just because of family/friend rivalry and the fact they were logistical rivals for years but, McDaniels was a good hire. He schemes up solid game plans from week to week based on opponents and he’s proven to be successful. I’m willing to bet he’ll be successful this time and learned from his mistakes in Denver

  62. JMc got the quick hook in Denver whe the league caught him cheating by illegally filming practices of upcoming opponents.

  63. buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    bullcharger says:
    May 27, 2022 at 2:35 pm
    buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    May 27, 2022 at 2:09 pm
    zandrew says:
    May 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    This argument of Belichick needing Brady is way overdone. The first 3 Super Bowls the Patriot’s won Brady was not the polished Brady of recent years. And Belichick taught and met extensively with Brady every week to mold him into the winning QB he became.
    ————————-
    Brady has won everywhere he’s played including a Superbowl without B.B. Bill, not so much.

    —————
    Belichick won two Super Bowls with the Giants as a DC. His game plan for the game against the Bills is in the HOF. As a head coach he built a staff that became the Ravens, a team that was competing at the highest level for 20 years. BB was responsible for a trade down that became the Ray Lewis pick.

    Yes, Belichick lost some games in Cleveland, but he really built a great foundation that continued for a long time.

    In 2000 when he came to NE he did the same thing.

    Would he have won any of the Super Bowls without Brady? Who knows. It obviously is very important to have an elite QB to win even 1 Super Bowl and to win many you have to have the very best QB. Brady was an essential part. However, so were the other 52 guys. Brady would not be Brady without Drafting Gronk and developing Edeleman for example. Brady is still with Gronk to this day. Belichick did that. He took a risk on a guy with a ridiculous injury history and he became the greatest player at his position in history.

    Yes, Brady won in Tampa. He’s the greatest QB ever and he went to a very talented team and helped to bring in some other key talented players. That was a winning formula.

    Meanwhile after only 1 year of missing the playoffs, BB competed for the division during a big part of the year in 2021 and made the playoffs with a rookie QB. Pretty amazing. And when you compare the Tampa roster with the NE roster, are there any players on the NE offense that would have made the Tampa roster at the start of the season? Maybe one or two if any.

    Belichick is incredible and so is Brady. Counting wins and losses and Super Bowls doesn’t do either of them justice, or the many great players that that have been around them.

    458Rate This
    ________________

    You make some good points about Belechick’s accomplishments that would sound impressive for him in a job interview for a head coaching position. Giving Belechick credit while coaching under Bill Parcells is a bit of a stretch. Giving him credit for trading up or down is usually the job of G.M. The Bills went to four straight Superbowls under Marv Levi but I don’t remember who the coordinators were. Does Eric Bieniemy get credit for Mahomes’s and K.C’s success? Brian Daboll for Josh Allen’s success? Daboll’s now on the clock with the Giants. Belechick’s on the clock without Brady

    Who is Belechick? I’m sorry but it’s hard to believe you know anything about football or take you seriously when you can’t even spell the name of the most famous and successful coach of the modern era. Not trying to offend you but come on man!!!

  64. “The only thing DEFLATING on Sun… is his passer rating”

    The fan club must think he was talking about deflating beach balls or balloons or he just texted the word deflating for fun. Lol

    Get real. It wasn’t made up. Brady is guilty. Tommy could have taken responsibility like BB did for spygate but instead he smashed his cell phone. Right.

  65. You are on record multiple times calling Peyton Manning the GOAT.
    ——
    Manning is the GOAT of his era. Montana overall.

    Funny how Tommy hasn’t won a single ring that his teammates didn’t win for him and yet Montana won all 4 for his teammates. Now why is that. 🙂

  66. nrings says:
    May 27, 2022 at 9:47 pm
    If I’m building a team of Football greats and had the option of only one of these two, I’d add Brady and find another coach. Who here (aside from two obvious folks) feels differently?
    ——-
    Bill possibly, Brady LOL no chance.

    Montana is my QB. Then for coach you can’t go wrong with anyone on the top tier of coaches, including Belichick. My choice if I had to pick one of them would probably be Gibbs. Multiple SB winner with multiple QBs. If he could do that with the likes of Rypien it would be a treat to see what he could do with the real GOAT Montana.

    Gibbs=Most underrated coach of all time by a mile

  67. John Paxton and Steven Kerr won the NBA champions for Michael Jordan. LOL.

  68. Funny how Tommy hasn’t won a single ring that his teammates didn’t win for him and yet Montana won all 4 for his teammates. Now why is that.
    _____________________________________________________

    3 TDs and 5 INTs. 74 passer rating. Legit carried to his second SB win by an all time defense. Missed half that year with injury. Played marginally well in his first SB win. “GOAT of his era” lolz.

  69. Legit carried to his second SB win by an all time defense.

    ——
    Manning redefined what it means to be great at the QB position in the modern game. Innovated the art of the pre-snap read. Brought the dummy snap count to the league. The most cerebral QB ever. Changed the game forever. Without Manning there is no Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers or anyone else like them. Tommy fans talk up Brady getting rid of the ball quickly. He can do that because he learned how to read defenses from who else? Peyton. Tommy himself even admitted that Peyton was the best QB he has ever seen. I guess the fan club thinks Tommy is a Brady hater too lolol

    Yeah Manning did all that. Here’s what Brady did to innovate the game:

  70. Pats fans that don’t want Parcells in the HOF make the excuse it’s the .500 record. No. They feel jilted about the way Parcells left. Well Kraft drove Parcells out. He was an inexperienced owner that wanted to divide the power(which he later gave to BB when he wised up). Then he let BGrier pick the players, who knows less about FB than I do.———————–
    ———————————

    Parcells its all the way he left. You don’t check out the week of the superbowl. This fanbase will never forgive him for that. He can have Canton, and statistically he deserves it, and he can rejuvenate a franchise like no other (than maybe Bill) but the way he left here, I hope he never gets in the Pats HOF. Its small its petty, but its how I feel about the man. No class, and way to let down the team you built. BB is twice the coach than Parcells is.

  71. . BB is twice the coach than Parcells is.
    ——
    I think the BB coached Patriots beat GB that night. BB would know better than to scratch Troy Brown ask Vinatieri to kick to Howard and to put the game on Bledsoe’s shoulders with Max Lane trying to hold off Reggie White.

  72. 8 wins average for Parcells? Not even close to the point. It’s the progression.
    ——
    You sure?

    1993 Pats offense: 22nd/12th in points/yards
    1993 Pats defense: 11th/13th

    1994 Pats offense: 8th/4th
    1994 Pats defense 12th/18th

    1995 Pats offense: 23rd/12th
    1995 Pats defense: 25th/28th

    1996 Pats offense: 2nd/7th
    1996 Pats defense 14th/19th

    I don’t see any “progression” here I see a team spinning it’s wheels with a coach that only went .500 with the team.

  73. Very simple, the progression was going from a 2-14 team to the Super Bowl. Not a bunch of meaningless numbers. And the Pats have been good almost every year since.

  74. The Packers were a juggernaut that year, and the Pats were 14 point underdogs for a reason. They were a better team than the Pats.

    Troy Brown was scratched because he was hurt.

    The game was put on Bledsoe’s shoulders because they were down 14, with a 1 quarter to go.

    Max Lane couldn’t block arguably the best DLineman in history? Shocka.

  75. Very simple, the progression was going from a 2-14 team to the Super Bowl.
    ——
    And if we’re being real we would admit that the only reason why they were there was the Jaguars pulling off one of the most inexplicable upsets in NFL history. Let’s not pretend that Tuna had anything to do with that.

  76. Woulda, coulda, shoulda is just a lot of excuse making nonsense. Upsets happen every day. Pats went 11-5, blew out the Steelers, beat the Jags and went to the SBowl as a Cinderella story under HOF HC Bill Parcells. It’s in the books. Parcells took this franchise from zeros to heros.

  77. GoodellMustGo says:
    May 27, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    Tom Brady’s career passer rating against Belichick: 70.

    Inferior to Hoyer and Tebow’s career ratings against Bill.

    Huh. Isn’t Brady supposed to be good? 😂

    _________________________________________________

    He was good enough to take the W away from Bill 😂

  78. Woulda, coulda, shoulda is just a lot of excuse making nonsense. Upsets happen every day. Pats went 11-5, blew out the Steelers, beat the Jags and went to the SBowl as a Cinderella story under HOF HC Bill Parcells. It’s in the books.
    ——
    It’s funny though that the Patriots didn’t do sweet Jack squat under Tuna until the 96 season. Do you know what else happened in the 96 season?

    That was Belichick‘s first year with the team and was named assistant coach. Then they managed to go to the Super Bowl. Coincidence?

    Tuna didn’t win a thing with the Dolphins the Cowboys and only was semi-successful with the Jets which oddly enough BB was there too. It’s not a reach to say Tuna has won nothing without Belichick on his staff. That’s what the facts say.

    I think a Patriots Hall of Fame caliber coach ought to be better than .500 with two losing seasons out of 4 with the team before he gets credit for resurrecting anything.

  79. Imagine actually thinking that a guy who hasn’t won squat as a QB without his teammates help and also suspended for cheating is the greatest QB of all time 😂😂😂😂😂

  80. GoodellMustGo says:
    Manning is the GOAT of his era. Montana overall.

    Funny how Tommy hasn’t won a single ring that his teammates didn’t win for him and yet Montana won all 4 for his teammates.

    So Joe Montana won 4 SB’s ALL BY HIMSELF. No help from his teammates. But apparently when Brady played and won 6 Superbowls he literally contributed nothing according to you.

  81. So Joe Montana won 4 SB’s ALL BY HIMSELF. No help from his teammates
    —-
    Montana’s 4 Super Bowls were all won because of him. 100 rating in each game. Another quarterback plays those games and they lose. Most clutch QB in the universe. GOAT.

    Brady?
    2001- Ty Law, Adam V
    2003- Adam V, Kasay kick out of bounds
    2004 – Rodney Harrison, Andy Reid mismanaging the clock
    2014 – Malcolm Butler
    2016 – James White, the Patriots defense that shut out the Falcons after the 43 minute mark
    2018 – Edelman, Van Noy, Gilmore
    2020 – Devin White, the chiefs missing both their starting tackles

    For any of those Super Bowls…without those contributions or events Brady and the Patriots lose. The QB had little to do with the outcome and in some cases they won despite Brady not because of him.

    Montane won those Super Bowls. Brady was along for the ride in his. It’s that simple.

  82. Let’s leave out how Parcells won 2 SBowls with the Giants, for convenience. Parcells didn’t do anything for the Pats until ’96? 2 yrs removed from 2-14, Parcells led the Pats to the Playoffs @10-6.

    Parcells took over the Jets after they went 1-15. In his 2nd year, they went 12-4 and won a playoff game.

    Parcells took over a 5-11 Dallas team and led them to the playoffs 2 out of the next 4 years.

    Parcells never coached the Dolphins.

    I love facts. Facts are cool.

  83. tedmurph says:
    May 28, 2022 at 4:59 pm
    Let’s leave out how Parcells won 2 SBowls with the Giants, for convenience. Parcells didn’t do anything for the Pats until ’96? 2 yrs removed from 2-14, Parcells led the Pats to the Playoffs @10-6.

    ——
    So? Chuck Pagano did even better just one year removed from his team going 2-14.

    Parcells was VP of football operations in Miami and still didn’t win anything there.

    Look obviously you’re a big fan of Tuna and I’m not saying you shouldn’t be. Im saying I do not believe he has the track record or relationship with the team that makes him a Patriots HOFer and imo he never will be.

  84. Montana won his SBowls before the cap era. He won them all by himself? Don’t make me laugh. The 49ers were an All Star team on bothe sides of the ball. Brady NEVER captained a team like those. In 2001 against the Rams the Pats were a waiver wire team. Don’t believe there was a Pro Bowler on the roster

  85. There are some Pats fans that feel jilted about the way Parcells left. He wasn’t on the flight home, boo hoo. I choose to focus on what Parcells did for this franchise, which should be obvious to anyone and HOF worthy. Not my hurt feelings.

    A VP of FB operations doesn’t play and doesn’t coach. It was a cush retirement job from his buddy.

  86. Montana won his SBowls before the cap era. He won them all by himself? Don’t make me laugh. The 49ers were an All Star team on bothe sides of the ball. Brady NEVER captained a team like those. In 2001 against the Rams the Pats were a waiver wire team. Don’t believe there was a Pro Bowler on the roster
    —-
    147 rating and 55 points in one of those games against the #1 defense in football. Went through them like they were nothing. When did Brady ever do something like that in a Super Bowl? Has only one dominating win in a Super Bowl and that wasn’t really because of Brady it was because his top defense took advantage of the Chiefs missing their starting tackles.

    Montana had a 127 rating in 4 Super Bowls combined. Total dominance when it matters most. Brady is more successful than Montana but he’ll never be anything like Joe Cool was in the biggest games.

    Yes Montana had Rice. Who do you think made Jerry Rice Jerry Rice?

    We also shouldn’t pretend that the Patriots had nothing on offense other than Brady in his early years. I believe Troy Brown was a pro bowler. So was Law and Milloy as well as Brady. Antowain Smith was an 1100 yard back and did a lot for Brady. Without him they do not make the Super Bowl and probably not even the playoffs.

  87. In the era Montana won his SBowls, the NFC was dominating the AFC. Want to cherry pick stats? How about:

    1985 Montana vs Giants in the Playoffs. Loss. Patter Rating 65.6
    1987 Montana vs Giants. Loss. Passer rating 34.2. I forget the HC for the Giants name.
    1988 Montana vs Vikings. Loss passer rating 42.

    There are additional examples. To compare the Pats 2001 team to any of the 49ers ’80’s teams is disingenuous at best. What do I think made Rice? The stickum probably helped. Few people even bother to argue Montana vs Brady anymore. It’s been settled. And it’s not close.

  88. Stop explaining the individual greatness of both Brady and Belichick to idiots.

    You’re completely wasting your time.

  89. Stop explaining the individual greatness of both Brady and Belichick to idiots.

    You’re completely wasting your time.

    Thanks, good piece of advice

  90. The matter who are idiots is not determined by people on profootbaltalk, it is determined by what will happen in next 2 seasons.

    So let us wait and see.

  91. Most of you have claimed that Belichick coached up Tom Brady, and 2021 Mac Jones was better than 2001 Brady.

    Then Belichick should have no problem building a SB contender in next 2 years, right? If he fails, there is no reason to believe that he was better than Rex Ryan who took Jets to AFCCG twice with rookie Mark Sanchez. So let’s wait to see who are idiots.

  92. In the era Montana won his SBowls, the NFC was dominating the AFC.
    —————
    Of course. All you showed is that Montana had to run through a gauntlet of top notch competition in the NFC every single season. Great teams and great coaches. And yet he still won 4 and completely dominated on a level Brady only wished he did.

    Brady never had to go through a gauntlet like Montana did. Ever. Not even close. The AFC East was absolutely pathetic for a very long time – and it’s hilarious when Pats fans try to spin it otherwise… cmon be real the division was a joke… and that gave Brady the benefit of a guaranteed home playoff game every year. The Jets, Colts and Steelers had their fleeting moments but there was no sustained competition for Brady at any other point in his career like Montana had. Great defenses and really great coaches and no salary cap allowed them all to stay together.

    Not to mention the Brady/Palmer rule and other rule changes benefiting QBs and offense.

  93. William Lee says:
    May 28, 2022 at 8:24 pm
    Most of you have claimed that Belichick coached up Tom Brady, and 2021 Mac Jones was better than 2001 Brady.

    Then Belichick should have no problem building a SB contender in next 2 years, right? If he fails, there is no reason to believe that he was better than Rex Ryan who took Jets to AFCCG twice with rookie Mark Sanchez. So let’s wait to see who are idiots.
    —-
    Belichick is a better coach than Rex Ryan in every aspect of the game .

    All other opinions are a flaming pile of trash and to be mocked and laughed at hysterically and often. Carry on. 🙂

  94. Brady never had a team that was talented enough to win SB with ANY other QB, that, was something Montana never had to deal with.

    BTW, if Belichick’s defense could have done what 49ers defense did, and AT SAME TIME, giving Brady a WR group half of the talents of the WR group Montana had, there would be lot of easy way.

    Unfortunately for Brady, Belichick’s defense was a PAPER TIGER and Belichick was a garbage on offense, as demonstrated in 2021 season.

  95. Belichick is better coach than Rex Ryan in every aspect of the game.

    ++++++++++

    It doesn’t matter. If Belichick fails to build a SB contender in next two years, it will prove that Belichick shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve, which will make his believers look like idiots.

    And the “greatness” of Belichick will be questioned openly, 99% of the football fans will not defend him. Who will defend a shameless person?

  96. My my. The Tommy fan club sound so angry and insecure these days 🙂 I guess even they know no one will ever think of their hero Tommy as anything more than just a nice little system quarterback with a little arm who cheated to get ahead and lost the biggest game in the history of sports to the Giants. That’s a real shame 🙁

  97. Lol, what makes you think I am angry? Two years, let us wait and see who laugh in two years. So far, everything I said since 2003 has been proved right, and I have great fun here on profootbaltalk.

    Belichick fans sound so nervous. If you guys really believe that it was Belichick’s system, why are you worried about offense AFTER SO MUCH WAS INVESTED ON OFFENSE? If you guys believe in this shameless being so much, what are you nervous about?

  98. I said before : it is very very hard to SCORE ENOUGH with short passes, ( much much harder than an offense that depends on big plays) especially dink n dunk, because a completed pass doesn’t even give a 1st down.

    It completely depends on QB’s ability of seeing soft spots in advance so that his receivers can get YAC,a must for the system to work. That is why even Peyton, Brees and Rodgers couldn’t command, even after 20 years.

    Belichick believers talk like they could be great mathematicians if they had studied hard. How laughable.

  99. You’ll always be the guy that drafted Tebow in the 1st round..

  100. Brady never had a team that was talented enough to win SB with ANY other QB, that, was something Montana never had to deal with.
    ===========

    3x he was paired with the #1 D
    8x he was paired with a top 5 D
    17 of 20 seasons he was paired with a top 10 D

    PLENTY of QBs would have won with that.

  101. Yes Montana had Rice. Who do you think made Jerry Rice Jerry Rice?
    ==========

    Montana won 2 Super Bowls without Rice.

  102. It completely depends on QB’s ability of seeing soft spots in advance so that his receivers can get YAC,a must for the system to work. That is why even Peyton, Brees and Rodgers couldn’t command, even after 20 years.
    ==========

    I’ve never seen a QB get more YAC out of his receivers than Rodgers.

  103. The Least Interesting Man Alive,

    No other QB would be able to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games with the cheap squad given by Belichick.

    Now go home.

  104. No other QB would be able to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games with the cheap squad given by Belichick.
    ==========

    Moss, Welker, Gronk, Hernandez.. Troy Brown.. Edleman.. Fred Taylor.. Corey Dillon..

    … shall I keep going?

  105. Lol, who told you Troy Brown, Julian Edelman, and super slow Gronk would be as good with any other QB?

    Do you even know who turned those cheap slot receivers into top makers? You think it was Belichick? Lol。

    A hint: if it was Belichick, those “easy” routes and “easy” throws should still be there without Brady.

  106. Moss is one of the greatest WRs ever, and played like it in NE
    Welker is the greatest slot receiver ever
    Gronk is arguably the best TE ever

    But sure, I’ll just take your word that it was Brady, winning 1-V-11.

  107. Lol, didn’t you see the line in SB against Giants? It couldn’t even hold 2.5 seconds against FOUR pas rushers.

    BTW, Wes Welker would be just another Wayne Chrebet with any other QB.

    Gronk’s greatness didn’t come from speed, something other QB needed. That is why Jimmy Graham was just a 2nd tier playmaker under Rodgers.

  108. Gronk’s greatness didn’t come from speed, something other QB needed. That is why Jimmy Graham was just a 2nd tier playmaker under Rodgers.
    ==========

    The patella injury derailed Grahams career. The Packers never should have signed him.

    Regardless, there is no reasonable comparison between Gronk and Graham. Gronk would have been an unstoppable force anywhere.

  109. Lol, Gronk was injured hal of the time

    Do you know he was injured in AFCCG before the second SB against Giants?

    BTW Peyton and Rodgers were never able to score 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games.

  110. 2022 was the 2nd time Rodgers offense scored less than 20 points in the Playoffs (22 total games, 9%)

    Brady; 11 such games as a Patriot (41 total games, 26.8%)

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