Bart Scott: Every defensive player would rather face Tom Brady than Peyton Manning

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When Peyton Manning was playing, debates raged about whether he or Tom Brady was the greatest quarterback. With Brady still winning Super Bowls and playing at an MVP level long after Manning’s retirement, however, Brady has largely won the debate and the title of greatest of all time.

Not in the mind of Bart Scott, however. Scott, a linebacker who played against both Brady and Manning multiple times, says Manning was the much more difficult quarterback to play against, and he says that every defensive player in the league who faced them both would agree.

“I’d much rather go against Tom Brady every day of the week than go against Peyton Manning,” Scott said on ESPN Radio. “I believe that’s how everybody feels.”

Scott says that Manning was such a master of the mental side of football that defensive players would lie awake at night with anxiety about what Manning might do, whereas Brady’s success was more a function of the people around him.

“Tom Brady was more about Bill Belichick, the entire team, the execution, them having a game plan,” Scott said.

Scott faced Manning five times in the regular season and three times in the playoffs. He faced Brady 10 times in the regular season and once in the playoffs.

191 responses to “Bart Scott: Every defensive player would rather face Tom Brady than Peyton Manning

  1. So what you’re saying is, Bart Scott realized he hadn’t been in the news for several years and decided to change that.

  2. If Tom Brady had a bad day, the Patriots could still win a lot of football games. If Peyton Manning had a bad day, the Colts were probably going to lose. Colts and Broncos stunk pretty bad the first year after Manning left them.

  3. Of course they would.

    Tommy is more accomplished thanks entirely to his coaching and teammates but intelligent fans know Manning is the superior QB. I cringed when Peyton lined up against my team. Didn’t do that once with Tommy.

  4. Reminder: Tom Brady has a lower career passer rating against Belichick’s defense than Tim Tebow and Brian Hoyer. 😂😂😂

  5. The proof is in the pudding, Bart. Just look at each of their playoff records, and say that with a straight face.

  6. Colts and Broncos stunk pretty bad the first year after Manning left them.

    A year after leaving the Broncos Denver went 9-7 (that’s a winning record)
    In 2011 the. Colts lost on purpose (suck for Luck) then went 11-5 and made the playoffs…

  7. The guy who has the most toys isn’t always the best in whatever it is. But … I wold rather have Brady behind the center than Manning with two minutes to go and down by 5.

  8. the 2 greatest QB’s in NFL history are Peyton Manning and Dan Marino….. the most prestigious are Montana and Brady…. guys like John Elway, Brett Favre, Jim Kelly, Johnny Unitas, etc etc are somewhere between those two things…. most players (including QB’s) have said similar things to what I just did.

  9. This should be a fun unwinnable debate for either side. Just think of the D had to face each of the in back to back weeks. Those are probably two games you did not invite friends and family to attend.

  10. Colts were 11-5 In Andrew Luck’s rookie year. Didn’t seem like they missed Manning all that much.

  11. He makes a sound argument and I completely agree. I felt the same about Montana versus Elway. Elway single-handedly beat teams with no running game, defense, etc. While Montana is a legit Hall of famer, he was on some of the best teams in NFL history.

  12. Tom Brady is a nice little system QB with a little arm who was suspended for cheating.

    Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB in history who other teams feared as Scott said.

    There is no comparison between the two. Brady isn’t in Peyton’s league. And I have no problem admitting it as a Patriots fan.

  13. He makes a good point, and I doubt he is alone in that sentiment amongst players. While I would not say this is the ONLY factor, Brady—consistently—had better teams than Manning. Brady could have an off day/bad game and STILL win, because defense, special teams, or some other offensive player could carry the torch. If Manning did not bring his A-game, the Colts (and, to a lesser extent, the Broncos) would almost-certainly lose.

  14. True Patriot fans respect Peyton Manning. Manning himself even said he appreciated Pats fans in NE letting him know in person he was missed on the field.

    Watching Manning play was like watching an artist with the football field as his canvas. It was something special and won’t be duplicated. He revolutionized the position and the sport. There would be no Brady, Mahomes and the rest of them if there was no Peyton manning. Even Tommy had the sense to admit Peyton was the best he’s ever seen. Sorry fan club but even your boi knows Peyton is better.

    GOAT of this era hands down.

  15. I still say Steve Young at his peak was better than both of them. Young could beat you with his arm or his legs. Manning and Brady were/are pocket statues.

  16. Here we go again with the revisionist history “Manning had to do it himself “

    He had a HOF wr Harrison and a HOF RB James and a probably soon to be HOF wr Wayne all on the same team

    He also went into the playoffs EIGHT times with a top ten defense in BOTH scoring and yards allowed and a top 10 scoring offense. SEVEN of those eight times ONE and DONE.

  17. Everyone in the league would rather face Brady except Manning who got beat up pretty bad when they played. Even though Manning had better playmakers around him his entire career.

  18. On total yards allowed, Pats defense with Brady was WORSE THAN Packers defense with Rodgers. You get idea why Pats we’re ‘better’ team.

    Given that Peyton and Rodgers didn’t have the skills to turn cheap receivers into top playmakers, Pats would have won nothing with them.

  19. Peyton Manning never threw even two touchdown passes in a super bowl. He also won a ring throwing 3 touchdowns to 7 interceptions in the playoffs in 2006. Brady has the most wins in history when his defense surrenders 28 or more points. Let that all sink in. If not for Brady, the Patriots would have lost every game against Mahomes. His defense allowed too many points.

  20. 100%. Peyton is the GOAT. Brady is great, but was on better teams with better coaches. When Manning finally got a decent coach he won his SB.

  21. Is Franco Harris the GOAT of RB’s? He has 4 SB wins.

    Walter Peyton has one.

  22. Manning was better play makers?

    He didn’t even know how to play football if his favorite plays were taken away. The same for Rodgers.

    These people talk like everything about a QB is making throws to WR BEHIND defenders, the easiest way to play football except making throws.

  23. Tom Brady is 1-3 against Peyton Manning in AFC Championship games. And 0-2 against Eli in Super Bowls. When it matters most.

    Nobody fears Tommy they fear his team. Everyone feared Peyton way more than his team. And rightfully so.

  24. Brady had the best coach in the history of the game, and an organization that put the best possible team around him.

    The “rings” argument is a poor one when comparing him to Manning. Manning had 5 different coaches, only one of whom I’d consider to be even close to top tier.

    I happen to think Brady is better – but it’s much closer than New Englanders tend to think.

  25. Truth is Manning was the better QB yes he was but Brady late in games was more clutch .

  26. It helped Manning that his receivers were elite first round picks whereas Brady had to settle for Belichick’s bargain-bin finds which Brady drove to look like elite receivers.

  27. 1-3 against Peyton in AFCCG

    +++++++

    When Belichick’s defense collapsed in one, allowed crippled Peyton threw 2 TDin one.

    Oh, the 3rd one, Brady’s #1 receiver was Julian Edelman, first season as a receiver .

  28. Fun fact: Brady has more playoff TD passes than Manning and Montana combined, in less total games.

    Bonus fact: Brady has averaged 40+ TD passes a year from age 43+.

  29. Peyton was better than Brady on ONLY ONE THING : : making throws in which ONLY WR CAN SEE THE BALLS.

    On everything else, Brady was much better than Peyton was.

  30. On any given play, Manning has more talents. With the game on the line, Brady has always been more reliable

  31. Most quarterbacks in the league would tell you they would rather play against Bart Scott than Ray Lewis….

  32. Based on the records of the teams Bart played on and, the number of times they won their divison, teams would rather have played against Bart than Brady, Manning or Rothlisberger.

  33. Brady is not as clutch as everyone thinks, especially in the super bowl.

    1. Strip sack fumble on SB52 with the game on the line

    2. Intentional grounding in the end zone in SB46

    3. Leading his team to only 14 points in SB42, which was the most important game in NFL history.

    Guys like Michael Jordan are truly clutch.

  34. Manning was better when he wasn’t under any mental duress. But football comes with a lot of pressure and Brady was just mentally stronger. Manning always crumbled when he got shook. Brady was his best when the heat was on. That’s the difference and that’s why Brady has the rings. GOAT. And I hate Brady for the record. I’m sure Manning was better in practice though.

  35. Manning was boom or bust. Brady recorded an interception on just 1.8 percent of his career throws, while Manning did it on 2.7 percent.

  36. Two all time greats. Tampa Bay hadn’t won a playoff game in 18 years, and Brady goes down there and wins right away. Brady can do that to most teams. Peyton Manning and the Colts were winning about 12 games each year, then he gets hurt and they’re a 2-14 team. He was carrying a mediocre team all those years. Then he goes to hapless Denver and carries that team to a title. Brady has taken great care of his body and also came along when they changed the rules so you can’t touch a QB. I’m not weighing in on Bart Scott’s motivation for saying what he said, but having watched both QB’s since college I’d say Scott has a legit argument. Montana is my clear #1, but these two can each make a great case for the #2 spot.

  37. Troy Polamalu and Terrell Suggs would disagree with his statement. As would many others. Fact is Peyton Manning when pressure was on him would choke Brady rose above his own ability. Manning copied the Bengals no huddle offense from the 80’s and tried to market it as his own. Manning is inferior to Brady facts are facts.

  38. Manning regular season 186-79 70% win pct
    Brady regular season 243-73 77% win pct
    Manning post season 14-13 52% win pct
    Brady post season 35-12 74% win pct
    Manning 9 one and dones in 15 playoff appearances
    Brady 3 one and dones in 19 playoff appearances
    Manning 4 SB’s, 2 championships, 1 SB MVP
    Brady 10 SB’s, 7 championships, 5 SB MVP’s
    Head to head games – Manning 6 wins, Brady 11 wins

    If you got at least as far in school as Jethro Bodine this should be easy.

    Brady = GOAT

  39. Guys like Michael Jordan are more clutch.

    +++++++

    He would have won only Three NBA champions if NBA playoff was one-game series.

  40. As Rodney Harrison said, “when things got tough, we knew Peyton would throw us the ball.”

  41. The GOAT is neither Brady or Manning, it’s Montana. Never seen such coolness under pressure. He won four Super Bowls in an incredibly competitive pre-salary cap era (Washington, NY and Chicago were all incredible then) and I’m sure would have more rings than Brady if he had the longevity of him.

  42. I am one of the biggest Pats/Brady fans of all time. His statements are correct.

  43. In SB 42, Brady was asked to deliver in 4 drives:
    One from own 3 yards; two with good field positions: and last winning drives.

    With the squad Belichick gave to him, the average chance a QB delivered is no better than 30%.

    30% x 30% x 30% x 30% = 0.81% < 1%. Some people have no idea what is hard.

  44. maverick says:
    June 19, 2022 at 2:16 pm
    Brady is not as clutch as everyone thinks, especially in the super bowl.

    1. Strip sack fumble on SB52 with the game on the line

    2. Intentional grounding in the end zone in SB46

    3. Leading his team to only 14 points in SB42, which was the most important game in NFL history.

    Guys like Michael Jordan are truly clutch.

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    As accurate as this is and as critical as I am of the “Giselle Era” from him, this is not enough to combat Gomer Manning’s epic postseason chokejobs and melting down when the weather was less than perfect.

    The dome qb he was, along with Brees, ends this discussion immediately.

    Thank god BB scared Brady back to his old self in 2014, but the results speak for themselves.

    A 2nd dynasty.

    That said, if Manning had BB, he clearly would have more than eeking out 1 ring in Indy or an all world D protecting him with Denver.

  45. If Manning had BB

    +(+++++++++

    He was never able to score 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games.

    With the squad before 2007, he would never be able to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.

    He certainly wouldn’t be able to do what Brady did in SB 42. Belichick would be fired within two years because he was so cheap on offense .

  46. Brady played above his ability under pressure

    +++++++++++++++

    He played better simply because:

    #1, he knew more opportunities than other QB.
    #2, he knew his opportunities earlier and quicker than other QB.
    #3, he created opportunities, like his first pass in SB 42 from own 3 yards.

    While QB like Peyton and Rodgers only knew the opportunities down field, so when big plays were taken away, they didn’t know how to play football.

  47. I like Manning. He’s the second-best Colts QB ever.
    ===========

    Brady is the best Pats QB at least.

    Neck pad Grogan, Tommy Hodson, Hugh Millen…,,

  48. 9 playoff one and dones and people are arguing that Manning was better? It’s ridiculous to even act like this is a legitimate debate.

  49. Anyone who says “I think I can speak for everyone” is an idiot.

  50. I have a feeling I will see GMG post his same exact nonsense on every Brady article this week, next month, next year….

  51. He certainly wouldn’t be able to do what Brady did in SB 42.
    ——
    You mean lose almost single-handedly the biggest game in the history of pro sports in this country? You’re right Manning would have dominated the Giants and completed the undefeated season.

    Two yard Tommy isn’t in Peyton’s league. Or Montana’s. Sorry fan club only the facts and the truth.

  52. This just in “Bart Scott just as irrelevant in retirement now as he was as a player.”

  53. twilightzone says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:04 am

    Colts and Broncos stunk pretty bad the first year after Manning left them.

    ————————————————————————–

    The Colts went 11-5 in the season after Manning left them. The Broncos went 9-7. There are a lot of Jets fan that would sign up for stinking that bad. But hey, feel free to make up your own facts.

  54. maverick says:
    June 19, 2022 at 2:16 pm
    Brady is not as clutch as everyone thinks, especially in the super bowl.

    1. Strip sack fumble on SB52 with the game on the line
    —- Yup. Blew the game right there. Wanted the home run play to pad his own stats and paid for it.

    2. Intentional grounding in the end zone in SB46
    —- Yup. Cost his team the game.

    3. Leading his team to only 14 points in SB42, which was the most important game in NFL history.
    ——After scoffing publicly at the Giants defense because someone suggested they’d score “only” 17. Imagine being the fan club and insisting this guy is humble. 😂

    Not to mention the pick 6 in SB51 on a pass that his puny weakling little arm couldn’t make that put his team in a hole. Bailed out by his defense shutting out the league MVP in the 4Q and letting James White go to work.

    Terrible ints near the opposing end zone in SB38 and 49 that should have cost his team those games.

    Single-handedly costing his team a bye in 19 by getting totally punked by Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Dolphins in week 17. Played lousy in the wild card loss and let his defense down.

    So happy the cheater isn’t on my team anymore 🙂

  55. GMG,

    How would Peyton dominate Giants if he didn’t have even 2.5 seconds in pocket against 4 pass rushers? Didn’t you see how he played against Seahawks?

    BTW Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd SB against Giants.

  56. BTW,the reason Brady and Pats couldn’t win SB between 2007 and 2012 was because he played like Peyton, thanks to Belichick who abandoned Brady’s system in 2007.

  57. GoodellMustGo says:
    June 19, 2022 at 8:52 am
    Tom Brady is a nice little system QB with a little arm who was suspended for cheating.

    Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB in history who other teams feared as Scott said.

    There is no comparison between the two. Brady isn’t in Peyton’s league. And I have no problem admitting it as a Patriots fan.

    Except that you are not a Patriots fan. You are a Tom Brady hater that can’t think rationally about the man. You literally give him no credit for anything he has accomplished. It’s always the team around him that gets all the credit. You call him a system QB which is ludicrous.

  58. Brady is not in Peyton’s league.

    +++++

    Only on throws in which ONLY WR can see the balls.

    On everything else, Brady to football is like Einstein to physics.

  59. BTW,the reason Brady and Pats couldn’t win SB between 2007 and 2012 was because he played like Peyton, thanks to Belichick who abandoned Brady’s system in 2007.
    ==========

    2007 remains 1 of the 3 best offenses EVER, doesn’t it?

  60. zonedout100 says:
    June 19, 2022 at 5:51 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    June 19, 2022 at 8:52 am
    Tom Brady is a nice little system QB with a little arm who was suspended for cheating.

    Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB in history who other teams feared as Scott said.

    There is no comparison between the two. Brady isn’t in Peyton’s league. And I have no problem admitting it as a Patriots fan.

    Except that you are not a Patriots fan. You are a Tom Brady hater that can’t think rationally about the man. You literally give him no credit for anything he has accomplished. It’s always the team around him that gets all the credit. You call him a system QB which is ludicrous.
    ——
    Yeah Brady lost me when those text messages came out after I defended him for years. Why would I give a cheater credit for anything? And then he took shots at my team after he left. That doesn’t bother the fan club cuz they aren’t NE fans but that matters to me.

    And when did Brady win a title for his team? When did Brady carry his team to the championship even once? It never happened. His teammates won all of them for him.

    Montana did it. 4 times. Why can’t Brady?

  61. William Lee says:
    June 19, 2022 at 5:50 pm
    BTW,the reason Brady and Pats couldn’t win SB between 2007 and 2012 was because he played like Peyton, thanks to Belichick who abandoned Brady’s system in 2007.

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    Umm, that was done per Brady to chase Manning’s stats who he was jealous of getting all the attention and then Giselle showed up.

    Brady had gameplan power and full autonomy at the line.

    Try again.

    Brady’s “preferred shotgun” (source WEEI 2013, Monday morning interview), was his and his alone to accumulate stats.

    BB righted the ship by signing James Develi in 2013 and drafting JimmyG in 2014 and working with him daily.

    Try again.

  62. Let’s not forget that Manning’s Super Bowl victories were against the great Rex Grossman and Cam Newton!

  63. GMG,

    Stop claiming that Steve Kerr won couple of NBA champions for Michael Jordan.

  64. I do not know what is more ridiculous. GMG’s absurd posts or him liking his posts multiple times.

  65. I’m pretty sure if you can win a super bowl on a new team with Bruce Arians as your head coach after that team went 7-9 the season prior, you’re the greatest of all time. Not once did Brady ever lose a super bowl by 35 points either, unlike Peyton.

  66. 2007 remain 1 of 3 best offense ever.

    +++++++++

    ‘best’ offense is judged by big plays, it doesn’t tell how the offense will be like when big plays are taken away.

  67. Yeah, Brady did nothing on offense for his team to win the SB.

    Panthers – Brady’s stats: 32/48, 354 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 100.5 rating
    Eagles – Brady’s stats: 23/33, 236 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 110.2 rating
    Seahawks – Brady’s stats: 37/50, 328 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating
    Chiefs – Brady’s stats: 21/29, 201 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 125.8 rating

    But somehow Montana carried the Niners to the ‘81 title with his 14-22 157 yards 1 TD 0 INT 100 rating. Ray Wersching kicked 4 field goals and 2 extra points but Montana carried them.

  68. Tom Brady is a nice little system QB with a little arm and nothing more.

    Like Brady Alex Smith also looks great only when he has elite playmakers around him. Kicked the tar out of Tommy’s Patriots twice in fact. And when Smith’s and Brady’s systems break down so do they. Case in point: Tommy shut out by Taysom Hill without his all star team. Also Tommy’s 2019 season. The resemblance of Brady and Alex Smith is uncanny!

    Except nobody is silly enough to call Smith GOAT. Funny how that works. 🤔

  69. Sorry fan club. Clearly there are NFL players who agree with me about your boi.

    Bart Scott speaks the truth.

  70. “9 playoff one and dones and people are arguing that Manning was better? It’s ridiculous to even act like this is a legitimate debate.”
    _____________

    It’s not golf or tennis. Football is the ultimate team game.

  71. I don’t know why Brady defendenders always go into a number of rings or owning the playoffs anytime a manning topic comes up. And the most famous. I would have Brady than Manning any day. This is just purely about a 1:1 comparison purely eliminating all the external factors and why that qb can do based on their individual skillet when the headset goes off.. that’s all. Brady is definitely great but still

  72. ghjjf says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:14 pm
    Let’s not forget that Manning’s Super Bowl victories were against the great Rex Grossman and Cam Newton!
    —-
    And beat Tommy both times on the way there. 🤔

    Also Tommy is 0-3 against Eli and Foles in Super Bowls so there’s no reason to think Tommy is a lock against either of those other QBs.

  73. William Lee says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:15 pm
    GMG,

    Stop claiming that Steve Kerr won couple of NBA champions for Michael Jordan.
    —-
    You’re comparing Tommy to Michael Jordan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😜😂😂😂

    Jordan is an icon. Tommy is a cheater and nobody admires him except the fan club. 😭

  74. There’s some truth to what Bart Scott says that Peyton Manning strikes more fear into defensive players than Brady. At the peak of the Manning/Brady rivalry, Scott’s sentiment was quite common. Had Peyton been more successful in the postseason, he would’ve been crowned the greatest ever. The two QBs have different styles. One key difference is that no matter how many audibles Manning made, once the ball is snapped he is married to the play and the ball is certainly going to a predetermined receiver. And he was making a killing for years in the regular season. For whatever reason, even his brother Cooper admitted that, Peyton just somehow didn’t handle the pressure well in the postseason and once the play did not go his way, he faltered, and resulted in having NINE first-round eliminations in the postseason. Brady thrives in the postseason. Simply put Brady seems to have more improvisational skill than Peyton and allows room for quick change during the play. Who’s better? I consider both of them the two greatest QBs of all time. They can be either 1A or 1B, whichever order I don’t care. I just know Manning and Brady are the best.

  75. steelcurtainn says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:29 pm
    Manning is better the Brady. Plain and simple

    That’s funny I just did a search for list of greatest QB of all time. About 40 came up from all over the country all different outlets and Tom Brady was #1 on EVERY list.

  76. best’ offense is judged by big plays, it doesn’t tell how the offense will be like when big plays are taken away.
    ==========

    It’s judged by points scored in a single season

    They’re #2… in the entire history of the League

  77. Football is ultimate team sport.

    +++++++++

    And whose way was better for his team, Brady’s way or Peyton’s way (or Rodgers way)?

    Obviously it was Brady’s way. So unless you watch football for (xxx), Brady is the GOAT, BECAUSE football is a team sport.

  78. GoodellMustGo says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:31 pm
    Sorry fan club. Clearly there are NFL players who agree with me about your boi.

    Bart Scott speaks the truth.


    Unfortunately for you players more respected than Bart Scot DISAGREE with the both of you.

    Ray Lewis Ed Reed , Michale Strahan , Von Miller the list goes on and on and on.

    But hey, you have Bart….

  79. Also Tommy is 0-3 against Eli and Foles in Super Bowls so there’s no reason to think Tommy is a lock against either of those other QBs.

    – I don’t play defense homie, those are on Bill’s shoddy D

  80. dwqb11 says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:27 pm
    Yeah, Brady did nothing on offense for his team to win the SB.

    Panthers – Brady’s stats: 32/48, 354 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 100.5 rating
    Eagles – Brady’s stats: 23/33, 236 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 110.2 rating
    Seahawks – Brady’s stats: 37/50, 328 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating
    Chiefs – Brady’s stats: 21/29, 201 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 125.8 rating

    But somehow Montana carried the Niners to the ‘81 title with his 14-22 157 yards 1 TD 0 INT 100 rating. Ray Wersching kicked 4 field goals and 2 extra points but Montana carried them.

    I said when did Brady carry his team to a championship. You’d think a GOAT could do that even once. Montana did it 4 times

    Those are 4 poor examples you gave. Try again 🙂

    2003- Adam Vinatieri won that game. If Kasay kickoff out of bounds didn’t happen the game goes to OT and they likely lose. Brady’s horrible end zone int helped make that happen.
    2004- Andy Reid mismanaged the clock. If that didn’t happen they lose.
    2014- If Malcolm Butler didn’t intercept that pass they lose.
    2020- Bucs defense held Mahomes to 9 points. Devin White won that game. Vita Eva’s presence made all the difference. Tommy had sweet jack squat to do with that. Any QB could have won that game.

    Montana is the real GOAT. Manning is the GOAT of this era. Those guys don’t need great teammates to be great. Tommy and his clone Alex Smith do. Truth hurts.

  81. Vita Eva’s presence made all the difference.
    —-
    Vea’s. #autocorrect

  82. How is a guy with nine playoff one and dones even in the same conversation as Brady and Montana? Johnny Unitas and Otto Graham were better quarterbacks than Peyton. Even Eli was more clutch than Peyton.

  83. Just wondering……

    Have any of those responding here ever faced either Brady or Manning?

  84. There is a difference between Greatest, Best, and Favorite. Brady is the Greatest but Manning is the Best. Your favorite could be either one or neither.

  85. Peyton is better than Brady, plain simple.

    ++++++++

    Only if you are simple that you can’t tell the difference between the challenge a basketball player has to deal with and the challenge a QB has to deal with. Can you?

  86. Tom Brady says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:01 pm
    Also Tommy is 0-3 against Eli and Foles in Super Bowls so there’s no reason to think Tommy is a lock against either of those other QBs.

    – I don’t play defense homie, those are on Bill’s shoddy D

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    Or Philly’s.

    Giving up 14-17 points in an offensive league is also not “shoddy D”.

    The only thing “shoddy” from 2007-2012 vs a good D was Brady’s god awful ego and shotgun spread preference, thinking he was untouchable and he didn’t need a run game to help him.

    He sucked and be was 100% wrong just like he always is when he throws too much, even with a lead.

    Truth hurts.

  87. Tom Brady says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:01 pm
    Also Tommy is 0-3 against Eli and Foles in Super Bowls so there’s no reason to think Tommy is a lock against either of those other QBs.

    – I don’t play defense homie, those are on Bill’s shoddy D
    ——
    So if I understand this correctly you’re saying it’s the fault of Bill’s defense for a record setting offense scoring a puny 14 points in one game after you publicly scoffed at the idea you’d score only 17?

    And in the other Super Bowl game the #3 scoring offense managing just 17 points against the bottom 3 ranked pass defense in the league?

    Right. I think that one should be featured on Cmon Man 😉

  88. Tim says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:06 pm
    Bart Scott is correct

    I love how the Tommy fan club gets all triggered at what Scott said – like they’re the ones that know and talk to NFL players and Scott doesn’t. 😂

  89. Bart Scott is talking out of his back side. I’d take Tom Brady any day of the week.

  90. Would Manning have just 2 rings if Belichick had been his coach for 20 years?

    Would Brady have as many if he had, say, Caldwell as his coach?

  91. OG Fogy says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:19 pm
    There is a difference between Greatest, Best, and Favorite. Brady is the Greatest but Manning is the Best. Your favorite could be either one or neither.

    Oh god, this ESPN hot take

    Greatest literally means you are the BEST at what you did
    The word “BEST”is in the definition of Greatest of all time they are. not two different things

  92. Billsthefuture,

    Stop thinking a QB can do what Brady did with receivers IN FRONT OF DEFENDERS because he can make some amazing throws to WR BEHIND defenders.

    Manning’s skills is almost meaningless with the cheap squad given by Belichick.

  93. billsrthefuture says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:43 pm
    Would Manning have just 2 rings if Belichick had been his coach for 20 years?

    Would Brady have as many if he had, say, Caldwell as his coach?
    ——
    Brady and Caldwell… no chance Tommy would have a ring. Nada. Zero. Zip.

    Manning and Bill… now that would be an interesting duo. Bill wouldn’t be able to coach Peyton like other players. But I think Bill would have the sense to know Manning can coach the offense by himself. He would give the keys to Peyton for the offense and focus on what he was always known for and excelled at. Defense. Would be fascinating to see the outcome of that.

  94. William Lee says:
    June 19, 2022 at 4:59 pm
    If Manning had BB

    +(+++++++++

    He was never able to score 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games.

    With the squad before 2007, he would never be able to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.

    He certainly wouldn’t be able to do what Brady did in SB 42. Belichick would be fired within two years because he was so cheap on offense .
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    The majority of the time your statements re-Belichick vs Brady shows resentment that blocks your better judgement or simply shows that you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about.
    Belichick has made a point of building solid all-around good teams in NE and that is likely the primary reason they won 6 SBs, now I’m not saying that having Brady as his QB didn’t help, of course it did, but so did having the Richard Seymours, Wilfolk when he was there, Edelman, etc.
    In the cap era, far too many teams build around 4 or 5 top notch stars while paying them top dollar then have to rely on building around them with sub-level talent at times simply because of the old saying “you get what you paid for”.

    To make statements like, “Belichick would have been fired within two years because he was so cheap on offense”, shows you have no clue how he/NE built winning SB Championship teams.
    And your standard fallback of, it was all Brady, without him Belichick would have accomplished nothing, is truly illogical.

  95. When is everything on the QB? When they absolutely have to throw.. a lot..

    Manning’s record when he threw over 50 passes in a game: 4-13, 23.5 win %
    Brady’s record when he threw over 50 passes in a game: 16-8, 66.7 win %

    This stat is not dispositive, but it is impressive.

  96. OG Fogy says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:19 pm
    There is a difference between Greatest, Best, and Favorite. Brady is the Greatest but Manning is the Best. Your favorite could be either one or neither.
    —-
    Brady is not the greatest. Being suspended for cheating took him out of the picture for that. He is the most accomplishments thanks to his coaching and especially his teammates over the years.

  97. GoodellMustGo says:
    And when did Brady win a title for his team? When did Brady carry his team to the championship even once? It never happened. His teammates won all of them for him.

    Montana did it. 4 times. Why can’t Brady?

    Yes it was AMAZING watching Joe Montana play all 12 positions and SINGLE HANDEDLY win those games!

  98. Oh, Joe Montana scored only 13 points in SB against Bengals, special team scored a TD.

  99. As a Steeler fan, I’d far prefer facing Manning over Brady. Brady always chewed up our blitz heavy zone defenses like he was taking a walk in the park, while Manning struggled. I don’t really know that Bart Scott’s opinion matters, an inside linebacker that never won anything.

  100. mpdoherty says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:55 pm
    When is everything on the QB? When they absolutely have to throw.. a lot..

    Manning’s record when he threw over 50 passes in a game: 4-13, 23.5 win %
    Brady’s record when he threw over 50 passes in a game: 16-8, 66.7 win %

    This stat is not dispositive, but it is impressive.

    00Rate This

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    Umm, I’ve run the data.

    A good/great D when Brady throws 45+ times from the shotgun, which was ALL the time from 2007-2012, his int rate skyrocketed and his performances were poor.

    If he threw 45+ times vs a mediocre or bad D, or a zone D, yes, his numbers were great.

    He didn’t get that being under center and using a rungame for all 4 qtrs against the better Ds, helped him as a qb.

    Brady only was a sb winner when NE carried a real Fullback because the FB meant there could be a run game. When he wanted an extra WR for more throwing plays in the playbook, he was a failure vs good Ds.

    He turned into Peyton Manning, which was infuriating as a Pats fan and why he’d risk playoff games and sbs when he saw how his own Ds used to dupe Peyton.

    Manning’s smartest game ever was handing it off all game to Addai/Rhodes in the SB vs the Bears.

    Brady’s quest for being a winner with the spotlight all on him, wanting it to be about him, while failing badly, is why JimmyG was drafted.

    Truth.

  101. The majority of the time your statements re-Belichick vs Brady shows resentment that blocks your better judgement or simply shows that you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about.

    Truer words have never been spoken. The kicker is, he thinks that he does.

  102. Dungy made Manning. Excellent HOF coach, turned around the Bucs, built a contender in Indy for years with great draft input and giving manning all pro/HOF talent to throw the ball too, hand off to and a top notch offensive line.

  103. cheeseisfattening says:
    June 19, 2022 at 6:01 pm
    Lying Rodgers not even in the conversation
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    He is now.

  104. As a defensive player ur always more scared of guy willing to make u look bad with a 50 ud pass than the guy consistently beating u with five yard passes. Like an investor looking for get rich quick with Manning instead of consistent returns. If I’m a financial guy over long term I’ll go with steady returns. He never had to worry about being blamed for giving up big score with Brady cause he would throw it away rather than risk an interception when play broke down. Ignore revisionist history, when Brady went to bucs every pundit said “wtf” and predicted he’d lose. It wasn’t until they won the Super Bowl suddenly “oh well ignore that 7-9 record last year this team was good!”

  105. I have no idea why anyone could ever get worked up over this. If you have to choose between Peyton and Tom, you have a seriously high class problem.

  106. xxsweepthelegxx says:
    June 19, 2022 at 8:59 pm
    Dungy made Manning. Excellent HOF coach, turned around the Bucs, built a contender in Indy for years with great draft input and giving manning all pro/HOF talent to throw the ball too, hand off to and a top notch offensive line.

    12Rate This

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    False.

    It was Kiffin’s D and Dungy failed miserably with Polian to field a D.

    The whole point of hiring Dungy was to fiz the D because you knew you had Manning.

    They were bottom ranked every year and soft.

  107. Lies cause if you were playing brady you were playing the Pat’s and we all know that outcome for 20 years

  108. Tom Brady – a great technician
    Peyton Manning – Cerebral

    Brady plays checkers but Manning was playing chess!

  109. So we are witnessing that Bart Scott still has yet to decipher “Omaha!”

  110. Wins are a team stat. Put Manning on those patriots teams and they might win more than 6 rings.

  111. Going off of pure QB talent, Manning > Brady all day every , twice on Sunday. Brady is good for sure, but he’s benefitted from better all around teams around him. Manning elevated everyone around him and was the master at getting the Offense in the right position.

  112. Bart, Bart, Bart… If it was not for the fact that you are a serial hater of all things Patriot and Brady…I would believe what you say but alas…I cannot. I compare your comments to those that come from one of our well known news/entertainment sources. Too much bias, makes you an unreliable source of information.

  113. Bart Scott is full of hot air and always has been. Brady won 3 Super Bowls and had a whole other HOF career after Peyton retired. Peyton was great but this is ancient news.

  114. Oh Bart DOH!!! This guy says some of the dumbest crap ever him & just throw me the dam ball Keyshawn!

  115. lollygagger8 says:
    June 20, 2022 at 7:30 am
    Going off of pure QB talent, Manning > Brady all day every , twice on Sunday. Brady is good for sure, but he’s benefitted from better all around teams around him. Manning elevated everyone around him and was the master at getting the Offense in the right position.

    ______________________________________________________

    So then why does Brady have 7 rings (so far),and Manning finished his career with only 2?

  116. Organizational goal: Find QB to win as many Super Bowls as possible. QB goal: Win as many Super Bowls as possible. Tom Brady won more with a rolling cast of characters than anyone else ever. Ever. Mission accomplished. Who cares what Bart Scott thinks?

  117. Brady came into the league in 2000. Won a Super Bowl in 2001. Then Scott was drafted and played for 10 years from 2002-2012, winning 0 Super Bowls and appearing in 0 Super Bowls. Brady won 2 more Super Bowls and appeared in 4 during that time. Then after Scott retired Brady won 4 Super Bowls and appeared in 5. Brady is still playing. And Scott had a very good career compared to most. What Brady’s done is incomparable.

  118. Lollygaggee8

    Stop the nonsense that Brady has all around team. The team he took over was one of the worst teams in 2001.

    The reason Belichick could spent so much resources on defense because Brady had the skills to turn cheap slot receivers into top play makers, the skills Peyton and Rodgers didn’t have.

    BTW, on total yards allowed, Pats defense with Brady was WORSE THAN Packers defense with Rodgers. So you have an idea how the defense would be like with Rodgers and Peyton .

  119. Brady isn’t in Peyton’s league.

    Correct. Brady is in the National Football League and Manning isn’t in any league and is doing whatever it is he does.

  120. bvolke says:
    June 20, 2022 at 6:19 am
    Wins are a team stat. Put Manning on those patriots teams and they might win more than 6 rings.

    ————-

    Well they won 2 and went to 3 after Peyton retired, so he probably wouldn’t have been much help in those ones.

  121. Nikki Glaser to Peyton: “I love you in commercials. I’d say you’re the greatest of all-time. You’re like the Tom Brady of commercials”

  122. I think match ups matter. The Steelers had a much better record against the Colts than the Patriots. I can imagine there are teams with the other perspective.

  123. billsrthefuture says:
    June 19, 2022 at 7:43 pm
    Would Manning have just 2 rings if Belichick had been his coach for 20 years?

    Would Brady have as many if he had, say, Caldwell as his coach?

    ————-

    Well Both Brady and Manning won Super Bowls with other coaches and other teams so they both kind of proved they were a big part of why their teams won.

    No Question that with Bill, Manning could have won more. It’s also important to note that Peyton played 17 years and his body gave out, so he couldn’t have played 20 years with Bill all things being equal.

    I feel like for Bill and the Patriots it’s less because of coaching and more because of the winning culture.

    It’s hard to maintain the right level of discipline to win every year. By the end, Manning and Brady could create that culture on their own, which is a big part of how they won elsewhere.

  124. He does have a point. Many defenses feared Brady because he could put points on the board – the problem with him is that if you hit him early and often he is useless. If you try to hit Peyton, he had back up plays for back up plays – no one was better prepared or had his team more prepared on offense than Peyton. He was far more of a field general than Brady ever will be. And Peyton didn’t cheat.

  125. bradygirl12 says:
    June 20, 2022 at 9:30 am
    lollygagger8 says:
    June 20, 2022 at 7:30 am
    Going off of pure QB talent, Manning > Brady all day every , twice on Sunday. Brady is good for sure, but he’s benefitted from better all around teams around him. Manning elevated everyone around him and was the master at getting the Offense in the right position.

    ______________________________________________________

    So then why does Brady have 7 rings (so far),and Manning finished his career with only 2?

    21Rate This

    ——————-

    Bill Belichick.

  126. So Bart, since Manning had a better supporting cast, HOF receivers and equal or better RBs the only conclusion is the coach makes a bigger difference than talent. If that is the case, your record says it all. You had arguably some good defensive coaches but you must have been so bad that your coaches could not win with you at all!

  127. Somehow Manning won a Super Bowl while throwing floating ducks no longer than 30 yards. He not only recognized the defense he was facing when came out of the huddle, but he knew what the defense would be for the next down. :>)

  128. Bart Scott just didn’t realize it. With Brady, it was death by a thousand cuts. You never feel any of them, but the end result is the same – Brady wins

  129. He was far more of a field general than Brady ever was

    ++++++

    Really? Then how come he didn’t know how come he didn’t know how to play football when his favorite plays (to WR BEHIND defenders) were taken away?

  130. I would go with most players, Bart, not all. Most retired players will say Manning was the best QB and Brady is the Goat in the same sentence because there is a difference. You guys seem to forget when Brady was a game manager back then while Peyton was gobbling up MVPs. This is when Bart played. Brady was not as feared, but the Patriots team was. This reminded me of the Biletnikoff/Branch debate. Biletnikoff got in the HOF early and Branch after his death. Biletnikoff was generally regarded as the better receiver, both with similar stats. But when you talk to DBs of the 70s, Branch was feared more.

  131. “So then why does Brady have 7 rings (so far),and Manning finished his career with only 2?”
    ___________________

    He played for the greatest coach of all time, and had much better all-around teams than Manning did pretty much every year.

    This isn’t golf.

  132. He played for the greatest coach of all time, and had much better all-around teams than Manning did pretty much every year.

    This isn’t golf.

    Played for Dungy from 02 – 08

    Had a Defense ranked in the Top 10 in BOTH scoring and yards allowed AND a top 10 scoring offense for those same years. So this narrative that he didn’t have great teams is totally false.

    All 4 of those seasons with the top Defense they went one and done.

    Again Between Indianapolis and Denver he went into the playoffs 8 times with a top ten scoring D and 7 of those 8 times they went ONE and DONE. (2 of those one and done his D was ranked #1 )

  133. “Played for Dungy from 02 – 08

    Had a Defense ranked in the Top 10 in BOTH scoring and yards allowed AND a top 10 scoring offense for those same years. So this narrative that he didn’t have great teams is totally false.

    All 4 of those seasons with the top Defense they went one and done.

    Again Between Indianapolis and Denver he went into the playoffs 8 times with a top ten scoring D and 7 of those 8 times they went ONE and DONE. (2 of those one and done his D was ranked #1 )”
    __________________

    I mean, we can argue it all day. I think people who understand the game of football get that it’s not a one-man game. I remember a lot of those “one & dones.” Manning was excellent in some of them, but other aspects of the team weren’t there.

    There isn’t a comparison. Are you really comparing how the Pats were run & constructed w/ how Indy was run & constructed? And Dungy was a very good coach, but not hear BB’s level.

    If Manning played for BB, he’d have 4 rings, minimum. Brady would have less if he played elsewhere.

  134. BTW, on total yards allowed, Pats defense with Brady was WORSE THAN Packers defense with Rodgers. So you have an idea how the defense would be like with Rodgers and Peyton .
    ==========

    Rodgers – 28 ppg in the playoffs
    Brady – 27

    Packed defense ppg.. compared to Belichicks D… NO contest whatsoever.

  135. I’m a Patriots fan but I have to agree with Bart Scott. Even the greatest defensive mind in football history Belichick admitted facing Peyton was tough.

  136. You guys seem to forget when Brady was a game manager back then while Peyton was gobbling up MVPs. This is when Bart played.

    Yet another FALSE narrative..

    I’m his second season he was third in the NFL In pass attempts with over 600 behind Bledsoe and Gannon.

    Sorry but if you’re throwing the ball over 600 times you not just “managing the game”

    Tom Brady 02 602 pass attempts 3765 yards 28 tds 14 ints 85.7 rating
    Manning. 02 591 pass attempts 4100 yards 27 tds 19 ints

    There numbers are almost identical Brady more tds fewer ints
    Manning more yards
    But one a “game manager “ and one was “gobbling up MVPS”

    Next two seasons Brady again in the top5 in pass attempts and led the league in passing yards in 05

    It’s a false narrative that he was just a “game manager “
    Should you call a running back who led the league in rushing attempts a “situational back”

  137. Manning was the best QB and Brady is the Goat in the same sentence because there is a difference.

    And NO they are not different
    They literally mean the SAME thing.

    If you are called the greatest of all time it means you were the “BEST”
    at what you did.

    Michael Jordan is commonly referred to as the GOAT in Basketball… who’s the “best”?

  138. If Brady throws 47 ints next year and retires, he still wouldn’t tie Peyton. And that is with Brady playing 52 more games.

  139. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    June 20, 2022 at 12:45 pm
    I’m a Patriots fan but I have to agree with Bart Scott. Even the greatest defensive mind in football history Belichick admitted facing Peyton was tough.

    Yes he did. He said Peyton was the best QB he ever coached against.

  140. In 4 Super Bowls, Manning is 2-2 with 3 TDs and 5 INTs and a 74 QB rating. His second SB win came during a season when he missed 7 games due to injury and threw almost double the number of INTs to TDs. Let’s be honest about which QB was actually along for the ride in these SBs

  141. Packers defense ppg.. compared to Belichick D

    +++++++++++

    It doesn’t matter, because for Patriots to play in SB or to win SB, Patriots offense had to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games, something Rodgers wouldn’t be able to do with the cheap squad given be Belichick.

  142. How is this even a conversation? Peyton was a HOF qb, but Tommy boy just keeps on winning. Age is just a number. His D let him down in 2021 NFC champ. game. So close to back to back SBs with Tampa bay..

  143. Manning had 3 outstanding playoff games in 2003/2004 vs Denver. KC, and Denver (12 TDs 1 pick). You know, like Hostettler or Nick Foles or lots of other guys. In his other 24 playoff games he has 28 TDs and 24 picks. Pathetic is not a quality of GoaTs. Brady has 14 playoff GWD. Eli has 5. Peyton has 2. Forget Brady for a second. If you swapped Manning brothers Eli would have 3 or 4 rings and Peyton would have none.

  144. It doesn’t matter, because for Patriots to play in SB or to win SB, Patriots offense had to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games, something Rodgers wouldn’t be able to do with the cheap squad given be Belichick.
    ==========

    Brady played with 4 HOFrs; Gronk, Moss, Welker, Mankins

    Rodgers; 0

  145. Brady played with 4 HOFrs; Gronk, Moss, Welker, Mankins

    Wes Welker was great in NE but will not be in the HOF Mankins is a slim possibility..

  146. The Least Interesting Man Alive says:

    Brady played with 4 HOFrs; Gronk, Moss, Welker, Mankins

    Rodgers; 0

    ======================================

    Only Moss is a HOFer right now. And Brady only played a little over 2 years with him.

    And Davante Adams is way a head of Mankins and Welker on the potential HOFer list.

  147. First, he said the offenses were talentless. He says it all the time. He’s wrong.

    Mankins was a 6x All-Pro. Also on an All-Decade team. How many rings? He’ll get in.

    Welker pioneered a position. Might be by the Senior Committee, but I don’t think there’s any doubt. He played a big part in changing the passing game forever.

  148. The Least Interesting Man Alive says:

    Brady played with 4 HOFrs; Gronk, Moss, Welker, Mankins

    Rodgers; 0
    ——————————–
    Welker and Mankins won’t be in the HOF.

    Evans has a good shot though if he keeps it going for a couple more seasons.

  149. His D let him down in 2021 NFC champ. game.
    ——–
    If you mean the Rams game then… no.

    71 rating and 14 QBR. Only Tommy let Tommy down in that game.

  150. The Least Interesting Man Alive says:
    June 21, 2022 at 9:40 am

    Brady played with 4 HOFrs; Gronk, Moss, Welker, Mankins

    Rodgers; 0

    ——————-

    Welker won’t get in. He has no shot.

    Mankins might get in. For the packers I think Bakhtiari will get in at some point.

    No question Moss was a great addition at the end of his career for Brady. Unfortunately he really only had him for 1 year due to Brady’s injury and 2009 was kind of a nothing year.

    Gronk is the key guy. He made a huge difference for Brady over all these years. Rodgers honestly has never had a guy like that. Adams was the closest, and he left Rodgers voluntarily. Adams could make the HOF some day.

    That said, the supporting cast around Rodgers were very good. Nelson was kind of like an Edelman for example. Very good, but not quite HOF.

  151. Welker won’t get in. He has no shot.
    ==========

    I think he has a good shot, guess we’ll see.

    Just as a Patriot; 6 seasons, he averaged over 100 receptions and a 1000 yards. He was as big a part of that offense as anyone.

    Mankins resume is pretty much equal to Hutch, with rings.

    .. again, to the comment earlier; for a ‘cheap’ offense, Brady sure seemed to have some great talent around him.

    … I have no complaints regarding Rodgers offenses outside of waiting too long to pull the plug on McCarthy.

  152. 4theWin says:
    “Bart Scott just didn’t realize it. With Brady, it was death by a thousand cuts. You never feel any of them, but the end result is the same – Brady wins”

    Exactly! The best comment so far!

  153. Don’t fall for this, anyone who’s followed Ray Lewis and the rest of these guys for the past 20 years knows the Ravens defense hates Tom Brady more than anyone, whom they feel is overprotected by the league against them in particular.

    And any opportunity a Raven gets to take a shot at Brady and make him seem lesser, they will take. This is a personal shot not a genuine evaluation.

  154. Manning was surrounded by HoF-caliber receivers for his entire career, while Brady’s #1 receivers for most of his career were slot receivers (Welker/Edelman).

    Let’s just take a look at 2004 (Brady’s third Super Bowl win). I can see why defenses would be more afraid of an offense featuring Manning/Harrison/Wayne/Stokely/James than they would be of an offense featuring Brady/Branch/Givens/Patten/Dillon, for example.

    Yet throughout his career, Brady has put up comparable numbers to quarterbacks with a vastly superior offensive supporting cast, allowing his teams to invest more in their defenses. He has also played his best ball at the most important moments, which is something that’s missing from the resumes of quarterbacks like Manning/Rodgers.

    Now that Brady is finally on a team with a strong pair of starting outside receivers in his mid 40s, some people try to dismiss everything he accomplishes as the result of a “loaded team.” It’s bizarre.

  155. BTW Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd SB against Giants.
    —-
    So then you agree with me then that Tommy needs great players around him to be great and he ain’t no GOAT. He’s an Alex Smith clone. Smith is great when he has a great team around him, not so much when he doesn’t. Just like Tommy. Shut out by Taysom Hill’s Saints. We also saw that in the 2019 season his final year with the Patriots. Tommy and his 88 rating and 15th ranked offense had sweet jack squat to do with the team winning 12 games that year, that was all defense. That’s what Tommy looks like when he can’t rely on all stars around him to make him look better than his talent level.

    GOATs are supposed to elevate their team and make them better not rely on them to be great.

  156. whom they feel is overprotected by the league against them in particular.

    They’re not wrong.

  157. GoodellMustGo says:
    June 22, 2022 at 9:20 am
    BTW Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd SB against Giants.
    —-
    So then you agree with me then that Tommy needs great players around him to be great and he ain’t no GOAT. He’s an Alex Smith clone. Smith is great when he has a great team around him, not so much when he doesn’t. Just like Tommy. Shut out by Taysom Hill’s Saints. We also saw that in the 2019 season his final year with the Patriots. Tommy and his 88 rating and 15th ranked offense had sweet jack squat to do with the team winning 12 games that year, that was all defense. That’s what Tommy looks like when he can’t rely on all stars around him to make him look better than his talent level.

    GOATs are supposed to elevate their team and make them better not rely on them to be great.

    =============================

    Brady got more than a couple offensive players some sweet free agent contracts after productive Pats seasons. Also he’s the only player Belichick decided to keep around for 19 years despite having a fairly strict no expensive vets rule.

    Evidence of elevating teammates is overwhelming and irrefutable.

  158. I love how the fan club talks like Brady never had any weapons.

    Hello? Moss isn’t a weapon? Welker? Gronk? Evans? Godwin? Fournette? A Brown? T Brown? Branch? Edelman? Those aren’t weapons?

  159. No one said Brady “had no weapons”. He did though come within 2 dropped passes of beating Peyton in ’05 AFCCG with his WR1 being.. Reche Caldwell.

  160. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 23, 2022 at 8:42 am
    No one said Brady “had no weapons”. He did though come within 2 dropped passes of beating Peyton in ’05 AFCCG with his WR1 being.. Reche Caldwell.
    ——
    I’ve heard many times that Brady never had any weapons and Peyton did. Not true. Even in his first SB he had Troy Brown a pro bowl WR. Deion Branch was Super Bowl MVP in 03. Those guys aren’t nobody.

    With that said very true about the AFCCG even with that made up face guarding call…butI don’t think Brady had a great second half himself. 12-21 141 yards 1 TD and the game losing pick. Had three 3 and outs.

  161. GoodellMustGo says:
    June 23, 2022 at 11:01 am

    I’ve heard many times that Brady never had any weapons and Peyton did. Not true. Even in his first SB he had Troy Brown a pro bowl WR. Deion Branch was Super Bowl MVP in 03. Those guys aren’t nobody.

    ———————————————————————————-

    Brown and Branch were never anywhere near the same level as Marvin Harrison (Hall of Fame), Reggie Wayne (best season came after Manning left), Demaryius Thomas (destroyed the Steelers in the playoffs with Tebow under center), or Eric Decker (over 1,000 yards, 12 touchdowns with the Jets after he parted ways with Manning). In Peyton’s best year, Welker (Brady’s #1 for the better part of a decade) was actually Manning’s #3 receiver.

    Branch never had a 1,000-yard season; his production took a nose-dive when he went to Seattle in his fifth season; and his production picked back up to the 700-yard range when he returned to NE in the twilight of his career.

    Troy Brown was a fun player who could play offense or defense, but he averaged 486 receiving yards per year in his first 10 NFL seasons (I stopped counting after his top three statistical seasons).

  162. Compare rings between Brady and Manning….seems that defensess SHOULD have been more scared of Brady

  163. Mannings timing was out of this world afc south enjoyers know this all too well

  164. marthisdil says:
    June 24, 2022 at 6:25 pm
    Compare rings between Brady and Manning….
    —-
    Rings are a team accomplishment not a QB accomplishment.

    Dilfer has more rings than Marino but that doesn’t make him better.

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