Torrey Smith: Rookie dinners are BS, I’m glad veteran teammate Anquan Boldin taught me that

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The practice of veteran NFL players forcing rookies to pay for dinners that cost tens of thousands of dollars has once again been in the news lately, with Jets wide receiver Garrett Wilson expressing shock when told that he’ll have to spend $75,000 on a dinner for veteran teammates. One former NFL player is calling for an end to the practice.

Former NFL wide receiver Torrey Smith wrote on Twitter that rookie dinners are a terrible tradition, and he singled out fellow receiver Anquan Boldin, who was in his ninth NFL season when the Ravens drafted Smith in 2011, for protecting him from the practice.

Rookie dinners are BS! I’m glad I had an OG that realized teaching me to blow money is STUPID! It does not prove you belong on a team. Shout out to Anquan Boldin!” Smith wrote.

Smith noted that few NFL rookies are equipped to suddenly become millionaires, and a supportive veteran teammate would help those rookies learn about smart financial management, not stupid practices like dinners that cost more than a nice new car.

“Dudes come into the league with no financial literacy and real problems but folks think 50k dinners are cool! NAH!” Smith wrote.

Smith is right. People defend rookie dinners by pointing out that millionaire athletes can afford them, but that’s not the point. Yes, they can afford that particular dinner. What they can’t afford is to learn as a 21-year-old that being young and rich means routinely paying excessive bills for other people. That’s how so many rich 21-year-olds become broke 41-year-olds. The stories of NFL players making millions of dollars and having nothing left by the time they’re middle-aged are legion.

Rookie dinners are a practice that should end, and it’s the veteran players who should do the right thing and end them.

55 responses to “Torrey Smith: Rookie dinners are BS, I’m glad veteran teammate Anquan Boldin taught me that

  1. Especially with the new rookie wage scale, this ‘tradition’ should die. It was one thing when a rook came in making more than most the vets on the team, but those days are largely numbered.

  2. At this point are the veterans who already paid when they were rookies expecting a payback?
    It’s a stupid waste of money. Maybe after you won the SB…congrats

  3. Come on, $75 000 or even $100 000 for dinner is stupid, regardless of how much money you make. These guys that are taking advantage of the situation. They would never order these types of dinners if they had to pay for it.

    Is it surprising that Brady would be one of the clowns that would do this?

  4. I’m quite thrifty and would take the team to the Costco food court for pizza only.

  5. If they really wanted to do it right the vets would take the rookie out and all buy their own meals and then pay for the rookies.

  6. Yeah I thought it was a terrible practice. It would probably makes sense if the veterans paid for the rookies meal.
    I have no problem having the rookies help the equipment team by carrying the pads and helmets off the practice field but pinching their wallets? Nah

  7. I’d let them all eat their fill, then take myself out of the game right before the check comes: fake a medical emergency, have a team official rush in and hustle me out, have my agent call with some startling news on speakerphone…

    Then reveal at season’s end that the joke’s on them!

  8. This culture of rookie hazing, and especially of getting them to blow 5-10% of their annual income on a dinner to ‘prove’ they belong to the team has got to go, and should be ruthlessly enforced out by the organization. For a lot of these guys, they will only last 2-4 years, max, in the league. The vast majority of them will be happy to have saved that extra $50-75k when they are working as an insurance salesman in 5 years.

  9. The restaurants these players frequent come after the draft are like, “Shhhhhhhh.”

  10. Florio and Smith have the correct take. Its horrible financial training for a lot of people who’ve never had enough money for a $400.00 dinner, let alone one costing hundreds of thousands.

  11. Gotta remind these young ones what Marshawn Lynch said-
    “Take care of your chickens!”

  12. Yes, let’s tear all traditions down so nobody gets their little feelings hurt.

    Plenty of guys had to go through this and yet still managed to get their money right. It’s always someone/something else’s fault when they fail. Part of this is teaching these young “superstars” respect for the old dogs and that they still have to find their place on the team. Oh, the horror.

  13. Boldin is one of my favorite players of the past 20 years. The league is different now and dudes don’t get absolutely blasted over the middle, but this dude had NO FEAR going up in the middle of a pack of dudes in the gauntlet and fighting for the ball, which he got so many times. A true gamer. Makes me happy that he viewed childish and unnecessary “traditions” for what they are – total B.S.

  14. They would spend that money on something else stupid anyway. Won’t change much

  15. It is a form of hazing and hazing has largely been the focus of the military in getting phased out. I think it should stop. Allow these kids to save money. Having them do the rookie talent show is harmless and fun.

  16. It is stupid. You earn your respect on the field, not your ability to pay a bill. Hazing doesn’t build team chemistry at all. Carry the vets pads and sure your respect in other ways.

  17. Smith is NOT right and here’s why. If you attended a four year institution of higher learning with no financial literacy that’s on you for not taking college seriously. The goal of the rookie dinner is to humble the 1st round draft pick into understanding that they are not above the team regardless of what position they were drafted in because many come into the league with huge egos that if go unchecked make them locker room cancers later on.

    The problem is that they have to do them in the first place because apparently college isn’t teaching some of these guys humility (and math apparently). $75,000 isn’t even 1% of Garretts salary this year and that doesn’t even count the money he got from the Adidas shoe deal he had in college. Him complaining about spending some of that on team building is a red flag. He can more than afford it.

  18. spending stupid money on a dumb hazing dinner can only lead to resentment, but I bet Jack Del Rio is all for them!!!

  19. Agreed, nothing wrong with a little initiation, but making these guys cough up a game check to feed the older guys is lame.
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    AJM says:
    June 22, 2022 at 6:56 am
    Yeah I thought it was a terrible practice. It would probably makes sense if the veterans paid for the rookies meal.
    I have no problem having the rookies help the equipment team by carrying the pads and helmets off the practice field but pinching their wallets? Nah

  20. Torrey Smith has always been a class act, so it doesn’t surprise that he’s the one speaking up about this ridiculous tradition. I could not even imagine the negative effect something like this could have on a 21 year old kid trying to learn fiscal responsibility.

  21. Come on, $75 000 or even $100 000 for dinner is stupid, regardless of how much money you make. These guys that are taking advantage of the situation. They would never order these types of dinners if they had to pay for it.

    Is it surprising that Brady would be one of the clowns that would do this?
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    A league wide tradition but let’s single Brady out

  22. minime says:
    June 22, 2022 at 7:05 am
    Don’t like it?
    Find another job that pays as well.
    _______________

    What job requires you to treat the big bosses to a $75,000 meal when you first start working there?

  23. The goal of the rookie dinner is to humble the 1st round draft pick into understanding that they are not above the team regardless of what position they were drafted in because many come into the league with huge egos that if go unchecked make them locker room cancers later on.
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    Yes, the vet players who are racking up $500 shots of 1944 Ultra XXL Grand Reserve Tequila or whatever are doing it all because they want to teach the young player a lesson in humility.

  24. Torrey Smith was a good NFL wide receiver but an even better human being. Need more like him in this world.

  25. mrfrostyj says:
    June 22, 2022 at 8:34 am
    Smith is NOT right and here’s why. If you attended a four year institution of higher learning with no financial literacy that’s on you for not taking college seriously. The goal of the rookie dinner is to humble the 1st round draft pick into understanding that they are not above the team regardless of what position they were drafted in because many come into the league with huge egos that if go unchecked make them locker room cancers later on.

    The problem is that they have to do them in the first place because apparently college isn’t teaching some of these guys humility (and math apparently). $75,000 isn’t even 1% of Garretts salary this year and that doesn’t even count the money he got from the Adidas shoe deal he had in college. Him complaining about spending some of that on team building is a red flag. He can more than afford it.
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    The goal of the dinner has nothing to do with instilling humility. You need to learn the difference between having humility and humiliation. The dinner also has nothing to do with team building. Do you think that the rookies feel closer to people who just ripped them off for thousands of dollars?

    There is no goal associated with the dinner. Its singular purpose is for the veterans to get a fancy free meal.

  26. mrfrostyj says:
    June 22, 2022 at 8:34 am
    Smith is NOT right and here’s why. If you attended a four year institution of higher learning with no financial literacy that’s on you for not taking college seriously. The goal of the rookie dinner is to humble the 1st round draft pick into understanding that they are not above the team regardless of what position they were drafted in because many come into the league with huge egos that if go unchecked make them locker room cancers later on.

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    100% wrong. If you have any friends who ever played in the league they will let you know. You are broken down in camp, practise and film by your position coach and coordinator. They will show you where the pro standard is at and it makes college ball seem like pop warner, because EVERYONE in the NFL is a starter for Alabama. That’s were you learn that you are not above the team and you can’t just go out in win your match ups with ease. You have to prepared yourself at a different level to stay in the league. Rookie dinners are about the vets having some fun more than anything else.

  27. Wow these guys don’t eat cheap. Even if 75 guys attended that’s $1,000 per. What is one served at a dinner that costs $1,000. Must have been a lot of alcohol involved.

  28. mrfrostyj says:
    June 22, 2022 at 8:34 am
    Smith is NOT right and here’s why. If you attended a four year institution of higher learning with no financial literacy that’s on you for not taking college seriously. The goal of the rookie dinner is to humble the 1st round draft pick into understanding that they are not above the team regardless of what position they were drafted in because many come into the league with huge egos that if go unchecked make them locker room cancers later on.

    The problem is that they have to do them in the first place because apparently college isn’t teaching some of these guys humility (and math apparently). $75,000 isn’t even 1% of Garretts salary this year and that doesn’t even count the money he got from the Adidas shoe deal he had in college. Him complaining about spending some of that on team building is a red flag. He can more than afford it.

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    If a player has the money and is financially educated, and already a humble person, then what? Are you saying only the egotistical and financially uneducated players should be subject to this type of practice? If a player needs to be humbled, there are better ways, and that starts at the top of the organization by breeding the right environment.

  29. It’s funny reading back and seeing how many people support the veterans on this. So, let’s have a little perspective.

    If you start a job making $15-20 an hour and your new peers say it’s tradition you buy the entire department $300 of pizza, you’re going to be okay with that?

    I didn’t think so.

  30. The stupid thing is when a position group makes a late round or UDFA rookie pay for one of these outlandish meals.

  31. Why doesn’t the media ask the NFLPA to do something about this hazing?
    It’s not the NFL’s or Goodell’s problem, it’s the PLAYERS problem. Therefore, protecting NFL rookies from hazing by veteran players is a problem for the NFLPA.
    Based on the utter silence by the NFLPA, I believe that the NFLPA supports hazing at all levels.

  32. A better tradition would be to have the rookies MAKE dinner for the vets. ijs.

  33. Making them sing their fight song or whatever,…THAT seems appropriate. Intimidation to spend an insane amount on a dinner for guys who make 4, 5…10-times as much as them….that’s kinda sick. No matter your background, suddenly making millions, or even several hundred thousand dollars is an impossible expectation for a 22 year old. These guys should be required to invest some percentage in retirement or some kind of firm guidance should be given. I’d say any NFL veteran who participates in this should be ashamed. Even worse, any coach or team management that condones it should be fired.

  34. It may just be me but I think you end up with a better teammate with practices that promote morale and camaraderie instead of practices like this which bring resentment. And if I have a teammate who feels it’s more important that I spend big bucks on expensive cigars and drinks for him rather than on things that may benefit my family, I’m gonna be worried about his priorities.

  35. NIL means that most of these guys will be millionaires before they get their first NFL check.

    Sure, it’s a dumb practice. But let’s not feel too sorry for the elite wealthy, a group of which every single one of these players is a member.

    They’re not us. They’re in a different economic class.

  36. oldgoat says:

    Yes, let’s tear all traditions down so nobody gets their little feelings hurt.
    +++++
    Not all traditions. Just the clearly stupid ones.

  37. It’s a way that veterans gauge the rookie loyalty to the team as petty as this is it’s no worse than having to carry the vet’s dirty laundry for the entirety of the season or having your items stolen and messed with by vets either. Hazing isn’t going to go away in football, college, or even professional environments. Although one way I’d make this practice slightly more tolerable would be to have the rookies either have barbeques that they have to cook for the teammates or have them bring breakfast for them. Brady had to carry donuts and dirty laundry for the vets for the first 2 years he was in New England which why he was so ruthless later regarding hazing.

  38. I used to serve and bartend in fine dining and being on that side. It was great I used to be so excited to work those nights. I recall we made almost 10k I split with my server in one night. With that said its great for the service industry

  39. One question. So for the remainder of his career did he stand up and make sure there were no rookie dinners?

    Just asking

  40. Aside from the top tier most guys spend a couple of years in the league and vanish. It’s okay to say no to crap like this.

  41. For what it’s worth, apparently there is little difference between professional athletics and the mob. Newly made men are treated just like rookies in the NFL…

  42. “A league wide tradition but let’s single Brady out”

    1. I singled out Brady because he was singled out in the prior article.
    2. Because it’s true.

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