Lamar Jackson isn’t holding out, will he “hold in”?

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Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson has reported for training camp. So he’s not holding out.

But here’s the real question. Will Jackson hold in?

It’s become a more common device in recent years. Players who aren’t happy with their contracts nevertheless show up, attend meetings, participate in preparations for the season, but don’t practice.

Steelers linebacker T.J Watt did it last year, and it worked for everyone. He got a market-setting contract, and he tied the single-season sack record.

Jackson should not do anything until he gets his contract, now that he has pivoted from not wanting a new contract to trying to get one. If he had an agent, that’s what an agent would tell him to do.

An agent also would tell Jackson to insist on a fully-guaranteed deal, especially since Kyler Murray didn’t get one.

The numbers should be easy at this point. Deshaun Watson go $46 million per year. Murray got $46.1 million. Jackson should try to get $46.2 million.

The challenge becomes the guarantees. Especially in light of the physical manner in which Jackson plays the position. The Ravens surely will use Murray’s deal to support the argument against fully guaranteeing the contract. With or without an agent, it could be very hard to get the Ravens to yield on that point.

But Jackson should nevertheless try. The question is whether he’d walk away from $46.2 million per year, with the same guarantee structure that Murray received.

45 responses to “Lamar Jackson isn’t holding out, will he “hold in”?

  1. I doubt it since he reported a week early for camp. More then likely so he can negotiate his contract in person and get it done before vets report next week.

  2. Why are you so obsessed with stirring up controversy with Lamar’s contract when it’s not there ? He’s not holding out, in or any other kind of holding. He’s reporting early and STILL we need to find a “hidden meaning”. Newsflash, Lamar will handle this camp exactly like his previous 4. Nothing to see here.

  3. I have a feeling he’s waiting for the backup spot behind Deshaun Watson.

  4. Jackson is going to refuse to throw a spiral until he agrees to a deal….

  5. Sigh..no way i give him a fully guaranteed deal. Also, 46 mill is way to much for one guy on a team. Not sure what cap is this year…bit over 200 mill maybe? Your talking 20-25% of you cap for one guy. Really hard to keep your other quality players with those kind of numbers.

  6. “Steelers linebacker T.J Watt did it last year, and it worked for everyone. He got a market-setting contract, and he tied the single-season sack record.”

    T.J. Watt also has one of the simplest jobs in the entire NFL, and one that is not the hub for the rest of the team.

    A QB is a whole different ball game. They’re the computer that runs the offense. Every detail that isn’t practiced to the point of being automatic turns into a liability in game play. For all his talent, Jackson has a lot of those liabilities. What is he doing to fix them?

  7. There is no way Lame should be paid $46 million per year. He’s won as many playoff games as Kirk Cousins so pay him what Kirk Cousins makes per year.

  8. In the first place, the team is ready & willing to engage him in talks. Lamar says they’re talking.
    Jackson professes to love ball so much that I would be shocked if he didn’t take part in camp.
    The smart money says that he should sit, but his chance of getting injured is minimal. Yes, there could be a soft tissue or ankle injury, but he won’t play in any games anyway..
    I don’t know, but I don’t think he’s wired to even sit out practice.

  9. kevpft says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:27 pm
    “Steelers linebacker T.J Watt did it last year, and it worked for everyone. He got a market-setting contract, and he tied the single-season sack record.”

    A QB is a whole different ball game. They’re the computer that runs the offense. Every detail that isn’t practiced to the point of being automatic turns into a liability in game play. For all his talent, Jackson has a lot of those liabilities. What is he doing to fix them?
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    It is quite unfair to question Lamar’s mental acuity, both in general and in playing quarterback. Not one of his detractors on this issue has ever been in the meeting rooms or huddle with Lamar. Not one of them has any idea how much time he spends studying film and the playbook.

  10. I’m calling a holding penalty on PFT for holding onto this topic of discussion too long. LOL

  11. gibson45 says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:45 pm
    kevpft says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:27 pm
    “Steelers linebacker T.J Watt did it last year, and it worked for everyone. He got a market-setting contract, and he tied the single-season sack record.”

    A QB is a whole different ball game. They’re the computer that runs the offense. Every detail that isn’t practiced to the point of being automatic turns into a liability in game play. For all his talent, Jackson has a lot of those liabilities. What is he doing to fix them?
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    It is quite unfair to question Lamar’s mental acuity, both in general and in playing quarterback. Not one of his detractors on this issue has ever been in the meeting rooms or huddle with Lamar. Not one of them has any idea how much time he spends studying film and the playbook.

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    It’s not unfair. Tim Tebow ran a lot for a reason, too. He’s not quick to process and read his progressions.

    He didn’t last long in the league once all his run based formations and plays ran their course on tape.

    Lamar Jackson’s skill set has peaked and his future is compromised.

    You Ravens are clueless and crazy. You’re crazy to want to give him 40 mil per. Crazy.

  12. If he walks he’ll get it (the $46.2) next year when Cleveland is looking for their next QB – after the inevitable bungling & mismanagement of all rostered QBs this year.

  13. Pay him the franchise number this year.

    If he wins a few playoff games this year pay him market value next year.

    If he doesn’t, franchise him again.

    Haven’t won enough playoff game to warrant the numbers being thrown around, and I’m a Lamar fan and supporter.

    The Cardinals and Browns made a mistake. Don’t follow suit.

  14. His camp reports that he will participate , but will refuse to throw accurately, mostly 2-3 feet over his WRs heads, and he’ll only play like an athletic QB that resorts to tucking it in and running.

  15. Hahaha and just like that, Jakson is the smartest guy in the room. Like I said from day one, 50 mil a year, 250 guaranteed. What’s wrong? I thought you guys and the rest of the AFC would be happy? Ahahaha…

  16. Kyler Murray isn’t worth $230M and Lamar isn’t either. The sand is already running through the hour glass for both of these guys. An injury here and there and suddenly 1/2 step is lost and their effectiveness is gone.
    Herberts and Burrow will get and deserve big money next year. Both guys are similar to Mahomes, true long-term franchise QBs.

  17. Good for him. He’s a good soldier, but he won’t be breaking the bank in Baltimore. The owner learned his lesson the hard way when he paid $100M for Flacco after their last Superbowl win. That screwed up the Raven’s in the worst way. They literally had no money to pay anyone else and were pillaged after that. It’s only now that they’ve become highly competitive again.

    And, nothing against Jackson, but his style of play will not keep him upright for much longer. He may get a handsome contract, but I don’t see Baltimore breaking the bank for this QB. To much risk involved to give him that type of $$$$$

  18. “An agent also would tell Jackson to insist on a fully-guaranteed deal, especially since Kyler Murray didn’t get one.” That doesn’t make any sense. Spoken like a true agent.

  19. Kayla Murray is not worth $230 million so that is a false starting point. Granted Lame is a better running back, but overall success rate in his career is based upon playoff wins and he is simply Kirk Cousins with a worse passing game and a better running one.

  20. touchback6 says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:58 pm
    gibson45 says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:45 pm
    kevpft says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:27 pm
    “Steelers linebacker T.J Watt did it last year, and it worked for everyone. He got a market-setting contract, and he tied the single-season sack record.”

    A QB is a whole different ball game. They’re the computer that runs the offense. Every detail that isn’t practiced to the point of being automatic turns into a liability in game play. For all his talent, Jackson has a lot of those liabilities. What is he doing to fix them?
    _____________

    It is quite unfair to question Lamar’s mental acuity, both in general and in playing quarterback. Not one of his detractors on this issue has ever been in the meeting rooms or huddle with Lamar. Not one of them has any idea how much time he spends studying film and the playbook.

    10Rate This

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    It’s not unfair. Tim Tebow ran a lot for a reason, too. He’s not quick to process and read his progressions.

    He didn’t last long in the league once all his run based formations and plays ran their course on tape.

    Lamar Jackson’s skill set has peaked and his future is compromised.

    You Ravens are clueless and crazy. You’re crazy to want to give him 40 mil per. Crazy.

    *****************************************************************************

    41-17 !!! OFCOURSE YOU PAY THE MAN!

  21. He shows up to camp the first day QBs and injured vets are allowed in the building. He says he loves football and holding out was not going to happen. I seriously doubt he was thinking “I won’t hold out. I’ll show up the first day I am eligible and refuse to do anything”. After watching him for 4 years now it should be clear this isn’t how he acts.

  22. I love watching Lamar play but paying him that kind of guaranteed money with the style he plays is a recipe for disaster for the Ravens.

  23. Will chuckle seeing the Ravens paying $40+ mill/yr to Lame-Arm for, maybe, one more win than the Steelers. Meanwhile the Steelers will be committing $7 mill to Trubisky.

  24. when will the madness stop….48 million for a qb that has injuries is preposterous….

  25. Lamar’s career stats against the Steelers are truly wretched.
    QBR 67.4
    Average passing ypg: 127
    Average rushing ypg: 43
    4 TDs, 6 INTs.

    Until he can show some signs of beating the Steelers, he will be way overpaid.

  26. This guy doesn’t throw dimes. That’s why he’s so good at throwing to TE with a big radius for error. I could see why the Ravens don’t want to let him go, right now, but they built this team around running, protection and TE. There’s a reason why he doesn’t have a great WR room. When he starts to lose his elite scrambling ability, and include the injury risk at how he plays, how could you give him a long term deal? I get it, the Ravens built this team to win now so they need him at this moment. But giving him a long term deal would be a mistake IMO.

  27. Lamar Jackson is playing the PERFECT game moneywise especially if the team doesn’t want to make his full contract Guarantee, Because Lamar would be perfectly fine just DINING OUT on the TAG every Season which would make him shatter the yearly avg at his position. And i know many of us are saying what if he gets injured. Well if its not career ending he could still come back and get his money regardless of the team. I don’t know if this is his plan but if it was its brilliant.

  28. John Morris says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:15 pm
    Newsflash, Lamar will handle this camp exactly like his previous 4. Nothing to see here.
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    Just like he handles OTAs the previous four years… then he skipped this one.

  29. Can you please, please stop saying Lamar should be worth $46mm? Why are the facts so hard to accept here? Yes, he had a great year 3 YEARS AGO when the Ravens built an offense which allowed him to run a lot, and mix in short throws to his TEs, and it was very successful because he’s an incredible athlete and they shredded regular to poor defenses. Since then, he’s gone nowhere but downhill. He’s now injured. Last season in 7 games he was probably the worst QB in the entire league. Has never won in the playoffs or against good defenses. MOst defenses have now adjusted. I’m all for promoting great players, but he’s no longer a great QB. Running QBs have never made it in the NFL over time and Lamar is no different.

  30. Baltimore will not guarantee any contract with Jackson. They may not even care if Jackson signs or not. Don’t think they see Jackson as a true part of the SB puzzle.

  31. Hopefully Lamar will come to his senses and realize that running backs who can occasionally make some throws aren’t worth $45M per season..

  32. John Morris says:
    July 21, 2022 at 2:15 pm
    Why are you so obsessed with stirring up controversy with Lamar’s contract when it’s not there ? He’s not holding out, in or any other kind of holding. He’s reporting early and STILL we need to find a “hidden meaning”. Newsflash, Lamar will handle this camp exactly like his previous 4. Nothing to see here.

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    Maybe. Or maybe Lamar is thinking; either pay me, or after next year you’ll have to pay me $60 million a year under the franchise tag. Who’s really holding the cards?

  33. I don’t get the hate for this guy? He’s an exciting player. Regardless of what his contract value is…next year a bunch of other qbs are going to sign bigger deals. It’s how the NFL is now

  34. osayweall says:
    July 21, 2022 at 3:23 pm
    His camp reports that he will participate , but will refuse to throw accurately, mostly 2-3 feet over his WRs heads
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Some would say that 2-3 feet over his WRs heads is an accurate throw for Lamar.

  35. . Running QBs have never made it in the NFL over time and Lamar is no different.
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    Fran Tarkenton and Steve Young were both “running quarterbacks who will never make it in the NFL” according to all the pundits back then.

    Some folks never learn.

  36. Lamar has no agent, so he can take 3% less and still be the highest (net) paid QB…

  37. Call me old fashioned, but let me check the stats. In 2021, he was 23rd in QBR, 25th in yards passing, 25th in net yards passing, 24th in TDs, 12th worst in interceptions, 3rd worst in interception %, and 23rd in completion %. In 2020, he was 16th in QBR, 25th in yards passing, 20th in net yards passing, 14th in TDs, 10th worst in interceptions, 9th worst in interception %, and 28th in completion %. I guess I’m not very good in math, because to me that puts him close to being one of the worst QBs in the league the past two years.

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