Ravens should offer Lamar Jackson the Kyler Murray deal, right now

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After the Bills signed quarterback Josh Allen to a long-term deal, and after the details became available, we suggested that Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson ask for the same deal. After the Browns signed quarterback Deshaun Watson to a long-term deal, we made the same argument.

Now that the Cardinals have signed quarterback Kyler Murray to a long-term contract, the Ravens should be trying to get Jackson to agree to the same terms.

The Ravens should kick in an extra $500,000 to the five-year contract, making it a five-year, $231 million extension. New-money average of $46.2 million per year. Jackson gets $100,000 more per year in new money than Murray, who got $100,000 more per year in new money than Watson.

The key for the team will be the other terms. Only $103 million fully guaranteed at signing, not $230 million. Millions tied to participating in offseason workouts and playing in games. While it would be a good, fair deal for Jackson, it would fall far short of the contract that Cleveland gave Watson.

For Jackson, it technically would be a six-year, $254 million contract, thanks to the $23 million he’s already due to make this year and the $231 million in new money. That would become a contract with an average value of $42.3 million from signing.

It’s a win-win for the Ravens and Jackson. It’s even more of a win for the Ravens, given that Watson’s deal ended up being so damn strong, given that he was able to pit the Browns against three other teams to get it.

The problem for the Ravens is that Jackson doesn’t have an agent. It makes it more difficult, more delicate. The simplest solution would be to make Jackson’s deal a little bit better than Murray’s, and hope to finally move on.

81 responses to “Ravens should offer Lamar Jackson the Kyler Murray deal, right now

  1. Should they? Maybe they don’t want to pay him the market rate for top-level quarterbacks because they don’t think he is one. They made a mistake with paying Joe Flacco but at least he won them a Superbowl.

  2. He would probably prefer to sign with a team that has a chance to compete for a championship.

  3. I really do not want Lamar to sign an extension. I want him to go to free agency. Force the Ravens to franchise you in 2023 and 2024 then hit the free market in 2025. Is there risk? Indeed there is. Imagine the leverage when he hits free agency.

  4. Umm, no, they shouldn’t.

    They should take a high 2nd rder and a 4th for him and run.

  5. NO THEY SHOULDN’T…. They should offer him a four year incentive based contract that makes him EARN his money. He’s yet to prove he’s a top flight quarterback, and he’s already shown he folds like a lawn chair come playoff time

  6. pretty soon the yearly salaries will come down due to no one being able to afford tickets

  7. That’s an awful lot of cap space to devote to a scat-back who occasionally throws an errant pass.

  8. I love Lamar, but he’s quircky. I’m willing to bet he plays this season out, has his 2nd MVP season, and goes on to sign with another team for an astounding record breaking contract. Thus far dude has shown zero hesitation betting on himself.

  9. Why pay someone that kind of money just to lose to Burrow every year? He should go to the NFC.

  10. If only the Ravens thought so little of him as some of these fans. They would let him play out his contract and walk for nothing. Scat back? Preposterous!

  11. jarahawk says:
    July 22, 2022 at 8:26 pm
    I really do not want Lamar to sign an extension. I want him to go to free agency. Force the Ravens to franchise you in 2023 and 2024 then hit the free market in 2025. Is there risk? Indeed there is. Imagine the leverage when he hits free agency.

    Force? The Ravens best move is to franchise him, at least in 2023. What do you think Lamar will look like after another 3 years? Do you think he’ll learn to read defenses over the next 3 years – no? Will he get faster or more elusive over the next 3 years – no? More likely is that injuries will start taking a toll as they do with all running QB’s and that his overall effectiveness will be in decline.
    By tagging him the Ravens avoid the long-term commitment, which is the right move for any QB you don’t see improving over the long term.

  12. Jackson does not deserve as much as Murray as Murray is a more accurate passer

  13. “They should pay him double Murray’s deal” … every AFC team.

  14. It doesn’t matter. The next 10 years will be Burrow, Herbert Allen and Mahomes running the afc

  15. Maybe I am wrong, but hasn’t it been a long time since a team has won a Super Bowl with a top 5 paid quarterback?

  16. Call me old fashioned, but let me check the stats. In 2021, he was 23rd in QBR, 25th in yards passing, 25th in net yards passing, 24th in TDs, 12th worst in interceptions, 3rd worst in interception %, and 23rd in completion %. In 2020, he was 16th in QBR, 25th in yards passing, 20th in net yards passing, 14th in TDs, 10th worst in interceptions, 9th worst in interception %, and 28th in completion %. I guess I’m not very good in math, because to me that puts him close to being one of the worst QBs in the league the past two years.

  17. madcapdawgfan says:
    July 22, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    He would probably prefer to sign with a team that has a chance to compete for a championship.
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    100% of free agents and imminent free agents say that; 99.5% of them take the biggest money offered.

  18. After placing low on the Madden QB list that just came out, LJ won’t sign anything til the season’s over. He wants to show everyone this year he’s better than the low ranking he got. He will pull a Flacco. Whether he pulls it off is a different story.

  19. Could a team fully guarantee years 3, 4, and 5? That way, they tie up cash with the funding rule on the backend. The front end would be guaranteed as a practical matter because who will cut a player in year 1 or 2 right after signing them to a massive contract? On paper and per funding rule, it wouldn’t all be guaranteed, but from a practical standpoint it would be.

  20. Eventually you have to operate within the pocket at a high level of efficiency to justify such a contract for a QB.

    A running QB does face a drop off in play with being your team best rusher.

    Murray being smaller, is a true gamble. Jackson being older with more wear on the tires and alot of tape to watch, just isn’t the riddle for defenses to figure out that he once was.

    Trade him. Get multiple 1s and call it a day.

  21. The Ravens are going to overpay Jackson. They really need to stop waiting for him to engage them and just make him an offer to at least mitigate the amount they will ultimately overpay him by.

  22. The talking heads on TV said he should be the highest paid, that is absolutely nuts. The only thing that him and Murray have in common is they both fast and small. One of these days one of those grown men is going to hit them and it will not be pretty. Murray is overpaid and Lamar will be as well. Actually I think they all are overpaid, the players in years past played real football not this video game league they have now. The old players are the ones who should have gotten paid like these guys.

  23. If he accepts the same deal as Murray he automatically makes 10% more because he doesn’t have an agent… it called smart business

  24. ill get a lot of grief but I think hes more of the Ravens system than a good QB. You just got to run a passing game better than that.. If you really want to go places. I dont think the current offense is sustainable long term. Sorry but I see him as expendable. I wouldnt want to sign him long term.

  25. nhpats2011 says:
    July 22, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    Jackson does not deserve as much as Murray as Murray is a more accurate passer
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    QBs are paid on past and potential performance and next man up $$. Having said that, Lamar deserves more. And Kyler is actually the most accurate QB in the league. The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?

  26. The Ravens would be smart to trade him. QBs of a similar talent level like Kirk Cousins and an aging Matt Ryan have been available for next to nothing and will continue to be. Jackson had one great season and was otherwise mediocre, and one could easily argue that Cousins and Ryan are better QBs right now, plus Jackson does not project to age well or stay healthy.

  27. Lamar Jackson will sign a big fat contract and never win anything but financial security.

  28. let him walk. ain’t never gonna get to the divisional round with him running the O.

  29. Have we not learned anything from Tom Brady? It’s apparent no team has learned that paying these premiums for QBs to “try” and win now doesn’t work.

    The reason Tom Brady has those rings is because he was ok with making less money, and building a Championship caliber team around him.

    It blows my mind that owners don’t pick up on this. Paying these contracts to QBs are getting by basically mortgaging their future team success away to win now is ridiculous. You know what brings more money in than having mediocre QBs signed for inflated contracts?

    Long term success. That’s where the money is at. No fan is happy watching a 40 million dollar Qb on the team they root for not be able to win a damn playoff team because the team can’t field quality team with those outrageous contracts for ONE player. Who wants to pay to go watch that?

  30. “…he folds like a lawn chair come playoff time.”

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    Agreed; he hasn’t proven anything when it really counts. The defenses of good (i.e., playoff) teams have figured him out. Paying him what Joe Burrow should get is ridiculous!

  31. I still don’t get the logic of paying the guy top of market money just cause he’s next. You would think goff and wentz are enough to teach owners and front offices a lesson. I guess not.

  32. When Murray is OROY, LEAGUE MVP & MOST IMPORTANTLY 41-17 then Lamar should accept the same deal. Tuh…. The Gall…………

  33. Force? The Ravens best move is to franchise him, at least in 2023.

    Then we agree (albeit for totally different reasons).

    It doesn’t matter to me why the Ravens franchise him as long as they do it.

  34. For all we know they already might have. It’s surprising no numbers have leaked. We have no idea what Jackson is asking for.

  35. The dumbest thing he can do is play out this season without a new contract. Every QB is potentially one hit away from being RG3. Especially running QB’s like Lamar and Murray.

  36. I have a feeling that we will look back at some if these huge QB and WR contracts at this time next year and say: “What where they thinking?”

  37. I love watching Lamar Jackson. He is a very exciting player. I hope he stays in the North with the Ravens because it will be an exciting division with Lamar, Deshaun, and Burrow.

  38. Lamar deserves to be paid more than kyler murray..the thing is that kyler murray didn’t deserve to be paid what he got. Whatever happend to prove it first then get paid

  39. The kyler Murray deal doesn’t affect Lamar at all because he was always going to make more than kyler. Lamar is a 50mil a year man and he was a month ago and he will be a week from now.

  40. Murray wasn’t even worth half of his deal and neither is Jackson. Neither can throw the ball very well and rely on certain weapons to bail them out.

  41. Mac Jones is far ahead of any of these elite qbs. He is so far ahead he is teaching coaches playbooks and he is his own coordinator now in NE.

    Just brilliant.

    Lamar? He’s still trying to get through his first Hardy Boys book.

  42. Lamar shouldn’t sign anything as long as there is a Dan Synder or David Tepper or Jim Irsay willing to do any thing to turn around their run down franchise and excite their abused fanbase.

  43. The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?

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    It’s because Allen can absolutely rip the football and he is highly athletic. He is leaps and bounds ahead of Murray and Jackson should be his backup at best.

  44. theterribletruth says:
    July 23, 2022 at 12:24 am

    Have we not learned anything from Tom Brady? It’s apparent no team has learned that paying these premiums for QBs to “try” and win now doesn’t work.

    The reason Tom Brady has those rings is because he was ok with making less money, and building a Championship caliber team around him.
    ———–

    No, Tom Brady “has those rings” because he coupled good physical skills with an unhealthy, fanatical, obsessive desire to win, win, and always win. That is why he is still playing after pretending to retire: He realizes that once he cannot play a simple game with a well-crafted structure suited to his attributes, he will have nothing to live for.

  45. doctorrumack says:
    July 22, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Why pay someone that kind of money just to lose to Burrow every year? He should go to the NFC
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    What? The Steelers and Ravens will always be the class of the AFC North. All the Browns and Bengals can do is be one-hit wonders here and there. The Bungles ain’t sneaking up on anybody this year or luck their way to a SB again. The Ravens will easily own the Bengals again, no doubt about it.

  46. Why? Baltimore has control over him for this season, next season and the year after thanks to the franchise tag.

    Let’s say they offer him $45M a year now, and he completely falls apart. Now what do they do?

    On the flip side, let’s say Baltimore wins the next 3 Championships. Fine, now you know you can trust him and you can give him a mega deal.

    NFL teams have control of QBs for the first 7 years. There is no reason to give them a mega deal before that, especially considering it has NEVER WORKED. Not once has it worked out for a team.

  47. wardo says:
    July 23, 2022 at 11:40 am

    The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?

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    It’s because Allen can absolutely rip the football and he is highly athletic. He is leaps and bounds ahead of Murray and Jackson should be his backup at best
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    Backup, really? I don’t see an MVP trophy on Allen’s mantle and Lamar has slew of NFL records. And my point is Lamar gets nothing but hate, Allen gets nothing but praise, but where are the accomplishments to warrant this and in turn, denigrate the other guy?

  48. Trade a 3rd and 7th to San Fran for Garapollo, renegotiate his contract and give him a chance to earn starter money if he stays healthy, and return to a more traditional offensive attack and either trade Lamar or let him walk rather than paint yourself into an offensive style corner for the next decade. The Ravens were 8-9 last season but 6 of there losses were by 3 points or less. Four of them were by 1 point and one was by 2 points. They could not score reliably at the end of games due to limits on the pass game. Jimmy G wins 70% of his games. If he won half of those close games, the Ravens would have won their division, likely knocked Cincy out of the playoffs, and if he won 4-5 of those games they wcould have been the #1 seed and perhaps in the Super Bowl. Jimmy is cheaper and could be better for this team, and he has 5-6 good years left, maybe more. It would be a bold move, but the Ravens have the staff and history to do it and get away with it. Some fans and players may grumble, but success would shut that down quick. The AFC Central isn’t exactly the toughest division. Make the switch now, and you’ll probably win the Division for the foreseeable future. Cincy had a Cinderella run last season, Cleveland is a perpetual mess, and the Steelers are trying to figure out who can play QB. The Ravens could win that division for years if they make this move.

  49. patsfan1818 says:
    July 23, 2022 at 8:54 am

    Murray wasn’t even worth half of his deal and neither is Jackson. Neither can throw the ball very well and rely on certain weapons to bail them out.
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    Lamar does have throwing issues, but it’s more based on lack of concentration than ability. You don’t luck your way to 36 TDs and a 113 passer rating. Murray can’t throw? I guess not, he only has the NFL record for completion percentage for a player’s first 3 seasons.

  50. The cap’s about to rise significantly with all the TV money. I’m not sure even giving him a Watson-like contract would cripple the Ravens’ cap situation down the road.

  51. ‘The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?’

    Pull it down and run QBs don’t spend as much time reading the field and learning to dissect defenses. Additional physical wear and tear on their bodies usually means a shorter shelf life. And playoff calibre defenses usually have what it takes to stop them.

  52. savagestarlight says:
    July 23, 2022 at 2:50 pm

    ‘The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?’

    Pull it down and run QBs don’t spend as much time reading the field and learning to dissect defenses. Additional physical wear and tear on their bodies usually means a shorter shelf life. And playoff calibre defenses usually have what it takes to stop them.
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    Another misconception with Jackson’s game. Lamar lead the league in getting sacked at the time of his injury. Mainly due to him hanging in the pocket too long trying to make a play. If you watched Ravens games, you would know this. He really should have tucked and run more often.
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  53. Should? Why because he’s the next QB up? If the Cardnals wanted to pay him more than Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen and everyone else not named Rogers and Watson good for them. This doesn’t mean the Ravens need to pay anywhere close to that. What next Joe Borrow and Trevor Lawrance “Should” get more then Rogers because in 2 and 3 years that’s the going rate? Should Russell Wilson and Dak sit out until he’s gets Rogers money?

  54. Ravens need to move on from this guy asap. Otherwise, an incentive-based contract, with making the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs primary among the incentives.

  55. He’s a QB who can run the ball. Something like he’s still in the NCAA not the big boy league. He is a risk for injury and bad decision making so don’t sign this guy for K. Murray money. He just ain’t worth it.

  56. nite2al says:
    July 22, 2022 at 11:45 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    July 22, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    Jackson does not deserve as much as Murray as Murray is a more accurate passer
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    QBs are paid on past and potential performance and next man up $$. Having said that, Lamar deserves more. And Kyler is actually the most accurate QB in the league. The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?

    Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx

    Well after that Miami game last year, and seeing Josh Allen twice a year….I can say without hesitation, Josh Allen in 2021 was the superior player and QB. And the facts (stats) back me up.

    I wonder though, why must some always play the race card? I mean you have multiple responses to people but had to play dirty pool with the race card.

    No wonder no one takes that charge seriously anymore.

    Trade Jackson, get your picks and move on. Or rebuild that offense for another 3 year run and hope your QB stays healthy.

  57. Kyler Murray is not worthy of his contract for starters. Lamar Jackson should get a top RB contract.

  58. Lamar Jackson is just an average QB. He gets injured often. He hasn’t played for an entire season since 2018

    Why would anyone think that Jackson deserves as good a deal as Murray?

  59. Kirk Cousins gave all QBs in this situation the blueprint. Play this yr. out, franchise the next 2 yrs., then hit the market again. I don’t think that’s what LJ will do, but Cousins showed how to really maximize the money playing that position.

  60. I believe Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. I also believe James White is the best RB, Judon the best LB, and Moses Cabrera is the best strength coach. Signed-Touchback

  61. First off, the correct way to say that J Allen isn’t criticized is “except Allen” not “accept Allen”. Second, Allen has an accurate howitzer arm, unlike Jax & Murray. That is fact, not race-baiting. He runs when the play breaks down, on his second or third read. Not out of panic, like Murray & Jax.

  62. Kirk Cousins gave all QBs in this situation the blueprint. Play this yr. out, franchise the next 2 yrs., then hit the market again. I don’t think that’s what LJ will do, but Cousins showed how to really maximize the money playing that position.

    Exactly and Florio said the same thing in Playmakers.

    “Cousins would then demonstrate to all current and future players the power of ignoring the team’s offers and going year by year.”

    No player who never makes it to free agency will ever realize their true value. It is bad enough that the NFL has a salary cap and then on top of that they have this Franchise Tag system which further depresses wages. There need to be more quarterbacks who have the courage to risk security of the long term contract to make it to free agency. There is a risk but as Cousins demonstrated there is also a great reward once free agency is reached. I think Lamar should go for it and not be ashamed of doing so.

  63. QBs are paid on past and potential performance and next man up $$. Having said that, Lamar deserves more. And Kyler is actually the most accurate QB in the league. The hate for these running QBs is deep, accept Allen. Hmmm, I wonder why?////////////////////////// Ummm maybe because running qb’s are typically not good qb’s. Name one qb considered a running qb that could hang passing wise with the top qb’s in their time. There isn’t any. So whatever bias you think there is, no it’s that history shows running qb’s are average at best throwers. So why pay an average thrower more than anyone in the league? And Allen is not a running qb. He has probly the strongest arm in NFL history, and he’s mobile. Big difference from what Jackson brings, which is pedestrian qb numbers.

  64. I hate the Ravens, But LJ’s throwing numbers arent pedestrian.
    They are above average. Tack on above average running numbers and the other matchup problems he causes for defenses and he deserves to be paid.
    Besides, If I’m wrong and the Ravens pay him, and he doesnt pan out, it’s likely a win for my Steelers.

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