Patrick Mahomes: It’s weird when Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and I get criticism others don’t

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The “homework clause” that the Cardinals said they removed from Kyler Murray‘s new contract has been making waves across the league all week.

Those extended to Missouri on Friday, where quarterback Patrick Mahomes held an early camp press conference. The 2018 MVP was asked if, given recent anonymous comments about him being a “streetball” quarterback and the revelations about Murray’s contract, he feels he’s evaluated differently because he’s a Black quarterback.

“I don’t want to go that far and say that,” Mahomes said. “Obviously, the Black quarterback has had to battle to be in this position that we are, to have this many guys in the league playing. And I think every day we’re proving that we should’ve been playing the whole time. We’ve got guys that think just as well as they can use their athleticism.

“So it always is weird when you see guys like me, Lamar [Jackson], Kyler kind of get that on them and other guys don’t. But at the same time, we’re going to go out there and prove ourselves every day to show that we can be some of the best quarterbacks in the league.”

Mahomes has long understood his status and stature in the league as a Black quarterback, so it’s not surprising to see him navigate through that kind of question. And Jackson has certainly been subjected to his share of criticism throughout his career, including those who suggested as he was coming into the league that he should switch positions.

Mahomes and Jackson have both won MVPs. Mahomes and Murry have both earned second contracts, and Jackson may not be far behind as he and the Ravens are currently working on an extension. Murray may not have accomplished as much from an on-field accolade standpoint in the NFL, but there should be no doubt that he can play quarterback at a high level.

152 responses to “Patrick Mahomes: It’s weird when Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and I get criticism others don’t

  1. Am I missing something? When has Mahomes been criticized? I’m a die-hard Raider fan who hates everything about the Chiefs, but the guy ihas been among the top 3 quarterbacks since he’s entered the league. The worst the guy has done is lead his team to nothing less than an AFC championship game each year as a starter. I have nothing but the upmost respect for that guy, but I hate that he plays for KC.

  2. So what criticism has Russell Wilson faced then??? I can’t recall much unless it was to call him a game manager early in his career.

  3. Don’t even HINT at the race card, Pat. Cousins, Baker, Roders all get tons of criticism heaped on the daily.

  4. Kinda seems like he’s off base on this one. Tua is constantly getting criticized. Baker is constantly criticized. Kyler is the one who’s brought the criticism to himself. Lamar is criticized for failing in the big moments. I’m sorry Patrick but the color of the skin isn’t the reason for criticism. Heck the only criticism I’ve seen levied against Mahomes is because of his family, which again is within his control. Not everything has to be racist.

  5. Sounds like he’s trying to stand up for Jackson and Murray. Murray was way overpaid and Jackson should get as much as Murray based in performance. Making them both overrated. No QB should be making more than Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady or Allen. Yet here’s these middle tier guys killing it. It only will only push the cap higher, making everyone more money. Meanwhile we pay their salaries…

  6. Every QB gets criticized, many non-black QB’s get criticized much more than privileged Pat does. Maybe Pat’s mad that somebody called him out on an aspect of his game that he knows is true. He’s a great QB, yes. Does he usually bail after his first read and go “street-ball”? Also yes.

    It’s your brand, dude. Just go with it.

  7. Uh, Derek Carr gets ripped on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

  8. Difference is Mahomes has won a championship and can pass the ball.
    The other 2 cant and wont.

  9. The skin color of a QB has never been an issue for me. I am not a hero. I am just someone who identifies as a man…

  10. Nonsense. Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Trubisky, Carr, Rodgers, Tua…on and on. If you make the most money on the team and you handle the ball every single offensive play, you should be ready for criticism.

  11. Yeah…

    He isn’t wrong, as much as this post will get down voted.

    Sure QBs get constant scrutiny… but Jackson, Murray, Hurts etc just seem to get more.

    What exactly has Murray done to cause such scorn ???

    Lose a playoff game to the eventual Super Bowl Champions in their building ??

    Did anybody watch Mac Jones playoff game?? Nobody talks about how bad it was..(and it was awful)

  12. It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

  13. Put that card back in the deck and leave it there. That’s the hand that never wins.

  14. the position comes with scrutiny. more black qbs = more black qbs being scrutinzed. quit looking for things that arent there

  15. Patrick Mahomes is one of the most highly-respected players in the entire NFL.

  16. Yeah … like Baker Mayfield, and Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold, and Mitch Trubisky never get and negative criticisms.

  17. Oh please. Always the victim. Two guys making a quarter billion and another that’s about to. Meanwhile Baker has got roasted all year and makes peanuts by comparison.

  18. Murray may not have accomplished as much from an on-field accolade standpoint in the NFL, but there should be no doubt that he can play quarterback at a high level.
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    Outside of the Cardinals I think there’s plenty of doubt if Murray can play at a high level. Sure, he’s shown flashes but has lacked consistency along with injuries and fading as the year goes on. Until he delivers a full, consistent season along with playoff success he’s still deserving of doubt. To be clear just because the Cardinals gave him a large second contract doesn’t change the fact there’s more questions then answers about what type of NFL career Murray is going to have.

  19. This is a really poor look for Mahomes. An infinitesimally small % of the public cares about the color of a QB’s (or anyone else’s) skin. It’s an especially poor look for a QB who has received exceptionally little criticism over the course of his career.

    Very disappointed to see Mahomes saying this and I say this as a person of color.

  20. He’s right in that the criticism is usually different for black QB’s than it is for white ones. They all get tons of it, but there is a clear difference in how it’s delivered as well as the type of criticism.

  21. Criticism towards a QB is usually specific, what you have and haven’t done at this level.

    Don’t pretend like you don’t know that, Patrick.

  22. Rodgers/Mayfield/Carr gets crushed and Russell Wilson always gets a pass. Next.

    Even Brady was “a system qb” for 10 years. Super weak argument. Lost respect for Mahomes. Everyone loves him and only recently has had a couple bad games to appear mortal.

  23. I see stats, no skin colour when I look at Lamar’s embarrassingly bad throwing statistics.

  24. A recent unamed NFC D-coordinatorsaid of Mahomes,when the first read breaks down, he plays streetball. That’s just one guy, however. Lamar gets overly criticized, but mainly on this board. You would think the guy never completed a pass in his life. And then there is the playoff criticism. Well, its the playoffs, it’s supposed to hard. Did you really expect him to go to SB in his first year? The second playoff when he won MVP, the Ravens had players resting for 3 weeks, never a good recipe, but he still amassed 500 yards in that game. The next year, he defeated Tennessee on the road coming from behind, both of which you said he couldn’t do. Criticize Lamar, if you want, but if you criticize him, where is the criticism for QBs who have achieved far less? Thank god for coaches and players who see the real value in Jackson.

  25. So much BS. Pat, even Tom Brady has been criticized for some on field performance. IN NEW ENGLAND of all places.

  26. gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

    Right, they can’t have an opinion. Makes sense. Just like it makes sense that The Cardinals are just being blatantly racist. It’s not possible he wasn’t studying film and therefore they felt it necessary to include this clause while giving him generational wealth.

  27. Dak is, hands down, the most criticized player in the NFL, but you don’t hear him whining. It’s not a race thing, it’s a positional/ridiculous salary thing.

  28. Wow, laughable. Kyler and Lamar get criticized for being mediocre QB’s who are overpaid.

    Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen (before last year), Stafford, Herbert, Rothlesberger, Garrapolo, Manning, on and on – all have had their criticism

    Mahomes is trying to provide cover to these other 2 clowns – dissapointing everything has to be seen thru a lens of racism – total joke in this case

  29. It’s sad Mahomes has to answer such a question by a journalist who picked an idiotic remark from a nobody. After all what he’s accomplished. I really think the mediatic space is becoming more and more toxic.

  30. gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

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    plenty of demographics have dealt with being slaves in human history

  31. Generally speaking I understand where he’s coming from but not on this. He’s never ever criticized, and he’s great. Jackson’s regular season great and Murray’s regular season pretty good. If Murray needed a clause to study film four hours a week that speaks for itself. That’s a disgrace.

  32. Having an open dialog about something doesn’t automatically mean he is playing the race card. The quickness of the majority of people on here saying .. no he is wrong is part of the problem. It’s not about being right or wrong, and there’s nothing wrong about him discussing it as a possible problem. If you are so quick to judge him as a person because of this, then yes that’s the problem.

  33. I don’t recall Mahomes getting criticized too often. I’d say just about everyone has him as a top 3 QB in the league or at least top 5. Even his biggest detractors would put him as a top QB. Sure Lamar and Kyler get it, but even Brady gets it a lot and he’s been to more Super Bowls than anyone.

  34. I’m curious as to why he didn’t throw Watson’s name in there as well. I mean he’s criticized everyday and they share skin color. Huh.. why is that? Why didn’t he add Trey Lance, Justin Fields, or Russell Wilson’s name in there? Seems like the only ones he’s speaking for are the ones that are the highest paid or will be the highest paid. People hate the rich man. Imagine how dragged Tua would be if he said something as ridiculous as this?

  35. Same tired, old, worn out race card again. This is exactly why nobody is afraid of the word “racist” anymore.

  36. The only criticism I can remember Patrick Mahommes receiving was from the actions of his wife and brother at games.

  37. Wanna hear something weird? I had no idea he is black, till now. I mean, who cares? Is it me not following him or his team? Is it his light skin color? I don’t look at people that way. I guess some of us folks have moved on from this bs. Others haven’t or can’t.

  38. gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

    In your post you didn’t capitalize white, but you capitalized black, white guys, Black people. Slavery is as old as prostitution, every race has been enslaved. Slavery is alive and well today, just not in the USA, so I suppose it doesn’t exist.

    Tell us more about your world views, professor.

  39. Murray takes heat because he is a slightly above-average QB with a chip on his shoulder who thinks he is the second coming of Steve Young and Bo Jackson all rolled into one.

  40. Same people said Favre was just having a ball out there or that Roethlisberger’s ability to extend plays was uncanny. No place in the game for this nonsense in 2022. Just call it how you see it without these stupid biases.

  41. None of the players he names are pocket passers. Rodgers, Brady, Brees….they are/were pocket passers. Need I say more?

  42. So many responses on this thread, so few who understand what it’s actually about. Mahomes was responding to the ridiculous “street ball” allegations being propagated by sports media. He is the primary target of this stupidity but recognizes that Murray and Jackson are also being targeted. No other QBs have been targeted. Not one. Try to keep up, people.

  43. A review of this comment thread illustrates a need to clarify Mahommes point – he not complaining about the criticism, he is complaining about a specific type of criticism leveraged towards a certain type of quarterback.

  44. I think the talk about mahomes is absurd. He’s awesome, and he’ll make everybody on his team better. The talk about Jackson though. He’s been figured out, and he can’t rely on his throwing. Baltimore has to give him his extension but they will regret it. He will not be starting in three years. I’m glad he’s in the afc. Give him a boat load of cash and hamstring the ravens. There’s reason he’s not signed yet, Baltimore is afraid. Murray at least has an arm but his judgement and decisions in games is pretty rough, if he figures it out he could be really good but that’s a lot of cash to give to someone you hope figured it out.

  45. The critical difference is the statements are attributed to NFL assistant coaches who chose to remain anonymous. That separates it from fan or media critiques. These are $million a year professional NFL football coaches making background commentary about ..black QBs.

  46. Really Mahomes?! I can’t turn on ESPN or NFL Network without seeing an announcer slobbering all over you, Murray or Jackson!!

  47. Mahomes wasn’t talking about criticism in general. He was specifically addressing evaluations of black QBs that reduce them to raw athleticism.

  48. Mahomes specifically DECLINES to agree he feels he’s evaluated differently BECAUSE he’s black, but you racist whiny crybabies can’t even be bothered to read or watch what he said

  49. Waiting for CMC or Kupp to come out and say the following…

    “It’s weird when we’re called high IQ, scrappy, gym rats that are great route runners with good fundamentals, and not just good football players?”

  50. Who has been criticized more over the pst 3 seasons than red-headed and white Carson Went? Who?! He’s STILL destroyed in a daily basis by every media outlet! I’m an African American and I’m disgusted by the attacks on him. Mahommes is wrong on this.

  51. lol what? What a strange thing to say based on nothing. Liberalism is really messing up the younger generations.

  52. Patrick Mahomes should worry more about his little brother and his antics at the local level.

    This race card stuff has to stop being played to make victims where none exist. It’s sad. These are multi millionaires who live a far more privileged life than the average American will ever know. Ever.

    Warren Moon seemed to be far more professional then some of today’s kids.

  53. Jackson Mahomes also gets unfairly criticized. Let’s all take a knee during the anthem this season,

  54. He is right and it’s a shame. Not just as NFL QBs but even in coorpate America, some people have to work twice as hard, be twice as good to be considered equal to everyone else. It’s a sad reality.

  55. Not so long ago black men weren’t considered smart enough to play qb. To say that there can’t possibly any residual version of that today is ignorant.

  56. Can’t help but to lose respect for a guy that has achieved a level of success and then associates himself with being stifled like 2 QBS that are greatly limited by their own limitations but hates when anyone points them out…

  57. burlingtonbills says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:57 pm
    gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

    In your post you didn’t capitalize white, but you capitalized black, white guys, Black people. Slavery is as old as prostitution, every race has been enslaved. Slavery is alive and well today, just not in the USA, so I suppose it doesn’t exist.

    Tell us more about your world views, professor.
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    We’re talking about United States, not the world and not ancient history. It seems that you are trying to justify Black folks being held in slavery here because it has happened elsewhere.

  58. Kyler Murray has a passer rating of 40.9 with 137 yards and 2 interceptions in 1 game in the playoffs in his career.

    Lamar Jackson has a passer rating of 68.3 with 900 yards, 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in 4 games in the playoffs in his career.

    how dare anyone criticize!!!

  59. Hrm. Where else have I constantly read that black QBs are “one read” or just running backs?

  60. bengalbowl says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:15 pm
    I liked Mahomes a lot until just now.
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    Awwww! Did Patrick make you sad? Angry? Do you feel like stomping your feet because you’re so mad? Time for cookies and milk?

  61. All starting quarterbacks get criticized on a regular basis. The height of racism would be to expect less criticism because of your race.

  62. It’s not a race thing, it’s that black players scientifically tend to be more athletic than white ones, thus the mostly black NFL and NBA, and like Vick’s reported lack of studying throughout his career, it’s easy to rely on that natural top tier ability than to work hard on studying, which guys like Brady and Manning had to outwork guys to find success. Which the athleticism makes for an exciting player like Vick or Jackson, and the mobility helps the team greatly, but relying on it leaves plays on the field that your team need. The same could also be said as a potential risk for Josh Allen, since he and Rodgers are some of the most agile white QBs with 4.70 speed, but it would be easy with Allen’s size and physicality along with it to rely too much on running as a bailout on having quicker reads. And if fans of the team see that (which Bills fans haven’t since they love Allen) and see their QB making bad reads or panic plays like Wentz and Murray throwing panic pick sixes while being sacked last year, they’re going to feel like their team’s leader is unprepared, and even if they do okay statistically, those unnecessary panic throws, or bad reads, are killers to your team, which is probably why the Colts dumped Wentz after one year even with decent looking stats. It’s even more of a risk when there’s a guy like Vick, Jackson, Murray, with sub 4.4 speed. If they miss a read, they can just run away from the pass rushers, have more time to make reads since the DL has to rush cautiously with edge contain, and can run more simple plays like RPOs and read options since they have that option. It’s not racism, it’s just that fans want their QB, the leader of the team, to be all in regardless of their skin colour. With Murray making the comments that he’s so gifted that he doesn’t need to kill himself studying, yeah, that’s going to make some fans unhappy and receive some deserved criticism. Not because of racism, but because of the fact that he showed that he’s not a Brady or Manning, and even if that’s a tough expectation for someone to fulfill at their job, fans will be able to accept if the QB isn’t super agile. But if they don’t seem like they’re hard workers, or if they start struggling, that’s what people hate.

  63. Have you seen Kylers contract? Mahomes contract? Deshaun Watson settled 20 sexual assault cases and gets 230m guaranteed. How about Baker Mayfield? Yes, sounds like oppression to me. Good god is this where we are now?

  64. prophessor4 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:32 pm
    gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

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    plenty of demographics have dealt with being slaves in human history
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    In recent human history (last few hundreds years), only 1 case: black americans. In number of people: no equivalent in all human history.

  65. So Wentz, Mayfield, Daniel Jones to name just a few are all white. They get critized more than those Mahomes named.
    Get out of here with the race card, way off base on this one.
    Thise saying they agree and it’s racism obviously don’t watch football and are jumping on the bandwagon. Mahomes is seeing what he want to see on this one and not the truth.

  66. I can’t help but recognize that Pat only listed him and two other black quarterback’s that get criticism. Am I missing something, does it seem like he just played the race card?

  67. 1 in 9.5 Americans are black. In 2020, 1 in 3.2 NFL qb’s were black. What’s the problem?

  68. Patrick – you DEFINITELY deserve criticism for the way you played vs Bengals in playoffs last year. You really did not play well at all.

  69. Reno Hightower says:
    July 29, 2022 at 6:52 pm
    Have you seen Kylers contract? Mahomes contract? Deshaun Watson settled 20 sexual assault cases and gets 230m guaranteed. How about Baker Mayfield? Yes, sounds like oppression to me. Good god is this where we are now?
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    If they were sexual assault cases, he could not have settled.

  70. You’re not criticized Mahomes, you’re one of the best qb’s in the NFL. However, Lamar and Kyler are criticized because they are NOT elite and are deservive criticism. Please, stop the whining, you’re better than that.

  71. Look at this outrage. You love him when he says what you want to hear. When he gives an OPINION that you don’t like now you jump all over him. Thus proving the point. Sure all quarterbacks take criticism, but Lamar Jackson particularly takes extreme vitriol which seems so base and personal.

  72. Josh Allen rushed for 763 yards last year. But no one accused him of playing streetball or not going through progressions. And you wonder why people play certain cards?

  73. Who criticizes mahomes? Definitely not race thing, but there are still people who hate athletic QBs and think they should be statues. I still hear people call Allen a “running QB”.

  74. Young Blacks have been told all their lives by politicians, clergy and the media that they face institutional racism that is systemic so it should be no surprise that these athletes feel this way even though it is completely untrue. Well, at least they have their hundreds of millions of dollars to console them.

  75. Let me get this straight. So, Mahomes is a SB winner, MVP, regarded as the best QB in the game by many, and an anonymous DC says he plays streetball, doesn’t go through progressions and is a tier-2 QB, and you expect Mahomes not to be upset about it?

  76. gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.——
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    Hate to ruin your victimhood but every race, every single one, has been enslaved at some point in time. You don’t own it. Read a history book.

  77. realfootballfan says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:59 pm
    Same people said Favre was just having a ball out there or that Roethlisberger’s ability to extend plays was uncanny. No place in the game for this nonsense in 2022. Just call it how you see it without these stupid biases.
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    Funny thing, for years, i have called Mahomes Favre 2.0, no it is not a compliment! Their luck runs out just when their team needs them the most!

  78. These are multimillionaires crying about accountability. Racism is about harming people and actually diminishing the lives of people based on skin color. What Lamar, Kyler, and Pat have to deal with is not really racism or its weak sauce meaningless racism… Now lets talk about the lack of adequate polling places in black communities or prison statistics or access to proper schools and so on.

  79. Mahomes is elite. His record bares it out. He’s paid as an elite qb. He receives little criticism.
    Murray is paid like he’s is elite. His record indicates otherwise. He receives criticism.
    I actually don’t get the Jackson criticism. I think he’s a really great qb. He does need a few signature wins in the playoffs tho.

  80. Yeah they are the ONLY 3 QB in the NFL to EVER get criticized. I swear this race card BS HAS to stop. Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr are very good QB who get criticized constantly. You can’t say anything anymore without something like this coming up. . And you don’t dare criticize certain people.

  81. Come on now, it’s very very rare to hear anything but praise of Patrick in the media.

  82. Patrick Mahomes may be the least criticized QB in the NFL. Imagine what people would say if Kirk Cousins happened to be black.

  83. When I was in college (12y ago) I worked with an older man (40s) that always said a black hc and black qb can’t win a sb. Then his team hired a black hc and proceeded to win the sb lol. These thoughts and ideas exist in America let’s not act like they don’t.

  84. cam180 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 6:58 pm
    prophessor4 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:32 pm
    gibson45 says:
    July 29, 2022 at 5:09 pm
    It is always interesting when white guys want to tell Black people how to feel about racism. Guess what guys, your ancestors weren’t slaves and your race has not been subjected to over 200 years of discrimination.

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    plenty of demographics have dealt with being slaves in human history
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    In recent human history (last few hundreds years), only 1 case: black americans. In number of people: no equivalent in all human history.———-
    Wow, look up Middle East and the African continent. It’s going on today. Ask a Yazidi how they feel. Read something.

  85. Kind of funny when black qbs get criticism they immediately pivot to racism in order to hide. Brady, Rodgers, and even Josh Allen have been torn new ones for failing last year yet no criticism for Pat Mahomes choking in the AFC Title game last year almost as bad as Matt Ryan did in Super Bowl 51.

  86. Mahommes ran 500 yards behind the line of scrimmage in the Superbowl…. and its “WEIRD” that someone called his playstyle streetball.

  87. In years past you had to run a pro offense today they let the quarterbacks run their college offense. So you can’t even compare the past with the present.

  88. Baker, Wentz, Rogers, Tua, Goff, Carr…. I can’t keep going if that helps….

  89. Brett Favre played street ball too and it’s what made Packer fan and America love him.

  90. It’s disappointing to see Mahomes do this. Every pro athlete gets criticism, and he is one of the least-criticized of any of them.

    The more you are in the spotlight, the more scrutiny you get. QBs like Cousins, Carr, Trubisky, Garoppolo, Mayfield, and Prescott are all in the same boat as Murray and Jackson for how much they get criticized and the type of criticism. A lot of lesser QBs barely get any attention, and when they do it’s often critical. Heck, even certified HOF greats like Brady and Rodgers get viciously attacked in every comment board related to them.

    Allen also got the same kind of criticism – he was dismissed in much the same way as Jackson, until he started winning playoff games.

    And that’s what this comes down to. If you have the spotlight and you don’t win, and *especially* if you don’t win when it really counts, you get dragged over the coals.

    If Jackson and Murray win playoff games, they will get less scrutiny.

  91. Absolutely crap. Mahomes was put in the Hall of Fame after his first year starting. Lamar Jackson won the MVP. Stop trying to make us all out to be racists.

  92. justsaying says:
    July 29, 2022 at 8:25 pm
    Brett Favre: gun slinger

    Black QB: Streetball

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    Favre won a Super Bowl and set a bunch of records that lasted at least through the end of Peyton Manning’s career. And he was still criticized by many along the way.

    If you’re looking for apples to apples, Baker Mayfield is a closer comparison. He’s won the same number of playoff games as Jackson and one more than Murray. All three get roundly criticized. It’s regularly winning in the playoffs that changes the narrative.

  93. My quarterback gets crucified more than anyone. I’ve never heard him say a peep about it being weird. Just heard him say all of the right things it takes to succeed in the league. #Real.🤔🐬

  94. The criticism on Kyler and Lamar is warranted. Neither have shown the ability to play in the playoffs so far and have been inconsistent while showing insane talent as well. Mahomes getting lumped in here makes no sense. He just had one random dude say something about him playing streetball, he’s pretty much recognized as the best QB or top 3 by everyone.

  95. Not sure where he’s getting his content, but I see the likes of Cousins, Stafford, and a few others get way more hate.

  96. I think the issue here is that most black QBs seem to be lumped into the “run first”, one read QB.

    I’ve seen more posts on here than I care to mention claiming that’s what Kyler Murray is…

    He is not… not even close…

    Can he run ? Yes… and the Cardinals do have designed runs for him (Far, Far less than Lamar Jackson)

    But Murray does fine from the pocket, consistently extends plays and makes throws downfield on 2nd,3rd and 4th reads…

    But Commenters who maybe see 10 of his plays on the Red Zone Channel seem to think they know what they see.

  97. This coming from the guy who hardly ever gets negative press. I’m a Chiefs fan and the only negativity that comes his way is when his goofball family member acts the fool or when his improvisation on the field doesn’t go as intended.

    Lamar gets flack because he likes to run and put himself in harms way way too often. He needs to do more work from the pocket and seriously needs to work on his passing skills to help himself upright and have a longer successful career.

    Kyler, well, he’s a very talented man child is all I can give him. This isn’t solely my opinion, that is the opinion of how the team he leads, the Cardinals, feel about him. There is a very good reason why he had that oddball clause in his contract. Also, he has that “Cam Newton” body language issue in public on the field when things are not going right. You are making millions playing a children’s game Kyler, quit putting your head down, pouting, and being a mopey little kid when you don’t get your way.

  98. Please tell me where the criticism for Kirk Cousins is? Because he will get 55 million this year and not one person on this board complained about it! But Prescott, Watson, Lamar and Kyler get nothing but vitriol for their dollars. Nobody complained about Goff, Stafford (before the Rams) or Wentz when they got their mega deals. And these are lesser skilled players. Yeah, I’m playing that card every time this comes up!

  99. Mahomes put himself in a tough spot. Mahomes is regarded by many as the potential goat, if he can maintain trajectory. Maybe he takes some issue with the term streetball vs. playground ball. They are the same thing and many qbs get the criticism regardless of skin color.

    Historically, black QBs faced all kinds of racism and were excluded. Those days have passed and I would argue coaches and scouts might have swung in the other direction. If Kyler isn’t studying… that’s a problem—that’s his job. I didn’t hear anybody say Kyler is too stupid to study. Criticisms of Kyler are about his maturity and leadership. All QBs get immense criticism, welcome to the club. Brady salivates at this, knowing how soft his competition is.

    In my opinion, Lamar is the only one facing actual racist comments. Lamar may or may not be smart enough to run an NFL offense. Plenty of white QBs weren’t smart enough for it—it’s not easy. People assume about Lamar. But it’s hard to judge processing watching on tv. Lamar is running an offense that is somewhere between high school and college level, they aren’t even attempting anything complex. So we don’t actually know what Lamar’s true potential is. But we can say he is not running an NFL offense, that’s obvious and the reason Hollywood bolted.

    Nobody mentioned Goff, he gets plenty of hate despite good stats. Remember Smoking Jay Cutler… the guy who doesn’t care about winning; South Park torched him. And leave Rex Grossman alone.

  100. Patrick Mahomes is a SB winner, MVP and widely regarded as the best QB in the game. And an anonymous DC says a streetballer, doesn’t go through progressions and he is a tier-2 QB and Mahomes is not supposed to be upset about it? Obviously, none of you have put in the hard work and achieved the requisite results to be respected for anything.

  101. If someone has criticized Mahomes I’d sure like to see it. His brother, yeah, but not him. And Mayfield, Darnold, Lock, Cousins, Wentz, Jones, Ryan, Goff, amongst others, would like a word.

  102. Been following the NFL a long time, the quarterback always gets the most criticism, doesn’t matter what color his skin is,

  103. nite2al says:
    July 29, 2022 at 7:24 pm
    Josh Allen rushed for 763 yards last year. But no one accused him of playing streetball or not going through progressions. And you wonder why people play certain cards?

    Furthermore.. nobody said Josh Allen should come into the NFL as a wide receiver. Nobody bleats the sheep’s call of “hE’s A rUnnInG bAcK” about Josh Allen. But yeah, let’s just keep pretending it’s not an issue, because not ALL black QB’s are getting the same.

  104. Have to worry who is in Mahomes ear if hest beginning to think things like this. Widely regarded as among the most talented QBs to ever live almost as soon as his NFL career started. Hardly ever criticized. Got the Patrick Price thing going on. Yet someone is in his ear and whoever that is they almost certainly do not have Mahomes best intentions at heart.

  105. Right….like Jalen Hurts isn’t skewered on a daily basis. As if Kirk Cousins has never had his doubters. Even Aaron Rodgers has his critics.

    What’s really weird, Pat, is that you care.

  106. Brett Favre was also referred to as a Playground Quarterback. There were questions early on on whether or not Lamar could be an accurate passer in the pocket, and if he could stay healthy running. It seems that has been answered, but those were fair concerns, not criticisms. Kyler Murray has not been questioned talentwise, he has been questioned on intangibles such as maturity, leadership, commitment, desire, and accountability, and coachability..all very much in question. His latest whinefest displays the questions are warranted..he knew that clause was in the contract, he signed it. It became public, run to owner have it taken out. He could have been mature and said publicly, ” Hey..it’s a huge investment for the organization..We as a team and myself personally have fallen short..it’s on me as the leader to set the standard..” etc. That’s what Mahommes would do, and Lamar also.

    Baker Mayfield has been piled on far more than Murray, so let’s not automatically default to race as a deflection. Sometimes areas of concern are just that..and in the case of Baker and Kyler well deserved and self inflicted.

  107. Member how we ran Carson Wentz out of town a couple years ago? Remember how we were calling for Jalen Hurts all year? Member how the Eagles were trying to acquire Russell Wilson and Desean Watson all off-season? Really racist of us. This post checks out.

  108. To quickly dismiss Mahomes entire argument (which has been done multiple times already), I present these words:

    Tebow, Taysum, and Eric Crouch. I’m sure there were others, just a few off the top of my head.

    Tebow is not a QB. He was chased with pitchforks by fans and coaches; he did have his fanboys, too. But he got chased out, despite winning a playoff game.

    Taysum isn’t a QB.

    Tim Crouch is an older example. That was a white running QB whom the NFL wouldn’t let play the position, while Vick was doing his thing (at a much higher level).

    Again, there’s actual racism against Lamar. But that doesn’t change the fact he isn’t a QB and it is extremely rare to see a team that kin of offense, arguably, to suit him.

    While it’s impossible to predict, my Spidey senses think Mahomes might be on the cusp of an actual bad season and he’s already getting defensive and attempting to shield himself.

  109. It sounds like Pats wife said it and hes repeating it…tell me Roethlisberger,Trubisky,Trevor Lawrence,Kirk Cousins even Rogers get ripped…sorry Pat does not make sense.

  110. When was Mahomes criticized? While hes earned it, hes actually given the benefit of the doubt more than most QBs even when his play is bad.

  111. Furthermore.. nobody said Josh Allen should come into the NFL as a wide receiver. Nobody bleats the sheep’s call of “hE’s A rUnnInG bAcK” about Josh Allen. But yeah, let’s just keep pretending it’s not an issue, because not ALL black QB’s are getting the same.

    *********

    It’s probably because Allen can throw the ball. Though, he faced plenty of criticism early on about his accuracy. Ramsey even called him trash and a stupid draft pick… then complained about Lamar being taken late in the first round (after Allen).

    There have been many a Tim Crouch. A white running QB who is either forced to change position or not given a chance at the NFL level. Tim Tebow is another story, though he got a chance to play QB—even won a playoff game— but the NFL and fans kept telling him to change position, not in a polite way. The undrafted Taysum?

  112. There’s also a simple matter of both Murray and Jackson never achieving anything of note yet as well.

  113. Not really racism at all. Its based on performance and winning games. These guys are high profile qbs. Their teams are contenders for the playoffs every year so they will be criticized more often then qbs on losing teams.

  114. In my opinion, Lamar is the only one facing actual racist comments. Lamar may or may not be smart enough to run an NFL offense. Plenty of white QBs weren’t smart enough for it—it’s not easy. People assume about Lamar. But it’s hard to judge processing watching on tv. Lamar is running an offense that is somewhere between high school and college level, they aren’t even attempting anything complex. So we don’t actually know what Lamar’s true potential is. But we can say he is not running an NFL offense, that’s obvious and the reason Hollywood bolted.
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    You mean sort of like Arian’s advanced NFL offense that had Brady throwing all those picks, so he had to revert back to NE’s 5-yard YAC routes and checkdowns?

  115. It’s sad Mahomes has to even address this BS. There’s lots of unfair hate and criticism sent Lamar Jackson’s way too because he plays the position “different” than others before him. But aside from being the best athlete on the field in almost every game he plays, Lamar seems like an incredibly humble and good kid. THese youn men are changing the game an a ton of great ways. Best wishes to them.

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