Patriots’ offense struggling in training camp

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The departure of longtime Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels this offseason led head coach Bill Belichick to change up the team’s offensive system, with Matt Patricia — formerly a defensive coach — now calling the offensive plays. So far in training camp, it does not appear to be working.

Reporters on the scene at Patriots camp have described an ugly collection of mistakes and miscommunications, and Monday’s practice appeared to be the worst yet.

As Mark Daniels of the Providence Journal described it, “We’ve seen the offense look routinely disjointed as a new offensive coaching staff tries to install a new offense.”

Words like “disorganization” and “confusion” have been used by reporters at Patriots camp to describe how the Patriots’ offensive players appear to be picking up the new offense.

In Monday’s practice, the Patriots’ first four offensive snaps consisted of a false start by offensive tackle Trent Brown, followed by running back Damien Harris getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage, followed by an incompletion on a miscommunication between Mac Jones and Nelson Agholor, followed by a sack.

Sacks, of course, don’t truly happen in training camp because quarterbacks are off limits, but coaches blow the play dead when a defensive player would have sacked the quarterback, and those plays have been commonplace in Patriots camp. Jones is rarely having much time to throw as the Patriots’ defensive line dominates the offensive line.

There’s still more than a month before the start of the season, and perhaps all the kinks will get worked out by then. But the early reports are that the Patriots’ revamped offense is in rough shape.

112 responses to “Patriots’ offense struggling in training camp

  1. What makes this more interesting is the Patriots are weak at linebacker and cornerback. The offense should be passing and running all over the defense.

  2. But wait – I thought “a top 5 offense” would occur this year? Maybe expectations should be tempered a little, when you have the 10th best QB in the AFC.

  3. BB does it again! He’s playing chess, while everyone else is playing football. I went to Pats Pulpit and read up on this, including fan commentary. The word, I think, is cluster something. Fans are dying time to panic. Still, that one Pats “fan” still trolls other teams especially the Dolfins and Bills. The Pats are done, and BB the genius might be kicked upstairs to the FO.I read Kraft told a reporter, “We haven’t won a playoff game in 3 years!”. He was not happy about it. Sans massive injuries, they aren’t going anywhere this year. 500. At best. At best. 😆 LOL. I love it.

  4. Are you really surprised? It is new everything on that side of the ball with basically a first time play caller in that position. It will take time. They will start slow

  5. Is anyone surprised? No receivers, noodle arm QB, no running backs. They’ll be lucky to beat the Jets this year, let alone Miami. Buffalo will have them beat by the end of the first quarter.

  6. So, if you say this means something then in turn any preseason wins would mean they are going all the way, right?

  7. I’m sure Lions fans can tell you first hand how much of a mastermind Matt Patricia is.

  8. Maybe it was Brady and a little luck(cheating)all along that gave them winning seasons.

  9. As Belichick believers insist that Belichick invented the system, and developed Brady and players for the system, then Belichick should have no problem stepping up and calling the plays.

    So, let us wait and see how it will go.

  10. They are trying to simplify the offense, yet they have a rocket scientist calling the plays. Something doesn’t seem quite right about that….

  11. New staff with new players +100 degree weather…. mistakes are going to happen. Just so long as they are improving all will be ok by week 1

  12. It sounds, from what I’ve been hearing locally in Boston, a total sh*t show. Not only has the offense been totally remade but the o-line, their blocking schematics have changed too. Again, according to what I’ve read/heard, the blocking has been awful because they’re not catering to the strengths of the blockers. Unless something radically shifts this is an under .500 team right now.

  13. eddiea25 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 8:23 am
    The coaching staff is terrible, that’s the whole story.

    ———-

    So guys that win Super Bowls with BB go and try to become HCs and fail and now they can’t be assistants any more? No. They are great coaches as assistants. They will figure it out.

  14. brwmstr says:
    August 9, 2022 at 8:43 am
    New staff with new players +100 degree weather…. mistakes are going to happen. Just so long as they are improving all will be ok by week 1
    —-
    Preseason games will tell us a lot more about where they at. Starting this week.

  15. Bad signs, but I will reserve judgment until I see what they do when the season starts. The offense is supposed to be the good part of the team, so lets hope they do ok. The first 4 games are really tough. They kind of need to go 2-2 at worst which means probably beating the Fins and the Steelers. If they come out with a terrible offense and lose to Miami and Pitt then the season might be over before it starts because 1-3 or 0-4 would be highly likely.

  16. an ugly collection of mistakes and miscommunications describes Patricia’s entire career at Detroit. He’s not a player’s coach.

  17. On the flip side the personnel changes on defense appear to make them faster and better than they were last year so far.

    As with the offense, I’ll put more stock in preseason games than team practices. Looking forward to seeing them too.

  18. Boston media trolls in fulll force. They just keep moving the goalposts. If the situation was reversed, they’d be claiming the opposite.

  19. The issue is almost all offensive line related. They are trying to move to a zone blocking scheme and it’s just not clicking with the OL. Runs are getting stuffed and the QB’s are getting no time to throw. My guess is they’ll focus less on the zone blocking soon and treat it like a work in progress. Right now it’s ugly, no doubt about it.

  20. supercharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 6:33 am
    BB tarnishing his legacy more everyday proving it was all Brady.


    Bill does have a lot to prove. Now that he doesn’t have a cheating QB who also benefited from playing in the worst division in pro football and maybe all of pro sports for almost 2 decades, he needs to show he can win with Mac Jones in a tougher AFC East. Looking forward to seeing it.

  21. When Patricia was asked about it, he proceeded to remind everyone about how he had one of the greatest defensive plays calls in Super Bowl history.

  22. Can’t believe I actually believe more in Mac Jones then I do the Patriots organization around him. Imagine saying that a year ago.

    Patriots finish as a bottom 10 team this year. Take the under.

  23. It is new everything on that side of the ball

    +++++++++++++

    Why does it have to be new? Didn’t Belichick invented the system, and developed Brady and players for the system, according to his believers?

  24. bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:20 am
    Bad signs, but I will reserve judgment until I see what they do when the season starts. The offense is supposed to be the good part of the team, so lets hope they do ok. The first 4 games are really tough. They kind of need to go 2-2 at worst which means probably beating the Fins and the Steelers. If they come out with a terrible offense and lose to Miami and Pitt then the season might be over before it starts because 1-3 or 0-4 would be highly likely.

    —-
    It’s all all related to the new zone blocking scheme being introduced to the offense.

    If it works then it should be fun to watch kind of like the Shanahan Broncos were who had the same scheme and coincidentally almost always had their way with some really good Patriots defenses over the years.

    But I expect them to go back to the old way if it doesn’t work. I think we’ll know with a couple of preseason games under their belt whether it sticks or not.

  25. Gee! NE sports media football experts have never been quick to pronounce doom and gloom before. They have always been so supportive of belichick and reluctant to criticize.

  26. Honestly seems like Belichicks ego is getting the better of him. To think he can just replace one of the better offensive minds with a DC rather than going out and picking up a new up and coming offensive minds is just complete ego on his part. Patricia maybe a genius but that doesn’t all of a sudden make him a good offensive coach.

  27. First week of training camp and every armchair QB with an axe to grind is writing off the Pats. As usual, all is going according to Belichick’s plan.

  28. Doesn’t really matter about execution in practice. Or scrimmages (they’re for evaluation).
    All that matters is Game 1 and beyond; “winning” in the preseason is meaningless.

  29. cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    August 9, 2022 at 6:56 am
    What makes this more interesting is the Patriots are weak at linebacker and cornerback.

    *************************************************************

    Yet the Patriots are not weak at those two positions. Last year, although faltering late & in the playoff game, the defense was #2 in the NFL.

    The DB room lost (FA) JC Jackson but gained back Jon Jones (missed 2021) who, I’d argue (and Tyreek Hill might agree) is the superior player. Plus they add redshirt safety Bledsoe and Jabril Peppers. Not to mention the other Jones Boys. This might be the deepest DB room I’ve seen in Foxborough in 40+ years watching them play (I’d suppose Haynes, Clayborn, Fox et all remain #1, for now).

    As to the LB room, BB has had several younger faster players in house, waiting. Last year he went with the vets: Collins, Hightower, Van Noy. This year he cast those guys off. He didn’t “lose” them; he was done with them. Because he trusts what he has will be better.

    2011 was the last season the Patriots didn’t have a Top 10 defense (#15 that year). Last year was #2. If folks thing NE defense is going to suddenly fall apart in 2022 because Joe Fan doesn’t know the names of some of the players, well, that’s just foolishness.

  30. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:56 am
    bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:20 am
    Bad signs, but I will reserve judgment until I see what they do when the season starts. The offense is supposed to be the good part of the team, so lets hope they do ok. The first 4 games are really tough. They kind of need to go 2-2 at worst which means probably beating the Fins and the Steelers. If they come out with a terrible offense and lose to Miami and Pitt then the season might be over before it starts because 1-3 or 0-4 would be highly likely.

    —-
    It’s all all related to the new zone blocking scheme being introduced to the offense.

    If it works then it should be fun to watch kind of like the Shanahan Broncos were who had the same scheme and coincidentally almost always had their way with some really good Patriots defenses over the years.

    But I expect them to go back to the old way if it doesn’t work. I think we’ll know with a couple of preseason games under their belt whether it sticks or not.

    ————-

    Good point that they do have a few games to test it out.

  31. Belichick: Why pay market value for an offensive coordinator when I can hire defensive and special team “consultants” to install the new offense at 10 cents on the dollar.

  32. Won’t be receiving any sympathy around the league.
    Interesting to see the state of the franchise Post Tom Brady.
    Lack of free agent acquisitions
    Lack of Success
    The answer as to who was responsible for the success is pretty clear.

  33. I’m in a wait and see mode for the this team. New offensive coaching staff along with a new offensive system. I expect it’s going to look ugly for a while. But if the young players how improvent and this offense starts clicking in the second half of the season, then the Patriots future beyond 2022 could look pretty good. If not, then time for Belichik to retire.

  34. supercharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 6:33 am
    BB tarnishing his legacy more everyday proving it was all Brady.

    ———–

    The world isn’t binary. Brady and Belichick were and are on a 20+ year continuum. Belichick wasn’t the coach he was in Cleveland by the time he got to NE because people improve. Brady wasn’t the QB he is now when he started in 2001 either. Both improved together. Brady and BB are both nearing the end and are both still very good. Belichick made the playoffs with a rookie QB his 2nd year without Brady. The vaunted Chargers for example, lost to the Patriots and didn’t make the playoffs. The Patriots did pretty well. Brady is obviously still operating at the highest level, but he does have a good team around him too, which allows him to successful. They are both great and were better together but both won’t be in the NFL much longer.

  35. A DC turned OC calling offensive plays for the first time is having issues?

    Shocking

  36. Won’t be receiving any sympathy around the league.
    Interesting to see the state of the franchise Post Tom Brady.
    Lack of free agent acquisitions
    Lack of Success
    The answer as to who was responsible for the success is pretty clear.

    ———

    So Josh Allen is the sole reason the Bills have had some moderate success then? I mean the team was a wasteland for 20 years, the coach never won anything before Allen, they couldn’t get free agents….seems reasonable that the rest of the team is trash and it’s Allen .

  37. @yeahbut – his is it that the #2 defense in the NFL could not keep a single soon opponent out of the end zone even once in the entire game?

  38. The word in NE is that Belichick is trying to switch to a Shanahan style of offense. It’s tremendously difficult to do that; there’s no way it won’t look like a shambles in camp and maybe a lot longer than that.

    At least half the talking heads on Training Camp Live and Boston Sports Tonight are running around hysterically because of the problems the offense is having. They have zero patience with implementing a new system and just keep crying about why Belichick doesn’t give it up and go back to the old system. Naturally, some fans are losing it too, but it would be idiotic to abandon the new scheme without taking it through the preseason at the very least. I’d say go ahead and commit to it for the whole season. If that means a rough start and even a losing season, so be it, as long as the coaching staff thinks it will mean future success.

  39. Bullcharger,

    Just don’t claim “Mozart was great because of his teacher”.

    BTW, you should see now that Belichick didn’t have magic system like his believers have claimed.

  40. The world isn’t binary.


    Oh no it always is all Brady, didn’t the fan club tell you? Brady carries his team, they’re all along for the ride.

    Except it seems when he loses. Then he never did carry his team, it’s Belichick’s fault, the Patriots defense’s fault, Antonio Brown’s fault, Arians fault, the refs fault, Bowles fault, lol. lololol. Lol.

  41. Remember exactly one year ago, this was the Bengal offense that they commented on like this. What was it? They can’t complete a pass in practice, and Chase is dropping everything in sight?

  42. The word in NE is that Belichick is trying to switch to a Shanahan style of offense. It’s tremendously difficult to do that; there’s no way it won’t look like a shambles in camp and maybe a lot longer than that.
    —-
    I’d like to think this explains the Cole Strange pick, maybe they saw something in him that made them think he’d do well in this scheme. Hopefully it works out or the pick becomes a real meh.

    I do like the idea of what this would mean for the RB’s. Seems the Shanahan Broncos turned out some really good rushing attacks every year using this scheme. Also I like the idea of a mobile Mac Jones. He’ll never be Josh Allen but he’s also not a statue back there.

  43. ghostdog says:
    August 9, 2022 at 10:06 am
    First week of training camp and every armchair QB with an axe to grind is writing off the Pats. As usual, all is going according to Belichick’s plan.

    You homeboys make me laugh. Was it BB’s “plan” to bring in Cam Newton to go 7 – 9 in 2020? Was it BB’s “plan” to get destroyed beyond all recognition against the Bills in the playoffs last year? Yup, BB plans everything, even when things go completely off the tracks. I’m not a BB hater, I actually have a great deal of respect for him as a coach. However, you BB Kool-Aid drinkers jump in too deep at times. Just face it, the glory years are in the rear view mirror.
    Regarding this year, just wait and see. With the amount of transition from year, including coaches, teams are bound to misfire and re-strategize – perhaps several times. The good teams keep making adjustments until they find something that works, then rinse and repeat depending on what happens during the season.
    It will be interesting to see if Patricia retains the offensive coordinator position through the season.

  44. Reasonable the team is trash behind Allen??!!
    Bwahaha you crack me up.
    The Bills have the most well rounded roster in the league, according to even the most skeptical analysts.
    First time head coach, first time GM.
    So your theory about Allen being the sole reason for Bills success is laughable. Don’t get me wrong, Allen is a big reason, but don’t forget, the Bills ended the drought with Tyrod Taylor at QB. McDermotts first year.
    Any other theories???

  45. nhpats2011 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 10:51 am
    @yeahbut – his is it that the #2 defense in the NFL could not keep a single soon opponent out of the end zone even once in the entire game?

    *********************************************************

    Yes, they were very bad against Buffalo. But 1 or 2 games does not invalidate a larger sample of 17 games. And, I’d argue, they’ve improved the personnel.

    Remember when Peyton Manning led a fierce Indy offense that won its 1st 2 playoff games without punting? They were unstoppable. Then they came to Foxborough and scored 3 points, Manning picked 4 times. It was a terrible game for them. Bad game plan, bad matchup, whatever. The point: did they say “We’re no good” in the offseason and blow it all up? No, they did not. They tinkered and learned and sought to be better. And they were.

    The defense was mostly very good in 2021. Let’s not pigeon-hole them because of how the season ended.

  46. Lol!!
    With each passing day it’s becoming clearer that belichick is an average coach and a below average GM.

    There’s another article talking about how Jones is looking more confused this year than last year.

    Pats to finish 3rd or 4th in their division this year.

  47. nhpats2011 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 10:04 am
    It’s going to be a long season for @T6 and GMG

    Nah 🙂 Watching Tommy fall flat on his face with an inferior team on both sides of the ball compared to last season, a downgrade in coach which Tommy completely orchestrated, and facing a tougher schedule – it’s gonna be entertaining all year! As will the fan club excuses. I can’t WAIT!

    As for the Patriots I don’t expect contention yet. Need another good draft to complete this rebuild then the window can start to open. The season is a success if there’s a big improvement from Jones, a noticeably faster defense and if we’re lucky we’ll see the team finally break the drafted WR drought. Like what I’m hearing about Thornton in camp so far.

  48. This is fairly meaningless. A lot of teams look bad preseason and it doesn’t translate to the regular season.

    But, for me as a fan, BB may be hurting his legacy as time goes on here. This reminds me a lot of Shula in the ’90s. Still a decent coach, but the game had passed him by.

  49. What’s all this panic? It’s gonna take Patricia a while to install the Detroit system in NE. Just like in Detroit.

  50. When all is said and done Belichick will end up being a below .500 coach when Tom Brady is not his starting quarterback.

  51. bawlzich says:
    August 9, 2022 at 11:54 am
    Josh Allen is a far better quarterback than Mac Jones.


    Ya think?

  52. This reminds me a lot of Shula in the 90’s

    ++++++++++++

    Are you gonna say that the game has passed 55 year old Jimmy Johnson when he took over Dolphin?

    Belitard believers are really unbelievable.

  53. Bills fans don’t seem to realize that they nearly lost the division to a team that they were better than at almost every position last year. That would trouble me if I was a fan instead of doing that chest poking out that seems to be going on. One thing we’ve seen with Belichick going all the way back to Montana, he’s gotten the best of every great QB over the long run, so why would you think Allen is going to be any different?

  54. donbat67 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 12:21 pm
    Slowly plummeting back to pre Brady irrelevance.

    ———-

    The Patriots won some big games last year and made the playoffs with a rookie QB. While teams like Indy and the Chargers missed out. That’s pretty good. This season hasn’t even started yet. Long way to go.

  55. bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 1:31 pm
    donbat67 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 12:21 pm
    Slowly plummeting back to pre Brady irrelevance.

    ———-

    The Patriots won some big games last year and made the playoffs with a rookie QB. While teams like Indy and the Chargers missed out. That’s pretty good. This season hasn’t even started yet. Long way to go.

    By all reports today the offense had a good day. One step at a time.

  56. He’s gotten the best of every great qbover the long run,…

    ++++++++++++++++

    Do you know why since the half time of 2007 AFCCG, Belichick’s defense couldn’t shut down Peyton anymore? His defense even allowed completely crippled Peyton throwing 2 TD in 2016 AFCCG.

    What happened after the half time of 2007 AFCCG?

  57. bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:16 am
    eddiea25 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 8:23 am
    The coaching staff is terrible, that’s the whole story.

    ———-

    So guys that win Super Bowls with BB go and try to become HCs and fail and now they can’t be assistants any more? No. They are great coaches as assistants. They will figure it out.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    None of Which have ever been an OC or coached the offensive side of the ball. When given the chance to be a head coach both of them had horrible offensive systems as well. Judge has never been an assistant other than special teams. So yes the coaches have no idea what they are doing.

  58. William Lee says:
    August 9, 2022 at 10:58 am
    Bullcharger,

    Just don’t claim “Mozart was great because of his teacher”.

    BTW, you should see now that Belichick didn’t have magic system like his believers have claimed.

    ———–

    I agree… Brady wasn’t great because of BB, but Brady himself would be the first to say that BB helped him to be great.

    I never thought it was a magic system. It always bothered me when people discounted Brady in the equation. He was a huge part of the system and he helped to create the culture. Look how quickly he was able to get players to believe in Tampa. He’s a great leader.

    No great team in history has been great solely because of their coach or GM. It was always because they found elite, all-time great players to drive their success.

  59. William Lee says:
    August 9, 2022 at 3:14 pm
    He’s gotten the best of every great qbover the long run,…

    ++++++++++++++++

    Do you know why since the half time of 2007 AFCCG, Belichick’s defense couldn’t shut down Peyton anymore? His defense even allowed completely crippled Peyton throwing 2 TD in 2016 AFCCG.

    What happened after the half time of 2007 AFCCG?

    ———–

    The Patriots blew that game on both sides of the ball. Offense sputtered in the 4th. The Jeff Saturday fumble recovery was a killer.

  60. lawrence stacy says:
    August 9, 2022 at 3:18 pm
    bullcharger says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:16 am
    eddiea25 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 8:23 am
    The coaching staff is terrible, that’s the whole story.

    ———-

    So guys that win Super Bowls with BB go and try to become HCs and fail and now they can’t be assistants any more? No. They are great coaches as assistants. They will figure it out.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    None of Which have ever been an OC or coached the offensive side of the ball. When given the chance to be a head coach both of them had horrible offensive systems as well. Judge has never been an assistant other than special teams. So yes the coaches have no idea what they are doing.

    ————-

    Basically what you are saying is that long tenured football assistants for BB are being put in a position where they are completely incompetent by Belichick.

    Why would he do that? Do you believe he’s lost his mind or something? Belichick is only going to let someone do a job if he believes they can do it, and that’s good enough for me.

    BB didn’t hire these guys to be a head coach. Someone else did. I trust he knows what they can and can’t do.

  61. Neither Patricia nor Judge wants the position (OC).

    With Josh McDaniels gone, no one in Patriots can handle the complexity of Brady’s system, too many optional routes and too much adjustment needed.

    That is why Belichick has no choice but switching to a new system, because he himself has no clue at all, otherwise he would have taken the duty of play calling, like McCarthy and Bruce Arians.

    Funny that some of his believers still insist that he invented system.

  62. itsizzi says:
    August 9, 2022 at 12:34 pm
    History is clear on this. Nepotism is never a wise decision.

    ———–

    There are thousands of examples where the leadership of a son or daughter has created great success that might not have been achieved without the opportunity. Nobody ever likes nepotism, but it doesn’t mean it’s a guaranteed failure.

  63. bawlzich says:
    August 9, 2022 at 11:54 am
    Josh Allen is a far better quarterback than Mac Jones.

    ————-

    Allen is in discussions about the best quarterback in the league. Mac is looking to improve on a decent rookie season. It’s not even worth a comparison at this point.

    The good news is Mac may still have a bright future. That’s all you can hope for. We really won’t know if he can be a long term NFL starter for another year or so.

  64. I recall these same voices saying preseason doesn’t matter those years when the Pats are running the table on preseason games and looking great. I always thought that was correct too. I still think its correct now today.

  65. So many camp injuries around the league this year seems to be more than usual. Thankfully a healthy roster in NE so far. Knock on wood….

  66. Look how quickly he was able to get players to believe in Tampa. He’s a great leader.
    —-
    Will they listen now that they all know Brady tried to bail on them? I don’t think that’s a great leader. Should be interesting to watch.

  67. Bullcharger,

    After halftime of 2007 AFCCG, Peyton’s primary target was Dallas Clark, the #3 playmaker. Belichick had no answer.

    In 2019 AFCCG, after half time, Mahomes targeted Watkins, his #3 playmaker. Belichick had no answer.

    In 2004 SB, Panthers deviated from what they did in regular season and kept putting the ball in Jake Delhomme hand. Belichick had no answer.

    In 2017 SB, Eagles unexpectedly kept putting the balls in Foles hand, Belichick had no answer.

    In 2001 SB against Rams, Mike Martz kept putting balls in Kurt Warner’s hand, Belichick’s defense looked great.

    See the problem in Belichick’s game plans? Even in 1991 SB against Bills, if Parcel’s offense had played only 30 minutes, his defense would have allowed 27+ points and failed.

  68. Belichick’s defense was always about taking away your best weapons AT ANY COST, not shutting opponent down.

    So his defense looked great against lousy offenses if his offense could score 20-24+, and against one-dimensional offense,

    But he needed so much resources on defense, HE DIDN’T GIVE HIS QB THE REQUIRED TALENTS TO DO WHAT HE NEEDED FROM HIM, that is why he never accomplished without Brady, and will not accomplish anything, and would have won nothing with any other QB, even in 2001 season.

  69. The offense in 2019 and 2021 with different QB put up similar numbers and finished at the exact same place, one and done in the playoffs. It was about and still is about the system not Brady and not Mac Jones.

  70. The offense in 2019 and 2021 with different QB put up similar numbers and finished at the exact same place,
    —-
    Interesting stat…

    Brady weeks 4-17 in 2019: 82 rating
    Cam Newton weeks 4-17 in 2020: 81 rating

    One is vilified by the fan club the other gets lots of excuses made for him.

    🤔🤔🤔🤔

  71. Tom Brady says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:42 am

    ———

    How much of a fanboy do you have to be to actually call yourself Tom Brady?

    You give William Lee a run for his money

  72. William Lee says:
    August 9, 2022 at 11:22 am
    Cancerman2020,

    Was Sean McDermont the reason Josh Allen was great now?

    ——-

    Why don’t you tell me? You seem to think coaches are replaceable and all it takes is just be player for a team to dominate for 20 years.

    What do you think?

  73. You seem to think coaches are replaceable and all it takes is just be player for a team to dominate for 20 years.

    ——————————–

    Don’t tell me you are not smart enough to tell the difference between “Brady did all” and “Brady was the difference”.

  74. cancerman2020 says:
    August 9, 2022 at 7:30 pm
    Tom Brady says:
    August 9, 2022 at 9:42 am

    ———

    How much of a fanboy do you have to be to actually call yourself Tom Brady?

    You give William Lee a run for his money

    Welcome to the mind of the Tommy fan club! 😂

  75. William Lee says:
    August 9, 2022 at 7:45 pm
    You seem to think coaches are replaceable and all it takes is just be player for a team to dominate for 20 years.

    ——————————–

    Don’t tell me you are not smart enough to tell the difference between “Brady did all” and “Brady was the difference”.
    ——
    He certainly was the difference 🙂

    Good QB play in Super Bowl 42 instead of terrible and the Patriots are the only team in NFL history to complete a 19-0 season.

    Good QB play instead of wretched and the Patriots win Super Bowl 46 in a rout over one of the worst Super bowl champions of all time.

  76. HE DIDN’T GIVE HIS QB THE REQUIRED TALENTS TO DO WHAT HE NEEDED FROM HIM
    ===========

    Impossible to hear your shouting over NINE Super Bowls.

  77. Lol, you don’t even know which came first, Brady’s ability of turning cheap receivers into top playmakers vs Belichick being able to build a balanced team.

  78. I guess that in the minds of Belichick believers, Brady struggling in one of 3 playoff games justified the collapse of Belichick’s defense when the team needed his defense to step up.

    It is so pathetic of his believers because his defense had a habit of failing when the game was on the line.

  79. Lol, you don’t even know which came first, Brady’s ability of turning cheap receivers into top playmakers vs Belichick being able to build a balanced team.
    ==========

    Neither do you.

    The Browns have two Playoff wins since 1990. Guess who owns one of them?

    (don’t bother answering, its rhetorical)

  80. It is so pathetic of his believers because his defense had a habit of failing when the game was on the line.
    ==========

    6 Super Bowl wins.

    More than 30 other teams. As many as the Steelers.

  81. I know which came first : it was Brady’s ability of seeing soft spots quickly and in advance that allows him to SCORE ENOUGH BY THROWING TO RECEIVERS IN FRONT OF DEFENDERS.

    You are just one of those fans who know nothing about QBing other than throws in which ONLY WR CAN SEE THE BALLS.

  82. Don’t tell me you are not smart enough to tell the difference between “Brady did all” and “Brady was the difference”.

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    Not once you have given the least bit of credit to anyone on the Patriots for any of their success besides Brady. So how can you state he didn’t “do all”?
    I’d be interested to know who you think deserves some credit since you are saying Brady was the difference…

  83. You couldn’t even name the offensive scheme Brady was running early in his career.

  84. If it were Belichick’s system, why this amazing system never worked without Brady? Not only never worked in New England, but never worked with ant Belichick coaching disciples in Charlie, Romeo, Al Groh, nor it worked with the younger generation of Josh, Billy, and Matt? This is so peculiar of Belichick, unlike any other great HOF coach, Walsh, Parcells, Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Dungy, Billick, Dennis Green, Holmgren, Reid. Even Pete Carroll has Dan Quinn reaching super bowl. All with good to successful to great disciples in their coaching tree. Look at the younger studs like Kyle, Sean have already produced good fruits like Lafleur, Taylor and Stanley. What did Belichick produce? All busts, extremely damaging busts. I use one scripture verse from Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:17-18, “Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannon bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.” T

  85. Dink n dunk.

    Do you know what makes it fundamentally different from any other offense system?

  86. Remember when Brady threw for 505 yards in SB 52 but BB’s defense couldn’t stop back-up QB Nick Foles? The Patriots actually set a SB record for scoring the most points in a loss. Brady’s offense did not punt once. Gronk, Amendola and Hogan each eclipsed 100 yards receiving. Thanks to BB the Pats lost in historical fashion.

  87. Cancerman2020,

    All my posts were about that Belichick took the credits he didn’t deserve.

    And I said BeliCHEAP NEVER give his QB the required talents to do what he needed from his QB, it is not about how much Brady did.

    The biggest challenge for any NFL coach is how to build a balanced offense, due to salary cap. Belichick didn’t have to deal with it because he had Tom Brady, since 2001.

    But Belichick believers insisted that he had a magic system that solved the challenge. Now he is screwed, by himself and by his believers.

  88. A great offensive line can make a QB look very good. That’s what Belichick gave Brady for most of his career. The offensive line more than anything else is what separated Brady from Peyton, Rodgers and others.

  89. Lol, does getting rid of balls make O-Line look better? Does short O-Line O-Linemen have to hold help O-Line?

    Do you know how Brady’s long time left tackle played after going to Giants?

  90. Tbh I feel like I cud be a better offensive coordinator than Patricia especially with Bill telling me how he wudnt want a offense to attack certain defenses. I just feel like Patricia’s thinking style is so rigid it’s hard for him to adjust to people or certain things in football because he only knows who to do things the way he knows how to do it. He is kinda like the Borg in the fact he has to assimilate football knowledge and how to use it instead of innovating on his current knowledge. I dont have anything against him personally, i just dont think he has the creativity and strategic anticipation to coach anything other than defense because defense in the nfl is mostly based on adjustments that are planned before the game ever starts more than they are on offense.

  91. Let’s at least get to almost as meaningless preseason before we call them dead – and that’s only if a person thinks preseason matters. So many teams have terrific training camps (or so they say) and look good in preseason – and their fans have them winning the SB.

    Training camp – training – because you need to improve.

    I’ll be watching – and if they stink up the field in week 1 of the regular season – THEN I’ll pay attention. For now, meh, so they might not win training camp and preseason trophies? 😉 Cheers

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