Bill Belichick on offensive play caller: “We’re going through a process”

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick has a new pull-string saying, to go along with “on to Cincinnati,” “day-to-day,” and “it’s already been addressed,” and others that aren’t currently coming to mind.

We’re going through a process.

He used that one three times when explaining the fact that two different assistant coaches called offensive plays during Thursday night’s preseason opener, against the Giants.

We’ll defer to the questions and answers on the subject, as distributed by the team after the game.

Q: We saw both Matt Patricia and Joe Judge taking turns on play call duty tonight on the offense. Is that the plan moving forward, having them switch back and forth, and do you plan on naming a single guy or going with both?

BB: Yeah, well, we did this game. We did a lot of things in this game that are going to be beneficial in the long run, whether it was on the coaching staff, playing time, players that played and so forth. That’s all part of the process.

Q: Bill, what were some of the benefits of having Joe and Matt call plays tonight?

BB: I thought it would be a good opportunity for us to do that.

Q: Do you know if one will call plays when the regular season arrives?

BB: Yeah, don’t worry about that. We’ll work it out.

Q: Have you decided?

BB: We’re going through a process. Just like everything else on this team. . . .

Q: You mentioned earlier with the offensive play caller you’re going through a process. What do you need to see —

BB: I don’t need to see anything, just we’re going through a process. Simple as that.

Q: It’s just a little bit of an unusual situation for us that have watched you guys before —

BB: What do you want me to do?

Q: I guess we’re just looking for a little clarity as to why we’re seeing what we’re seeing.

BB: Great. Yeah. Going through a process.

The most logical conclusion is that the six-time Super Bowl-winning head coach wanted to give each one of them a try at calling plays, so that he can analyze their performance — the same way he’d watch film of a player. That would seem to be part of the process.

With Belichick, however, nothing can be ruled out. Maybe the process results in both guys calling plays during the regular season, or perhaps alternating during a given game.

Regardless, an unexpected mystery continues in New England. In 30 days, we’ll see whether it’s Patricia or Judge or both or someone else calling offensive plays in the regular-season opener against the Dolphins.

196 responses to “Bill Belichick on offensive play caller: “We’re going through a process”

  1. Belichick is a weirdo. Always has been. Come out and say they are giving Judge and Patricia play calling opportunities without the title of OC to screw over the organization’s that made the mistake of hiring them.

    Meanwhile my Raiders have to endure McDaniel’s

    Another Belichick flunkie who won’t pan out.

  2. Beat writers can ask some stuid questions, don’t get me wrong, but I kind of feel for them in this situation. Those dudes and gals are just trying to do their job and Belichick’s responses are just so useless.

    I understand each coach is different. John Fox (Carolina) would say nothing and Dirk Koeter (Tampa Bay) would give everything, but dang…

    At least “I’m only here so I don’t get fined” was funny

  3. It would be interesting to see a team alternate play calling durring a game. However, if you have two play callers, you have none?

  4. Patriots coaching staff in 2005.
    Offensive coordinator: Nobody
    Assistant OL coach: Matt Patricia

    10-6 and playoffs. Didn’t seem to be a problem.

  5. We’ve all seen the Patriots win 6 Super Bowls, and there were several guys calling plays throughout those years. If you have a QB, it doesn’t matter who’s calling plays.

  6. I remember when Andy Reid brought Juan Castillo from the offensive side of the ball to coach the defense and that didn’t work out at all for Philly. Not sure what BB is thinking is going to happen different here.

  7. Who cares? While McDaniels was here all everyone did was complain about the play calling. It makes no difference who does it.

  8. I suspect part of the process, though a minor one, is to mess with the press. I know I for one am finding this whole “who’s calling the plays” pretty amusing, as well as interesting.

  9. Yesteryears’s team is going through a process. The process of finishing last in the AFC East.

  10. Pats fan here and they will be lucky to be 7-10 this season! At this point I would take the under. Team is in disarray, not sure why the Krafts are allowing this. Regarding the “new” offense, could it be Belichick is putting an offense in place so that they do not have to pay Mac Jones after year 4? He does not want to pay at that position even though it is a quarterback’s league. The glory day’s are over and the Patriot’s are now a mid tier or low tier team.

  11. The pre-season is a chance to try things out and experiment. Not sure why this is an issue for anyone.

  12. When all is said and done at the end of his career Belichick will be a below .500 coach when Tom Brady is not his starting quarterback.

  13. More important questions:

    1. Why sit a majority of starters?

    2. Run defense had issues

    3. Penalties were an issue

    It seems like Judge is working to develop depth and Patricia will be working with starters and guys who play significant time. Seems like an effective management strategy even if unique.

    4. Running game was ineffective

  14. Bill was grumpy when he was winning Super Bowls. I can only imagine how he feels with this roster…

  15. Joe Judge and Matt Patricia are literally the last two people in the NFL I would want talking to my young QB and calling plays.

  16. The fact our society thinks its normal to mock greatness is quite a problem everywhere.

    Can we at least wait until reacting? The disingenuousness of the media is pathetic.

  17. The media often attempt to make a mockery of those they cover so I support the inverse. Go Bill.

  18. Bill, call the plays!!!!

    What? you took all the credits : inventing the system, grooming Tom Brady and developing players for the system. Now the team needs an OC and you behave like a turtle?

  19. The Hoodie is always a pleasure to see. Its the pre-season they will work it out and he doesn’t have to give the media any answers about it.

  20. “We’re going through a process of being a well-oiled machine to be being hot garbage.”

  21. Hot take because it is preseason:
    The Patriots have finally found themselves a legit WR that they drafted on their own. And it’s about time. Thornton looks good in camp and he looked good yesterday.

  22. Before any Pats fans panic, keep in mind they were playing the New York Giants who are almost certainly a Super Bowl contender, so….oh wait.

  23. I’m sorry, Bill is a genius and, obviously, he has a plan mapped out. It could be entirely nothing, but if any other coach was doing this it would be properly dismantled.

    If either of these guys has a bad game does Bill change? When does he change it? These coaches surely are of 2 minds, it’s like having 2 qbs. You need consistency and some expectations as a player of how you will be used going forward. This is why some guys go stale with him, it takes a very rare kind of player to be successful on his team, when he finds them, they are amazing to watch, and brilliant.
    Like benching Malcolm butler tho, nobody on the team knew what was going on, and it made no sense.

    He better figure out and make a decision soon, so guys understand where they fit and what they have to do. You don’t want players to think judge was better for them, and you choose Patricia, you will have those players doubting the whole house of cards, even if it’s minimal doubt. Confidence is a huge factor.

  24. citizenstrange says:
    August 12, 2022 at 9:38 am
    When all is said and done at the end of his career Belichick will be a below .500 coach when Tom Brady is not his starting quarterback.
    ————————————————–
    Is that a real stat?
    Or will people see the most successful coach in NFL history, with nobody else even close?

  25. Belichick has been a head coach for 6 super bowl champions and he clearly is not stupid. He deserves a little benefit of the doubt here.

  26. He used to have a half hour radio show on the Patriots flagship station and you couldn’t listen to it because he was so bad. All one word answers and all the standard answers cited above. That being said, watching his interviews with the media is just a lot of fun for the same reasons. Go figure.

  27. Is that a real stat?
    Or will people see the most successful coach in NFL history, with nobody else even close?

    ————————-

    He took the credits he didn’t deserve. Now he has to show his magic system, or he is screwed.

  28. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 12, 2022 at 8:16 am
    Patriots coaching staff in 2005.
    Offensive coordinator: Nobody
    Assistant OL coach: Matt Patricia

    10-6 and playoffs. Didn’t seem to be a problem.

    >>>>>>>>>>

    They also had the greatest QB of all time. Funny that you left that part out

  29. iloveyouneighbor says:
    August 12, 2022 at 10:24 am
    citizenstrange says:
    August 12, 2022 at 9:38 am
    When all is said and done at the end of his career Belichick will be a below .500 coach when Tom Brady is not his starting quarterback.
    ————————————————–
    Is that a real stat?
    Or will people see the most successful coach in NFL history, with nobody else even close?

    —-
    Yup. Bill is the most successful coach for sure. But just like it is with QB’s, most successful doesn’t mean greatest.

    I think there are a lot of arguments for and against Bill as GOAT Coach so that’s not as clear. Right now I’m leaning toward Lombardi as GOAT coach. Bill is a football icon but Lombardi is a cultural icon.

    Other great coaches like Noll and Walsh were also not as successful without their star QB and nobody cares about that. Only Joe Gibbs had any real success with multiple QBs. He won with 3 QBs and none of them I’d call stars. Also an offensive innovator. I think he’s underrated and he’s right up there on the top tier with BB.

  30. Bill sitting at his chessboard ready to play while the rest of the NFL walks by and flips his chessboard overs and steps on his pieces.

  31. BB just doesn’t want teams to prepare on what to expect since both Patricia and Judge just came off head coaching jobs, opposing teams would just watch film on how either guy specifically tends to call games. He’s just trying to keep them guessing and have to study both.

  32. What? you took all the credits : inventing the system, grooming Tom Brady and developing players for the system. Now the team needs an OC and you behave like a turtle?

    2 11 Rate This

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, what to dislike? realize that you have screwed Belichick?

  33. eddiea25 says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:20 am
    Next coach of the Pats, Brian Flores.
    —-
    Wouldn’t say no to that.

  34. Patties lost to the pathetic Giants! Enjoy going through the losing “process” BB fanboys.

    Brian Hoyer > Mac Jones

  35. “he absolutely despises the media. I feel bad for them”
    _________________________________
    Not true. He really enjoys good questions, and like most people he hates being asked the same question 800 times, and when they try to push manipulate and dig more information out of him. The media’s been obsessed with who the playcaller is all camp and it’s been the only thing anyone asks him and he’s naturally annoyed by those questions now. He only hates bad reporters. You know he won’t answer that question after the last 500 times you asked it all summer, ask him something he can actually talk about or at least don’t press the issue with him.

  36. nytro says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:40 am
    Patties lost to the pathetic Giants! Enjoy going through the losing “process” BB fanboys.

    Brian Hoyer > Mac Jones

    Yet another STUPID comment.. Do you really think they cared about winning a pre season game? If they did they probably would have used the 3 timeouts they still had after the 2 minute warning instead of just letting the clock run out.

    Again notice how it’s “fans” of the bad teams that talk the most

  37. Comments like Belichick is nothing without Brady like”Brady carried this franchise. Without him they’re in complete disarray.” Those are misguided an uneducated fans who haven’t followed the PATS since their inception. Brady was a shell of himself during the first 3 Super Bowl wins. Belichick taught Brady, molded Brady and was instrumental in making Brady what he became in his later QB years. AND Belichick built the defenses that led to those Super Bowl championships. It is ridiculous to not give BB his status as one of the greatest coaches of all time in any sport let alone the NFL where he is likely the greatest ever. Belichick has more Super Bowl wins than all the active NFL coaches combined. BB is still the best with the talent he has and it will show this year and next despite the peanut gallery of fans and so called “experts” saying otherwise!!

  38. Yet Patriots 2nd string offense did better than Giants 1st string offense. Brian Hoyer scored a TD after 2 drives, Daniel Jones managed a field goal. In Bill we trust.

  39. Why is this such a big deal? The only ones making it a big deal are 1. Media, because BB treats them like crap. 2. Wanna be casual fans who think because they play Madden they know more than actual football coaches, etc. Personally, I LOVE HOW HE TREATS THE MEDIA! I love how he gives nobody anything! And to add, did anyone find it interesting how Seymour didn’t mention Tommy by name last weekend? You wanna know why? Because there were 52 other players who contributed to those championships and who put those players in place, BB. Mind you the media and hack fans we’re calling for Brady to be benched after the KC game in 2014. BB stood up for him. FACT!

  40. flash1224 says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:57 am
    nytro says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:40 am
    Patties lost to the pathetic Giants! Enjoy going through the losing “process” BB fanboys.

    Brian Hoyer > Mac Jones

    Yet another STUPID comment.. Do you really think they cared about winning a pre season game? If they did they probably would have used the 3 timeouts they still had after the 2 minute warning instead of just letting the clock run out.

    Again notice how it’s “fans” of the bad teams that talk the most

    Weird that the Gibbs Redskins are the only 0-4 preseason team that ever won a Super Bowl. Would have thought there would be more.

    The 08 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason in their 0-16 year.

  41. gsds4ever says:
    August 12, 2022 at 10:35 am
    I hope Matty Patty screws up the Pats as much as he did the Lions

    —————————————————————————————-
    Yeah, he’s the one who screwed up the lions! LOLOLOLOLOLOL! THE LIONS HAVE BEEN SCREWED UP FOR 50 YEARS!

  42. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 12, 2022 at 12:18 pm
    flash1224 says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:57 am
    nytro says:
    August 12, 2022 at 11:40 am
    Patties lost to the pathetic Giants! Enjoy going through the losing “process” BB fanboys.

    Brian Hoyer > Mac Jones

    Yet another STUPID comment.. Do you really think they cared about winning a pre season game? If they did they probably would have used the 3 timeouts they still had after the 2 minute warning instead of just letting the clock run out.

    Again notice how it’s “fans” of the bad teams that talk the most

    Weird that the Gibbs Redskins are the only 0-4 preseason team that ever won a Super Bowl. Would have thought there would be more.

    The 08 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason in their 0-16 year.

    Wait.. the Ravens have now won 21 pre season games in a row..

  43. . Brady was a shell of himself during the first 3 Super Bowl wins. Belichick taught Brady, molded Brady and was instrumental in making Brady what he became in his later QB years.

    ===================================

    Quite easy to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games in your mind, isn’t it?

    Go educated yourself and check how many QB among 14 QB in last playoff were able to do it, OK?

    Belichick taught Brady? Ya, Mozart was great because of his teacher.

  44. Tom Brady will never sniff the NFL playoffs ever again.
    ==========

    Looks like he might retire.

    If not, I think he can still get to the Playoffs.

    …. but can he still score 24 points???

  45. He took the credits he didn’t deserve.
    ==========

    Where? Prove it.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Watch Brady’s first throw in SB 42 from own 3 yard line, figure out why the defender was one step too late to tackle Troy Brown.

    Brady did it 3 times in the SB and it was how Brady turned Pats around in 2001, which is why Pats got first round bye, and it had nothing to do with Belichick.

  46. Love all the haters. You can tell who these so called fans are, they’re fans of awful teams(Bills, Jets,Dolphins), I could go on. These same clowns would take BB is a second to be their HC. Fact.

  47. Great coach. But he should learn how to treat people right and not think he’s better than anyone else.

  48. Wait, how come Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl? Why didn’t he win in 2007? He had the best offense ever! Pats were favored by 12 and lost by 3. And dont blame the defense, they only allowed 14 points. Tommy shoulda put 30 on the Giants but he choked.

  49. Only Joe Gibbs had any real success with multiple QBs.
    ==========

    Walsh knew what he had with Young. Wasn’t around when he started winning though.

    Holmgren is The Godfather, IMO. Young, Favre and Hasselbeck all got to Super Bowls.. Montana won his 2 MVPs with Holmgren, back-to-back. Mark Brunell had some great seasons with the Jags.

  50. He took the credits he didn’t deserve.
    ==========

    Where? Prove it.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    His yacht of 7 bowls.

    He took credits not only from Tom Brady as showed in my previous post, he also took credits from Bill Parcel, who gave him all the resources a DC could ask for.

    SB against Bills, his defense played less than 20 minutes and still gave Bills a chance to win the game in last 2 minutes. Tell me in what he should deserve so much credits.

  51. Wait, how come Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because Belichick changed the offense system in 2007 (which should already prove that the system before 2007 couldn’t possibly be his), adopted a system like Peyton’s, under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays.

    If Brady had played like that, which one of the last 3 SB could he have won? ZERO.

  52. Mas tequila! says:
    August 12, 2022 at 12:58 pm
    Only Joe Gibbs had any real success with multiple QBs.
    ==========

    Walsh knew what he had with Young. Wasn’t around when he started winning though.

    Holmgren is The Godfather, IMO. Young, Favre and Hasselbeck all got to Super Bowls.. Montana won his 2 MVPs with Holmgren, back-to-back. Mark Brunell had some great seasons with the Jags.

    Very true. Holmgren was also underrated as a coach.

  53. Watch Brady’s first throw in SB 42 from own 3 yard line, figure out why the defender was one step too late to tackle Troy Brown.
    ============

    This is an example of Belichick taking credit that didn’t belong to him?

  54. William Lee says:
    August 12, 2022 at 1:03 pm
    Wait, how come Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because Belichick changed the offense system in 2007 (which should already prove that the system before 2007 couldn’t possibly be his), adopted a system like Peyton’s, under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays.

    If Brady had played like that, which one of the last 3 SB could he have won? ZERO.

    —————————————————————————————-

    Funny, Tommy didn’t have an issue all season long with the offense.

    He choked.

    Period.

  55. Mas tequila,

    Did you ever see Belichick guided Brady during off season? Did you ever hear of a play design that was by Belichick? Did you ever see Belichick call a play on offense during the games?

    NEVER.

    How on earth that a coach didn’t have to do any of them but invented the system and gloomed Brady and developed players for offense? That is simply impossible, and he just laid back and let his believers give him all the credits. That is disgusting.

  56. Again, why is it so hard for people To admit it took BOTH of them to do what they did for 20 years. I’m sure both of them would admit to that.

  57. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    August 12, 2022 at 12:51 pm
    Great coach. But he should learn how to treat people right and not think he’s better than anyone else.

    I don’t think BB thinks he’s better than everyone else. Plenty of players who join the Patriots talk about Bill’s true persona being much warmer and very different than what he presents to the media.

    Some guys are just gruff with the media. Tom Coughlin was the same.

  58. Because Belichick changed the offense system in 2007 (which should already prove that the system before 2007 couldn’t possibly be his), adopted a system like Peyton’s, under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays.
    ===========

    Highest scoring offense in NFL history.

    And you’re complaining about it?

  59. Highest scoring offense in NFL history.

    And you’re complaining about it?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    It is about the philosophies in offense.
    #1, Do what I want to do, disregarding what opponent defense does.
    #2, Take what is given by opponent defense and attach according.

    #1 wins MVP, #2 wins you SB. Marino, Young, Peyton and Rodgers were not able to #2 offense, that is why they struggled badly in playoff.

  60. Again, why is it so hard for people To admit it took BOTH of them to do what they did for 20 years. I’m sure both of them would admit to that.
    ==========

    Thats all they do, and have done.

    Belichick has done nothing but gush about Brady. Brady has done the same.

    There may be some animosity on Bradys side for not finishing his career in New England. I wouldn’t fault him there. But he hasn’t stated it publicly, nor will he.

    There’s no feud here.

  61. Other great coaches like Noll and Walsh were also not as successful without their star QB and nobody cares about that. Only Joe Gibbs had any real success with multiple QBs.
    ————-
    Not true. Walsh always had great QBs except when he inherited a terrible team. It’s a testament to his GM prowess to get two HOF QBs back to back, along with his coaching genius.

  62. libertyandunion1994 says:
    August 12, 2022 at 1:26 pm
    William Lee says:
    August 12, 2022 at 1:03 pm
    Wait, how come Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because Belichick changed the offense system in 2007 (which should already prove that the system before 2007 couldn’t possibly be his), adopted a system like Peyton’s, under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays.

    If Brady had played like that, which one of the last 3 SB could he have won? ZERO.

    —————————————————————————————-

    Funny, Tommy didn’t have an issue all season long with the offense.

    He choked.

    Period.

    —–
    Yes he did. And in Super Bowl 46 when he did nothing against the 29th ranked pass defense and lost the game all by himself with that intentional grounding. One of the worst mistakes I’ve ever seen from anyone in a Super Bowl.

    And in Super Bowl 52 when he had the ball with 2 minutes left down 5… and fumbled to lose the game.

  63. It is about the philosophies in offense.
    ==========

    Winning is about scoring more points than the other team.

    With Belichick defense holding opponents down, you don’t need much on offense.

  64. Again, why is it so hard for people To admit it took BOTH of them to do what they did for 20 years.

    ———————-

    Now it is more like that Belichick believers try to avoid being embarrassed (for being wrong for 20 years) and still talk high of him.

    See the guy who claimed that Brady did nothing before 2007 (try to insist it was all Belichick)? he obviously has no clue of what Brady did between 2002 and 2006, like with the garbage squad given by Belichick the garbage, Brady was supposed to do something even Peyton and Rodgers had big trouble to do.

  65. Weis states in his autobiography “No Excuses” that the first play that he called in Super Bowl XXXVI was: Zero Flood Slot Hat, Seventy-eight Shout Tosser. Zero is the base formation: quarterback Tom Brady under center, running back Antowain Smith directly behind Brady, 7 yards in the backfield, and two tight ends, Jermaine Wiggins and Marc Edwards (normally the starting fullback). Flood Slot Hat further modifies this formation to line two wide receivers up to the left (David Patten wide and Troy Brown in the slot), to stack both tight ends on the right side of the formation, and to send running back Smith out to the right wide receiver spot in pre-snap motion. Thus the play began as a run-heavy look, yet at the time of the snap the Patriots had five receivers running pass patterns with an empty backfield. Seventy-eight is the base play number, a three-step drop play. Shout tells the three potential receivers on one side of the quarterback what routes they should run, while Tosser tells the other two potential receivers their patterns. On the actual play, Brady threw a quick slant to Brown for a 21-yard gain, 17 of it after the catch.

    This play design created a mismatch where the Rams tried to cover slot WR TBrown with a LBer. A total mismatch. All Brady had to do was a simple pitch and catch, nothing else

    The Pats didn’t change the system in 2007. They adjusted it to take advantage of unique personnel. Namely, Moss and Welker.

    The Pats are not changing the system this year either. They’re evolving a power running game into a zone running game, like most of the league. Because it’s simply harder to stop. They’ll be some growing pains.

  66. The Pats are not changing the system this year either. They’re evolving a power running game into a zone running game, like most of the league. Because it’s simply harder to stop. They’ll be some growing pains.

    —-
    Looking forward to seeing Jones get involved with that. More bootlegs, more rollouts and some designed runs. He is not a dual threat but he’s mobile enough to do it.

  67. This play design created a mismatch where the Rams tried to cover slot WR TBrown with a LBer. A total mismatch. All Brady had to do was a simple pitch and catch, nothing else

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    The defender was only 1 step too late to tackle Troy Brown.

    If Brady had turned his head 1/10th of a second earlier, the design wouldn’t work.

    If Brady had turned his head then searching for receivers, the design wouldn’t work.

    Understand now why Brady needed his receivers at exact spot at exact time?

  68. The Pats didn’t change the system in 2007.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Anyone with open eyes can tell the system was different from the one before 2007.

    In first game against Bills, Rex Ryan had no clue against Pats new offense, and dropped 9 to cover, and Jets were completely destroyed.

  69. Belichick’s system(built upon the Erhardt-Perkins system, predicates a lot of play action, so I agree about the rollouts and boots. I think Jones could be good at it if he can still be accurate throwing on the run. Not sure I want him on designed runs. Josh Allen is a tank. Jones, not so much.

  70. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 12, 2022 at 10:37 am
    iloveyouneighbor says:
    August 12, 2022 at 10:24 am
    citizenstrange says:
    August 12, 2022 at 9:38 am
    When all is said and done at the end of his career Belichick will be a below .500 coach when Tom Brady is not his starting quarterback.
    ————————————————–
    Is that a real stat?
    Or will people see the most successful coach in NFL history, with nobody else even close?

    —-
    I think there are a lot of arguments for and against Bill as GOAT Coach so that’s not as clear. Right now I’m leaning toward Lombardi as GOAT coach. Bill is a football icon but Lombardi is a cultural icon.
    ————————————————————
    Lombardi!?!? Ha! I could have been a great coach when there were 4 teams in existence!

  71. Belichick’s system(built upon the Erhardt-Perkins system, predicates a lot of play action

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A COMPLETE PASS ITSELF IN DINK N DUNK DOESN’T GIVE YOU FIRST DOWN. Where in Erhardt-Perkins system is it mentioned?

    Belichick’s system? BEING CHEAP and giving his QB no deep threat, which LEFT HIS QB WITH NO CHOICE BUT MOVING THE CHAINS LITTLE BY LITTLE, that is a system? LOL

  72. Nobody’s talking about this but I thought Sam Roberts was a monster last night in the pass rush. Completely owned Neal who was a top 5 pick in the draft.

    He keeps that up and we could have another 6th round pick emerging star on our hands this time on defense. Makes the team at least. Crazy. Let’s see what happens.

  73. There were a lot of encouraging things last night. Roberts was active. AJennings was in the backfield all night. The LB they got from Cleveland was all over the place. The D in general looked faster and more athletic
    A lot to build off. We shall see.

  74. Coaches are the most overrated in football. There, it needed to be said. The players play and win the games. They deserve all the credit. It goes to show that Belichick is next to nothing without Brady and Lawrence Taylor.

  75. Little Bill screwed next year’s coach when he spent over 230 million last year for a bunch of older, overpaid injury prone players. This team needs a rebuild.

  76. I guess everyone here forgot Judge was a WR coach here in addition to ST coordinator…
    Not like the guy doesn’t know offense.

  77. Does it really matter? I can call the plays. Players just need to know their job and execute.

  78. jameshodges says:
    August 12, 2022 at 3:26 pm
    Coaches are the most overrated in football. There, it needed to be said. The players play and win the games. They deserve all the credit. It goes to show that Belichick is next to nothing without Brady and Lawrence Taylor.

    ——

    This is one of the dumbest comments ever…it approaches William Lee level dumb

  79. Does it really matter? I can call the plays. Players just need to know their job and execute.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ya, your math teacher just teach you the math formula, you should be a mathematician.

  80. jameshodges says:
    August 12, 2022 at 3:26 pm
    Coaches are the most overrated in football. There, it needed to be said. The players play and win the games. They deserve all the credit. It goes to show that Belichick is next to nothing without Brady and Lawrence Taylor.
    ——
    Players play and win games but there’s been lots of examples of good teams who never became great because of a subpar coach. Like the Norv Turner Chargers.

    NFL coaches aren’t overrated they’re by far the most important and hardest coach to be in any sport.

  81. This is one of the dumbest comments ever…it approaches William Lee level dumb

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    Smarty, explain why Belichick dumps HIS system (I assume you think it was his system) that was the cornerstone of two dynasty.

  82. If Mozart taught Mac Jones would he be able to throw invisible passes only his WRs could see?

  83. If Mozart taught Mac Jones would he be able to throw invisible passes only his WRs could see?

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    Looks like you don’t know that “only his WRs could see” means “defenders can’t see the balls”.

    BTW, watch the several deep balls in last night game against Giants. Did you watch the game?

  84. They’re called ‘back shoulder throws’ Every team does it. College teams do it. Every decent NFL QB looks off safeties. Aaron Rodgers is better than Brady at it. Way better. These are NOT Brady inventions. Sounds like a jilted Jets fan may be upset Belichick left them at the alter and went and won all those Championships. With HIS System.

  85. Doesn’t matter : the great advantage here FOR QB is that defenders turn their back to QB, and can’t see the development of plays.

    With BeliCHEAP, lot of time, QB must depend on throws to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders, which makes scoring extremely hard.

  86. I’m as much as a pats hater as anyone. But come on. Reserve the judgement until the season actually starts. The only thing I saw in this game was BB hasn’t aged well and Patricia is “bigger”

  87. The only thing I saw in this game was BB hasn’t aged well

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    The other thing you should see is that he gives up his magic system (according to his fans). No coach would change HIS system at age 69 :D)

  88. Unfortunately, here is what the less learned among us don’t understand. Belichick is not ‘dumping’ his system. Any more than he did in 2007. He constantly tries to stay ahead of the curve by trying new things and evolving his system. To make it better. He doesn’t run a 3-4 D like he did with the Giants anymore, does he? His track record indicates he’s right more often than not. Just because the slower people don’t get it, on August 12th, doesn’t make it wrong.

    The only cogent point I’ve seen? Patricia is definitely bigger. I live about 50 miles from Foxboro and I’m concerned about his gravitational pull.

  89. Are the defenders “able to see the development of plays” or “not able to see the development of plays” ?

    The system under Brady belongs to the first : defenders “able to see the development of plays”.

    I am telling you that no other QB were able to succeed and no other QB will be able to succeed in such system. Hence, it was Brady’s system. Just like the system in Packers, it was Rodgers system because no other QB was able to play AND SUCCEED in that system.

  90. What kind of made up mumbo jumbo are we talking about now? There are only about 4 or 5 offenses in the NFL. Teams run their versions of it. Rodgers runs a variation of the West Coast offense, as they have for years in GB. Brady ran Belichicks version of his. The rest is nonsense. Brady had no system. He ran what the Pats coached him to run with the plays they called. With some check ability. He happened to get very good at it as the years went by with experience and getting better. Simple as that.

  91. In NFL history, there has been only one offense system that depends on throws to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders AND SUCCEEDED.

    You think other teams love to spend so much money on offense? You think other teams don’t want to move the chains slowly but still able to score enough to win?

    Every team loves to do it, but Pats were the only team that was able to do it because they had Tom Brady.

  92. Teams run their versions of it.

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    “Pats were built on Belichick’s version” is the dumbest take by Belichick believers. It is like claiming that the reason USA could send human to Moon was because Chinese dreamed of flying to the Moon a thousand year ago.

  93. William Lee is like a record that just skips and says the same thing over and over and over again, and it’s just really annoying. No one likes that sound.

  94. William Lee is like a record that just skips and says the same thing over and over and over again, and it’s just really annoying

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    Didn’t Belichick believers repeat their take (the “version”) for 20 years?

    Do you still think Chinese were responsible for US sending human to Moon?

  95. It’s clear now why Brady ditched this disgraced loser franchise. They’re nothing without him. Belicheat will never sniff playoff relevancy again with his hand picked joke of a roster. That’s not even mentioning the perverted owner.

  96. Cheatin’ Tom is 1-7 against Foles and the Manning brothers in AFC Championship games and Super Bowls. Also has a 70 rating against his former team and coach, even kinda admitted that Bill is in his head, and as we all know he has never won a single Super Bowl ring where he was the reason for the ring..it was always his teammates winning it for him or the other team messing up.

    Imagine actually thinking this guy is the greatest of all time 😂😂😂😂😂

  97. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 13, 2022 at 10:38 am
    Cheatin’ Tom is 1-7 against Foles and the Manning brothers in AFC Championship games and Super Bowls. Also has a 70 rating against his former team and coach

    Imagine actually thinking this guy is the greatest of all time

    Cheatin’ Bill is 1-7 against Foles and the Manning brothers in AFC Championship games and Super Bowls. He has won only one playoff game as head coach without Brady and is 0-1 against Brady head to head. He is a career sub .500 coach without Brady. We have all seen what Brady can do without cheatin’ Bill.

    Imagine actually thinking this guy is the greatest coach of all time???

    Enjoy your post-Brady mediocrity. It’s gonna be a fun ride.

  98. Um, no. I am correct. Coaches are the most overrated in football. Those Chargers teams were never good. They played well in the regular season because of soft schedules. Then, Rivers played awful in the playoffs. That has nothing to do with coaching. Rivers was awful in the postseason all throughout his career, just like Peyton. Coaches can’t teach clutch.

  99. jameshodges says:
    August 13, 2022 at 12:13 pm
    Um, no. I am correct. Coaches are the most overrated in football. Those Chargers teams were never good. They played well in the regular season because of soft schedules. Then, Rivers played awful in the playoffs. That has nothing to do with coaching. Rivers was awful in the postseason all throughout his career, just like Peyton. Coaches can’t teach clutch.
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    No they can’t and we know coaching can’t make a bad team great- see 2020 Patriots – but they can absolutely the difference between a good team going nowhere and a good team becoming great. Schott’s Chargers had no business losing that divisional game to NE in 2006.

    I don’t think the Bills would be a Super Bowl threat today if they kept Rex Ryan instead of going to Coach McDermott.

  100. Brady has also won seven rings, the most playoff games of all time, five super bowl MVPs and leads every other quarterback in postseason records. What exactly is Belichick without Tom? Under Bill, the Patriots have not won one playoff game without Brady. Just saying. So many of you Patriots fans are in denial.

  101. Poor fan club 🙁

    So easily triggered when their boi Tommy gets dissed and disrespected. That’s a shame. Guess he shouldn’t have cheated huh?

    The difference of course between Bill and Tommy is Bill stood at a podium with the whole country watching – and like a man he took responsibility and owned his mistake. Said it happened, it was wrong and it would never happen again under his watch. That was very easy to forgive.

    Tommy could have done that. He could have said yes we were deflating footballs to the legal minimum and then call out the league for not caring about this stuff till now and being sloppy with control of game balls. That too would be easy to forgive. His QB peers would have even appreciated that.

    Instead he smashed his cell phone.

    That’s why BB is respected around the league and Tommy is belittled and mocked by everyone except the fan club and will continue to be so. What a shame 😭

  102. “I don’t think the Bills would be a Super Bowl threat today if they kept Rex Ryan instead of going to Coach McDermott.” Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning have already proved that coaches aren’t as important.

    It’s all about talent. Phil Jackson won nothing without Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. In football, it comes down to execution and natural skill. It’s why Belichick hasn’t won anything without Brady.

  103. jameshodges says:
    August 13, 2022 at 12:45 pm
    Brady has also won seven rings, the most playoff games of all time, five super bowl MVPs and leads every other quarterback in postseason records. What exactly is Belichick without Tom? Under Bill, the Patriots have not won one playoff game without Brady. Just saying. So many of you Patriots fans are in denial.
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    Rings are a team stat. Wins are a team stat. Not a QB stat. Funny that Brady hasn’t won a single title where he was the main reason why they won it. His latest one in Tampa was courtesy of his defense, as was the one before that.

    Montana did it 4 times. Montana destroyed the #1 defense in the league. When has Brady ever done anything like that? Too bad we’ll never get to see him try. It’s ovah! 🙂

  104. jameshodges says:
    August 13, 2022 at 12:52 pm
    “I don’t think the Bills would be a Super Bowl threat today if they kept Rex Ryan instead of going to Coach McDermott.” Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning have already proved that coaches aren’t as important.

    It’s all about talent. Phil Jackson won nothing without Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. In football, it comes down to execution and natural skill. It’s why Belichick hasn’t won anything without Brady.
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    If you’re saying great players are more important than great coaches im not disagreeing with that. But that doesn’t make coaches irrelevant. A bad coach can make a good team underachieve. Not just in football in any sport. And i think football coaches are the hardest coach to be in any sport. There are so many different pieces to manage on a football team.

  105. Uh, the Bucs won their first super bowl in two decades because of Brady. He threw 40 touchdowns in 2020 on a new team in a new system. His defense didn’t score a single point in those playoff games. They made the playoffs for the first time since 2007.

    Montana’s scoring defenses were much more dominant than every Patriots defense. Check out the DVOA. And you can stop liking your own comments with other accounts.

  106. Brady already defeated the number 1 defense when he threw four touchdowns against the Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX. It was the same defense Rodgers and Manning played much worse against.

  107. Brady already defeated the number 1 defense when he threw four touchdowns against the Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX. It was the same defense Rodgers and Manning played much worse against.
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    Manning got them at 100%, Brady did not.

    But Brady did carve them up, no question. If not for a redzone INT, that may have been a blowout.

  108. I am telling you that no other QB were able to succeed and no other QB will be able to succeed in such system. Hence, it was Brady’s system. Just like the system in Packers, it was Rodgers system because no other QB was able to play AND SUCCEED in that system.
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    The Packers are running Shanahans scheme. Have been for the last 3 seasons.

    You better just stick to your Brady ideologies.

  109. Heck, Brady played much better against the Broncos in 2015 with a horrible offensive line than Rodgers did. Aaron passed for only like 68 yards against them. Tom was knocked down like 23 times in that AFC championship game, and the Patriots still came close to winning on the road. How about against the Eagles in Super Bowl LII? Belichick let the whole team down.

  110. “Manning got them at 100%, Brady did not.” And Brady would never allow a safety on the very first play of a super bowl either. How about throwing the game-ending interception? Brady and the Patriots offense had no problem driving down the field before Lane got hurt in Super Bowl XLIX. I don’t buy the injury excuse. They were all on a mission.

  111. How about against the Eagles in Super Bowl LII? Belichick let the whole team down
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    And yet Brady still had the ball with 2 minutes left down 5.

    Instead of picking up his struggling defense and closing the deal with a game winning drive for the championship…he fumbled. Can’t blame that on Belichick, Butler or anyone other than Tommy. He blew it.

  112. Montana’s scoring defenses were much more dominant than every Patriots defense.
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    Destroyed might have been too mild a word to describe what Montana did that day. He embarrassed the #1 defense in the league and stole their dignity. 55 points and it probably would have been 70+ if he wasn’t pulled early.

    No Brady never did anything like that. Or close to that. XLIX? That SEA defense was banged up big time. If a run is called by Pete Carroll or Malcolm Butler doesn’t intercept that pass- NE loses that game. Bottom line.

  113. Very odd that the fan club seems to rather have Malcolm Butler play in a Super Bowl than give Tom Brady a shot at a championship winning drive with 2 minutes left – which of course is what he had.

    Isn’t Tommy the “GOAT”? Isn’t that situation right in his wheelhouse? Isn’t Tommy supposed to be the clutchest QB ever? 🙂 I would have thought the fan club would have picked the latter every time. Guess not. 🤔

    Bottom line…Disregard all the noise. Butler playing or not playing had nothing to do with what happened. Brady had his chance to put his team on his back and win a title…and he blew it. Bottom line. Spin it dice it slice it all y’all want. Bottom line. He blew it. Coach BB and Butler had nothing to do with that. Period.

    Truth hurts.

  114. “No Brady never did anything like that. Or close to that. XLIX?” And Montana never won seven rings, lead the league in touchdown passes four times, win playoff games against more than half the league or throw six touchdowns in a playoff game. With your logic, you must think Dan Marino was better than Montana…

  115. What quarterback should have to pass for over 500 yards in a super bowl to win? Tom had no running game, his kicker was off all season and the defense ranked 30th in passing and made Nick Foles look like Aaron Rodgers.

    That super bowl loss was mostly on Belichick. Brady also saved him in those games against the Chiefs. Remember when his defense allowed 40 points? He has the most wins when his defense surrenders 28 or more points in the playoffs.

  116. jameshodges says:
    August 13, 2022 at 3:23 pm
    “No Brady never did anything like that. Or close to that. XLIX?” And Montana never won seven rings, lead the league in touchdown passes four times, win playoff games against more than half the league or throw six touchdowns in a playoff game. With your logic, you must think Dan Marino was better than Montana…
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    Brady still never dominated anyone when it mattered most like Montana did. Funny that Montana had a rating 30 points higher than Brady in Super Bowls. No doubt at all Montana doesn’t fumble on that game winning Super Bowl drive like Brady did. I bet Montana also doesn’t get embarrassed in a Super Bowl by the 29th ranked Giants pass defense like Brady did. No doubt Montana completes the 19-0 season if he had the chance Brady had.

    Not saying Brady sucks that would be silly. Montana IMO is the true GOAT. If I had to pick one QB in history to give me a game winning drive when I needed it most it’s Joe Cool by a landslide.

  117. As for Butler… the fact he is back with the Patriots under Coach Belichick despite there being a better than decent chance he does not make the roster next month tells me one thing.

    That he accepts whatever the reason was for the benching as his responsibility. Not the head coach’s. it’s not Bill’s ego or anything like that. Butler didn’t play that day because of Butler and not anyone else. And he is man enough to accept it. Good on him.

  118. Coaches can’t teach clutch.

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    James,

    You have to remember that most of people here are diehard Belichick believers, and they are different from Peyton’s fans or Rodgers’s fans or Mahomes’s fans. In general, they don’t appreciate anything Brady did. Even they do, they will give 70% to 80% of the credits to Belichick.

    Brady’s being clutch is one of the things they never appreciate, like Brady did in SB 42 with only a slot receiver (saving team from own 3 yard and delivering winning drive), Belichick believers have taken it for granted.

    Like they expect Brady to be perfect in ALL 3 playoff games with the cheap squad given by Belichick. If Brady struggled in even 2 quarters of one playoff game with the cheap squad, they will immediately talk about Belichick’s greatness and how Belichick made Brady.

  119. “Brady still never dominated anyone when it mattered most like Montana did.” He doesn’t have to. After all, it’s a team sport, right? And let’s not pretend and act like Joe was the greatest playoff quarterback ever. He wasn’t.

    Montana struggled against the Vikings and Giants in multiple games. He threw three picks against the Cowboys in The Catch game. Also, he didn’t play long enough to lose a super bowl. At least Brady won a ring without Belichick. What did Montana win without Walsh?

  120. If Belichick was as good as they thought and his defense dominated opponents, like Montana’s defense did ……

  121. Rings are a team stat. Wins are a team stat.

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    James,

    Comments like this is common strategy by Belichick believers and Brady haters. When you see such comments, just tell them :

    #1, first, understand the meaning of greatness : it is not about what he did, it is about what he was able to do special. Then figure out why Belichick could build the team in a way no other coaches could.

    #2, no other QB would be able to score 24 or more in two playoff games with the cheap squad given by Belichick, a requirement for Pats to win SB. Hence the team was great (a serious SB contender) because of Brady, and wouldn’t be great with ANY other QB

  122. Brady would never allow a safety on the very first play of a super bowl either. How about throwing the game-ending interception? Brady and the Patriots offense had no problem driving down the field before Lane got hurt in Super Bowl XLIX. I don’t buy the injury excuse. They were all on a mission.
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    Lane? Intercepted said pass in the redzone. 3rd string corner.

    Sherman was playing with 1 arm. Earl was hurt. Avril was lost before halftime. Those were the key injuries.

    And Manning faced a unit MUCH deeper on the front-4.

    .. still love the clip of Belichick screaming for anyone to block Bennett. That was pure gold.

    I gave Brady due credit for carving them up. But it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. Not close.

  123. Montana struggled against the Vikings and Giants in multiple games.
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    A good Viking defense.

    And who was the Giants coordinator? Pretty sure that was…………

  124. In NFL history, there has been only one offense system that depends on throws to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders AND SUCCEEDED.
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    Bill Walsh, in multiple sound bytes;

    “I want the ball a foot in front of the numbers..”

  125. Bill Walsh, in multiple sound bytes;

    “I want the ball a foot in front of the numbers..”

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    Was it how Joe Montana played?

  126. Mas tequila!

    Are you aware that if Brady had scored only 24 points, Seahawks wouldn’t have thrown the ball and would have won with a FG?

    FYI, Manning and Rodgers were never able to score 24 points in 3 consecutive games, let alone 28 points. So stop asking “Is Brady a GOD?”. Even Michael Jordan would have won only 3 NBA champions if NBA playoff was 1-game series.

  127. “And who was the Giants coordinator? Pretty sure that was…”

    The Giants defense was good because of Lawrence Taylor, not Belichick. His defenses in New England were atrocious more often than not. Check out 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2017. Bill also inherited a Patriots team in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Troy Brown and others.

  128. His defenses in New England were atrocious more often than not. Check out 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2017.

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    Say what?
    2007- 4th ranked scoring defense
    2012 – 9th
    2013 – 10th
    2017 – 10th

    That’s atrocious “more often than not”?

    I will give you 2011 although they did play well in the Super Bowl. Too bad they lost because Brady played like complete trash in the game.

  129. Only the fan club would think the Tampa defense that held Mahomes to a record low number of points in the Super Bowl was because of Brady 😂

  130. 2019 – total 68 points in 6 games by Jets, Bills and Dolphins.
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    2016 – total 99 points in 6 games by Jets, Bills and Dolphins.
    Texans 28th
    Browns 31th
    Bengals 24th
    49ers 27th
    Rams 32nd
    Ravens 21st
    Broncos 22nd
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    2004 – total 76 points in 6 games by Jets, Bills and Dolphins.
    Cardinals 26th
    Browns 27th
    49ers 30th
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    2003 – total 76 points in 6 games by Jets, Bills and Dolphins.
    Giants 30th
    Browns 29th
    Jags 25th
    Texans 28th

  131. BTW, none of Belichick’s defense played as good in playoff as Bengals defense in last playoff, except one game against Rams in 2019 SB when Rams lost their #1 and #2 playmakers on offense.

    Of course, Belichick believers didn’t know that Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd SB against Giants. Of course, that was Brady’s mistake by Belichick believers.

  132. James,

    The strategy of scoundrels to discredit Brady is very simply : judge him by “Is he a GOD?” As Brady is NOT a GOD, it seems they are not wrong if you argue about what they want to talk about.

    Like they only talk about Brady’s struggle against Giants, but completely ignore the routine collapses of Belichick’s defense in big games; like when they talk about Belichick’s greatness, they talk about only two out of 41 playoff games against Rams, like SB 2004 and SB 2018 were played by other coach’s defense.

    They have done this for 20 years, so be aware.

  133. Brady never scored 24 points (4 TDs) in the playoffs. I don’t know why Belichick hater keeps repeating this lie.

  134. “Only the fan club would think the Tampa defense that held Mahomes to a record low number of points in the Super Bowl was because of Brady 😂”

    How many touchdowns did Brady’s defense score in Super Bowl LV? Did Mahomes throw a pick-6? Brady threw three touchdowns and finished with a super bowl-best 125.8 passer-rating. The offense would have scored two more touchdowns, if they needed to. It’s amazing what Tom is capable of when he doesn’t have injured receivers or tight ends in the super bowl…

  135. “Say what?
    2007- 4th ranked scoring defense
    2012 – 9th
    2013 – 10th
    2017 – 10th”

    Those stats are inflated. They beat up on a lot of bad teams. In 2007, the defense allowed 35 points against the Giants, 28 points against a horrible Dolphins team and 20 points against the Jaguars in the playoffs. The pass defense in all of those seasons was lackluster. And don’t get me started on 2005 or 2010.

  136. Those stats are inflated. They beat up on a lot of bad teams. In 2007, the defense allowed 35 points against the Giants, 28 points against a horrible Dolphins team and 20 points against the Jaguars in the playoffs. The pass defense in all of those seasons was lackluster. And don’t get me started on 2005 or 2010.
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    The 2007 Patriots played one of the toughest schedules I’ve seen any team play. Played 7 teams that made the playoffs that year I believe and beat them all. That’s why the 16-0 was even more impressive. They earned it. The defense had talent everywhere and it was very good that year. It was the following year where they had a ton of injuries and took a step backwards. The defense in 08 why they didn’t make the playoffs that year not because Matt Cassel was QB.

    They were also really banged up in the secondary in 2005.

    That’s still nowhere in the vicinity of “atrocious more often than not”

  137. Did Belichick’s defense ever hold in last 2 minutes of any playoff game when the team needed his defense to step up, NOT due to the mistakes by other teams? even good coach wouldn’t have such poor records when his team needed his defense to step up.

    In SB against Bills, Scott Norwood missed the 41 yard winning kick. In SB against Seahawks, Peter Carrol called the worst play in SB history.

  138. How many touchdowns did Brady’s defense score in Super Bowl LV? Did Mahomes throw a pick-6? Brady threw three touchdowns and finished with a super bowl-best 125.8 passer-rating. The offense would have scored two more touchdowns, if they needed to. It’s amazing what Tom is capable of when he doesn’t have injured receivers or tight ends in the super bowl…
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    9 points.

    Even the corpse of Cam Newton’s arm could have won that game. Literally anyone. Brady was along for the ride. Nothing more.

  139. In SB against Bills, Scott Norwood missed the 41 yard winning kick. In SB against Seahawks, Peter Carrol called the worst play in SB history.
    ==========

    In 1990, 40 yd FG was not a freebie, like it is these days.

    Yes, Pete dialed up the worst play in SB history. But there is also no denying the Patriots defense played said play to perfection. Browner mauled his guy, and Butler ‘did his job’.

  140. The Giants defense was good because of Lawrence Taylor, not Belichick.
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    In the NFL 100 Series, Taylor himself credits Belichick for molding him into the player he became. And said he completely checked out when Bill left for Cleveland.

  141. But there is also no denying the Patriots defense played said play to perfection.

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    I guess your birthday 365 times, and got one right, does it make me a genius?

    Yes, that was a perfect play, but statistically it was inevitable given that they played so many big games. IF they were well prepared, how did they allow Ravens leading 14 points twice? how did they allow Seahawks scoring a quick TD before half time? how did they allow Seahawks getting into 5 yards?

  142. The Giants defense was good because of Lawrence Taylor, not Belichick. Again with the one player getting all the credit the giants had many good players and coaches just like the Pat’s had in there organizational run of success it takes the whole organization top to bottom.

  143. Taylor was the MVP of those Giants teams. You guys aren’t fooling anyone. Yeah, the Patriots had several good players when they won the super bowl, because talent triumphs coaching. Belichick has won nothing without Taylor and Brady. That’s a fact.

  144. There’s no one to fool.

    If you don’t want to take Taylor himself at his word, that’s your choice.

  145. The Patriots had both great players across the roster and a great coach and we saw the result.

    If they had only the great coach and average players or great players across the roster and an average coach there would be no dynasty. It’s not that hard to understand.

  146. The Patriots had both great players across the roster and a great coach and we saw the result.

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    Let us wait and see if Belichick can “develop” even another Patriots HOF.

  147. In the NFL 100 Series, Taylor himself credits Belichick for molding him into the player he became. And said he completely checked out when Bill left for Cleveland.

    3 1 Rate This

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    This post is beyond stupid, and even got likes. I guess if you ask a Nobel Price winner scientist about his teacher, he will say a lot of nice words about his teacher. Does it mean that his teacher was the reason he became an outstanding scientist?

    The logic question here should be why Belichick couldn’t develop other LB to even half as good as Lawrence Taylor, the answer can’t be simpler : the reason LT was LT was because of his talents. How come Belichick believers don’t even know such simple reasoning?

  148. Brady without Belichick couldn’t beat out Brian Griese for the starting job at Michigan and was the 199th overall draft pick.

  149. Lawrence Taylor’s, spoken first hand.

    But hey. They don’t fit your narrative. So I know why you won’t acknowledge them.

  150. In his first two seasons at Michigan, Tom Brady was a backup in the 1996 and 1997 seasons. Brady was seventh on the Wolverines’ depth chart at the time. Brian Griese was the starting quarterback in the Michigan Wolverines’ undefeated season in 1997.

    He then beat out Drew Henson for the starting position in 1998 and went on to play the entire season, throwing for 2,427 yards and 14 touchdowns with a whopping 10 interceptions.

    In 1999, the Wolverines decided to try a two-quarterback system. Brady and Henson each took one quarter in the first half, and the quarterback who starred would be the starter in the second. Tom Brady edged this contest and he WAS OFTEN USED IN CLUTCH POSITIONS.

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    Obviously, Brady fully developed by himself into a clutch player in college, had nothing to do with Belichick the garbage.

  151. Lawrence Taylor’s, spoken first hand.

    But hey. They don’t fit your narrative. So I know why you won’t acknowledge them.

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    I don’t know what exactly LT said, will you show a link? Why don’t you wikipedia a bit?

    Taylor’s talent was evident from the start of training camp. Reports came out of the Giants training compound of the exploits of the new phenom.Taylor’s teammates took to calling him Superman and joked that his locker should be replaced with a phone booth. Phil Simms, the team’s quarterback, said, “on the pass rush, he’s an animal. He’s either going to run around you or over you. With his quickness, he’s full speed after two steps.”Taylor made his NFL exhibition debut on August 8, 1981, recording 2 sacks in the Giants’ 23–7 win over the Chicago Bears. BEFORE THE SEASON, word spread around the league about Taylor.Years after facing him in an exhibition game, Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback Terry Bradshaw recalled, “[h]e dang-near killed me, I just kept saying, ‘Who is this guy?’ He kept coming from my blind side and just ripped my ribs to pieces.”

  152. I have underestimated how desperately Belichick believers try to give credits to Belichick the garbage.

    The explosiveness and speed of Lawrence Taylor was molded by Belichick? No wonder they believe Brady’s brain of super computer was molded by Belichick the garbage. They must think they would be Einstein if they had Einstein’s teacher or they would be Mozart if they had Mozart’s teacher.

    I must be dealing with people who would argue with me if I tell them “that person is not the father of your friend because the person is a woman”. They would argue how much his friend looks like the person, the hairs, the eye colors, etc.

  153. So Brady couldn’t even hold off Drew Henson for the starting job? That’s even more pathetic.

  154. I quoted exactly where it came from.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Don’t you know LT’s greatness came from his explosiveness and quickness?

    No, you believe that Belichick molded LT’s explosiveness and quickness.

  155. Then the Mozart analogy doesn’t apply to Brady. Mozart was a child prodigy while Brady was the 199th overall draft pick.

  156. Is the brain like super computer a kind of talent? (lot of modern time mathematicians didn’t excel when they were in high school) Well, it is not appreciated by coaches, GM, and fans. They all want to see big plays from their QB, because THAT IS THE ONLY TALENT THEY KNOW.

    Name some challenges that a QB has to deal with in dink n dunk but doesn’t have to in deep passing system, can you?

    and whatever the skills you have loved so much were almost meaningless with the cheap squad given by BeliCHEAP.

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    LOL, what do you dislike about it? I simply asked you to name “some challenges that a QB has to deal with in dink n dunk but doesn’t have to in deep passing system”.

    Furthermore, besides throwing the balls, can you name something that makes deep passing system harder than dink n dunk?

    For example, UNDER PRESSURE, do you rather throw to WR who is running straight downfield or to a slot receiver who is running across field?

  158. No, you believe that Belichick molded LT’s explosiveness and quickness.
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    Yes, I am willing to take a man at his word.

    Lawrence Taylor’s very own words.

    .. you expect me to take your word over his?? While you toss insults around, no less.

  159. No, I am not expecting you taking my word over LT, I expect you know that LT’s greatness came from his explosiveness and quickness.

  160. No, you believe that Belichick molded LT’s explosiveness and quickness.
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    Brett Favre was as talented as any QB I’ve ever seen. Without Mike Holmgren, he wouldn’t have succeeded in this League. Even WITH Holmgren, he was nearly discarded.

    I think LTs situation is very similar to Bradys; we’ll never know what he may have been, because the simple fact is, he was paired with Belichick. The results speak for themselves. Taylor has spoken on this, and it’s not any big secret, or big lie.

    Could another coach have gotten through to him? Sure. I’m not naive to that. We’ll just never know, definitively.

  161. Let us wait and see if Belichick can “develop” even another Patriots HOF.
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    Gronk is an absolute lock.

    I hear plenty of clamoring for Rodney Harrison.

    Mankins has a very solid resume, by comparison to the Gs getting in.

    Wilfork was one of the best at his position for a long time.

    .. coupled with Law, Seymour. Brady. That’s a pretty solid list.

    Put that up against the Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers dynasties.

  162. Without Mike Holmgren, he wouldn’t have succeeded in this League.

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    Who was the first coach for Peyton Manning? Not Tony Dungy. For Colts, his coach was replaceable, but not Peyton.

    The same for Favre.

    The same for Pats, Belichick was replaceable, Brady was irreplaceable.

  163. Gronk, .. coupled with Law, Seymour. Brady. That’s a pretty solid list.

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    They were great because of their own talents. THEY WOULD BE GREAT WITH LOT OF OTHER COACHES.

    A COACH CAN’T DEVELOP A PLAYER INTO A TOP (!!!) TIER PLAYER. If a player is consistently among top player, that is because of his own talents. Just like a math teacher is NOT the reason if one of his students becomes a great mathematician. THAT STUDENT WOULD STILL BE A GREAT MATHEMATICIAN WITH LOT OF OTHER TEACHERS.

    A great coach is a coach who can recognize the talents of his players and build the team accordingly. Belichick didn’t recognize the talents on offense (as you can see from his off-season spending in 2021), his strategy was letting Brady “finding gold among rock”. Such strategy simply wouldn’t have worked with any other QB.

  164. Who was the first coach for Peyton Manning? Not Tony Dungy. For Colts, his coach was replaceable, but not Peyton.

    The same for Favre.
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    Manning worked with Tom Moore on offense the entirety of his Colts career.

    Holmgren was clearly the cornerstone of Favres career. His 2 Super Bowls and 3 MVPs were all under Holmgren. Mike Sherman and Mike McCarthy were never able to get him to play at that level.

  165. Manning worked with Tom Moore on offense the entirety of his Colts career.

    Holmgren was clearly the cornerstone of Favres career.

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    Would Tom Moore be develop David Carr or Cousins into another Peyton?

    Would Holmgren be able to develop Daunte Culpepper or Vick into another Favre?

  166. They were great because of their own talents. THEY WOULD BE GREAT WITH LOT OF OTHER COACHES.
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    Gronk, #42 overall
    Law, #23 overall
    We all know Brady was barely drafted

    None of these guys were Lawrence Taylor, can’t miss, #2 overall.

    Seymour was a top 10 pick. So I guess 1 out of 4 would prove your point.

    But hey, shout some more. That might do the trick………………

  167. Belichick didn’t recognize the talents on offense
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    The endless run of slot receivers
    The 2-TE offense
    Always having a good group of RBs
    Always having a good, stable O-line
    Matt Cassell traded for a 2nd rounder
    Jimmy G traded for a 2nd rounder

    .. and if Brady is so great, why didn’t he win with his handpicked All-Star team last year? Thats the best group of talent he’s ever played with, right?

  168. Would Tom Moore be develop David Carr or Cousins into another Peyton?

    Would Holmgren be able to develop Daunte Culpepper or Vick into another Favre?
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    Moore got some really good football out of Carson Palmer. He’s working with your guy now. So he must be doing something right.

    Nobody has done a better job with QBs than Holmgren. Montana, Young, Favre and Hasselbeck went to 8 Super Bowls, Holmgren coached 6 of them. Montana, Young and Favre combined for 7 MVPs, Holmgren was the coach 5 of those seasons. Mark Brunell almost took the expansion Jags to a Super Bowl. Steve Bono and Aaron Brooks were flipped for considerable draft capitol.

  169. This guy claimed that Peyton Manning, Brett Favre were great because of their coaches.

    Belichick believers : it is your table now.

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