If Ravens, Lamar Jackson don’t get a deal done by Week One, what happens next?

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Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson has set a Week One deadline for getting a new contract in place with the team. Coach John Harbaugh has said a deal will get done when it gets done.

So what happens if it doesn’t get done by Week One?

Obviously, it could still get done after the first game of the regular season. It’s not a real deadline, but something imposed by Jackson. He can change his mind at any time, and the Ravens at any point could give him an offer close enough to what he wants to make it happen.

If the deal doesn’t get done before the conclusion of the 2022 season, the Ravens will have a limited window to continue to negotiate exclusively with Jackson. Then, they’ll have to decide whether to apply the franchise tag and, perhaps more importantly, whether to use the non-exclusive version or the more expensive exclusive level.

The Ravens went through that analysis a decade ago, after Joe Flacco rejected the team’s best offer in August and bet on himself. He won, squeezing a market-setting deal on the eve of the deadline for applying the tag — at a time when teams like the Browns and Chiefs were believed to be ready to try to sign him to an offer sheet if the non-exclusive tag had been used.

The Ravens may welcome the chance to use the non-exclusive tag with Jackson. If another team signs him to an offer sheet, the Ravens simply need to match it and he’s signed. While certain games can be played to make it harder for the Ravens to match, the league long ago closed the Steve Hutchinson loophole. Still, the Ravens would have to assume the risk that another team will make (and Jackson will accept) an offer they can’t or won’t match — and to accept two first-round picks as compensation.

A tag and trade is also possible, with the Ravens sending Jackson to a preferred destination in exchange for acceptable compensation. That’s the only way Jackson could get to Miami at this point, given that the Dolphins lost next year’s first-round pick due to the Sean Payton/Tom Brady tampering probe.

Through it all, the Ravens and Jackson have the ability to do a long-term deal at any time. That window would close only on July 15 of 2023, if he’s tagged by the Ravens and not traded.

The easiest way to avoid all of this is to get a deal done in the next four weeks. That’s obviously easier said than done; otherwise, a deal would be done by now.

77 responses to “If Ravens, Lamar Jackson don’t get a deal done by Week One, what happens next?

  1. If they can’t work out a deal, I would think Lamar would want to upgrade his career, and come back up Deshaun Watson.

  2. I think the Ravens are completely happy to let Jackson play out his contract this year. That way they get to see if he has reached his ceiling and/or his style of play continues to get him injured. I think yes to both questions. He is what he is after 4-5 years. Not making a judgement on what he is. He has a limited game. Great runner barely adequate passer. He isn’t going to change materially. In addition you get to see how his backup progresses as I bet Jackson misses more time this year. Lots of teams are going to ball and chain themselves to QB’s with the outlandish salaries they now command. Many are going to regret it. The idea that the latest to sign (at whatever position, but especially QB) has to be the highest salary is a loosing proposition. The next maxxed out salary QB to win a Super Bowl will be the 1st. Too many pretty good ones are making premium money.

  3. Huntley has a similar skill set and went 16-18 with a TD so he’s perfectly capable of running the offense. The Ravens should low ball a contract and make him either accept it, which would save them from another Flacco fiasco, or let him play out his contract and depending on how he plays they can tag him or tag and trade. A better position for the team long term…

  4. Given the value of any multi year deal, a poor decision to not have an agent. He would already know what other teams would be willing to pay if he was a free agent.

  5. A smallish quarterback who has struggled with some injuries,Jackson hasn’t progressed but has regressed since his MVP season in his game diagnosis,pocket presence and awareness in my opinion. Overpay for a limited non franchise quarterback who may have reached his ceiling, huge gamble,in my opinion.

  6. Trade Lamar or let him walk, get at least 2 1st round picks, use the $45M on complementary players, and start Huntley.

  7. If I’m the Ravens I’m not paying upwards of $45M annually to watch a guy hand the ball off to himself 20x a game.

  8. They’re pretty much the same team with Hundley at QB. Shouldn’t be stressing too much.

  9. The Ravens are having a field day stinging Lamar along because he has no agent they need to deal with. It’s Lamar Jackson’s own fault he hasn’t got a new contract yet……a agent would have boxed the Ravens into a corner by now.

  10. Running QB’s have very limited mileage. Do the non-exclusive tag, let him walk, save the cap space and get those picks.

  11. Rusty Nale says:
    August 14, 2022 at 1:12 pm
    Lamar seriously needs an agent.
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    I’m sure you said the same thing about DHopkins. You know, the player without an agent that negotiated to get paid the most for a non QB in football history. He also has a no franchise rage and no trade clause. Perhaps you’d rather see him with an agent going back and forth over the length of a contract like Dak? How much was Richard Sherman getting paid with no agent?

  12. What will happen is the Ravens will save themselves a ton of money, and they won’t overpay for this gimmick quarterback

  13. chickenbiscuit says:
    August 14, 2022 at 1:24 pm

    Trade Lamar or let him walk, get at least 2 1st round picks, use the $45M on complementary players, and start Huntley.
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    Sure! Lose nationally televised games, stadium ticket sales and jersey sales for a guy who took you OUT of playoff contention over a 37-12 MVP. Makes a lot of sense. I vote you NFL GM of the year.

  14. Him stepping on the field without guaranteed generational wealth of over 150 million guaranteed is just crazy to me. Ask RG3 how quickly things can change with one bad step or hit in the NFL.

  15. Sign Jimmy G and back out of that one dimensional offense. Use draft capital received to look for QB of the future.

  16. genericuser8888 says:
    August 14, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    Running QB’s have very limited mileage. Do the non-exclusive tag, let him walk, save the cap space and get those picks.
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    Someone please show the data that supports this along with the injury perception. RG3? That’s one guy. LJ has had one injury in 4 seasons and it was in the pocket. Vick played 13 seasons and Cunningham, 16. Kaep and Cam’s careers were cut short, but not do to mileage. Nothing but conjecture when it comes to LJ. Please talk facts.

  17. If Lamar left the Ravens today, how many teams would be prepared to sign him for what he is asking and then have the ability to uproot their offense to tailor to his strengths? 1, maybe 2? It’s not like he’s an advanced passer with running ability like Watson, whereas his skill set would be welcomed by all 32 teams if we exclude his off field stuff. Lamar is living in a fantasy world imo if he thinks he should be paid more money than Watson. Also facto in that he doesn’t have an agent and I wouldn’t seriously engage in negotiations with him. Let him play out this season and have a contingency plan in place to get his replacement and see if you can trade him for a couple of picks.

  18. As many as 7 1st quality QB’s in the next draft he want’s 50 million let him go save 45 million for the price of one 1st pick see no big deal .

  19. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 4:26 pm
    genericuser8888 says:
    August 14, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    Running QB’s have very limited mileage. Do the non-exclusive tag, let him walk, save the cap space and get those picks.
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    Someone please show the data that supports this along with the injury perception. RG3? That’s one guy. LJ has had one injury in 4 seasons and it was in the pocket. Vick played 13 seasons and Cunningham, 16. Kaep and Cam’s careers were cut short, but not do to mileage. Nothing but conjecture when it comes to LJ. Please talk facts.

    02Rate ———

    You pay on a projection not on what the player did in the past.

    If your team wants to be idiots, that is certainly their choice.

  20. You pay on a projection not on what the player did in the past.

    If your team wants to be idiots, that is certainly their choice
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    Exactly. Project out 37-12 and you get paid handsomely.

  21. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 5:17 pm
    You pay on a projection not on what the player did in the past.

    If your team wants to be idiots, that is certainly their choice
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    Exactly. Project out 37-12 and you get paid handsomely.

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    Project our 1-3 in the postseason and you don’t

  22. The difference is that Flacco won a Super Bowl, and Jackson has only won one playoff game.

    The leverage that QBs who’ve won nothing suddenly have is pretty incredible. Jackson, Murray, Cousins, Prescott – these guys have accomplished squat. The best QBs in recent times actually won something of note before the big payday.

  23. “Kaep and Cam’s careers were cut short, but not do to mileage.” Both of them had shoulder injuries that killed off their throwing abilities. That’s why Cam was a horrible QB at 32 which is comparatively young for most QBs now. The milage is entirely what made them fall off. Vick only had one good passing year his whole career and in those 13 seasons he only played 16 games once. Cunningham played 16 years but retired halfway through. He didn’t play a full season for his last ten years. Injuries added up for all these mobile guys you used as examples

  24. Lot of you commenters seem a little mad your team’s QB hasn’t won an MVP and Lamar has

  25. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 5:17 pm
    You pay on a projection not on what the player did in the past.

    If your team wants to be idiots, that is certainly their choice
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    Exactly. Project out 37-12 and you get paid handsomely.

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    Project our 1-3 in the postseason and you don’t
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    Right and Herbert, Carr and Stafford on Detroit don’t get a cent. Obviously, it’s not done that way. Jackson will get the best contract ever and the haters gon be mad, Can’t wait.

  26. Nite2al: every single running QB you talk about having long careers had their careers destroyed due to injuries. Randall Cunningham literally retired halfway through his career because he got dumped by the Eagles due to injury problems and he only had one good year after. Kaep and newton had destroyed shoulders which is why newton is horrible at “only” 32 which is young now for QBs. Vick only played one full season ever. It takes a toll to be a running QB. That’s the fact. Mahomes has gotten injured multiple times now. Even Brady had injuries while running/getting tackled. It’s not good for QBs in the long run to take hits.

  27. kevpft says:
    August 14, 2022 at 5:35 pm
    The difference is that Flacco won a Super Bowl, and Jackson has only won one playoff game.

    The leverage that QBs who’ve won nothing suddenly have is pretty incredible. Jackson, Murray, Cousins, Prescott – these guys have accomplished squat. The best QBs in recent times actually won something of note before the big payday

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    Yup….a lot of money for QBs with little track record of postseason success. I guess if you are content for your team to make it to the postseason and flame out, the guys you mention are your guys!

  28. How many SB does LJ have? Playoff wins? Football is still a team sport believe it or not!

  29. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 4:26 pm
    genericuser8888 says:
    August 14, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    Running QB’s have very limited mileage. Do the non-exclusive tag, let him walk, save the cap space and get those picks.
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    Someone please show the data that supports this along with the injury perception. RG3? That’s one guy. LJ has had one injury in 4 seasons and it was in the pocket. Vick played 13 seasons and Cunningham, 16. Kaep and Cam’s careers were cut short, but not do to mileage. Nothing but conjecture when it comes to LJ. Please talk facts.

    Ok, let’s look at the facts:
    Vick played 13 seasons? I guess that depends on how you define “played”. His last 4 years were forgettable. 3 – 7 in 2012 when he lost the starting job to Nick Foles. 2 – 4 in 2013 when he got injured and again lost the starting job to Nick Foles. In 2014 and 2015 he only started a total of 6 games.
    Cunningham also mostly faded towards the end of his career. While he was in the league from 1985 – 2001 (missed 1996 when he retired) he only started more than 6 games once after the 1994 season. Having said that, the one year he started more than 6 games after 1994 was memorable; 13 – 1 , 34 TDs, only 10 pics. That was a strong Vikings team with Cris Carter, rookie Randy Moss and Jake Reid. Still, the following year Cunningham was benched early in the season. Over his lengthy career, Cunningham only started more than 6 games in 7 seasons.
    I have nothing against Vick or Cunningham, or Jackson for that matter. All were great fun to watch in their prime, all crazy elusive, and I’d say Cunningham was the best quarterback of the group.
    You also mentioned Cam and Kaep. What happened to Cam when injuries slowed him down? Exactly.
    Kaepernick was a bright light for a short period of time. Appeared to be a true dual threat QB but after his 3rd season he had 3 surgeries and was never the same.
    Nothing but conjecture???

  30. What happens is lamar banking on himself pays off n gets his mega deal or the ravens tag him next year until they can come to an agreement baltimore is not gonna rush cause Huntley is capable of running the offense if lamar decides to go elsewhere but both sides know baltimore is lamars best bet for the future

  31. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 5:49 pm
    nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 5:17 pm
    You pay on a projection not on what the player did in the past.

    If your team wants to be idiots, that is certainly their choice
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    Exactly. Project out 37-12 and you get paid handsomely.

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    Project our 1-3 in the postseason and you don’t
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    Right and Herbert, Carr and Stafford on Detroit don’t get a cent. Obviously, it’s not done that way. Jackson will get the best contract ever and the haters gon be mad, Can’t wait

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    As a Patriots’ fan, I hope you are correct. It just means that Baltimore won’t have enough money to field a deep team and they still won’t have a QB who is passing threat.

  32. The mileage argument is dumb whether is real or not. You sign a guy to a 4 or 5 year contract. Then why do you need him to play 15 years? And more importantly, how many SB titles are you really gonna win? Two at the most, if that, as history dictates? I’ll take my chances with Lamar and a 4 or 5 year. After it’s up, you go to the table again. It’s not that complicated and not every QB plays for 17 years. I don’t know what is when it comes to Lamar, but the bar is set awfully high for him compared to other QBs. Herbert is 15-17 and you’d think he had won 2 SBs by now the way people drool all over him. And Allen, with no SB titles won a couple playoff wins against crappy teams, runs half as much as Lamar, but will never injured, so I guess he walks on water. And then we have Burrow, one year wonder with a lucky playoff run, got beat out by LJ as a pro bowler. Jackson takes a back seat to none of these guys.

  33. This contract will be very interesting. I don’t think Tyler Huntley is as good as some seem to think, but I don’t think Lamar is as good as some seem to think either.
    Whatever, if the Ravens pay too much the contract will be a huge problem for at least a few years. If they don’t pay enough Lamar might look elsewhere. I’d take my chances letting Lamar look elsewhere. The market may not be as strong as he thinks.
    Lamar’s best bet would be to sign a mid-level contract maybe ~ $35M. His best option is to stay with a well-coached team and Harbaugh’s teams are typically well-coached.

  34. As a Patriots’ fan, I hope you are correct. It just means that Baltimore won’t have enough money to field a deep team and they still won’t have a QB who is passing threat.
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    Right, just as LJ spanks your team in Wk 3 with 3 TDs passes sitting out the 4th quarter basking in NE sun that won’t be there much longer.

  35. I’m of the opinion Baltimore is going to let Lamar walk at the end of his deal using the Non Exclusive Franchise Free Agent rules. Let him negotiate with other teams. Then Baltimore can match an offer or let him walk. They get 2 first round picks. There’s no way they want to spend that kind of money on him,… they’ll let him walk. They’ll use the draft compensation to draft a new QB prospect or make a trade for one.

  36. I have nothing against Vick or Cunningham, or Jackson for that matter. All were great fun to watch in their prime, all crazy elusive, and I’d say Cunningham was the best quarterback of the group.
    You also mentioned Cam and Kaep. What happened to Cam when injuries slowed him down? Exactly.
    Kaepernick was a bright light for a short period of time. Appeared to be a true dual threat QB but after his 3rd season he had 3 surgeries and was never the same.
    Nothing but conjecture???
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    Yes, still conjecture. Most careers end because of injuries or they just suck. Plenty QBs running or not get shoulder injuries because of sacks, not running the ball. You’ve proven nothing new here.

  37. After this next season there is no guarantee that Lamar will be seen as max contract guy by other teams.

  38. This guy and Roquan are going to learn some hard lessons if they don’t wisen up soon.

    Also, Steve Young is the greatest mobile QB ever.

  39. Huntley doesn’t factor in, dummies. LJ gets a record breaking contract because he’s top 10 and its his turn. The next guy will then break the contract record. Best for teams to sign now. A season ending injury is the only way this doesn’t happen. I love the guy and hope I can watch him lead the team for years to come.

  40. Gotta give props to Nite2al. Stands in there and continues to defend a QB who is terrible in the playoffs, has been somewhere between the middle and worst of all starting QBs in the entire league in nearly every major QB stat for the past two years, is coming off a major injury, and can neither throw accurately nor read defenses. I mean, talk about going down with the ship. It’s admirable. The problem is that DeCosta knows it would be total lunacy to pay Lamar anything more than $20mm per year, for just a 3 year deal. Because he’s quickly on his way to either being a backup in 3 years, or out of the league. Lamar is one heck of a scrambler and an athlete but a QB who can win in the playoffs he is not.

  41. Pay him.Lets not forget how mediocre the ravens were Before Lamar Jackson where they missed the playoffs three consecutive season and Harbaugh would have been fired if Lamar didn’t save his Job in the 4th. He is a one man offense so you can save at other positions. Maybe it will be hard for him to stay healthy long term but who cares. You can get out of any contract in the NFL. How much dead money do the falcons have tied up in Matt Ryan? How much did they have in Joe Flacco?

  42. The simple answer is that they stop contract talks, focus on football, and pick up the negotiations after the season. LJ isn’t going to hold out.

  43. Teams are going to figure as will players sooner or later that tagging them and paying the high price for a couple of years is better off than paying top price on a contract that is also almost fully guaranteed for multiple years. They can take that first round guy and have him for 6 or 7 years and draft a QB every other year to sit behind him and learn a year. Keep a good team around the QB and in the long run be better off. Players are pricing themselves into making less in the end.

  44. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at

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    Not even going to quote you since it really does not matter, but you are delusional if you think Lamar is even close to the other QBs you mentioned.

  45. Why would you even mention Miami in this? Miami has their QB and their developmental QB in Thompson. I am going to be so happy when Tua proves all the haters like yourself wrong and then see how you spin the news and performance he creates

  46. People forget that thr Flacco contract basically decimated the team.

    From 2008 – 2012 on Flacco rookie deal they made the playoffs 5 times afc title game 3 times and one superbowl.

    From 2013 – 2017 on Flacco new contract. They made the playoffs one time and only got to the divisional.

    If you pay Lamar you need to either draft well or know he’s the guy who can elevate others.

  47. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 7:47 pm
    As a Patriots’ fan, I hope you are correct. It just means that Baltimore won’t have enough money to field a deep team and they still won’t have a QB who is passing threat.
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    Right, just as LJ spanks your team in Wk 3 with 3 TDs passes sitting out the 4th quarter basking in NE sun that won’t be there much longer

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    That very well may be true….but Lamar doesn’t have wha tot takes to success in the postseason. I guess if your high bar is beating a rebuilding Patriots team then go ahead and pay him! But he will never even sniff and AFCCG let alone a SB.

  48. Every contending team will be paying their QB $40-$50 + million/yr in short order, so I think the crippling contract argument is moot. A ‘prove-it’ fifth year & maybe additional tag years with Lamar works for both team & player. IMO Lamar is a better passer and team leader than many on the blogs believe. I have no doubt he could bring home a Super Bowl & second MVP this season. But committing to 6-7 years or beyond wouldn’t be prudent unless is was highly cap friendly for the next few years. I believe in Lamar and hope he signs, but I certainly understand the team being careful with a long-term contract. I think Lamar understands that too and is willing to bet on himself. I love his moxie. Expecting great things from him this year.

  49. Tony Awesome says:
    August 14, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    I’m of the opinion Baltimore is going to let Lamar walk at the end of his deal using the Non Exclusive Franchise Free Agent rules. Let him negotiate with other teams. Then Baltimore can match an offer or let him walk. They get 2 first round picks. There’s no way they want to spend that kind of money on him,… they’ll let him walk. They’ll use the draft compensation to draft a new QB prospect or make a trade for one.
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    Ridiculous. Baltimore wants to sign Lamar in the worst way. Remember, you guys are always wrong about this because you’re not an NFL GM and you do not know the NFL. Sales plays a lot into this and nobody wants to buy a Huntley jersey or see him play over LJ, my lord. You were wrong about Prescott and wrong about Murray (twice). Prescott even came off that famous career-ending injury that Lamar is supposed to get and he still got paid. Shows how much you know. The only snag is the Brown’s contract for Watson that exponentially reset the QB market. But that will get worked out and Jackson will get his well-deserved max money and he will be laughing at all of you all the way to M&T Bank.

  50. nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    I don’t know what is when it comes to Lamar, but the bar is set awfully high for him compared to other QBs.

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    You keep saying this, but I don’t buy it. It’s really simple: he’s a dud in the playoffs. He both loses and plays poorly there. In 4 playoff games, he’s only won 1, with only 3 TDs and 54 rushing yards, a 56% completion rate and 5 INTs across those games.

    People expect a high-profile QB to deliver and be successful in the postseason. You’re ultimately not considered a complete player unless you do. Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, they had all won Super Bowls by this point. You dismiss Allen and Burrow, yet Allen has been to 6 playoff games and won 3 of them, with his last loss against the Chiefs coming despite playing a titanically good game. You call Burrow getting to the SB “luck” despite his excellent play to get there (including a comeback win against the Chiefs).

    No one cares about one MVP award. Good QBs are supposed to win in the postseason. Great ones are supposed to do it regularly. Jackson’s bankability comes from the expectations his ability conjures. But he’s not living up to the promise.

  51. nite2al says:
    August 15, 2022 at 8:54 am
    Tony Awesome says:
    August 14, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    I’m of the opinion Baltimore is going to let Lamar walk at the end of his deal using the Non Exclusive Franchise Free Agent rules. Let him negotiate with other teams. Then Baltimore can match an offer or let him walk. They get 2 first round picks. There’s no way they want to spend that kind of money on him,… they’ll let him walk. They’ll use the draft compensation to draft a new QB prospect or make a trade for one.
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    Ridiculous. Baltimore wants to sign Lamar in the worst way. Remember, you guys are always wrong about this because you’re not an NFL GM and you do not know the NFL. Sales plays a lot into this and nobody wants to buy a Huntley jersey or see him play over LJ, my lord. You were wrong about Prescott and wrong about Murray (twice). Prescott even came off that famous career-ending injury that Lamar is supposed to get and he still got paid. Shows how much you know. The only snag is the Brown’s contract for Watson that exponentially reset the QB market. But that will get worked out and Jackson will get his well-deserved max money and he will be laughing at all of you all the way to M&T Bank

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    What do all the QBs you mention have in common? They stink in the postseason. They may get paid, but their teams won’t go far.

  52. kevpft says:
    August 15, 2022 at 9:23 am
    nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    I don’t know what is when it comes to Lamar, but the bar is set awfully high for him compared to other QBs.

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    You keep saying this, but I don’t buy it. It’s really simple: he’s a dud in the playoffs. He both loses and plays poorly there. In 4 playoff games, he’s only won 1, with only 3 TDs and 54 rushing yards, a 56% completion rate and 5 INTs across those games.

    People expect a high-profile QB to deliver and be successful in the postseason. You’re ultimately not considered a complete player unless you do. Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, they had all won Super Bowls by this point. You dismiss Allen and Burrow, yet Allen has been to 6 playoff games and won 3 of them, with his last loss against the Chiefs coming despite playing a titanically good game. You call Burrow getting to the SB “luck” despite his excellent play to get there (including a comeback win against the Chiefs).

    No one cares about one MVP award. Good QBs are supposed to win in the postseason. Great ones are supposed to do it regularly. Jackson’s bankability comes from the expectations his ability conjures. But he’s not living up to the promise.
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    Oh, please. Lamar has had a ton of critics since day one. After he loses his first playoff game, in his first season, no less, the critics came out screaming he can’t win on the road or come from behind in a playoff game. So, every rookie should win his first playoff game? Then he can’t throw. So, what does he do? He wins MVP with a record 2 games with a perfect passer rating, but still being called a running back. The Ravens lose to Tennessee in the playoffs after too much rest and the can’t come from behind critics come out. The next year, against Tennessee, he comes from behind in a double-digit deficit and wins on the road. Another “can’t do” taken care of. Then it was, he can’t beat the Chiefs, yada, yada, yada. Beat them last year in comeback fashion. Now, it’s he can’t win a SB. So, if Lamar had just won 2 more playoff games against crappy teams like Allen did, all would be good? Yeah, right. I defy you to tell me of any another QB that has received this level of scrutiny at every turn, especially with the level of success he has achieved. Cousins has been in the league 10 years with the same playoff record as Lamar, gets 55 million this year and not one complaint. Herbert has a 15-17 record and no playoffs, but I guess we will just change the measuring stick for him and just look at his individual stats.

  53. I have nothing against Vick or Cunningham, or Jackson for that matter. All were great fun to watch in their prime, all crazy elusive, and I’d say Cunningham was the best quarterback of the group.
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    I would love to see Vick and Cunningham playing in this era.

    Cunningham had to run the gauntlet every year in the NFC East. They won 7 of 10 Super Bowls while he was the starter in Philly.

    Neither got the coaching they deserved. They would crush it in these spread offenses.

  54. kevpft says:
    August 15, 2022 at 9:23 am
    nite2al says:
    August 14, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    I don’t know what is when it comes to Lamar, but the bar is set awfully high for him compared to other QBs.

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    You keep saying this, but I don’t buy it. It’s really simple: he’s a dud in the playoffs. He both loses and plays poorly there. In 4 playoff games, he’s only won 1, with only 3 TDs and 54 rushing yards, a 56% completion rate and 5 INTs across those games.

    People expect a high-profile QB to deliver and be successful in the postseason. You’re ultimately not considered a complete player unless you do. Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, they had all won Super Bowls by this point. You dismiss Allen and Burrow, yet Allen has been to 6 playoff games and won 3 of them, with his last loss against the Chiefs coming despite playing a titanically good game. You call Burrow getting to the SB “luck” despite his excellent play to get there (including a comeback win against the Chiefs).

    No one cares about one MVP award. Good QBs are supposed to win in the postseason. Great ones are supposed to do it regularly. Jackson’s bankability comes from the expectations his ability conjures. But he’s not living up to the promise.
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    First, you don’t care about the MVP award, but the players do very much so. Lamar has had a ton of critics since day one. After he loses his first playoff game, in his first season, no less, the critics came out screaming he can’t win on the road or come from behind in a playoff game. So, every rookie should win his first playoff game? Then he can’t throw. So, what does he do? He wins MVP with a record 2 games with a perfect passer rating, but still being called a running back. The Ravens lose to Tennessee in the playoffs after too much rest and the can’t come from behind critics come out. The next year, against Tennessee, he comes from behind in a double-digit deficit and wins on the road. Another “can’t do” taken care of. Then it was, he can’t beat the Chiefs, yada, yada, yada. Beat them last year in comeback fashion. Now, it’s he can’t win a SB. So, if Lamar had just won 2 more playoff games against crappy teams like Allen did, all would be good? Yeah, right. I defy you to tell me of any another QB that has received this level of scrutiny at every turn, especially with the level of success he has achieved. Cousins has been in the league 10 years with the same playoff record as Lamar, gets 55 million this year and not one complaint. Herbert has a 15-17 record and no playoffs, but I guess we will just change the measuring stick for him and just look at his individual stats.

  55. People forget that thr Flacco contract basically decimated the team.

    From 2008 – 2012 on Flacco rookie deal they made the playoffs 5 times afc title game 3 times and one superbowl.

    From 2013 – 2017 on Flacco new contract. They made the playoffs one time and only got to the divisional.
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    Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were at the end. Ngata, Boldin and Suggs were age related casualties.

    Top it off with the Ray Rice situation.

    The contract wasn’t the problem after 2012.

  56. I defy you to tell me of any another QB that has received this level of scrutiny at every turn, especially with the level of success he has achieved. Cousins has been in the league 10 years with the same playoff record as Lamar, gets 55 million this year and not one complaint. Herbert has a 15-17 record and no playoffs, but I guess we will just change the measuring stick for him and just look at his individual stats.

    Wrong on so many levels:
    Cousins isn’t getting $55M this year. He signed a 1 year extension for $35M so he’ll get $40M this year and $30M next year.
    To be honest, pretty much every NFL QB gets tremendous scrutiny, especially when things aren’t going to plan. Tua? Wilson in Seattle? Carr for several years? Mayfield? Rodgers? Cousins? Wentz? Ben last year? Tannehill? D Jones? Jimmy G? Fields? The only QBs that don’t come under great scrutiny are those that are successful (Brady, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and I’ll include Herbert because of his trajectory – rookie of the year in 2020, set numerous records for first 2 years as QB, etc) or those where expectations were very low (Lawrence, Z Wilson, Goff, Mills).
    The QB pay scale is changing quickly so signing Jackson to an overly rich contract may not be the burden it would have been a couple years ago. However, we already see too many teams rewarding mediocre QBs (Prescott, Murray, Watson, Jackson?).
    An elite QB is worth big money but the reality is there are < 10 elite QBs in the league and Jackson simply isn't in that mix.

  57. RunItGunIt says:
    August 14, 2022 at 10:12 pm
    Gotta give props to Nite2al. Stands in there and continues to defend a QB who is terrible in the playoffs, has been somewhere between the middle and worst of all starting QBs in the entire league in nearly every major QB stat for the past two years, is coming off a major injury, and can neither throw accurately nor read defenses. I mean, talk about going down with the ship. It’s admirable. The problem is that DeCosta knows it would be total lunacy to pay Lamar anything more than $20mm per year, for just a 3 year deal. Because he’s quickly on his way to either being a backup in 3 years, or out of the league. Lamar is one heck of a scrambler and an athlete but a QB who can win in the playoffs he is not.
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    Thanks for the acknowledgement the LJ defense team. Look, I can easily admit Lamar has passing issues at times, mostly do to lack of concentration IMO, but no QB can do what he does with his legs, but no one seems to count that aspect of his game. Too much is made of his playoff record in a team sport. A rookie loses he first playoff game on the road and you really hold that against him? The next year they lose to Tennessee, too much rest and the loss of RB1 really hurt. Stuff happens, but he still puts up 500 total yards in the game. The next year, he gets his first playoff win and the next week they lose to Buffalo in a poorly offensively called game and poor play by Lamar as well. But how you can surmise in 3 seasons of NFL playoffs that you can’t win a SB with this guy and he basically sucks is beyond me. First getting to the playoffs is no easy feat. Manning and Elway both had their early playoff struggles, good thing their coaches didn’t give up on them.

  58. I think Lamar is a quality player and an asset to his team when healthy. That said, he’s probably not the kind of player you want to get locked up for a long time with lots of guaranteed money. He’s very effective with his elite running ability, but once that starts to go you’re probably left with a mediocre player at best. The longer the Ravens can go year to year with him, the better off they are. But LJ is crazy for not locking up any bigtime, guaranteed money while he’s in his prime years with a little leverage…because his window is likely closing fast!

  59. nite2al says:
    August 15, 2022 at 11:36 am
    RunItGunIt says:
    August 14, 2022 at 10:12 pm
    Gotta give props to Nite2al. Stands in there and continues to defend a QB who is terrible in the playoffs, has been somewhere between the middle and worst of all starting QBs in the entire league in nearly every major QB stat for the past two years, is coming off a major injury, and can neither throw accurately nor read defenses. I mean, talk about going down with the ship. It’s admirable. The problem is that DeCosta knows it would be total lunacy to pay Lamar anything more than $20mm per year, for just a 3 year deal. Because he’s quickly on his way to either being a backup in 3 years, or out of the league. Lamar is one heck of a scrambler and an athlete but a QB who can win in the playoffs he is not.
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    Thanks for the acknowledgement the LJ defense team. Look, I can easily admit Lamar has passing issues at times, mostly do to lack of concentration IMO, but no QB can do what he does with his legs, but no one seems to count that aspect of his game. Too much is made of his playoff record in a team sport

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    Lamar himself has come up small. I’m these postseason games. Good QBs make their teammates better and find ways to win. Lamar does neither of those things

  60. nite2al says:
    August 15, 2022 at 10:48 am

    First, you don’t care about the MVP award, but the players do very much so.

    === The players don’t pay the contracts, and the fans don’t care about MVP, they care about the team being a postseason contender.

    Lamar has had a ton of critics since day one.

    === Every QB does. Every one. Brady’s won 7 Super Bowls and still gets trashed on every comment board (including by you).

    So, if Lamar had just won 2 more playoff games against crappy teams like Allen did, all would be good?

    === Jackson hasn’t just lost 3 out of 4 playoff games, he’s played badly in them. 3 TDs and 5 INTs in 4 games. He’s lost to the Chargers and Titans, and managed only 3 POINTS against the Bills in the 2020 postseason. Why wouldn’t that earn scrutiny? Allen has won 3 playoff games in the last 2 seasons alone and played a perfect game against the Chiefs in the last playoff loss. It’s a big difference.

    === I defy you to tell me of any another QB that has received this level of scrutiny at every turn, especially with the level of success he has achieved.

    Your question is the answer. Who has achieved Jackson’s level of regular-season success with such a dismal post-season showing? He’s an outlier. You can look at the SB dry spell of Rodgers or Wilson, but winning a Super Bowl answers the question forever, fair or not. (And they also still get trashed on comment boards.) There’s no one else like Jackson right now, who compiles such a good regular-season record with all the highlight plays but implodes in the playoffs. So scrutiny is earned. When you get that far, people expect you to be able to keep going.

    As for Cousins – he’s been a subject of mockery and incensed confusion since his first contract. He’s been a running joke for years, with the consensus that it’s ridiculous that he’s been paid the way he has. He gets less attention overall these days because his teams have been mostly irrelevant. And Herbert’s still a year or more away from a new contract. His stats are incredible but he also hasn’t won anything yet, so he also hasn’t proven himself.

  61. Pros: Excluding last year’s complete team injury decimation, when Lamar plays, this team makes it to the playoffs every year HANDEDLY.
    Cons: They haven’t gone deep in the playoffs yet.

    Of note: If you watch all the playoff games with an unbiased perspective, Lamar wasn’t the reason for all the playoff losses.

    He’s earned a contract.

  62. Yeah he “earned a contract” It’s just not worth what Mahomes & Allen & Herbert & Burrow have gotten – or are gonna get. Ravens would’ve paid it by now, if they felt it warranted.

  63. LJ already beat out Wilson, Cousins, Mac Jones, Carr and Murray in players top 100. Who’s next?? Allen, Burrow, Herbert? Players know the real deal, PFT posters just a bunch of haters. Cousins, 55 million dollar man at #99, laughable and you expect Lamar to get peanuts.

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