Peter Harvey will refrain from ruling in Deshaun Watson case until settlement talks reach impasse

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Yes, settlement talks continue between the NFL and the NFL Players Association in the Deshaun Watson case. It’s no surprise at this point. It’s been the case since late last week.

Appeals officer Peter Harvey hasn’t completed the (by rule) “expedited” review two weeks after the filing of the league’s appeal of the original six-game suspension for one reason. He’s waiting until the league and the union reach impasse in their ongoing settlement talks.

The message on Monday was that a settlement remained viable. At this point, every minute that Harvey doesn’t issue a ruling means that a settlement can still happen. And because the NFL, as a practical matter, controls Harvey, he’ll wait until the NFL tells him that settlement talks have hit a brick wall.

That’s the bottom line. No ruling until no settlement.

So where could a settlement land? Watson reportedly is willing to accept eight games. The league surely wants at least 12 games. The obvious middle ground is 10 games, plus a fine that converts all or part of 2021 into an unpaid suspension by taking up to the full $10 million in salary that he received last year.

As previously mentioned, both sides need to be committed to selling to the public that last year was, as a practical matter, a paid suspension, since he didn’t play in 2021 due to the off-field issue. And that’s 100 percent accurate. But for the legal entanglement, he would have been traded to the Dolphins at some point between the middle of March and Labor Day weekend.

Now, a different deal is under the microscope. Will the NFL and the NFLPA strike a deal that avoids a ruling from Harvey and, in turn, a fight in federal court? The possibility of a settlement remains until Harvey rules.

Actually, a settlement can happen even after Harvey issues a ruling. The league surely would prefer, however, to not bang the internal gavel at something like a one-year suspension and then promptly walk it back to 10 or 12 after the union sues. The time to settle is now, before Harvey rules. And Harvey won’t rule unless and until there’s a genuine impasse.

66 responses to “Peter Harvey will refrain from ruling in Deshaun Watson case until settlement talks reach impasse

  1. Odd question:
    If he is fined 10 million (what he was paid by Texans last year), and the NFL touts this as “1 year suspension w/o pay…already served”
    Wouldn’t the Texans technically get Salary Cap relief due to that ruling?

  2. Good insights here. It’s in both sides’ interest to make a deal so they can move on. The entire nation has Deshaun fatigue at this point.

  3. “both sides need to be committed to selling to the public that last year was, as a practical matter, a paid suspension, since he didn’t play in 2021 due to the off-field issue. And that’s 100 percent accurate.”

    What? That’s not accurate at all. Watson refused to play because he wanted a trade, because he was upset about front-office hirings. That came up before his abuse of women became known.

    It’s absurd for the league to let an abuser set terms for his own punishment and it’s absurd to think Watson quitting on his team would somehow be counted toward that.

    The league is getting this VERY wrong. This needs to be strong punishment and Watson needs to be made an example of. I don’t think the league gets how many people are watching this and basing their future engagement with the sport on how they rule in this case.

  4. No amount of selling his holdout as a suspension is going to work. The NFL is destroying their reputation by letting this predator pick his own punishment

  5. They will get to a settlement and when they do, it will be passed off as a Peter C Harvey ‘ruling’ as he will issue a ‘ruling’ which mirrors the settlement that is passed onto him beforehand.

    He probably already has it written and is only waiting to insert the number of games and fine amount into his document before it being fraudulantly passed off as a ruling and not a settlement.

  6. This needs to end. Someone make a decision and move on. I really am tired of hearing about this in terms of a suspension or not. Trust me either way the league is eventually going to get a lot of bad press (which they don’t care about) once this guy steps on the field for a regualar season game.

  7. With fans chanting nasty things at him like they did in Jacksonville where he only completed 20% of his passes, Cleveland should be supporting a full one-year ban. A one-year ban might give them time to ship him off someplace where he can get his head right. A guilty conscience can ruin an athlete’s career, just ask Tiger Woods.
    Maybe he can go to Peru and get some psychedelic drug treatments like Aaron Rodgers did.

  8. “He’s waiting until the league and the union reach impasse in their ongoing settlement talks.”

    Watson’s camp should make sure that he never has to issue a ruling. Anything is better than the indefinite suspension that he is certain to issue.

    “And because the NFL, as a practical matter”

    This sad fact speaks volumes. No matter how much the players make their so-called union is a joke. I would love to see the Saudis set up a LIV Football just to bring some balance to this relationship. Throw some money at all the offensive linemen in the NFL and let the chips fall where they may.

  9. If they treat last year as any type f suspension in relation to this than the NFL is more stupider than anyone thought

  10. I know the agreement this year is for less money but at the very least shouldn’t the fine settlement be last year’s missed time + this year’s missed time? If they really wanted to send a message, the fine would be based upon average annual contract value (inclusive of bonuses).

  11. What happens if Watson declines to pay the fine? His contract was guaranteed anyway.

  12. No, he chose not to play for the Texans. What if he had been injured and not been able to be traded? Would you say that also counts as a suspension? Of course not. I don’t know why you keep pushing this agenda but Deshaun Watson said he would not play another down for the Texans and he sat on his butt all last year by his choosing, before this story broke, that had nothing to do with this situation. You can’t have your cake and eat it too and that’s exactly what this would be.

  13. In a civilized society one must question what justice for the victims is gained and what deterrent is established by a settlement negotiated like a business deal. Even a suspension of a year will be looked at as a future mathematical formula, 4 victims/17 games equals 4.25 games per victim. We know that there were far more victims and the predator Watson’s only remorse is motivated by the hope of reducing his financial damage. The Cleveland owners also need to be severely punished for their role in the contract that was a punishment workaround essentially condoning Watson’s actions. If the NFL is serious about these issues a stance can be taken now and well worth the cost of defense by establishing a ZERO tolerance policy. A policy that will be widely accepted by the fans and very difficult to argue against even for the NFLPA.

  14. There won’t be a settlement. This all for show by the NFL. Why would they negotiate when they can simply have Harvey hand down whatever punishment they want?

  15. Why is it the ones chosen to do the correct thing run away from reasonability. Seems to be the trend out of the league office today.

  16. 10 games and 10 million was my prediction a week ago. Is Vegas giving odds? Now, where is my big jug of coins…

  17. People who bash the NFLPA in this case fail to understand that the union represents all of the players. While Watson deserves everything coming to him, the next player accused by the league may not. The NFLPA cannot just lay down and allow a precedent to be set that could harm future innocent players.

    It is also possible that the NFLPA is willing to accept a harsher result than Watson is. It is doubtful that the union is taking orders from Watson’s camp.

  18. The Browns should just tell Watson to accept the one year and that they wouldn’t start him anyway if it’s any less. Then they can move full speed ahead preparing whoever is actually going to start.

    This nonsense is just depriving the backups of the time they need to get ready. Yet there still seems to be the hope that the backup will win them at least 1/2 their games (with very little prep) and when Watson comes back he’ll set the league on fire. They already shot themselves in the foot by signing Watson and now they’re shooting themselves in the other foot by pretending like he’s going to be a factor this year.

  19. 6 games and his entire salary this year, not just the 1 mil that shows on the cap, the whole 50 million. He’s got 200 more coming. Just end this. Easiest way to do that, pay up big time financially.

  20. I think 12 games plus mandatory counselling, plus 10 millions, is the best compromise. On one side, Watson must go thru a process of recognition and remorse, and on the other side, 1 year plus application for reinstatement gives too much power to the NFL.

  21. this is the NFL dragging it out as long as they can in hopes of this story going away or people not as interested in it once the season starts..

  22. This…is BS. Settlement talks have been going on long enough. Watson’s offenses occurred two years ago. At this point, his team is just stalling. It’s amazing that the NFL is buying it.

  23. No, Mr. Florio, Watson quit on Texans, his teammates, and his fans. Watson choose to not play for the Texans, Watson choose to not settle all the civil lawsuits last year, and to go back at this late date say he would have played for the Dolphins, is like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Last year Watson still thought he would get a pass, and now Watson knows his is not getting a pass. Watson has shown no remorse until this past weekend. Most of us saw the videos of the chant(s) at the Browns-Jags game. Watson has damaged the shield of the NFL. Watson will hear chants at every game he plays in, which will continue to damage the shield of the NFL. Many folks who have kids, will avoid games with Watson playing because of the fans chanting because they do not want to explain the egregious, gory details of the Watson situation.

    Harvey has not released his suspension, IMHO, because the NFL wanted extra time to prepare for a possible Watson lawsuit against the NFL.

  24. This reminds me of when two kids get into a fight and neither one knows how to get the action going.

  25. I just hope they don’t give my team’s owner the same penalties. Or worse since they NFL vows to hold ownership to a higher standard

  26. What is 100% accurate is that Watson didn’t play last year because he refused to play for Houston. That he couldn’t be traded to someone else as he wanted came up after his refusal to play for Houston and then after the massage scandal broke. What happened last year was in no way a suspension, no matter how T some may want to spin it.

  27. the nfl is the only hugely profitable business in america that can continue to be operated by tone deaf empty suits who couldn’t manage by their own devices to keep ice frozen at the north pole. it why the super rich want to buy a franchise no matter the cost, because its a no lose investment.

    any real business would have dispensed with this issue without such soul searching and continuing bad press, much like when they gave the kid in atlanta a year off for the high crime of betting on his team in an amount totaling .00001% of the money watson is paying his lawyers and victims.

  28. As this has continued to drag out, it has become more and more obvious that nobody involved feels good enough with what they know to actually impose any real punishment. As a matter of fact, at this point I would suggest that the only reason it is still a “thing” at all is because of the “me too” movement. At some point I am wondering if the league will actually end up offering reparations to Watson for dragging this out so long. At the end of the day Cleveland will get what they wanted all along, and at least for once, will end up looking like the smart guy in the room.

  29. Getting the league and the union to find the sweet spot between Watson’s 8 game offer and the leagues 12 game offer should not be impossible. Why a rando judge and a rando lawyer should decide is just weird. Make the deal.

  30. Watson chose not to play last year because he felt disrespected that he was not allowed to help choose his head coach. The fact that he could have possibly been traded and play somewhere else is meaningless because he decided that he would not play for the team that he was contractually obligated to play for.

    If the league is in actual settlement talks then that just proves that they don’t care about what Watson did to those women.

  31. The NFL is in a bad situation that’s why they’re talking settlement. If this goes to a federal court it a bad news for them and they know it.Like I’ve been saying there’s more to this than what’s being reported. One and a half years, and they still can’t come to a conclusion that should have been swift.

  32. WHY is this a discussion? Why isn’t the punishment handed out and that’s it? Why does Watson get to negotiate his penalty? Did Ray Rice? Did Kareem Hunt? I don’t get why Watson is special. Give him a year at least, fine him $10 million, and close the book on this.

  33. Watson had a no trade clause in his contract, he could have voided the trade to Miami.Watson is playing ball right where he wants to play.

  34. the NFL has a few skeletons in the closet that a law suit would bring to light ..so a settlement it shall be..

  35. x1972x says:
    August 17, 2022 at 7:45 am
    “the NFL is more stupider than anyone thought”
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    Irony

  36. If the league settles for anything less than what they’ve repeatedly said they want, especially after Goodell’s little speech to the owners, it will be very difficult to sell to the public.

  37. evrybdyhas1 says:
    August 17, 2022 at 7:55 am
    ” We know that there were far more victims and the predator Watson’s only remorse is motivated by the hope of reducing his financial damage. The Cleveland owners also need to be severely punished for their role in the contract that was a punishment workaround essentially condoning Watson’s actions.”

    Wow. So much to unpack here. First we DON’T know there were far more victims. We know 24 women filed suit and 23 have settled to date. We don’t know how truthful the claims were and because of the non disclosure agreements–we probably never will. It’s just as naive to think all 24 women were telling the truth as it is to believe that all 24 women were lying. Because of the settlements no truth will come out in court. As far as the Browns and the contract, you clearly know nothing about how the Browns operate. The Browns historically give out contracts with extremely low pay in the first year. This allows them to accumulate cap space and roll it over to the following year. Mile Garrett’s contract was written this way (2 years ago!), Ward’s contract was done this way, Watson’s contract was written this way. They even renegotiated Cooper’s contract where he makes 1 million this year. You have a problem with these contracts take it up with the NFLPA. Spoiler alert! They don’t seem to mind.

  38. 1. Sources who claim settlement talks are ongoing? 2. Every one of these stories speculates that the NFLPA will file a lawsuit if/when the final ruling comes down. But there is no basis for a lawsuit when the NFL is complying with every step of the CBA. You can’t collectively bargain for a disciplinary process and then file a lawsuit when the other party has meticulously followed every step of the process. I’m an employment attorney, but you don’t need to be a lawyer to figure that out.

  39. Bunch of BS going on. Watson could have settled long ago. The fact that the there was an investigation and a ruling was made shouldn’t give him another chance to try and settle. MLB came down on Bauer like a ton of bricks (1 season is enough, considering there has been a lot of talk about his situation being consensual). The fact that the NFL isn’t putting an end to this by having Harvey give a ruling of less than 1 year is pathetic and a crime in and of itself.

  40. Ladies and Gentlemen, The Cleveland Browns. Now the NFL will make 8 or 10 million from Deshaun’s pockets too, this is a s**tshow and Haslem is the ringmaster.

  41. Wow, just how ignorant is this getting. Since when do people in any situation related to wrong doing get to decide what punishment they will accept. I actually thought the NFL was going to finally do something right and now they are just proving that it is all show. Just going to cancel all of my NFL plus and Sunday ticket subscriptions. Time to walk away from this modern example of the NFL after 45 years of being a fan. Sooner or later everyone needs to make a choice of having some morals and what organizations they support.

  42. florioisableedingheartlib says:
    August 17, 2022 at 10:39 am
    evrybdyhas1 says:
    August 17, 2022 at 7:55 am
    ” We know that there were far more victims and the predator Watson’s only remorse is motivated by the hope of reducing his financial damage.”
    ___________

    Wow. So much to unpack here. First we DON’T know there were far more victims.
    ____________

    Actually we know exactly that. The NYT reported that there were at least 66 victims. Other reports place the number at over 100.

  43. The NFL’s problem is that it’s caught in its own hypocrisy. How do they lower the hammer on Watson and provide cover for abusive owners at the same time? The threat of NFL owners having their dirty laundry exposed in federal court is real if Watson sues especially since the CBA states that owners are to be held to a higher standard. While the NFL hasn’t lost in federal court, it’s trickier this time around and the NFL knows it. They are in a no-win situation of their own making. And, I’m going to defend Watson because I think he’s getting a bad rap. Reading through the accusations (and they are only accusations, not proof of anything), at worst he’s guilty of misdemeanor offenses, not actual, violent, sexual assault. But Buzbee and the NFL have done a great job promoting this assault narrative, including having Robinson sign on, but now the NFL is living with the consequences.

  44. allowing watson to settle should not be an option, he should not be allowed to negotiate a punishment for what he is accused of and his predatory behavior. it has been established he is a predator that preyed on women that alone should be a year suspension. the sheer amount of women he (allegedly) non violently sexually assaulted should be another year suspension. this is a horrible precedent that is about to be set in the NFL. Bad behavior is tolerated in the NFL, we all knew this but this takes it to a new level.

  45. gibson45 says:
    August 17, 2022 at 11:14 am

    Actually we know exactly that. The NYT reported that there were at least 66 victims. Other reports place the number at over 100.

    Actually the NYT reported there were at least 66 masseusses–not victims. A very important distinction. Also the 100 number is also masseusses–not victims.

    The bottom line is we KNOW there were 24 allegations filed against Watson. Not 66. Not 100. At least not yet. That’s all we know. Maybe there all valid–maybe not. The NFL clearly didn’t think so because they interviewed 10 of Busbee’s clients (according to Busbee) and only used 4 of the cases in the disciplinary hearing. That means even the NFL didn’t think 6 of the cases demonstrated a violation of the personal conduct policy.

    So let’s not misconstrue facts.

  46. Why is there any negotiation ? This is the first time ever for that I think. Just suspend him like you have every other player.

  47. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!as quoted above.—–since he didn’t play in 2021 due to the off-field issue. And that’s 100 percent accurate. But for the legal entanglement, he would have been traded to the Dolphins at some point between the middle of March and Labor Day weekend.——–lets really take a look back to 2021 Watson could have played and showed up to work. He choose not to because the Texans wouldn’t trade him after getting a huge new contract to be 1 of the top paid. Then this creep gets 20+ accusations of what, a role model should never be putting themselves in. So what happens next he gets rewarded the biggest guarantee ever still to today. If any other man was accused of these crimes we would have been fired, released, let go or whatever you wanna call it. If Watson plays this year im probably done with the nfl. Will be just watching high-school ball till the nfl ruins that too.

  48. ollmarshfield says:
    August 17, 2022 at 7:34 am
    With fans chanting nasty things at him like they did in Jacksonville where he only completed 20% of his passes, Cleveland should be supporting a full one-year ban. A one-year ban might give them time to ship him off someplace where he can get his head right. A guilty conscience can ruin an athlete’s career, just ask Tiger Woods.
    Maybe he can go to Peru and get some psychedelic drug treatments like Aaron Rodgers did.
    ———————————————————
    And Josh Rosen completed 85% of his passes. It’s the preseason.

  49. 3 of 63 said something along the lines of there was no way they could tell him no. The other 63 apparently told him no. The numbers work both ways.

  50. If Watson was found guilty in court of the acts Judge Robinson says occurred he would very likely be in jail right now, and he would definitely be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life.

  51. The bottom line is we KNOW there were 24 allegations filed against Watson. Not 66. Not 100. At least not yet. That’s all we know. Maybe there all valid–maybe not. The NFL clearly didn’t think so because they interviewed 10 of Busbee’s clients (according to Busbee) and only used 4 of the cases in the disciplinary hearing. That means even the NFL didn’t think 6 of the cases demonstrated a violation of the personal conduct policy.

    So let’s not misconstrue facts.

    ————————–

    Let’s also not misconstrue that whether it was 100, 66, or 24 it it totally screwed up, he is a sexual predator, and deserves to be suspended and fined.

  52. Enough of this already isnt the season going to start in a couple of weeks?? Just put him on the reserve list and be done with it. 8-12 games isn’t enough and we all know it. Next year he can play

  53. Friendly reminder that the pinnacle of morality Cleveland Browns issued an additional team suspension to Josh Gordon ABOVE what the NFL handed down when he smoked a plant.

  54. Settlement ends the media circus and avoids the expense and potential adverse impact of litigation/legal precedent. I don’t blame them for waiting an extra week. I bet if Watson agreed to 14 games and several millions in fines, it’s be settled.

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