Nielsen pegs Amazon’s Week 2 Thursday night viewership at 13 million

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Amazon overpromised and, officially, barely overdelivered.

Nielsen, which was retained by Amazon to generate TV-style ratings for the non-TV broadcast of last Thursday’s Chargers-Chiefs game, has pegged the viewership for the game at 13 million.

Amazon raised eyebrows by telling advertisers that the Thursday night package would generate an average audience of 12.5 million viewers. Nielsen has, one week after the game was played, announced that the final number for Chargers-Chiefs was 13 million.

If the number is true and accurate (and frankly who the hell knows?), it’s much higher than the estimates from industry insiders.

There’s something fishy about all of it. Why a one-week delay? Why use Nielsen to legitimize numbers that Amazon should be able to track and verify in real time? They know our buying habits and our search history. They know what we watched and when we watched it and how long we watched it. How do they not immediately know how many Amazon Prime customers tuned in to watch a live show on Amazon Prime?

Of course, there would always be skepticism when the fox is providing the henhouse head count. Nielsen gives Amazon’s number a patina of credibility.

Still, it just feels as if there’s more to the story. More about the behind-the-curtain back and forth between ratings company and ratings-company customer who desperately needs to be able to pull the sheet from a giant number. More about a little tweak here and a little spin there to make the number just a little bigger.

And is it a coincidence that the size of the audience is being trumpeted today? That big number ideally activates the FOMO crowd, who may now feel compelled to tune in tonight for a game featuring a far less compelling quarterback matchup between the Steelers and Browns.

Last week’s game was as big as it gets on the 2022 Amazon slate, although a couple of potentially great games are looming. If Chargers-Chiefs had been on a three-letter network, the number would have exceeded 20 million, easily.

Officially, Amazon is currently at 13 million, or 65 percent of 20 million. Unofficially, maybe Amazon has even farther to go.

Regardless, Amazon will be exclusively streaming Thursday night games through the end of the decade. If you plan on watching the game, resistance is indeed futile.

64 responses to “Nielsen pegs Amazon’s Week 2 Thursday night viewership at 13 million

  1. Let’s see what there ratings are after tonight’s game Pittsburgh at Cleveland 2 non important teams

  2. All very good points Mr. Florio. Amazon knew exactly how many people tuned it right after the first play of the game.

  3. I hope Thursday games don’t make it to the end of the decade. Players on 3 days rest can’t give it their best effort, regardless of the mental gymnastics that the $$$$ brigade makes. The paying customer deserves better than sloppy play and teams being unable to make plays in the 4th quarter because they’re just plain tired (the Chargers were gassed, couldn’t make a second effort for an extra yard or two to gain a first down if their lives depended on it.)

  4. Horrible idea to move the TNF games to Amazon Prime. They’ll be back on the NFL Network etc before long.

  5. Well if they say that after tonight’s irrelevant game we’ll know it’s a lie.

  6. I somehow doubt it. This was really a bad move by the NFL. People just are not ready to go full on with streaming.

  7. I would feel better about the numbers if Amazon came out with them right away and then said Neilson had confirmed them. As it is, we have no idea how accurate it is. It’s odd that they estimated 12.5 million and it miraculously resulted with a 13 million. So close and twice what the pros in the industry estimated. Maybe they were so accurate because as Florio said, they know our viewing habits better then we do.

  8. I have an interest in tonight’s game. Can Cleveland stay in the game these next nine weeks until Deshaun Watson returns from suspension? Can Pittsburgh work toward another non-losing season with Mike Tomlin at the helm? The NFL has given Amazon another good game. It’s early in the season and both teams are 1-1. No, it isn’t Chargers/Chiefs, but at least it is not something completely unwatchable like Falcons/Seahawks.

  9. Not buying they were that close to the actual viewership estimate they provided. Agree it’s more than fishy.

  10. 1. You can’t flip the channels back and forth with ease to watch multiple games like tonight watching the college game and this game.
    2. People don’t want to be involved with Big Tech to watch football.
    3. People don’t want to pay more to get something they are used to getting
    4. People don’t want to be tracked to watch a football game

    Those ratings are a lie. Back to college football on ESPN. Dumb move by the NFL. The Thursday night product is sub standard as it is.

  11. Nielsen often reports streaming numbers after over the air numbers. Never seen it take a week but they always wait to report the streaming numbers because they have to get the data from the streaming service. That being said, Amazon had those numbers right away and could have given them to Nielsen the next day.

  12. Roger looked pretty annoyed sitting next to Bezos last week.

    Wonder what that will do to his ownership chances?

  13. It’s not true that they should know how many people are watching the game in real time. They likely know how many active streams there are at any given time, but since the games are also broadcast on DirecTV it would be incomplete to only release the streaming numbers. Neilson was probably brought in so it could incorporate those numbers. And I’m sure they have a standardized algorithm of how viewers are ‘counted’ (how long people were tuned in for it to count, etc.). One week does seem like a long time to release numbers since we get overnight ratings for other things, but to say Amazon should know instantly is false.

  14. Streaming quality on live sports is sub-par in most instances. I’m not against doing it, but provide a traditional television option as well. The video compression, delivery and ability to use other playback features there is much superior.

  15. So far, Amazon’s broadcasts suck. Oh well, I don’t need to watch football every time it is on, or for that matter ever, anymore.

  16. There are currently more people with Amazon Prime memberships than there are cable subscribers, let alone cable subscribers that get ESPN. Yes it stinks games are moving to streaming. Amazon has 172 million members in the US alone. There are about 90 million cable subscribers, 72 million with ESPN. Tack on about 22 million that have ESPN+.

  17. I wonder how many of those 13 million viewers also complained about the horrible streaming that we witnessed last week! When it works, it’s an amazing 4K picture….but way too many streaming glitches. I have 1G service and ZERO problems with any other streaming platform. Amazon just isn’t ready for prime time!

  18. I’m gonna watch tonight’s game because I like football and I can stream due to the fact I’m not a moron.

  19. Its almost like they stopped the count at 3am with a bad number for them, and then when they started counting again there were millions of new viewers that miraculously appeared…

  20. I wouldn’t trust any numbers from Amazon. They claimed that 25 million people watched their disaster “The Rings of Power” and then later said that they “sampled” it.

    I would imagine that NFL football does pretty well on Prime, most people have Prime (about double the number of cable subscribers). It will do just fine. MNF averages something like what Amazon is promising.

  21. I personally hate that thursday night football is on amazon. Im not going to sub to a service just to watch one game a week. I subbed to amazon for a week or so to watch Reacher but normally unless its a show i want to watch when it comes out i normally wait to sub to any service until they have a show like that then I watch the shows during that time. Like im not going to sub to Disney + until Mando season 3 is about to come out and ill catch up with the other shows in the few days before that. There are just too many streaming services to stay with them all the time so I just am subbed to a few at a time that have what i want to watch now. I love football but im not going to pay for a streaming service to watch one game a week when i have already watched everything else i want on that platform.

  22. LOL at all these naysayers, the NFL will do what it wants and you will pay for it.

    Those that won’t will be replaced by newer younger fans who don’t think streaming is soooo bad.

  23. I know a book author who won’t disclose how he can advertise here and how much he pays for his book promotion here. I also know an author here who has routinely out and out lied in stories without correction. I bet his book also is underwhelming and overpromised. And it is likely no book has been so heavily promoted and delivered little.

  24. The least Amazon could do is broadcast the games in 4k. That in and of itself would make it worthwhile on my 75″ Sammy.

  25. I heard Amazon said they drew a record number of Prime signups during the 3 hour game. I bet that many of those folks are going to take advantage of the free 30 day trial and cancel within 30 days.

  26. tyreehelmetcatch says:
    September 22, 2022 at 9:52 am

    “I hope Thursday games don’t make it to the end of the decade. Players on 3 days rest can’t give it their best effort, regardless of the mental gymnastics that the $$$$ brigade makes. The paying customer deserves better than sloppy play and teams being unable to make plays in the 4th quarter because they’re just plain tired (the Chargers were gassed, couldn’t make a second effort for an extra yard or two to gain a first down if their lives depended on it.)”

    They have been playing Thursday night games for sixteen years. Why are advertisers willing to pay? Clearly people are watching these games. The question I have is: When is the NFL going to play games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

  27. Have to remember DIRECTV still provides the Amazon Prime game to Commercial accounts (Sports Bars). It’s Channel 9526. This explains the delay since not all of it is streamed.

  28. nfl1920 says:
    1. You can’t flip the channels back and forth with ease to watch multiple games like tonight watching the college game and this game.
    2. People don’t want to be involved with Big Tech to watch football.
    3. People don’t want to pay more to get something they are used to getting
    4. People don’t want to be tracked to watch a football game

    Those ratings are a lie. Back to college football on ESPN. Dumb move by the NFL. The Thursday night product is sub standard as it is.
    ——————————
    If you think watching an NFL game on Amazon is a tech-intrusion concern, please don’t do anything ever again and definitely don’t look into any other device or the internet in general, friend. The very fact that you’re on here writing a comment means you don’t take any of your 1-4 seriously.

  29. If Jacoby Brissett vs Mitchell Trubisky gets 13-Mil, you KNOW there’s a problem. Although there may be more people who enjoy comedy than I’m appreciating.

  30. Did I count in their numbers? I tuned in for 10 minutes- screen glitches, a terrible picture, sound issues, and just overall awful experience made me turn it off. And I download at 275 Mbps/s and all my other streaming was fine so it wasn’t me.

  31. Why does this even matter? Amazon paid what they paid for these games whether 20 million people watch them or 3 people watch them. I’m not a fan of this shift, but I’m not sure why these numbers are an more suspect than the regular Nielsen estimates that are based on extrapolating data from a small sample of participating households.

  32. uwachampion says:
    September 22, 2022 at 9:53 am
    Horrible idea to move the TNF games to Amazon Prime. They’ll be back on the NFL Network etc before long.
    ——————————————-

    If by “before long” you mean 10 years then yeah. Amazon’s deal with the NFL runs through 2033 and they’re paying a BILLION dollars a year for the Thursday night package. And forget the Nielsen numbers. Broadcasters have been battling them for years over inaccurate ratings although this would be the first time they’ve ever been accused of the numbers being too high…

  33. The whole arrangement with Amazon is a product of greed. More money, more money, more money = more player injuries, disgruntled fans that refuse to, or can’t, pay for streaming and an oversaturated market.
    The NFL is on an incredible high right now but history shows that nothing lasts forever. Remember when boxing was huge (quick – name any current title holders in any weight class)? Remember when baseball was huge? Scandals (looking at you Deshaun Watson, Cleveland Browns) and greed will be problems for the NFL going forward.

  34. I watched last week, not watching tonight. Prime is a definite downgrade from the cable experience. I’ll record the replay on NFLN.

  35. And if Amazon would of released these numbers from their own tracking the story would be can we trust Amazon self reporting? Why didn’t Amazon have a outside firm verify their numbers? Damned either way.

  36. Tonight’s Steelers/Browns game will be on local TV in Western Penn and the Cleveland area. Both have a very strong local fan-base.Those locals will be watching on TV, not Amazon.It really doesn’t matter if the rest of the country watches or not, but watching the after-math implosion in Cleveland after they get thumped by the Steelers, again, will be well worth the price of admission. It’ll be Glorious.

  37. I don’t know one soul who has subscribed to Amazon Prime TV to watch either of their Thursday Night games. Not one !! I’ll say the majority of these viewer numbers are coming from the mandatory showing of these Thursday games in the local markets.

  38. I think that Amazon’s viewership will depend on the match-ups. It will be interesting to compare the numbers of the Browns-Steelers game to last week’s Chargers-Chiefs game. One of these games is far more attractive than the other.

  39. I have Amazon prime so I am able to watch it. Even so, this is still a stupid idea by the NFL. Why try to force people into a streaming service to watch. The NFL does not give a damn about what fans want.

  40. I assume Amazon realizes the league would not necessarily trust the numbers if they were self reported. Makes sense to let Neilson put an objective eye on it. This is not at all abnormal in any industry, there are always companies out there with the sole job of verifying claims other companies are making.

  41. A couple of things here…

    Assuming Amazon had the RAW data on viewership immediately, it would still need to be transformed to be readable. You could assume that Amazon had an interface setup already that the raw data fed into, which absolutely could be the case. Now, assuming that they have this data and it’s been transformed immediately – Can Nielsen just trust this and report it?

    Additionally, Amazon cannot just hand over RAW data to an outside company. NDAs aside, it exposes Amazon (an already privacy criticized company) to a breach concerning customer data. It has to be scrubbed to anonymize it while also providing enough information for Nielsen to be able to verify/validate it.

    All of this takes time. Depending on the priority of the project, and the number of resources assigned – *shrug*

  42. Plenty of problems with these numbers. National chain restaurants and bars were not showing the game yet as this was the first week with Amazon solo. Some just didn’t convert to streaming and there were no commercial guidelines on capacity numbers like Directv has had in the past. See how this works moving forward as there were network issues and constant buffering on struggling wifi systems.

  43. Look the NFL put the package out for bid and Amazon won. What that means is that till the end of the decade the NFL has a guaranteed income stream and executives at Amazon have to scramble to prove their revenue projections pan out (or hope that their golden parachutes are very good).

    Since this is included in Prime the only two ways to increase revenue are (1) Increase Prime subscriptions (which will never cover a billion dollars) and (2) Convince advertisers that they should pony up big bucks to advertise.

    So are the numbers “played” with, probably, Amazon is not a company with integrity by any stretch of the definition. But are they doing anything big business hasn’t been doing for decades, nope.

    So if you want to watch the games, watch them, if you don’t, don’t.

    The only people on the hook here is Amazon, it’s their money on the line.

    And personally, if they lose a billion dollars a year on this I’m not going to shed one tear over it.

  44. This is part of the big plan to eliminate free NFL games on network TV. Player salaries and commissioner salary are getting us to this point and advertising alone won’t do it. This should not surprise anyone. Interesting if you think that we have to pay for cable TV, and now we have to pay for things within cable TV. More layers coming…

  45. If you don’t want to pay for Prime, the NFL Network replays the game later and the next day (so record it).

  46. 13 million viewers? One of the difficulties in measuring the audience is that streaming tends to be more of a solitary activity than cable or broadcast viewing, so the average viewers per screen/device is probably a little lower for streaming, and the only thing that can be measured is the number of internet-enabled devices streaming data. I haven’t seen the device number. Amazon could cook the books by overestimating how many members of Amazon Prime households are actually watching. If Fox reported 13 mil. viewers last year, I suspect Amazon will average about 10 mil. this year.

  47. It was horrible. The only good thing about it was that Michael Irwin wasn’t involved thank God.

  48. LOL at all of the rural Boomers that think streaming isn’t “good enough” to broadcast an NFL game. I’ve been streaming everything from Amazon Prime to Netflix (and everything else in between) for the past decade without an issue. I currently have an internet speed of more than 500 mbps and I’ve had a speed greater than 100 mbps since 2015, which is more than fast enough to stream a program (generally around 15 mbps for 4K).

    Streaming is the present and the future. In 2022, it’s a fact that more people stream than watch via cable. And Amazon Prime has never been anything other than flawless.

  49. It’s 2022 and streaming still doesn’t work screw that junk just do it the old fashion way because it works .

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