Bill Belichick geeks out over football history as Patriots travel to Green Bay

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick has a reputation for only grumbling out a few words when asked questions by the media, but he can be the most articulate coach in the NFL when asked about a topic he enjoys talking about. And there are few topics Belichick enjoys talking about more than the history of football.

So with the Patriots traveling to Green Bay to take on the Packers on Sunday, Belichick delivered a long lecture about the Packers’ place in football history at his press conference on Friday.

“I talked about this Wednesday, but I had a chance to show the team some of the great Packer players, coaches, [Curly] Lambeau, so we all know who Lambeau is. Saw him on the sideline. [Clarke] Hinkle, [Cecil] Isbell, [Don] Hutson, great,” Belichick said. “Some of the great players there. Just connecting the dots a little bit there. Lot of tradition there, lot of tradition going into Lambeau. Seeing those names up on the stadium.”

Belichick talked about enjoying seeing the Lambeau Field scoreboard when he watches Packers film.

“When you watch film, and they play at home, which they did against the Bears, right? But, plenty of other games to watch. Every time they show the scoreboard, there’s Hutson, right? There’s [Vince] Lombardi. There’s Lambeau. You see the names literally after every play, or actually, before every play,” Belichick said. “Before every play on the scoreboard shot. Some of our players, honestly, they don’t know who some of these people are. I mean, this is 80 years ago or more. I mean, Lambeau started in what, 1921? About 100 years for him. Now he was there, what, 25 years? Mid 40s? I forget what his last year was, but somewhere in there. But, I’m just saying, it’s just kind of, you see a lot of names, you see them on the stadium, see everybody talking about them. The stadium’s named after him. Who is he? Who’s Hutson? Bear Bryant, Hutson, Lambeau, [Knute] Rockne, Notre Dame. I think there’s a lot that these players and coaches, I’ve talked to the coaches about it too, you know, ‘I’ve heard about it, where is this all kind of connected?’ It’s all kind of interesting.”

Belichick then showed a detailed knowledge of the Xs and Os of Curly Lambeau’s offenses, and how Lambeau shifted from a power running offense to the NFL’s best passing offense.

“Lambeau took the Notre Dame box, which was a shift in the backfield, power football, nobody ever split out, power play after power play after power play. That’s what it was and then he got Hutson. Then he got Isbell and then he got Hinkle and then he very quickly became ‘Air Lambeau.’ Split Hutson out, you never saw that. So they actually had a split receiver, actually ran pass patterns, pass routes. Isbell was a, like they all were, quarterback-tailbacks, but he could throw. I mean, this guy was a tremendous passer and the Isbell-Hutson connection was a good one, a very good one. I mean, the best in football. Then they got Hinkle, and Hinkle was a great runner. Not that Isbell couldn’t run, but not like Hinkle could. Then it became sort of, Isbell could throw, Hinkle could run and so it was the T from the single-wing, right? Instead of handing the ball from the T-formation, they handed it off from the single-wing formation. Isbell ran occasionally, but most of the time it was Hinkle, and then when they wanted to throw, it was Isbell throwing to primarily Hutson, but whoever.”

Next, Belichick explained how Hutson was such a great player coming out of Alabama that two NFL teams signed him, resulting in the NFL commissioner having to determine which team had submitted its contract first. The NFL implemented the draft after that to determine how college players would be allocated.

“And then the whole Hutson and the draft story, like that’s another tremendous story,” Belichick said. “The whole NFL draft really is a result of the Hutson situation. Which of course all these guys were drafted, or were involved in the draft, every single one of them. Why do we have a draft? Hutson. That’s why we have a draft. We’ve got post mark, postage stamps and letters. Is he a Giant? Is he a Packer? Is he a Giant? Is he a Packer? Alright, he’s a Packer. Betting on him was probably worth it. Greatest receiver in the history of football and certainly in that era. I’m sure he still has a pretty major role in all of the NFL history stats. That’s always kind of fun to look back on it.”

Belichick talked about his first time seeing the Packers in person, and then explained the Packers’ history of playing in both Green Bay and Milwaukee.

“Yeah, preseason game. No actually that was in Milwaukee when I was with the Lions. I actually went there and scouted them,” Belichick recalled. “So it was two games in Milwaukee. If I have this right, it was two games in Milwaukee, and six games in Green Bay, or five games in Green Bay back in the 14-game season. Something like that. In Milwaukee, of course you had both teams at center field. The whole baseball setup. Which was fairly common back in those days. Now you had the other baseball stadiums like Memorial Stadium in Baltimore, or Cleveland Municipal Stadium where teams were on opposite sides. But like here in Fenway, Minnesota and Milwaukee. We had both teams on the same sideline. Again, that was another thing we saw today. That was a look at it, it was actually a game in Detroit. But it’s like why are both teams on the same side of the field? But that was baseball stadiums. But it’s quite, honestly it’s quite a scene there. The whole, the community, it’s kind of in a residential area. Then all of a sudden the stadium just like pops out in the middle of nowhere and here you are. That’s Green Bay. But the fact that they played two games away from Green Bay for however many years they did that, it was quite a few, in Milwaukee. It’s really a state team. See all the cheeseheads. It’s great.”

None of that history will matter much to the Patriots on Sunday, but Belichick said he spent time making sure the Patriots’ players and coaches knew that history this week, as he sees the history of the game as something everyone in the NFL should know.

89 responses to “Bill Belichick geeks out over football history as Patriots travel to Green Bay

  1. Just a cheater and Jeff Fisher clone without Brady, there is no debate among anyone who knows anything about football.

  2. Day by day by day 😂

    I expect Coach BB to call it a wrap on his coaching career very soon and after that the league really needs to hire this guy in some role and put him on tv.. or create a role for him. Maybe NFL films or something.

  3. He’s right, Hutson basically discovered the forward pass, in the same way Babe Ruth discovered the home run, both were totally paradigm-shifting players who completely changed how their respective sports were played. But while everyone knows who Ruth was, a century later, even with baseball’s huge decline in popularity, somehow, despite being the country’s favorite sport, most modern NFL fans seem totally ignorant of Hutson’s rightful place in history. Love Belichick’s keen awareness of the game’s past.

  4. And then there are guys like Rex Ryan who loved to talk about the history of his wifes feet…. Yea makes you wonder

  5. This generation doesn’t wanna hear history coach but nice work and thanks for not changing in 45+ years in the NFL. This man never let fame and money get in the way of the game of football. GOAT!!!!

  6. Belichick is a great historian of the NFL but really great historians include the social and cultural implications in their analysis. None of the four great old-time Packers he mentions were black because the game, like all American sports, either banned or limited the participation of black athletes for much of its history. It struck me when reading this that Bill’s players are dominated by black athletes had to be cognizant of that fact.

    We have our democracy at risk because the entrenched dominate culture feels it is being replaced and that insecurity is stoked by politicians for personal gain. The theory goes that inferior individuals, of different races and religions, are being given America. Hogwash. The NFL player is a great example of a meritocracy and it is dominated by black athletes. The coaching ranks are slowly accepting an increase in black coaches but ownership is the racial firewall.

    Similar industries (music and entertainment) that promote true meritocracy see similar increases in the participation of minorities. It’s not incidental that a political party that pushes replacement theory promote form over substance figures like Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker while the other promotes Barack Obama and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

    I admire Bill, who has often speeks eloquently of the great black athletes, including his testament to Vince Wilfork this week and Jim Brown in the past. It’s time for Bill to explain why he turned own the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the risk to the democracy he loves.

  7. Bill is a wealth of knowledge when you get on any football topic other than prying into Patriot information.

    Packer fans, whether they like Bill or not, should love this excerpt.

  8. He knows that he has to be nice to media now, because he is about to be exposed as a below average HC without Tom Brady.

  9. I find it fascinating that its literally impossible in our society to have any real level of interest in any given subject without that interest being considered a pejorative and described thusly.

  10. He nailed it. It is something unique and special. The atmosphere is tangible and worth it. I’m just thankful so many fans were able to see and experience Lambeau while it grew and evolved to present day. There was nothing like it during the Lombardi and Starr years. It’s all changed (for me) now that a purposely deceptive and privileged liar and an aw-shucks double-talking welfare cheat are in the Packer news everyday. I’d like to see Jordan Love under-center, starting now. Fade to black.

  11. I can’t wait for this guy to get his own show when he is done coaching. I totally get the hate for him. But there is probably no one alive that who has the encyclopedic knowledge of football that Belichick does.

  12. Bill clearly respects the Packers history and how this team helped shape what the NFL is today. 13 world championships is truly something for us all to admire.

  13. Possibly the greatest historian of pro football alive. 99% or more of the players probably don’t know any of it, but nice that someone does. His dad obviously taught him about a lot of it that predates him.

  14. Belichick is a must listen always he knows his football

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    He didn’t know that he was a product of Brady and he didn’t know it would be a disaster for Cam Newton.

  15. This kind of football history talk is like gold. As a Philadelphian, I’ve been blessed to be able to hear Ray Didinger talk like this for years. He just retired so I’m going through withdrawal. In the Two Bills documentary, BB gets misty eyed about football history. It’s great viewing.

  16. A lecture on football history from someone that knows so much about it will only be of value and interest to those that are truly interested in the game itself.

    The rest will just get personally triggered at so much as even seeing Belichicks name and their interest will instead be on writing snarky comments. Many of the snarkers will not even have read the info on football history because the game itself it’s just not interesting to them.

  17. Many of the snarkers will not even have read the info on football history because the game itself it’s just not interesting to them.

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    Exactly, how many of his believers know how hard it is to score 24+ in back to back playoff games, especially with the squad given by the garbage?

  18. The history of football cannot be told without a full chapter on the Green Bay Packers. I’m glad to see that the Cheater in Chief for the Patriots has an appreciation for the legacy in Green Bay because he has done precious little to preserve the integrity of the game himself.

  19. As crappy as Belichicks drafting skills are his knowledge of the game is unmatched. I fear however that this may be one of the last seasons we see him as head coach before Kraft pulls the plug and starts a hard rebuild.

  20. The only history todays players are interested in is what the contract numbers of players at their position was when they signed so they can get more.

  21. There is no denying Belichick is the greatest coach of this era, and arguably of all-time.

    I wonder if he has the patience for the booth/pregame shows? Probably not. But his takes would be fun to hear, if he went unfiltered.

  22. I’d say that Gil Brandt would be right there with Belichick in terms of NFL history knowledge. And it would be interesting to hear Brandt’s viewpoint comparing Belichick and Tom Landry. From 1966 to 1985 with Landry and 2001 to 2018 with Belichick. Many similarities for those 2 time periods regarding those 2 coaches and their respective franchises.

  23. Great read. I understand why fans in other cities dislike the Packers and their fans, but it’s an amazing thing they have remained and thrived. As a guy who grew up in the area, it’s been a source of great joy.

  24. William Lee, why so rude when this is just Bill talking about football history? You always make it about yourself.

  25. Bill is right, Hutson is the greatest receiver of all time. Changed the game. A century ahead of everyone else.

  26. He has so much love & respect for the game. He’s not only one of the greatest coaches we’ve seen, but also one of the most interesting. When people can actually get him to talk, it can be riveting.

  27. Belichick singlehandedly drove away the greatest quarterback of all time and drafted a number of busts, such as N’Keal Harry and Ryan Mallet. And he traded for Mohamed Sanu and refused to re-sign Danny Amendola. Bil isn’t the greatest coach ever. He’s not even close. He will retire with a losing record without Brady.

  28. At least he’s enjoying his final go around. Steven Kraft is in charge now, and he’s seen enough of Little Bill. They’ll tell him he has to hire a GM and OC, and he’ll refuse and resign. Then they’ll pretend it was mutual.

  29. He’s certainly not the first legendary player or coach to get caught up in the mystique of historic Lambeau Field, and he undoubtedly won’t be the last.
    Enjoy the weekend, Bill.

  30. There are few greater joys in life than listening to Belichick talk actual football (not the inane questions he has to answer at press conferences).

  31. William Lee, why so rude when this is just Bill talking about football history? You always make it about yourself.

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    Tell me why he pushed OC job to Patricia if he invented the offense system Brady played in, and he developed Brady and other players for the system.

  32. I get the feeling if Bill hadn’t become a Football coach he would have been a great history Professor. I’m not a New England fan by any measure but I do admire Coach B.

  33. The “greatest QB of all time” couldn’t beat out Drew Henson and Brian Griese and almost went undrafted prior to Belichick. Make that make sense for me.

  34. jameshodges says:
    October 1, 2022 at 1:15 pm
    Belichick singlehandedly drove away the greatest quarterback of all time
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    That would be hard to do since Joe Montana has been retired for years. He drove away the only QB in the history of the NFL to be suspended for cheating. It’s no loss at all as far as I’m concerned.

  35. The “greatest QB of all time” couldn’t beat out Drew Henson and Brian Griese and almost went undrafted prior to Belichick. Make that make sense for me.

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    But it makes sense to you that an almost fired coach of defensive mind suddenly invented an offense system that no other QB and no other coaches could learn, even after 20 years? Guess Belichick must be hit by lighting on the night of Sept 23rd 2001.

  36. Montana never won another super bowl after leaving the 49ers. And the Patriots don’t become a dynasty without Bledsoe getting injured. It’s almost like the system was always Brady.

  37. The last place patriots are an irrelevant joke team because everything they ever were was because of Tom Brady, who the ungrateful spoiled boston fans never deserved.

    The patriots have only ever been a bottom feeder without Brady, belichick’s hand picked roster is a terrible collection of draft busts and replacement level FAs on massive deals.

    All of this was obvious to everyone who knows anything about football before the season.

  38. It’s almost like the system was always Brady.

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    Brady was always the DIFFERENCE. The team by Belichick wouldn’t have won a single SB with ANY other QB, because no other QB would be able to deliver top offense (9 straight seasons of top 4 offense) year after year and score 24+ in back to back playoff games with the CHEAP squad given by Belichick.

    As the defense was worse than Packers defense ON TOTAL YARDS ALLOWED, it is easy to see how much the defense benefitted from Brady’s “slow” and “boring” offense. The defense would drop 5 spots at least with Peyton’s or Rodgers’s high flying offenses.

  39. ehsteve says:
    October 1, 2022 at 1:49 pm
    There are few greater joys in life than listening to Belichick talk actual football (not the inane questions he has to answer at press conferences).

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    You can’t be serious.

  40. When Lambeau went through its First major remodeling project in 2003,.. the exterior design was a vision of the Notre Dame Stadium. Local taxpayeers helped with that one,.. but every other remodel since then the Packers have paid the tab.
    Bill Belichick would have had a great time discussing NFL history if the Packers PR Director Lee Remmel were still around. He saw it all.

  41. jameshodges says:
    October 1, 2022 at 3:41 pm
    Montana never won another super bowl after leaving the 49ers. And the Patriots don’t become a dynasty without Bledsoe getting injured
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    Montana was way more clutch than Brady ever was in a Super Bowl. 120 rating to 90 rating in the Super Bowl or something like that. Literally 0 ints. Single-handedly dominated the #1 defense in the league. That 55 points could have been 70 if he wasn’t pulled from the game. Nuff said. Montana won Super Bowls for his team. Brady’s team won them for him. Take away Montana and the 49ers don’t win. Take away Brady and the Patriots and Bucs very likely still win. I mean it wasn’t Tommy that held Mahomes to 9 points last time. Huge difference.

    Montana is GOAT not Tommy.

  42. Sorry, Don Hutson is not the greatest receiver of all-time and Belichick didn’t say he was.

    Patriots fans appreciate that Belichick likes to blow smoke up the backsides of opposing players pre-game but this is one of the first times I have seen him do it to a fan base with such success.

    Normally Patriots fans, myself included, that praise Belichick’s football acumen, his strategic approach, in-game adjustments, and his ability to put the cast offs of other teams in a position to excel are voraciously attacked by Brady Bros and Patriots haters.

    And, yes, Brady will ask Belichick to make his HOF introduction speech because Brady is a sharp guy and it will be a speech for the ages.

  43. I am sure Montana wouldn’t have blown a chance to finish 19-0 like Tommy did. Sorry fan club 😢

  44. My bad, I meant Jonathan Kraft. Ask anyone in the building, Jonathan took over the reins several years ago. And like most people who know him, he hates BB.

  45. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 1, 2022 at 4:11 pm
    I am sure Montana wouldn’t have blown a chance to finish 19-0 like Tommy did. Sorry fan club

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    He would if he had BB’s defense. Brady gave them a 4 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go…..and BB’s defense choked it away

  46. Montana isn’t the greatest because he retired with only four super bowl wins and three super bowl MVPs. Not to mention, he led the league in touchdown passes just two times. I’d argue that he was a product of Bill Walsh. On the other hand, Brady has everything.

  47. If Montana was the GOAT(he’s not) how was Steve Young able to go out 2 years later, lead the 49ers to 49 points in the Super Bowl, while throwing 6 TD passes and putting up a 135 rating. I guess you can throw any QB out there with that system, coaching and cast of great players.

  48. Additionally, Brady has already proven that he can win a super bowl with any coach. Taking Montana over Tom because he never lost a super bowl would be like picking Eli over Peyton. Rex Ryan brought the Jets to the AFC championship with Mark Sanchez. Let that sink in for a minute. It’s one reason of many why I think Belichick is overrated without Tom.

  49. Why didn’t Brady’s system work before Belichick? Why didn’t Brady turn Lloyd Carr into another GOAT like he supposedly did Belichick?

  50. Why didn’t Brady’s system work before Belichick? Why didn’t Brady turn Lloyd Carr into another GOAT like he supposedly did Belichick?

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    Because Brady’s skills were meaningless against lousy defense, like the defenses in college.

    If all the NFL defenses had been like those in college, MVP QB would have similar successes in playoff like college QB did.

  51. Brady’s system already worked before Belichick. He helped Michigan win the 2000 Orange Bowl. Tom brought the Wolverines back from 14 points to win in overtime. If those other college quarterbacks were so great, why didn’t they dominate the NFL?

  52. The team that Brady won orange bowl with went undefeated with Brian Griese and won a national championship. They in fact underachieved with Brady at the helm. If Brady at Michigan showed any traces of what Brady became in the NFL, he would not have been the 199th overall pick. He wasn’t that QB before Belichick.

  53. nhpats2011 says:
    October 1, 2022 at 4:35 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    October 1, 2022 at 4:11 pm
    I am sure Montana wouldn’t have blown a chance to finish 19-0 like Tommy did. Sorry fan club

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    He would if he had BB’s defense. Brady gave them a 4 point lead with less than 2 minutes to go…..and BB’s defense choked it away
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    Can’t blame that one on the defense man. That was the greatest offense in the history of pro football and still is…and they managed just 14 points when it mattered most.

    I think too many Patriots fans also overrate that Giants defense. They were not the 86 Bears they were the 17th scoring d in the league. If Brady played well they would have scored a lot of points. He didn’t and they lost.

    If Tommy is gonna mouth off to the other team in public he needed to do a better job of backing up his talk.

    Both Giants losses were on the offense. 100%.

  54. I’d argue that he was a product of Bill Walsh
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    Bill Walsh is a .425 coach without Montana.

    I’d take Joe Cool over Brady anyday if I needed to win a big game.

  55. Can’t blame that one on the defense man. That was the greatest offense in the history of pro football and still is…and they managed just 14 points when it mattered most.

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    The “greatest” offense depended on big plays, actually all “great” offense that produced MVP QB depended on big plays.

    Such offense is meaningless when QB doesn’t even have 2.5 seconds in pocket against FOUR pass rushers. BTW, Gronk was injured in AFCCG before 2nd meeing, do you know it?

    BTW, the two games also proved that Belichick was not a genius, because his defense couldn’t be relied on when games were on the line. His defense was worse than lot of playoff defenses, like Bengals defense. It had nothing to do how Brady and offense played.

  56. jameshodges says:
    October 1, 2022 at 4:53 pm
    Additionally, Brady has already proven that he can win a super bowl with any coach. Taking Montana over Tom because he never lost a super bowl would be like picking Eli over Peyton. Rex Ryan brought the Jets to the AFC championship with Mark Sanchez. Let that sink in for a minute. It’s one reason of many why I think Belichick is overrated without Tom.

    45Rate This

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    Let it sink in? Brady looked like a deer in the headlights in the playoff game va the Jets and was awful again with a horrendous INT on the opening drive as the RBs were shredding their overratee D. He threw it into triple coverage.

    Brady’s preferred shotgun spread preference throwing 45+ times and wildly throwing awful picks was the problem BB fixed for the fans.

    After the 2nd Giants sb debacle, BB drafted Garoppolo in Rd 2.

    It’s all of you people were in a coma, have bad memories or are 12 years old and didn’t see what happened.

    His postseasons from 2007-2012 were awful. Brady, fixated on Gisellle’s demands, is why BB drafted Garoppolo.

    You selecting which info to leavw in and whatever else to take out means you are creepy and disingenuous.

  57. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 1, 2022 at 4:03 pm
    jameshodges says:
    October 1, 2022 at 3:41 pm
    Montana never won another super bowl after leaving the 49ers. And the Patriots don’t become a dynasty without Bledsoe getting injured
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    Montana was way more clutch than Brady ever was in a Super Bowl. 120 rating to 90 rating in the Super Bowl or something like that. Literally 0 ints. Single-handedly dominated the #1 defense in the league. That 55 points could have been 70 if he wasn’t pulled from the game. Nuff said. Montana won Super Bowls for his team. Brady’s team won them for him. Take away Montana and the 49ers don’t win. Take away Brady and the Patriots and Bucs very likely still win. I mean it wasn’t Tommy that held Mahomes to 9 points last time. Huge difference.

    Montana is GOAT not Tommy.

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    Nice try. Just insert Steve Young, and they win those Super Bowls. It was the West Coast Offense. It was a system. He was a System Quarterback. How do you like that?
    Brady did it in the salary cap era with a constantly changing cast of characters. He leads just about every passing category and has by far the most wins, playoff wins, conference championships, Super Bowl Championships, and led countless game winning drives, not to mention the only OT game in Super Bowl History, a game where his team was down 28-3 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd Qtr. I saw Joe Montana lose plenty of playoff games. There were 7 seasons where he failed to reach the Conference Championship Game because he lost. He has 16 playoff wins in San Fran and KC. He crapped out more than he made it to the big game. He had 7 playoff losses and you only get one per season. You roll up 3-4 wins when you win the Super Bowl. Tom is 35-12. Tom has had more than 2 HOF careers. It’s not even close. What you are saying is so 2011. Put Joe out there with todays athletes and the salary cap, and he’d be Jimmy Garappolo. If I need to win one game for the survival of the planet, I’m taking Prime TB12 over Prime Joe Montana six ways to Sunday. Joe was great. Tom became greater.

  58. If Joe Montana were playing today, he’d be putting up Madden video-game numbers. Some of you youngsters might be wise to go to your YouTube and go back 30-35 years and watch how the game was supposed to be played. Yeah, yeah..And get off my lawn.

  59. If Joe Montana were playing today, he’d be putting up Madden video-game numbers.

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    That is not something you should expect under Belichick, because he won’t give his great WR who are great at getting behind defenders.

  60. Brady’s preferred shotgun spread preference throwing 45+ times and wildly throwing awful picks was the problem BB fixed for the fans.

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    Please tell us exactly how he fixed it and why he couldn’t fix it for Mac Jones.

  61. I am sure Montana wouldn’t have blown a chance to finish 19-0 like Tommy did. Sorry fan club 😢
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    Because he never had the chance. Try harder.

  62. Once you see a William Lee post you just know the whole comment section is going downhill

  63. Nice try. Just insert Steve Young, and they win those Super Bowls.
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    Young was 1-3 against the Packers in the postseason. 1-2 against the Cowboys. 1-3 in NFC Title Games.

    He was no Montana.

  64. My respect for Belichick went way up when he turned down the Medal of Freedom due expressly to the unpatriotic insurrection and riot of January 6th. This message and other constant resistance to The Big Lie must continue. Thank you Bill.

  65. Bill has the personallity of a cinder block, but the dude knows his sport. If he was on the market every fan base would be screaming for him to come and coach. Fake haters

  66. Once you see a William Lee post you just know the whole comment section is going downhill

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    Tell me : if he had invented the system Brady played in, had developed Brady and players for the system. Why didn’t he take over the job of calling plays for offense?

    The FACT that he pushed the job to other LOGICALLY proved that he shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve. That is nothing his believers can argue about it.

  67. Tell me : if he had invented the system Brady played in, had developed Brady and players for the system. Why didn’t he take over the job of calling plays for offense?
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    You have been forced to admit you don’t even know what the system is, or who invented it.

    It was invented LONG before Brady played a down, and has won Super Bowls for multiple HOFrs and franchises over the last 30 years.

  68. I think too many Patriots fans also overrate that Giants defense. They were not the 86 Bears they were the 17th scoring d in the league. If Brady played well they would have scored a lot of points. He didn’t and they lost.
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    Those 2 Giant teams are arguably the worst in Super Bowl history.

    Losing to them is almost as embarrassing as losing to Butt Fumble and Foot Fetish.

  69. You have been forced to admit you don’t even know what the system is, or who invented it.

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    Pats QB coach opens up about Newton’s recent struggles

    “There’s clearly some times that we haven’t pulled the trigger fast enough and therefore we’re hitching a couple extra times or holding onto the ball a little bit longer than we would like to, and that kind of can cause many things,” Fisch said. “It (a little big longer) can cause a negative play, a sack, an interception, an incompletion, a late throw.”

    When you saw Pats cheap receivers wide open, it never occurred to you that it was because of the TIME Brady threw the balls, did it?

  70. It’s over Tommy. It’s over! says:
    October 2, 2022 at 5:14 pm
    I think too many Patriots fans also overrate that Giants defense. They were not the 86 Bears they were the 17th scoring d in the league. If Brady played well they would have scored a lot of points. He didn’t and they lost.
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    Those 2 Giant teams are arguably the worst in Super Bowl history.
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    Yep. Especially 2011 the only team with a negative point differential to win it all. Tommy the so called Goat was a complete trash pile against one of the worst pass defenses in the league lolololol

    But it’s the defense’s fault or something. Always is. Funny how that works.

  71. Those 2 Giant teams are arguably the worst in Super Bowl history.

    Losing to them is almost as embarrassing as losing to Butt Fumble and Foot Fetish.

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    Well, given that the O-Line given the “genius” couldn’t hold even 2.5 seconds against 4 pass rushers and the defense of the “genius” couldn’t hold such bad teams in last 2 minutes. We all saw how pathetic the defense of the “best defensive mind” was. Don’t you think?

    BTW, Brady was injured in AFCCG before 1st meeting, Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd meeting.

  72. Sorry, Don Hutson is not the greatest receiver of all-time and Belichick didn’t say he was.
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    Hutson is the Babe Ruth of football. 1 out of every 5.3 touches was a touchdown.

    Lenny Moore and Jim Brown are only other players before the Merger to score 100+ tds. Moore had 1432 touches. Brown had 2621.

  73. When you saw Pats cheap receivers wide open, it never occurred to you that it was because of the TIME Brady threw the balls, did it?
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    Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger won Titles in Bradys system. So how great can he be?

  74. BTW, Brady was injured in AFCCG before 1st meeting, Gronk was injured in AFCCG before the 2nd meeting.
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    The whambulance is on the way….

  75. Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger won Titles in Bradys system. So how great can he be?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No other QB in NFL history was able to produce top offense (and score 24+ in back to back playoff games) BY THROWING TO WR IN FRONT OF DEFENDERS.

    Defenders love to KEEP BALLS IN FRONT OF THEM, what defenders love to do is what makes the life for QB harder.

    Under Belichick, QB HAD NO CHOCIE but throwing to WR in front of defenders, because he was cheap, and being cheap is not a system.

  76. That is not something you should expect under Belichick, because he won’t give his great WR who are great at getting behind defenders.
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    There was this guy named Randy Moss.

    In my lifetime, I’ve never seen anyone who was better at getting behind defenders.

  77. Brady never won anything with his 2 best offenses.

    589 points, 2007 (still #2 all-time)
    557 points, 2012 (#5 all-time)

    Those Giant teams weren’t good, as discussed. The Ravens loss in 2012 was one of Bradys worst Playoff games.

    Its just DRENCHED in irony.

  78. There was this guy named Randy Moss.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    That is two seasons only, and the O-line he gave to Brady couldn’t hold 2.5 seconds against FOUR pass rushers. What is the meaning of having a great WR but QB doesn’t even have 2.5 seconds in pocket?

    BTW, haven’t you seen how Rodgers struggled with Davante Adam? The team he had now is way better than Brady had before 2007.

  79. BTW, haven’t you seen how Rodgers struggled with Davante Adam?
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    Did you miss that he won back-to-back MVPs after they canned ignoramous McCarthy?

    Did you miss that Rodgers turned Adams into the highest paid WR in NFL history?

  80. The team he had now is way better than Brady had before 2007.
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    THIS offense? you can’t be serious?

    Rodgers has played with 1 top 5 D. Winning his only Super Bowl.

    2003 Patriots – #1 defense (only 2 more points allowed than Belichicks ’86 Giants)
    2004 Patriots – #2 defense

    No surprise why Brady won those Super Bowls.

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