Bill Belichick ties George Halas on all-time wins list, Patriots beat Browns 38-15

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Make way, George Halas, there’s a coach who’s tied you.

The Patriots defeated the Browns 38-15 on Sunday, with New England having little trouble against the the team that Bill Belichick led as head coach from 1991-1995.

In many ways, that makes the milestone Belichick reached with the win that much more poetic. With his 324th victory — regular and postseason — Belichick tied George Halas at No. 2 for most wins all time by a head coach.

Belichick recorded 37 of his victories with Cleveland, the first of which coincidentally came over New England in 1991. The other 317 have come with New England since 2000.

Don Shula is No. 1 on the all-time list with 347.

This win also came with third-string quarterback Bailey Zappe starting the game and playing well. While Zappe did have a giveaway on a strip-sack, he finished 24-of-34 for 309 yards with a pair of touchdowns.

Zappe threw his first TD in the third quarter, hitting fellow rookie Tyquan Thornton for a 2-yard score. He then hit tight end Hunter Henry for a 31-yard touchdown with 5:32 left in the period.

While Browns quarterback Jacoby Brissett has mostly filled in admirably as Cleveland’s QB during Deshaun Watson’s 11-game suspension, Brissett did not play well on Sunday. He finished 21-of-45 for 266 yards with one touchdown and a pair of interceptions.

The Browns did make a fourth-quarter run, with Brissett hitting receiver Amari Cooper with a 14-yard score with just over six minutes left in the contest. But an onside kick attempt became unsuccessful when a Cleveland player touched the ball with a foot out of bounds.

Then the Browns muffed a punt, which led to Thornton’s second touchdown of the game — a 19-yard run. And Brissett fumbled on the next possession, which led to a 6-yard touchdown for running back Rhamondre Stevenson.

If there was one negative for the Patriots, it’s that kicker Nick Folk finally missed a field goal from under 50 yards. He pushed a 45-yard try wide right in the fourth quarter.

Now at 2-4, the Browns will be on the road to face the Ravens next Sunday.

The 3-3 Patriots will host the 2-4 Bears on Monday night in Week Seven.

117 responses to “Bill Belichick ties George Halas on all-time wins list, Patriots beat Browns 38-15

  1. Slow your roll Zappe-heads. There’s nothing that this guy did today that Jones can’t do and Jones is better in every way.

    There is no controversy.

  2. Zappe sees the field better than Jones, ball goes to the open man and keeps everyone involved. Didn’t make stupid mistakes either.

  3. How many of those were without Brady, or video taping walkthroughs and sidelines?

  4. The Brown’s are the most dysfunctional team in all of sports they have the Worst Owner, Head Coach and the entire coaching staff. They are an embarrassment to all pro sport teams, I honestly believe that the players have shown a No Confidence to the coach just watching the players faces on the sidelines they couldn’t care less that they were losing.

  5. Good win. There is still a lot to work on, but the rebuild is going well in all areas of the team and the future looks good.

  6. What is the actual reason that so many fans here dislike Zappe, don’t feel he’s capable of NFL play?

  7. bradyownsyou says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:26 pm
    And … we have a QB controversy in NE

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    Only to those that want one.

  8. bradyownsyou says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:26 pm
    And … we have a QB controversy in NE.
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    Wrong.

  9. Jacoby Brissett gave the game away to the Pats. Bailey Zappe did nothing until Brissett turned the ball over just as I thought he would. Shut down the Browns run game shut down the Browns. Bailey Zappe did better in the second half after the Browns sold out to stop Stevenson. The next 3 or 4 games for the Pats are all winnable. The Pats are not out of the race just yet.

  10. scott1560 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:32 pm
    What is the actual reason that so many fans here dislike Zappe, don’t feel he’s capable of NFL play?

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    Just because someone knows that this QB controversy talk is for morons does not mean that they hate Zappe.

  11. The story of this game was the defense not the fictional QB controversy.

    Shutting down Chubb was impressive. Davis really stepped up. Didn’t see it coming.

  12. “What is the actual reason that so many fans here dislike Zappe, don’t feel he’s capable of NFL play?”

    I haven’t seen this. I see more support for Zappe than Jones.

  13. The Browns, both on and off the field, have been an embarrassment for the past 23 years. The storied franchise that gave me so many happy memories, that ran through the blood of Cleveland people, moved to Baltimore and the current team has brought us nothing but shame. I wish they had never come back.

  14. Football says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:36 pm
    scott1560 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:32 pm
    What is the actual reason that so many fans here dislike Zappe, don’t feel he’s capable of NFL play?

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    Just because someone knows that this QB controversy talk is for morons does not mean that they hate Zappe.
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    This!

  15. Brutal game for Browns fans. No supply chain issues at The Factory of Sadness

  16. Nothing would be SWEETER, than rubbing in a patriots win over my wife’s Bears. (She’s a Chicagoan).

    Side note to todays game. Was Cleveland’s secondary drunk?! We had 10/15 yard gaps in the secondary for the chunk plays. What a joke.

    Also: GO GUARDIANS YANKEES SUCK 😁😉

  17. In the HOODIE we trust! Congrats on a great team win and a total beatdown of the sorry Browns. Couldnt happen to a nicer org. Factory of sadness is ALWAYS open 24/7

  18. In the HOODIE we trust! Congrats on a great team win and a total beatdown of the sorry Browns. Couldnt happen to a nicer org. Factory of sadness is ALWAYS open 24/7

  19. Belichick playing chess while opposing teams play checkers!
    Zappe needs to be the starter from here on out!

  20. Rebuilding can be painful, but for some reason (could it possibly be that the reason is he’s the greatest ever) Belichick seems to simply make it look easy. Of course it’s gonna be painful at times, but not as painful as being a Dolphins fan. Oh the truth hurts

  21. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:29 pm
    Slow your roll Zappe-heads. There’s nothing that this guy did today that Jones can’t do

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    He won the games. He threw for over 300 yards

  22. Zappe seems to have great pocket awareness and is able to avoid rushers, buy time, step up and make plays. Couple times I though he was about to get crunched by Garrett from the blindside, but he just made a quick move and hit the open guy. Maybe Mac can do that too, but he hadn’t been so far this season.

  23. nhpats2011 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:47 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:29 pm
    Slow your roll Zappe-heads. There’s nothing that this guy did today that Jones can’t do

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    He won the games. He threw for over 300 yards
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    Nothing Jones wouldn’t have done.

    Funny what happens when the offense is all on the same page and he isn’t asked to push the ball downfield at all and the other defense is missing a bunch of starters…while I can admit maybe he can be a serviceable backup against weak teams he is not a NFL starting QB on a team that plans to go anywhere.

  24. Todays’s game was the best thr Pats defense had played since before last year’s Bye week. Hopefully Barrymore is ok. An when was the last game Isaiah Wynn did not commit at least 1 penalty?

  25. I have no problem with admitting I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time. I try to keep it under 50%. However, the Pats have something going on with Zappe. As an old Boston sportscaster said about Doug Flutie; He’s got ‘It’. And about Judon, Dugger. JJones and the rest of the D. Very exciting.

  26. To those who said there’s nothing Zappe did that Jones can’t, this is true. But the same can be said of most NFL QB play. Most of the dudes can do what it takes to win, but being capable and completing the task… are two different things.

    Mac’s a starter, don’t get me wrong. He has qualities some like feisty, confident, and aggressive; others might not, possibly, including teammates and Belichick. We’ve seen opponents complain about Mac on occasion, so that’s not a bridge too far.

    I expect Mac is traded at the end of year to LV. Belichick does the things others fear, often with good results.

  27. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:56 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:47 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:29 pm
    Slow your roll Zappe-heads. There’s nothing that this guy did today that Jones can’t do

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    He won the games. He threw for over 300 yards
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    Nothing Jones wouldn’t have done.

    Funny what happens when the offense is all on the same page and he isn’t asked to push the ball downfield at all and the other defense is missing a bunch of starters…while I can admit maybe he can be a serviceable backup against weak teams he is not a NFL starting QB on a team that plans to go anywhere

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    You, I or nobody have any idea what Jone “would have done”. He just as likely would have thrown 3 interceptions

  28. No QB controversy yet. But w/ Zappe winning like this – it puts huge pressure on Jones when he comes back.

    If he throws a couple of picks and loses his next start, there will be the start of a real debate in NE.

  29. Patriots should try and trade Mac Jones to Panthers for McCaffrey. Since the Panthers have made it known they are willing to trade McCaffrey and they need QB help. McCaffrey could really make the Pats true contenders. Zappe is at least the equal of Jones and so what exactly would the Pats lose.

  30. Mac has been making bad decisions going back to preseason. Mac may be better physically but Zappe doesn’t make bad decisions that cost games. Stick with Zappe.

  31. I do not know what the future holds for Bailey Zappe but I do know that in the three games he has played he has looked like a poised, accurate, intelligent, veteran NFL QB. Maybe the glass cleat will not fit eventually, but to date it has fit fine.

  32. You, I or nobody have any idea what Jone “would have done”. He just as likely would have thrown 3 interceptions
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    No that’s unlikely. Zappe was a game manager today. Took the safe dink and dunk little passes, ran the ball when he could and didn’t push the ball downfield at all. We already saw Jones do that last year so no reason he couldn’t have done that today either. Even though I would hope my 2nd year franchise QB to be would be more than a game manager.

    Start Zappe for the rest of the season and the team is probably in play for a top 10 draft pick. Start Jones when he’s ready and the ceiling is a lot higher. Jones is the superior QB. Fact.

  33. Nice performance by Zappe. However, the Patriots are still cellar dwellers and when they look up all they see is the Jets rear end. Watch out below!

  34. bruce4 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:06 pm
    Patriots should try and trade Mac Jones to Panthers for McCaffrey. Since the Panthers have made it known they are willing to trade McCaffrey and they need QB help. McCaffrey could really make the Pats true contenders. Zappe is at least the equal of Jones and so what exactly would the Pats lose.

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    They don’t need McCaffrey and his massive cap hit

  35. SenorUgati says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:11 pm
    Nice performance by Zappe. However, the Patriots are still cellar dwellers and when they look up all they see is the Jets rear end. Watch out below!

    Oh no, ONE game behind the jets with 11 to go.

  36. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:07 pm
    Mac has been making bad decisions going back to preseason. Mac may be better physically but Zappe doesn’t make bad decisions that cost games. Stick with Zappe.

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    That’s what I was saying weeks ago. All of the offensive struggles that were coming out of Pats training camp and the pre-season were really just Mac struggling. Both Zappe and Hoyer played fine during the pre-season and had no trouble with the new offense. I think Jones has just regressed and badly. Trade him now while you have a few teams that are desperate for a QB.

  37. Zappe has significantly outplayed Mac Jones. I know Mac was taken earlier in the draft but the difference in play between the two is drastic.

    Not sure Bill can go back now.

  38. To me, Zappe seems to have a much better feel for how to check out of a bad play, into a play that has a chance. Not sure MJones has the same acumen.

  39. The Browns’ owner must not be too popular in Cleveland nowadays, if indeed he ever was popular.

    BTW: How is Brady skipping Tampa Bay’s Saturday practice after attending Kraft’s wedding not a bigger story, especially after they lost to the Steelers?

  40. mongonation says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:22 pm
    Zappe has significantly outplayed Mac Jones. I know Mac was taken earlier in the draft but the difference in play between the two is drastic.

    Not sure Bill can go back now.

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    This is confusing. I thought your fan base declared Mac Jones as the next franchise QB and stated how tremendous he was. Was that not true? What happens if Zappe starts committing turnovers as ridiculously as Mac did? Still your anointed franchise QB or will you hop to your 4th stringer once Zappe starts folding?

  41. First off, congrats to Belichick.

    As for today’s game, Zappe played well again. He continues to show poise for a rookie and also continued to benefit from some really solid defensive play. They drafted this kid with the hopes of turning him into a solid backup and luckily he appears to be taking the coaching well and his teammates are rallying around him. That said, there’s no QB controversy no matter how hard the media tries to manufacture one. You don’t spend a first round pick on someone, have them turn in a fantastic rookie season, and then call it quits on them because the backup wins two games.

  42. The improvements that are bringing tough games against Green Bay and wins since then are because of a myriad of improvements. It is not a Zappe vs Jones thing. When Jones comes back he is going to have a better playing team around him, a better offensive line, receivers knowing their routes and playing better than they did to start the year, a running game RBs that has picked up. And a D that helps a ton to control the game. All of these things have been getting stronger for the Pats and thats been the difference not the QB. Zappe has played well, kept good aggressiveness while not doing anything to lose the game. But he is not the reason the Pats are starting to play teams so tough. The fact they are on an easier stretch now is good too because they do have things to work on before tougher games down the road. But its all progressing well in all areas.

  43. Boston sports radio will be insufferable this week.

    Interesting how the bills poster that lives on Pats threads is posting during the Bills biggest regular season game of the year…hmmmm

  44. Great accomplishment for Coach BB. I still think he ends up just short of Shula though. Hopefully I’m wrong.

  45. If Isaiah Wynn sees the field again this year, I will seriously lose my mind. Put a tackling dummy out there. At least that won’t commit a hold or a false start. He just can’t be one of the best 5 OL on the team.

  46. Between quarters, tedmurph!

    Don’t pretend you weren’t all over the Bills boards when they lost to KC, guaranteeing the BB would slam their window shut.

    Did you see that TD pass that JA just threw? Crazy.

  47. Zappe has filled in nicely for NE as a rookie – Jones is still acting like a rookie with rookie mistakes!

  48. tedmurph says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    Boston sports radio will be insufferable this week.

    ********************

    There’s nobody that knows less about football than Felger and his band of buffoons. I try to stick to Mike Reiss, Curran, and Holley because at least their opinions are not driven by hatred for Belichick.

  49. There’s nobody that knows less about football than Felger and his band of buffoons
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    He doesn’t believe a word he says. It’s all about triggering listeners and getting reactions and he kinda admitted that before.

  50. I agree my friend, but GBedard, IMO, is objective and excellent with the x/o’s. He also let’s F and Mazz have it for their nonsense. 2pm Tues. Worth it.(Disclaimer, I don’t work for them)

  51. Bill will play the QB he thinks the team has the best chance to win with.

    He would start a homeless person over a #1 draft choice if he thought it was the better option.

  52. Hes on his second week in a row of committing to the Pats losing the upcoming game and been hard dead wrong on both. Last week he was doubling down on his loss and nowjust lost again. Let the poor guy have a few minutes to collect himself. Don’t worry, he will be back.

  53. Things I have never said: Oh, it’s halftime at the Bills game. Let me run to a Bills thread and post something!

  54. Why are bills fan posting on patriot threads when the bills are playing. Like a weird obsession

  55. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:11

    Start Zappe for the rest of the season and the team is probably in play for a top 10 draft pick. Start Jones when he’s ready and the ceiling is a lot higher. Jones is the superior QB. Fact.
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    Mac Jones has 2 TD’s and 5 INT. He’s 1-2 as a starter this year, only winning by 3 against the 2-4 Steelers. Facts.

    “Jones is a superior QB”. Your opinion.

  56. goodellisaclown says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:31 pm
    First off, congrats to Belichick.

    That said, there’s no QB controversy no matter how hard the media tries to manufacture one. You don’t spend a first round pick on someone, have them turn in a fantastic rookie season, and then call it quits on them because the backup wins two games

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    The Patriots gave Bledsoe a huge contract and after BB went with Brady, Bledsoe was never agains the starter even after fully recovering from his injury

  57. straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    Why are bills fan posting on patriot threads when the bills are playing. Like a weird obsession

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    So only Pats fans can comment on other team’s articles while their own team is playing? Seems like a pathetically childish stance but with fans like TB6 it makes sense.

  58. Love seeing the dumpster fired called the browns. They get what they deserve for the watson insanity

  59. silentphart says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:24 pm
    straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    Why are bills fan posting on patriot threads when the bills are playing. Like a weird obsession

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    So only Pats fans can comment on other team’s articles while their own team is playing? Seems like a pathetically childish stance but with fans like TB6 it makes sense.

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    Pats fans with the Bills renting space in their heads can and do certainly do that. Just as Bills fans that have the Pats renting space in their head hang out on these threads here. He’s making fun of just the ones of you that are here, not all of Bills nation, who are in fact a pretty good bunch to party with.

  60. The Patriots gave Bledsoe a huge contract and after BB went with Brady
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    Bledsoe was in the league for almost a decade. He was never going to be better than he was. What you saw is who he was and would always be both good and bad. Jones is a second year player coming off a decent rookie season but whose ceiling is known by nobody. The two scenarios are not comparable at all.

  61. That is the thing about sports radio(and TV), It’s not what they believe, it’s like; you take 1 side, I’ll take the other. Or, in the case of F&M in Boston, let’s just say everyone stinks. We’ll get the fan base furious, and they’ll wait 90 mins on the phone and get cut off before completing a sentence. Great business model. Ratings are thru the roof. Kudos. Good for a laugh sometimes’

  62. Football says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:33 pm
    silentphart says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:24 pm
    straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    Why are bills fan posting on patriot threads when the bills are playing. Like a weird obsession

    ———————

    So only Pats fans can comment on other team’s articles while their own team is playing? Seems like a pathetically childish stance but with fans like TB6 it makes sense.

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    Pats fans with the Bills renting space in their heads can and do certainly do that. Just as Bills fans that have the Pats renting space in their head hang out on these threads here. He’s making fun of just the ones of you that are here, not all of Bills nation, who are in fact a pretty good bunch to party with.

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    I just happen to see Pats fans saying this frequently to Bills fans and it makes Pats fans look very pathetic. I’m sure I’m not the only outsider who has repeatedly seen this week after week.

  63. silentphart says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:40 pm
    Football says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:33 pm
    silentphart says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:24 pm
    straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:18 pm
    Why are bills fan posting on patriot threads when the bills are playing. Like a weird obsession

    ———————

    So only Pats fans can comment on other team’s articles while their own team is playing? Seems like a pathetically childish stance but with fans like TB6 it makes sense.

    ————————

    Pats fans with the Bills renting space in their heads can and do certainly do that. Just as Bills fans that have the Pats renting space in their head hang out on these threads here. He’s making fun of just the ones of you that are here, not all of Bills nation, who are in fact a pretty good bunch to party with.

    ———————-

    I just happen to see Pats fans saying this frequently to Bills fans and it makes Pats fans look very pathetic. I’m sure I’m not the only outsider who has repeatedly seen this week after week

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    No need to try explaining yourself. Why you hang out on Pats threads is not important. The point is still that you do.

    Im a Pats fan watching the Bills game, even rooting for them, as I do my commenting here.

  64. GoodellMustGo says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:34 pm
    The Patriots gave Bledsoe a huge contract and after BB went with Brady
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    Bledsoe was in the league for almost a decade. He was never going to be better than he was

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    The why did they write him a huge contract ?

  65. Pats fans have never given a … about Bills fans or what they think. Since the beginning of blogging. Bills fans just crave approval from their daddy.

  66. 47-17.

    Pats fans post on Bills articles constantly. If you’re in our heads – we’re in your heads.

  67. tedmurph says:
    October 16, 2022 at 6:59 pm
    Pats fans have never given a … about Bills fans or what they think. Since the beginning of blogging. Bills fans just crave approval from their daddy.

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    Not a Bills fan or Pats fan but I’ll gladly put my money behind the Bills “being your daddy” for the foreseeable future. Last I checked, you haven’t been successful in a number of seasons now whereas Buffalo has. In other words, your daddy routine is so stale that it now makes people laugh at morons that state it.

  68. Well if anything has come out of this few games experiment … Hoyer should retire and become the QB coach or OC and Zappe becomes the new backup … and why not throw them both in there during the same game for a change of pace as the rook continues to get an NFL league taste.

  69. Bill future You have been posting on pats blogs since preseason. U spend more time on patriots related threads then Buffalo threads.

  70. Somebody said Mac’s ceiling is unknown. I believe that is universally agreed to be a false notion. Mac’s ceiling has always been viewed as his detriment–dink and dunker. However, his floor was universally agreed to be high; certainly higher than Trey Lance, Justin Fields, etc. He’s shown himself to be a low level starter, that was the perception of both his ceiling and his floor. And that’s fine, just pointing out that most will not follow the logic that Jones is going to bloom into Josh Allen.

  71. paging William Lee.. Time to come out from under your bridge again.

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    Please don’t encourage him….

  72. “straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 7:09 pm
    Bill future You have been posting on pats blogs since preseason. U spend more time on patriots related threads then Buffalo threads.”
    ________________________

    And? A lot of fans here post on more than their own team’s articles. My 1st post here wasn’t trolling – it was a realistic assessment of the QB situation. I’m a fan of the game.

  73. straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 7:09 pm
    Bill future You have been posting on pats blogs since preseason. U spend more time on patriots related threads then Buffalo threads.

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    Please stop acting like representatives of your own team’s fans don’t do the same thing constantly. One of your troll buddies even gives “LOLs” on injury news of other teams.

    You’re fanbase has been proving they’re the most classless in the league due to certain loud members.

  74. More Bills fans talk about the ‘foreseeable future and their upcoming SBowl win”.#joke. Get back to me when you win something. Stop apologizing, looking for approval from daddy and try to beat the Chiefs for a change. Is convincing Pats fans so important to you?

  75. I can pull the threads showing your trash talk before season even started. once u win a super bowl go for it until then it comes off as immature at best.

  76. “Rebuilding can be painful, but for some reason (could it possibly be that the reason is he’s the greatest ever)”

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    Paul Brown is still asking, “Bill who?”

    Fact is Belicheats not even in the running for.greatewt ever, nor top 5. He’s make a great Hollywood film director though, with his ways with cameras.

  77. tedmurph says:
    October 16, 2022 at 7:20 pm
    More Bills fans talk about the ‘foreseeable future and their upcoming SBowl win”.#joke. Get back to me when you win something. Stop apologizing, looking for approval from daddy and try to beat the Chiefs for a change. Is convincing Pats fans so important to you?

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    Another pathetic troll that rivals tb6 with useless statements. This kid will now get the same treatment as his troll buddy.

  78. Fact is Belicheats not even in the running for.greatewt ever, nor top 5. He’s make a great Hollywood film director though, with his ways with camera


    What an idiot

  79. Last I checked, you haven’t been successful in a number of seasons now whereas Buffalo has.

    Really? Most would say drafting a Rookie QB and making the playoffs would be considered a good season and the last I checked the Bills still have won NOTHING

  80. “straighcashhomey says:
    October 16, 2022 at 7:20 pm
    I can pull the threads showing your trash talk before season even started. once u win a super bowl go for it until then it comes off as immature at best.”
    ____________________

    There is another poster who has a similar name to mine. I genuinely try not to troll – most of my posts are football talk. There are probably a small percentage that are more like jabs, but I don’t come here to troll.

  81. I’m a Patriots fan, but of course I was rooting for Buffalo to stomp KC and the Jets to do the same to GB.

  82. One good thing about Cleveland’s season. They can see first hand that Jalopy Briskette never was a talent. Enjoy and party on, idiots!

  83. The Patriots have still not defeated even one decent team. Once again, fans are living in the moment. They won over the Steelers, Lions, and Browns. None of those teams have winning records. And they get another bye week against the Bears next week. Belichick is still an overrated coach.

  84. Tom Brady is nothing but a nice little system QB with a little arm who looks completely out of his element when he doesn’t have coach Belichick to help him look better than his talent level, or an all star team around him on offense to do the same.

    Time to retire before you’re exposed even more than you are cheater. 🙂

  85. curts6 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 7:55 pm
    Did I see someone say Zappe only threw dink and dunk? With 300 yards?
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    Happens all the time. It’s called YAC. There was one that turned a 10 yard pass into a 55 yard gain.

    Zappe is a cute little story but let me know how he does when his team is losing big and he has to throw rockets downfield to get his team back in the game. That’s what real NFL QBs can do. Call me skeptical.

  86. Only Bills fans would quote a Divisional Playoff victory like it’s some mic drop feat (well Jet fans prob would also).

  87. Hope the Zappe-heads are paying attention to Cooper Rush tonight. Clock struck midnight and he turned back into a pumpkin against a good team.

    That’s exactly what Zappe will look like against the first good team he plays.

    Jones is better than Zappe in every aspect of the position. Fact.

  88. Pats wins over the Steelers, Lions and Browns was by a combined score of 84-29. If a good point comes to you, please,let the world know.

  89. Congratulations to Bill….. time to zero in on becoming #1
    Mac will be the starter when he’s FULLY HEALTHY…
    When they dump Gilbert that will mean Mac is good to go…. That’s the tell sign right there

  90. The why did they write him a huge contract ?
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    Good question. He was declining and so was the team. We knew his ceiling and he already hit it.

    Jones is 24. We don’t know what he will be yet. I don’t know if he’s THE guy. I do know Jones showed me more last year vs Dallas and clawing his way back against the Colts than Zappe being a game manager against two terrible defenses.

  91. stipez says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:30 pm
    Zappe sees the field better than Jones
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    Wasnt seeing the field better when he had a wide open Hunter Henry in the endzone. Only to scramble out of the pocket and throw him the ball (after HH had stepped out of bounds).

  92. nhpats2011 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:13 pm
    bruce4 says:
    October 16, 2022 at 5:06 pm
    Patriots should try and trade Mac Jones to Panthers for McCaffrey. Since the Panthers have made it known they are willing to trade McCaffrey and they need QB help. McCaffrey could really make the Pats true contenders. Zappe is at least the equal of Jones and so what exactly would the Pats lose.

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    They don’t need McCaffrey and his massive cap hit
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    I would not make that trade, but CMC “massive cap hit” is $1.3 million”

  93. Been a lifelong fan of Paul Brown. But I cannot recall a coach who can create QBs as Belichick can. Worship Brady all you want, but what other coach has won 11 games in a season with QB who was five quarters out of high school (Matt Leinart)?

  94. Belichick is still an overrated coach.

    Belichick is neither over or underrated as a coach, he’s rated exactly what he is. One of the all time greats.

  95. stipez says:
    October 16, 2022 at 4:30 pm
    Zappe sees the field better than Jones

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    Yeahhhh…. no he doesn’t.

  96. but what other coach has won 11 games in a season with QB who was five quarters out of high school (Matt Leinart)?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Rex Ryan took Jets to AFCCG twice with Sanchez, and Belichick never even won a divisional title without Brady, and never will.

  97. phinatic29 says:
    October 17, 2022 at 8:58 am
    becoming increasingly obvious that Belichick made Brady, not the other way around.
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    So, you think that Belichick has been spending all of his time with Bailey Zappe this season, or do you think he magically turned him into an adequate QB in just a couple of weeks? Why couldn’t he turn Stidham into a serviceable QB with much more time?

    Bill Belichick is a head coach and a defensive coach first. He has very little to do with the success of QB’s.

  98. “becoming increasingly obvious that Belichick made Brady, not the other way around.” So, that’s why Brady won a championship without Bill while Belichick hasn’t as the head coach of the Patriots? Does 47-17 ring any bells? Again, living in the moment…

  99. Speaking of the Bills it’s not hard to picture a scenario where the Patriots need to beat Buffalo in week 18 to get a wild card spot… and Buffalo has the #1 seed locked up. So what does Coach McDermott do? Rest his players giving the Pats a presumed free pass into the playoffs? Or pull a Tom Coughlin in 2007 and go all out to keep the Pats out?

    Fascinating scenario to ponder. Guess we’ll see what happens. 🙂

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