If Josh McDaniels stays beyond 2022, does Derek Carr go?

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There’s a disconnect between Raiders coach Josh McDaniels and quarterback Derek Carr as to whether an issue exists regarding the effort level of the team’s players. With owner Mark Davis, unlike the vast majority of the fan base, firmly backing McDaniels, the question becomes whether Carr will be the one who’s gone, if McDaniels isn’t.

Remember when Carr got a new contract earlier this year? It was a much-hyped $40.5 million per year deal that, in reality, pays him $24.9 million for one season with a quick and easy out for the team after 2022.

The Raiders would have to cut Carr (if he’s healthy) by the third day of the 2023 waiver period — the week after the Super Bowl. It prevents the Raiders from trading him before another $40.4 million becomes fully guaranteed.

It’s also regarded as bad form to cut a player based on guarantees that vest in the early days of the waiver period. Usually, that trigger is incorporated to avoid the funding rule, and not as a moment for moving on and/or moving out.

Still, the Raiders and McDaniels will have every right to do it. And it would give Carr a ticket to free agency, more than a month before free agency opens.

This isn’t a report or a prediction that it will happen. The point is that, within days after the next Super Bowl, the Raiders will have to decide whether to renew their vows with Carr or cut him loose. Given the team’s current situation, it’s hard to imagine both McDaniels and Carr back next year.

21 responses to “If Josh McDaniels stays beyond 2022, does Derek Carr go?

  1. Carr is coming apart at the seams. Physically, mentally, emotionally. . . I think it might be time for him to retire.

  2. I have mixed feelings about Carr. He may not be the guy for the Raiders (or anybody else), but he also has never even sniffed playing with an above average defense. But McDaniels did not sign on for a rebuild, and I don’t think exhibiting utter incompetence as a head coach so far gives him the right to switch that up and start making franchise-altering decisions. And if they just CUT Carr, wow. At this rate Raiders games won’t even be on TV in the Bay Area next season anyway, and if McDaniels is still around they’d probably be doing us all a favor with that.

  3. I think Carr goes either way.

    But it seems like McDaniels should be gone and that Carr could be a good caretaker QB for a rebuilding team or a reclamation project for a QB Whisperer.

    Would’ve been a nice fit for Reich in Indy. Might still have his job if Carr had a horseshoe on his helmet this year.

  4. Even the GOAT, Bill Belichick has never won anything without an elite QB, so Josh McDaniels shouldn’t be asked to do something the GOAT can’t even do. Maybe Mark Davis will be the last person on earth to figure out that the NFL is a QB league. I do have some doubts about Josh McDaniels, but it’s not fair to judge a coach when Derek Carr is your QB. The guy has been in the league for a decade and hasn’t won a single playoff game. His teams have been good enough to win with a decent QB.

  5. Davis already all but confirmed McDaniels is staying beyond 2022.

    It sounds like they are preparing to move on from/scapegoat Carr. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Raiders draft a QB and make a run at Jimmy G to be a 1-year stopgap and reunite him with McDaniels. Its a shame for Carr though – he’s not a top QB but he’s legitimately never played on a team with even a league average defense.

    His skills would be much better equipped on a more well-rounded team that has a talented defense.

  6. Derek Carr should stay. The Raiders have made this mess with the coaching carousel. Josh McDaniels, while he seems likeable enough, seems he hasn’t figured it out yet. Carr, twice, has left considerable money and guarantees on the table so the team can retain a core of valuable players. If this is how you treat a team leader, they will never right the ship. Mark Davis is one who loves his players. Last night seemed like DC was giving his retirement speech, apologizing for caring too much about the Raiders and his inability to bring home a championship. If DC goes, expect Davante Adams to demand a trade, possibly back to GB.

  7. Carr was answer. He may not be now. Hes been reigned in and controlled and ruined by 8 OC’s in 10 years. Franchise QB wasted.

  8. As a KC fan, I say: keep buying season tickets and merch all you Raiders fans. Keep letting Mark Davis prove he’s got “issues” intellectually and you keep giving him your money and support. Yes sir, keep giving him permission to build stadiums and make money. Yes. The smartest fan base for sure.

  9. McDaniels failed. It’s that simple. To put this on Carr is crazy. McDaniels offense isn’t real. Send him back to NE for a N’Keal Harry replica jersey.

  10. They were a playoff team just last year but windows are so small these days that by wasting this season they may already be looking at a rebuild. But McDaniels can’t win with a good team (let alone a rebuilding one) and he can’t judge personnel so you don’t want him anywhere near a rebuild. But I wouldn’t bet that Davis will want to pay 3 head coaches at the same time so he might stick with Josh. But anybody trying to tell you Josh is going to learn and get better with time is kidding themselves. He’s had plenty of time; he’s just not any good.

  11. charliecharger says:
    November 14, 2022 at 8:16 pm
    Even the GOAT, Bill Belichick has never won anything without an elite QB, so Josh McDaniels shouldn’t be asked to do something the GOAT can’t even do. Maybe Mark Davis will be the last person on earth to figure out that the NFL is a QB league. I do have some doubts about Josh McDaniels, but it’s not fair to judge a coach when Derek Carr is your QB. The guy has been in the league for a decade and hasn’t won a single playoff game. His teams have been good enough to win with a decent QB.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    It’s hard for a QB to maintain consistency when he has a new coach and new system to learn every year. How is it that Carr was pretty amazing last year, got them to the Playoffs (beating your Chargers) after several obstacles which would have killed some teams, and now he totally sucks? No, this is all on the coach and yet another new system the QB and rest of the team have to learn. That play earlier in the season where Renfroe ran into DA is a great example.
    Carr is not an elite QB but he is definitely way better than ya’ll are giving him credit for this season.

  12. It would be hilarious if Belicheats traded a mid rounder for Carr and won the Super Bowl with him that year.

  13. skcusoirolf says:
    November 14, 2022 at 8:34 pm

    Carr is the most overrated QB in the league IMO

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    He’s not overrated, everyone knows he sucks.

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