Patriots return punt for TD with five seconds to play, beat Jets 10-3

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The Patriots and Jets offenses combined to score no touchdowns over the course of Sunday’s game at Gillette Stadium, but the Patriots punt return team finally found a way into the end zone.

Marcus Jones returned a punt 84 yards for a touchdown with five seconds left to play in the game. The Jets were not able to come up with a miracle of their own, which means the Patriots have a 10-3 win and season sweep of the Jets in their pockets.

The kick was Braden Mann‘s 10th punt of the day and the Jets offense managed just nine completed passes while picking up 103 total yards. Only two of those yards came in the second half as the Patriots shut down the Jets run game and sacked Zach Wilson four times to mitigate their own offensive shortcomings.

Mac Jones was sacked six times and the Patriots converted just 4-of-15 third down opportunities on the day. Nick Folk also missed two of the three field goals that he tried over the course of the afternoon.

The Patriots are now 6-4 and they will head into a Thanksgiving game against the Vikings. The Jets would have moved into first place with a win, but will now drop to the bottom of the division ahead of their Week 12 game against the Bears.

The result leaves all four AFC East teams with at least six wins, so the stretch run should be entertaining even if Sunday’s game was short on fireworks until the final seconds.

143 responses to “Patriots return punt for TD with five seconds to play, beat Jets 10-3

  1. The way this game went that’s the only way it could end. Lol

    Can Marcus Jones play QB too? Asking for a friend.

  2. As a Bostonian, I HATE New York teams. However, coach Saleh has this team up and ready. You guys will be a force in the future.

    Yes offensively we were brutal on offense, but thag doesn’t give the defenses the credit THEY DESERVED. Outstanding defense.

    With that being said, it’s Wednesday before a Sunday game boys aka ONTO THE VIKINGS.

  3. Does the Jets coach still have the “receipts” ?
    Maybe he can use one to exchange his QB.
    Zach Wilson is trash. 9/22 77 yards for the game.

  4. Back to the basement where you belong.
    Somebody grab Saleh some tissues, I hate seeing a grown man cry.
    Wilson:44 yds. Lol!

  5. I was shocked to see salah playing for overtime with 1+ minute left in the game. I know they are trying to not put too much on Zach Wilson, but that’s a bad coaching decision. Let him go for the game winning drive.

  6. I was just saying that the Jets had the edge on special teams today, and both defenses were playing well, and both offenses were not, and then Marcus Jones goes off. Not a moment too soon.

    To be fair, the Patriots did move the ball today between the twenties, but in got to have it situations, they did not execute well.

    Looks like the “lowly” Jets are in last place in the division.

  7. This team needs to wear the throwbacks every game cause I’m getting Tony Eason flashbacks. Double team Jakobi Meyers and Sack Jones’ got nothing.

    But Jets.

  8. Is it Jones or Patricia …one of them has to go…and that offensive line it needs work too!!

  9. Belichick toys with the Jets for nearly four quarters and then unleashes the punt return TD. Belichick continues to play chess while the other coaches are playing checkers.

  10. That’s a tough one for Jets fans. Hang in there, NY – Saleh is an excellent coach. The tide is going to turn on that match-up, and probably soon.

  11. Meh the draft position for the Pats is much more important than getting lucky after stinking out the joint for 59:55 of the game … BB will take it due to trying to catch Shula but lordy really wot is the point of finishing 500 give or take a few games ??? … just lose finally get some bleeping talent strip BB of GM if you have too and rebuild with a positive outcome that is foreseeable instead of the always around 500 drip drip.

  12. I guess Mac Jones turned into Drew Bledsoe Jr during his bye week “audit”. Holding on to the ball way too long can’t make quick decisions and taking bad sacks.

  13. If Mac Jones doesn’t win the AFC Offensive Player of the Week, I’m never watching football again. He was outstanding.

  14. Old school division dog fight both clubs faught hard the Pat’s made more plays in the end,keep grinding boys.

  15. Mac is quite possibly the worst quarterback in the league bar none. Get Zappe back out there at least he knows he doesn’t have 10 seconds to find a receiver. Mac sits back there like he’s back at Alabama playing western prairie

  16. realfootballfan says:
    November 20, 2022 at 4:20 pm
    Give me defense over offense any day. Here come the Patriots.
    —-
    Patriots have no OL, Matt Patricia is still calling plays and Jones seems to be a statue back there. Not a great recipe for beating good teams.

  17. I think even the Jets didn’t want to see OT. They were like, just take it in for a TD. We done.

  18. catquick says:
    November 20, 2022 at 4:30 pm
    Mac Jones stinks

    ——
    So you’re Bills fan that was watching the Patriots game? Weird..

    Mac Jones was 22/27 avrg 9.1 , yards 246 total yards.
    How did Allen do vs that same D 2 weeks ago? Oh yeah he threw for less yards 2 ints and the Bills lost.

  19. It is a shame that fake Pats fans outnumber real Pats fans on every Pats related thread on this site these days.

    As do the never won anything ever Bills fans.

  20. I guess I’m just going to have to lower my expectations if I want to enjoy these types of wins. I didn’t expect such an impotent offense after they had a bye week to get ready.

  21. The Pats scored 3 offensive points and the homers are out here saying chess vs checkers. This wasn’t a slugfest. This was two bad teams playing bad football for 4 quarters.

  22. onesorryfan says:
    November 20, 2022 at 4:21 pm
    Is it Jones or Patricia …one of them has to go…and that offensive line it needs work too!!

    It’s easily Patricia and the play calling
    He and Joe Judge are in way over there head (that’s on Bill)

  23. Not a fan of either team, couldn’t care less who won … but can anybody tell me why that Patriot hitting the final Jet in pursuit from behind, sending him sprawling, wasn’t a block in the back? Maybe I don’t get the rules like I should, but that looked blatant to me. Am I wrong?

  24. Are these announcers getting worse. All I heard was how great the Jets defense is. Yup. They are great however it surely seems
    Like the Patriots defense out played then. Patriots offense is trash with Patricia and his vanilla offense. They still made the Jets miss tackles and such. I will start to listen without sound. BTW not a pats fan. Jets look to be a better team- on paper. But the game is not played on paper.

  25. If the Bills or Dolphins need pointers on how to beat the Jets, maybe they can give Belichick a call and beg for help.

  26. Mac Jones audit of himself obviously didn’t work. Tired of watching grandpa Jones dink and dunk down the field. Put in Zappe!! Patriots will be lucky to win 2 more games.

  27. As do the never won anything ever Bills fans.
    ____________
    The Bills won two back to back American Football League Champioships 1964 and 1965, long before your parents were born.

    Sidenote: The Patriots came from the American Football League.

  28. Jones missed two punt returns with a bad ankle in 2nd half, then he unleashes one to the house.

    Jones 23/27, 246 yards.

    Stevenson had a big game.

  29. Both teams are really awful & between the two have only beaten one good team – my Bills.
    And before you Jest’s fans start crowing about Miami – THAT game doesn’t count because they were playing their backup QB who was worse than Wilson & Jones combined plus that Fish secondary was missing starters.

  30. I see the refs wanted that game to be over with like the rest of us when they did not call the block in the back on the punt return. That was hard to watch.

  31. It’s interesting w/ the repetitive “Bills fans have never won anything” comments.

    Have Pats fans? Did you guys have a tug of war w/ another fanbase or something?

  32. The Bills won two back to back American Football League Champioships 1964 and 1965, long before your parents were born.

    Oh no!!!! You got him there…. “Back to back” baby!!! AFL Champions!!

  33. Both teams are really awful & between the two have only beaten one good team – my Bills.

    Then why diid “your Bills” just lose to the Jets?

  34. Is it Jones or Patricia …one of them has to go…and that offensive line it needs work too!!

    Patricia is the most knowledgeable coach on offense among all Patriots coaches.

  35. they did not call the block in the back on the punt return
    —-
    Not one official in the league would make that call.

  36. This was fun, I expected it because we had done it once this year already and we just seem to have their number. The tough thing to face though is that my objective self had only this and the Raiders as games the Pats will win. Its not impossible they will win one if the others, but Ill take it as a pleasant surprise if they do. Ill be thankful just to see them play hard down the stretch. The oline with and without Andrews seems to be a difference, hope hes only out short term.

  37. @bawlzitch

    Thank you for your “The Bills won back to back AFL Championships…” post. You did not need to prove my point, yet you knocked the proof out of the park.

    Thanks again.

  38. I think both sides can admit that the announcers were amateurish at best.
    Were they even there, or did they phone it in?

  39. So much for “The System” (next man up, plug’n’play, blah blah blah) we kept hearing about from the NE bandwagoneer-know-it-alls during Brady’s reign. The Patriots have sucked since TB left.

  40. anaoliveira says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:07 pm
    So much for “The System” (next man up, plug’n’play, blah blah blah) we kept hearing about from the NE bandwagoneer-know-it-alls during Brady’s reign. The Patriots have sucked since TB left.
    —-
    Tom Brady is nothing but a nice little system QB with a little arm who has never won a thing without a great team around him. And never will.

  41. So much for “The System” (next man up, plug’n’play, blah blah blah) we kept hearing about from the NE bandwagoneer-know-it-alls during Brady’s reign. The Patriots have sucked since TB left.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fans of Belichick the garbage still believe that the garbage is kind of genius on offense.

  42. Mac Jones was 23-27 for 246yds, no picks, no TDs. Could be worse, look at Zach Wilson’s stats.
    Mac was sacked 6 and went backwards as soon as they were near the red zone.

    Yes, agree offense looked horrible, but not all on Mac.

  43. It will all come crumbling down in spectacular fashion when the Patsys play good football teams. Your defense is ok but your offense is lacking in every facet. Time to start looking for a QB. That should be top on your priority list. Then go from there. Better luck next year. Stay with noodle arm and you’ll be 500 every season.

  44. That punt return was about as clean and well blocked as it gets. A couple of Pats were looking for someone to block, but couldn’t find anyone. A thing of beauty.

  45. Both the Patriots and the Jets are one player away from being playoff teams. Unfortunately, in both cases that player is their Quarterback.

  46. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:16 pm
    Let the Bailey Zappe era begin
    ——
    The Bears love that idea and so does the rest of the league.

  47. Jets are legit. Belichick has their number defensively, but they are a rising star for sure.

    That being said…. The Patriots offense suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. I do t see the Krafts letting this off-season go without Wholesale changes happening in coaching. And if BB doesn’t toe the line, I think this is his last year here in NE. Patricia is a freaking dumpster fire, and what the heck does Judge do again? Horrible offensive team wasting a gem on defense.

  48. An ugly win is still a win!!!
    …. 1st game down in a brutal 3 game in 12 days stretch…
    & we’re on to Minnesota!!!

  49. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:16 pm
    Let the Bailey Zappe era begin
    ——
    The Bears love that idea and so does the rest of the league.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kindly remember you just claimed that Belichick the garbage had magic system.

  50. William Lee says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:24 pm
    patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:16 pm
    Let the Bailey Zappe era begin
    ——
    The Bears love that idea and so does the rest of the league.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kindly remember you just claimed that Belichick the garbage had magic system.

    ——-
    Tom Brady is nothing without a great team and system around him. When his system breaks down so does Tommy. He’s proven it again and again. And always will.

  51. Imagine actually thinking Crappe behind this OL would be any better than Jones. LOL. At least Jones can get passes past the other team’s DL.

    That experiment is over. Thankfully.

  52. anaoliveira says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    So much for “The System” (next man up, plug’n’play, blah blah blah) we kept hearing about from the NE bandwagoneer-know-it-alls during Brady’s reign. The Patriots have sucked since TB left.

    ===

    The Patriots have taken a grand total of one year off from the playoffs after losing the all-time GOAT QB. How would any other team be doing with the QBs they’ve had since Brady?

    I don’t get their coaching choices, but the team has remained competitive.

  53. lol!!!

    Zach Wilson is the worst qb prospect since Jamarcus Russell of r Ryan Leaf.

    Lol!! 77 yards and well under 50%.

    Pats D keeps setting records. Joe Douglas’s seat keeps getting warmer and warmer.

  54. Well, a win is a win, I guess?

    The play of the offensive line this season (including guys apparently not buying in) and the uninspired offensive play calling have been painful to watch. I don’t believe the regression of the offense is a Mac Jones thing, I think it’s a Matt Patricia thing. The “regression” by Jones doesn’t make sense considering he was coming off an impressive rookie campaign and all off season we heard glowing words about his hard work, efforts to organize practices with his WRs, getting coached up by Tom House, etc. At this point I’d feel more confident if they grabbed the play sheet from Matty P. and handed it to Troy Brown or someone. They need to find a solution long term because they’re going to ruin Jones.

  55. spockncc1701 says:
    November 20, 2022 at 4:21 pm
    Belichick toys with the Jets for nearly four quarters and then unleashes the punt return TD. Belichick continues to play chess while the other coaches are playing checkers.

    ________________________________________________________________________________________

    You know, playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers means you lose. You should be playing checkers.

  56. Not really getting the “Mac Jones stinks” comments. 23 of 27, no INTs, taking sacks and not losing the ball is pretty decent in this league. Against a D that’s Top 3 in the last 5 weeks?

    Its hard to keep up? Isn’t the Jets D good? The Pats O got 300 yards on them. Seems the powerhouse Bills got a mere 317 yards on the Jets D just 2 weeks ago.

    Man, you haters gotta let go.

  57. I don’t believe the regression of the offense is a Mac Jones thing, I think it’s a Matt Patricia thing.
    —-
    It’s a combination of those things plus a really bad offensive line.

    Cajuste might be the worst OLman I’ve seen in a Patriots uniform since Marshall Newhouse.

    Jones needs to understand all of this and throw the ball away when the play is not there instead of standing like a statue and having the play end in a sack. The one sack cost the Patriots a FG and almost the football game.

  58. Kindly remember you just claimed that Belichick the garbage had magic system.

    —————

    Kindly remember the Patriots have a better record than Tampa and Tom has been struggling.

  59. Kindly remember you just claimed that Belichick the garbage had magic system.

    ——-
    Tom Brady is nothing without a great team and system around him. When his system breaks down so does Tommy. He’s proven it again and again. And always will.

    +++++++++++++

    Then why do you worry about Mac Jones? that the system works or not depends on Belichick the garbage, not Mac Jones, as you want to believe.

  60. No matter how good or bad the Patriots are, Belichick will own the Jets. 4 things we know are true. Life, death, taxes and Belichick beating the JETS

  61. I’m honestly surprised to even see some of the knowledgeable Pats fans criticizing Mac and the offensive coaching staff…how can you possibly judge them with an offensive line this ineffective? This is easily the worst O-Line NE has had in 20+ years. No exaggeration. Yes, injuries have played into it, but man, it’s kind of impossible to run much of an offense when you have 5 or 6 guys unable to block 4. Mac was sitting back there waiting because they had to keep so much help back to block and the Jets were rushing only 4 with everyone else in coverage.

  62. lol!!!

    Zach Wilson is the worst qb prospect since Jamarcus Russell of r Ryan Leaf.
    ==========

    Ryan Leaf was one of the best prospects QB prospects ever.

    There was legitimate debate who was the best QB prospect in 1998… Peyton Mannings Draft.

    Maturity was his problem. Not ability.

  63. BTW, I have said for long time : Belichick the garbage is a master of feeding on garbage QB. I don’t think anyone can question that, sort of like Kramer of Seinfeld in Karate class for kids.

  64. Saw an article about a block in the back on the punt return. Actually, if you slow it down, frame by frame its contact from the side. Jets guy twists after contact and falls on his face making it look like a block in the back. Great non call.

  65. Zach Wilson ain’t it. You have no business playing in the NFL if you are over throwing guys two yards down field.

  66. the Jets were rushing only 4 with everyone else in coverage.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    rushing only FOUR with everyone else in coverage.

    Fans of Belichick the garbage can’t afford caring about this, as it will bring up what Brady had to deal with in SB against Giants.

  67. the Jets were rushing only 4 with everyone else in coverage.
    ==========

    Are you new?

    Thats what that defense has been since Pete brought it into the League in 2010.

    Thats what every great defense has been since the beginning of time.

  68. Don’t care and only saw the play once, but there were at least two blocks that could have been flagged. Well, neither team is going very far anyway.

  69. rushing only FOUR with everyone else in coverage.

    Fans of Belichick the garbage can’t afford caring about this, as it will bring up what Brady had to deal with in SB against Giants.

    ———–

    He had Randy Moss who could beat any coverage in the first SB against the Giants. He had Gronk who could also beat any coverage in the second SB against the Giants.

  70. He had Randy Moss who could beat any coverage in the first SB against the Giants. He had Gronk who could also beat any coverage in the second SB against the Giants.
    ——
    Gotta love the Tommy fan club’s excuses for Super Bowl 42. The greatest offense of all time managed 14 points against the 17th ranked defense in the league in the biggest game maybe in American pro sports history.

    And the fan club blames everyone except the guy who lost it. The QB. Nice going Tommy boy! 😀

  71. NFL Today all wanted the Jets to win with the exception of Simms.
    Cowher complained about block in back on the punt return and then admitted it wasn’t one. Other franchises are really sick of the Patriots winning and were hoping the Jets were going to stick a fork in them today.

    It wasn’t dominant but it was a W.

  72. metitometin says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:46 pm
    No matter how good or bad the Patriots are, Belichick will own the Jets. 4 things we know are true. Life, death, taxes and Belichick beating the JETS

    ———

    I remember attending a postseason game in Foxboro where the Rex Ryan led Jets beat BB and the Pats to end their season. So it doesn’t happen often, but that one stung

  73. I just want to know if Kevin Harlan was wearing his Jets underwear? How many times did he tell us the Jets would be leading the East with a win.
    To the Pats fans bashing Jones, it’s NOT Jones. It’s Fatty Matty, pure trash! His play calling is horrible and they’ve set Jones back more then enough. There’s too many talented players on offense for it to be this bad. It’s play calling pure and simple. The only thing that never gets old is beating the Jets, however if the Jets had a decent QB they’d be a much better team. Wilson is horrible.

  74. rushing only FOUR with everyone else in coverage.

    Fans of Belichick the garbage can’t afford caring about this, as it will bring up what Brady had to deal with in SB against Giants.

    ———–

    He had Randy Moss who could beat any coverage in the first SB against the Giants. He had Gronk who could also beat any coverage in the second SB against the Giants.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, how did it matter if Brady did even have 2.5 seconds in pockets? FYI, Gronk was injured in AFCCG before 2nd SB against Giants.

    Gronk ran 4.68 when he was drafted, and most likely he ran 5.28 in his last 5 years in Pats.

  75. nhpats2011 says:
    November 20, 2022 at 6:13 pm
    metitometin says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:46 pm
    No matter how good or bad the Patriots are, Belichick will own the Jets. 4 things we know are true. Life, death, taxes and Belichick beating the JETS

    ———

    I remember attending a postseason game in Foxboro where the Rex Ryan led Jets beat BB and the Pats to end their season. So it doesn’t happen often, but that one stung
    ——
    Yup. One of the worst losses in franchise history. Tom and the offense picked a bad game to play like trash.

  76. To the Pats fans bashing Jones, it’s NOT Jones. It’s Fatty Matty, pure trash!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Stop blaming on someone who didn’t even want the job!!!

  77. A win is a win. Crazy, exciting finish. I just want to know what it would look like if the Pats could fix the offensive line. Losing Andrews will definitely hurt. Moving Wynn to LT looked like a good call and then he was gone again. They are moving the ball at times but not making plays when it is on the line. Jets D is legit. Mac wasn’t the problem or the solution today. Tip of the hat to the D and special teams for a much needed W.

  78. GoodellMustGo says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    I don’t believe the regression of the offense is a Mac Jones thing, I think it’s a Matt Patricia thing.
    —-
    It’s a combination of those things plus a really bad offensive line.

    Cajuste might be the worst OLman I’ve seen in a Patriots uniform since Marshall Newhouse.

    Jones needs to understand all of this and throw the ball away when the play is not there instead of standing like a statue and having the play end in a sack. The one sack cost the Patriots a FG and almost the football game.

    ______________________

    Couple of things:

    1. When you quote someone, you should include who the quote is from. That’s just basic etiquette.

    2. I agree, the o-line is an issue. Who is the offensive line coach? Patricia.

    3. Yes, Jones needs to throw the ball away… but on at least two of those sacks today the defense got to him so quickly he literally was surrounded and had no room to even throw it away.

  79. Stop blaming on someone who didn’t even want the job!!!

    ——-

    What are you blathering about now? No one forced anyone to take a job they didn’t want….just like no one forced Brady to stay in NE for 20 years…. They are/were there bc they want/wanted to be….now go eat your pudding before bed

  80. Brady has thrown 12 touchdowns to 2 interceptions this season, has a 66 percent completion percentage, and is almost leading the league in passing yards as the oldest quarterback. How is that horrible? Unlike the Bucs, the Patriots will be missing the playoffs this season.

  81. I also liked when Belichick’s defense allowed 41 points against Nick Foles in the super bowl and 47 points versus the Bills in last season’s wild card game. What a genius. His defense allowed 40 points against Mahomes as well. Without Brady, Belichick can’t even win his own division. All the Patriots’ wins this season were against teams with no quarterbacks.

  82. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:13 pm
    Brady has thrown 12 touchdowns to 2 interceptions this season, has a 66 percent completion percentage, and is almost leading the league in passing yards as the oldest quarterback. How is that horrible? Unlike the Bucs, the Patriots will be missing the playoffs this season.


    12 TD in 10 games is good? lol.

    2 ints… big deal. When you throw littlr passes almost all the time it’s not hard to throw less ints.

    The Patriots are in a very tough division from top to bottom. Very possible they don’t make it. Tommy like he has almost his entire career is benefiting from a tire fire of a division this year. That’s supposed to impress us?

  83. goodellisaclown says:
    November 20, 2022 at 7:19 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    November 20, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    I don’t believe the regression of the offense is a Mac Jones thing, I think it’s a Matt Patricia thing.
    —-
    It’s a combination of those things plus a really bad offensive line.

    Cajuste might be the worst OLman I’ve seen in a Patriots uniform since Marshall Newhouse.

    Jones needs to understand all of this and throw the ball away when the play is not there instead of standing like a statue and having the play end in a sack. The one sack cost the Patriots a FG and almost the football game.

    ______________________

    Couple of things:

    1. When you quote someone, you should include who the quote is from. That’s just basic etiquette.

    2. I agree, the o-line is an issue. Who is the offensive line coach? Patricia.

    3. Yes, Jones needs to throw the ball away… but on at least two of those sacks today the defense got to him so quickly he literally was surrounded and had no room to even throw it away.

    —-
    I’ll quote whatever way is easiest on a phone. It’s not like I’m calling anyone out specifically. Hopefully PFT will introduce quotes sometime.

    I don’t disagree with your point about Patricia bit Jones needs to adjust. He can’t stand back there like a statue and wait for a play to happen with this OL. He’s not going to get the time in the big leagues like he got at Bama.

  84. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:25 pm
    I also liked when Belichick’s defense allowed 41 points against Nick Foles in the super bowl and 47 points versus the Bills in last season’s wild card game. What a genius. His defense allowed 40 points against Mahomes as well. Without Brady, Belichick can’t even win his own division. All the Patriots’ wins this season were against teams with no quarterbacks.
    ——-
    Tommy ain’t no GoAT. GOAts aren’t 1-6 vs Nick Foles and the Mannings in Super Bowls and conference championship games. Enough with that noise.

    He can’t lace Joe Montana’s and Peyton Manning’s cleats.

  85. Tommy is so awesome he scored 14 points in the biggest game in American sports history against the 17th ranked Giants defense lolololololololol

    Don’t bring that GOAT garbage here. Enough with that nonsense.

  86. 12 touchdowns at 45 years old is decent. He no longer has Gronk, Antonio Brown, and Mike Evans has dropped passes all throughout the season. Brady is doing better than Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Wilson and Rodgers as well. At least he’s not turning the ball over, unlike Mac Jones. So, I guess defeat multiple MVP quarterbacks on the road in the playoffs without Belichick means nothing.

  87. The greatest quarterback of all time doesn’t get benched in the playoffs against the Vikings or fail to win a super bowl without Bill Walsh in a new system. Looks like Montana is out. Brady has seven. Is that still not enough?

  88. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:37 pm
    12 touchdowns at 45 years old is decent. He no longer has Gronk, Antonio Brown, and Mike Evans has dropped passes all throughout the season. Brady is doing better than Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Wilson and Rodgers as well. At least he’s not turning the ball over, unlike Mac Jones. So, I guess defeat multiple MVP quarterbacks on the road in the playoffs without Belichick means nothing.

    —-
    So Tommy needs a great team around him playing well to elevate him? Huh sounds like Alex Smith. What I’ve been saying all along. 🙂

  89. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:40 pm
    The greatest quarterback of all time doesn’t get benched in the playoffs against the Vikings or fail to win a super bowl without Bill Walsh in a new system
    ——
    Oh Tommy has had more than his share of stinkers in the playoffs. Like last season against the Rams.

    Montana can and did carry his team to titles. Tommy hasn’t even done that once.

  90. Peyton Manning has never thrown two touchdowns in a super bowl. He has nine playoff one and dones and threw five picks in four super bowls. While still great, he was no Brady.

  91. And what did Montana win without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, and David Clark? It’s almost like all great quarterbacks need players around them to win a super bowl.

  92. At least he’s not turning the ball over, unlike Mac Jones.
    —-
    You’re really trying to measure up a guy who you call the greatest of all time with Mac Jones? Yikes.

  93. When Patriots fans touted Jones as the next Brady, sure I will. Weren’t you the guy that defended Brady during deflategate? Stop being a fake Patriots fan.

  94. 1. Patricia didn’t want the job? Fake,made up news. Detroit is paying Patricia 3 mil this year for doing nothing. If he didn’t want the job, he wouldn’t be there(I wish).

    @. Cherry picking stats to make negative points about Belichick and Brady? Here’s a couple I like: Belichick 8 rings. Brady 7 Rings. Both are still active. I especially liked the one where BB’s D gave up 40 to the Chiefs(no sin against Mahomes). The Pats WON that game, AND went on to win the Super Bowl. Otherwise, Great Point!

    3. Brady is nowhere near His standards this year. His team, despite having an excellent D, has a lousy record. Brady is 6th in yards, 14th in TD passes, 13th in QB rating, even though he has by far the most attempts because TBay can’t run the FB. Not good.

  95. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:46 pm
    And what did Montana win without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, and David Clark? It’s almost like all great quarterbacks need players around them to win a super bowl.
    —-
    Great QBs can elevate the talent around them and make them better. Montana did. Seems like Tommy can’t or hasn’t. Odd for a guy people call the greatest.

  96. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:48 pm
    When Patriots fans touted Jones as the next Brady, sure I will. Weren’t you the guy that defended Brady during deflategate? Stop being a fake Patriots fan.

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    Brady lost me when he smashed his cell phone. Someone who is innocent just doesn’t do that. He’s guilty. Too bad he wasn’t man enough to admit he cheated.

  97. My point is that Belichick needs Brady more than Brady ever needed Belichick. Fans called him a system quarterback for years. The tables have turned. Considering Tom is dealing with a lot of things off the field, his performance this season despite all the injuries is pretty good at his age. Some fans won’t get it until they’re both retired.

  98. I’m pretty sure Brady threw 40 touchdowns in his first season with Tampa and took that 7-9 team to the super bowl and won. You guys can pretend that it never happened, but it did. The Patriots missed the playoffs that season.

  99. Re 2018

    Dee Ford doesn’t line up offside and it’s another Brady choke in the playoffs. Let’s not pretend Brady carried his team in that game either.

  100. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:52 pm
    My point is that Belichick needs Brady more than Brady ever needed Belichick. Fans called him a system quarterback for years. The tables have turned. Considering Tom is dealing with a lot of things off the field, his performance this season despite all the injuries is pretty good at his age. Some fans won’t get it until they’re both retired.
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    Belichick is a coach who is lucky enough to benefit from good players including Brady. As he’s said many times. Players win games. Coaches don’t but they can lose them.

    With that said Brady has been lucky too. Starting with his fumble in the tuck rule game.

  101. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:53 pm
    I’m pretty sure Brady threw 40 touchdowns in his first season with Tampa and took that 7-9 team to the super bowl and won. You guys can pretend that it never happened, but it did. The Patriots missed the playoffs that season.

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    No not exactly that 7-9 team. That 7-9 team didn’t have Gronk, AB, Fournette and other top talent on both sides of the ball.

    The Patriots were not a good team in 2020 but it wasn’t because of the downgrade at QB.

  102. If Brady and the offense didn’t convert three consecutive third down conversion in overtime, it’s another choke by Belichick’s defense, you mean? After all, they allowed 31 points.

  103. Oh, you mean all the players that Brady handpicked during the offseason for the Bucs? And I thought Brady was a system quarterback? Wasn’t he supposed to be awful in Tampa? It looks like your prediction was wrong. Wasn’t any quarterback supposed to come in and easily replace Tom in New England to win that “easy division?”

  104. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 8:57 pm
    If Brady and the offense didn’t convert three consecutive third down conversion in overtime, it’s another choke by Belichick’s defense, you mean? After all, they allowed 31 points.
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    The Patriots running game won that game. And Mahomes is awesome and so was that offense. Got some help from flags which was probably inevitable. The Patriots defense did well to shut them out in the first half.

  105. The Tommy fan club loves to point at the Patriots winning 12 games in 2019 and 7 the next year without Tommy…but the 2019 Pats played a very easy schedule and the defense was very good. Doubtful the Patriots QB and his sub 90 passer rating (ranked 18th in the league) make anyone outside the fan club’s top 10 reasons why they won that many games that year.

  106. The Patriots don’t have a running game, let alone a competent defense against playoff contenders without Tom taking less money all those years, Goodell. Look at where Cordarrelle Patterson is at now. I know it takes a team to win a super bowl, but you never gave Tom credit for any winning in New England.

  107. jameshodges says:
    November 20, 2022 at 9:16 pm
    The Patriots don’t have a running game, let alone a competent defense against playoff contenders without Tom taking less money all those years, Goodell. Look at where Cordarrelle Patterson is at now. I know it takes a team to win a super bowl, but you never gave Tom credit for any winning in New England.
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    Yes it does take a team to win. Tommy is not THE team.

    By his own admission he wasn’t taking less money as a team-first gesture it was because he was afraid Bill would send him packing if he asked for more. Maybe he was right who knows. Brady isn’t a team first guy. Hasn’t been for a long time.

  108. And what did Montana win without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, and David Clark?
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    He won 2 Super Bowls before Rice was drafted.

    He won a Super Bowl after Walsh retired, ‘89 being his best season as a pro.

  109. Tommy ain’t no GoAT. GOAts aren’t 1-6 vs Nick Foles and the Mannings in Super Bowls and conference championship games. Enough with that noise.
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    When you cherry pick that stat sure. But when Brady-led teams are 17-7 in Championship games and the SB combined, he clearly is the best.

  110. If the Patriots go 4-3 the rest of the way that will very likely be good enough to make the playoffs. Doable but won’t be easy with Andrews out and the rest of the OL who can’t protect Jones…

  111. dwqb11 says:
    November 21, 2022 at 6:21 am
    Tommy ain’t no GoAT. GOAts aren’t 1-6 vs Nick Foles and the Mannings in Super Bowls and conference championship games. Enough with that noise.
    ————-

    When you cherry pick that stat sure. But when Brady-led teams are 17-7 in Championship games and the SB combined, he clearly is the best.
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    Not just that he’s 1-6 vs Foles and the Mannings in those games. It’s that the 6 losses are all partially or entirely on Tommy. Tough stat to swallow for someone who’s supposed to be the greatest…

  112. Unless BB can pull a new O-Line out of a magic hat the Pats won’t make the playoffs. We lost Andrews yesterday too and if he’s out for an extended period it’ll just be that much worse. They can only cover up so much with schemes. One on one blocking all along the line is a problem and that is why Jones got sacked 6 times. Yes I’d like to see him getting rid of the ball quicker but the bigger problem is the blocking is failing him.

  113. lowlyfinfan88 says:
    November 21, 2022 at 1:41 am
    You know the Pats have fallen when they’re crowing over winning against the Jets 10-3.

    Yes, well they sure did have one heck of run didn’t they! 20 years of dominance like no other team ever. Must have really been lousy being one of the other AFC East teams during that 20 year period knowing the Pats were always going to dominate the division and your team stood no chance.

  114. diabolicalbill says:
    November 21, 2022 at 10:58 am
    Unless BB can pull a new O-Line out of a magic hat the Pats won’t make the playoffs. We lost Andrews yesterday too and if he’s out for an extended period it’ll just be that much worse. They can only cover up so much with schemes. One on one blocking all along the line is a problem and that is why Jones got sacked 6 times. Yes I’d like to see him getting rid of the ball quicker but the bigger problem is the blocking is failing him.

    Yeah they need to go unconventional until they get better talent up front. Something like “6th” offensive lineman or keeping a TE or RB home to block. Too bad they don’t have Gronk anymore his blocking was critical to spring that running game in 18 that won them a title.

  115. Not just that he’s 1-6 vs Foles and the Mannings in those games. It’s that the 6 losses are all partially or entirely on Tommy. Tough stat to swallow for someone who’s supposed to be the greatest…
    ————

    There you go again. So the losses are on Brady yet you say not a single win is because of him. Your superpowers of cluelessness strike again.

  116. dwqb11 says:
    November 21, 2022 at 12:00 pm
    Not just that he’s 1-6 vs Foles and the Mannings in those games. It’s that the 6 losses are all partially or entirely on Tommy. Tough stat to swallow for someone who’s supposed to be the greatest…
    ————

    There you go again. So the losses are on Brady yet you say not a single win is because of him. Your superpowers of cluelessness strike again.
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    Brady was awful in SB42, even worse in Super Bowl 46, did nothing in both Denver losses, put up a sub 80 rating in the Colts AFCCG and in the Eagles Super Bowl while he did play well for much of the game he had the ball down 5 with 2:30 left with a chance for a legacy sealing championship winning TD drive where for the first time he was putting his team on his back. Instead he decided to play hero ball for his stats, ignored James White wide open in the flat for the first down, got strip sacked and fumbled to lose the game.

    You’d rather me say he was blameless? I’d be lying.

    And what Super Bowl win was all because of Brady? There aren’t any. The comeback? The defense won that game shutting out the league MVP. Brady who threw a pick 6 earlier in the game was bailed out by Edelman on that miracle catch that was an awful throw that should have been picked. I’m sure Jimmy could have dumped off those little passes to James White and let him go to work. Malcolm Butler won Super Bowl 49. The Bucs defense held Mahomes to 9 points. Any QB could have won that one too.

  117. Reason #789 why BB is the best Coach of the 1980s and beyond era: Wilson threw for 355 3 weeks ago. He threw for 77 Sunday. And I am a J E T S fan who was alive (albeit in diapers for SB III). Reading the “it was all Brady” stuff is an insult to intelligent football fans. NE won 3 SBs with Brady being a game manager. Then they won 3 because of a Butler pick, Zebras swallowing flags as Falcons D-line was held on every drop back in 2H, & BB holding the Rams to under 10 points.

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