Walt Anderson on reversal of Hunter Henry touchdown: Ball touched ground and player lost control

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With Thursday night’s game tied at 23, the Patriots had the ball at the Minnesota six. It was third and goal.

Tight end Hunter Henry caught the ball at the goal line and reached it across before hitting the ground. He lost possession of the ball and then finished the catch in the field of play.

The official near the action ruled that it was a touchdown. The question on replay review became whether Henry kept possession after hitting the ground. NFL senior V.P. of officiating Walt Anderson, who handles all replay-review questions, ruled that the ball struck the ground when Henry landed, making it an incomplete pass.

After the game, Patriots coach Bill Belichick told reporters, “Why don’t you guys go to them with your pool reporter and ask them about the play? Isn’t that what you do?

Indeed it is. And indeed they did.

Here’s how Anderson explained the decision to pool reporter Mike Reiss of ESPN.com: “He was going to the ground, the ball ended up touching the ground and then he lost control of the ball in his hands.”

Why wasn’t Henry ruled to have possession before the ball hit the ground?

“Because as he’s going to the ground, he has to maintain control of the ball upon contacting the ground,” Anderson said. “The term that’s commonly used is ‘surviving the ground.’ A lot of people refer to that. So, as he’s going to the ground, he has the elements of two feet and control, but because he’s going to the ground, he has to maintain control of the ball when he does go to the ground.”

As Reiss pointed out to Anderson, Henry had two hands on the ball.

“Well, if he had maintained control of the ball with two hands, even if the ball were to touch the ground, if you don’t lose control of the ball after it touches the ground, that would still be a catch.”

The decision raises an interesting question as to the application of the “clear and obvious” standard. The ruling on the field was a catch for a touchdown. For replay review, here’s the proper question: Was the ruling on the field clearly and obviously wrong?

There are two separate components to the “clear and obvious” standard in this case. It was indeed clear and obvious that Henry lost possession when he landed and re-secured possession short of the end zone. That would have given New England the ball on the one-inch line, fourth and goal.

But was it clear and obvious that the ball struck the ground and moved sufficiently to make it not a catch at all?

Remember, reversals are supposed to happen only when it’s clear and obvious. Fifty drunks in a bar would have to agree, as it’s often described.

In this case, it seems clear and obvious that it wasn’t a touchdown. But it doesn’t seem clear and obvious that it wasn’t a catch; Henry’s hand was at all times under the ball. Thus, New England arguably should have had the ball just outside the Minnesota end zone, fourth and goal.

While it’s possible that the Patriots would have opted for the field goal and the 26-23 lead, the Patriots may have chosen to try to punch it in for a touchdown. If the process had been true to the “50 drunks in a bar” standard, the Patriots should have had that option.

94 responses to “Walt Anderson on reversal of Hunter Henry touchdown: Ball touched ground and player lost control

  1. What’s also clear is Walt Anderson needs a good pair of glasses and maybe he should have 50 drunks in the office with him to help make better calls

  2. It’s clear and obvious that it’s in the best interest of the NFL if the refs maintain a certain amount of control over the scoreboard, which has an awful lot to do with TV ratings, which has a lot to do with revenue. If you’re having a hard time digesting that, you have a problem. Nothing is going to get fixed that the league thinks is working perfectly fine. Deal with it.

  3. At first I was in the TD camp… he caught it… the ball then clearly bounced off the turf but landed on top of him…

    The I thought that if the ball bounced off the turf…

    It really didn’t matter what happened after.

  4. I don’t care what anyone says that play was unequivocally a touchdown when it is called that on the field. There was absolutely not enough evidence to overturn that call. The ball may have moved slightly on the ground but Henry kept his hands under the ball at all times and also had total possession when he speared the ball into the end zone. Once that happens, boom play is over that is a touchdown. Absolutely ridiculous

  5. I’m glad the Patriots lost. But if that wasn’t a catch, I don’t know what is anymore…

  6. Vegas wins again.
    Was clear and obvious a catch. New England would’ve scored on fourth and an inch. Vikings win another close game thanks to ooor officiating. 9-2 with a -+5 point differential is a joke

  7. I have no idea what a touchdown is anymore and neither do the officials.

  8. Total BS thats why a lot of fans turned the game off and arent watching as much. Ive been watching for over 50 years and even i went to bed because of this. Get the call right and use common sense! if we can see it at home then you can too. They ALWAYS get it wrong.

  9. “Henry’s hand was at all times under the ball” Then the above photo above must be from some other play.

  10. Not blaming the officials for the loss. Team didn’t play a complete game.

    If you play well enough one or two calls shouldn’t matter.

  11. I am having a bit of trouble reconciling two statements which are both apparently true.

    The ground cannot cause a fumble.

    The ground can cause an incompletion.

    If you consider each in isolation, I think they make sense, but I’m not sure how much sense they make when considered in the light of the other.

  12. Technicalities are so technical that people complain, “it shouldn’t be so technical.”

    Well, sorry. One way or another: you get technical or you get 50 drunks in a bar.

    Which do you want?

  13. This sort of play is happening over and over and the League that is now full on into gambling is making JUDGMENT CALLS. If you can’t tell after two -three watches of the tape then stay with the call on a field. The officials also missed an obvious holding call on the Kickoff TD, and an even more obvious facemask on the Mac Jones … but hey that’s the NFL,

  14. The reversal is consistent with how the NFL calls going to the ground. Any ball movement is potentially nullifying.

    The difference in this play was that Henry had possession and broke the plane of the end-zone. If he was a runner, it’s a TD.

    What makes this call difficult is that Henry had two hands on the ball at all times and never lost control even though the ball appears to turn in his hands. Is that really loss of control? The NFL says it is but common sense says it isn’t.

  15. If the ball broke the plane while held securely, which it did and was, I thought that means touchdown.

  16. Pats nation is now paying for all the DPI calls and lack of OL holding calls during the Brady Era.

  17. I think we’d all prefer 50 drunks in a bar over 3 old men squinting and whatever is happening “in the booth.”

  18. Even after the explanation I don’t see the controversy in this story. Either Henry maintained control and it was a TD or he lost control when the ball hit the ground and it was an incomplete pass. How is there in any way a third option where the TD doesn’t count but it is still a catch?

  19. Two other non calls that favored the Vikings were also game changers. The clear horse-caller of Duggar on the kickoff return and the clear PI against Bourne in the end-zone.

    There’s no crying about missed or questionable calls in the NFL. Henry should have secured the ball into his body. Duggar should have been ready to defend the TE coming right to left on 3rd and goal. Strong should have taken an angle that would have ensured he did hit the punter. The reverse to Bourne with goal to go was a horrible call. All three major penalties (two on Jonathan Jones and one on Bryant) were avoidable.

    The Patriots use to be the team that avoided these mistakes by and large. They weren’t last night.

    The Patriots didn’t play a clean game and it hurt them.

  20. Maybe karma for the Jesse James catch for Steelers vs Pats, yrs ago? It’s a fine whine in Boston. As usual.

  21. Henry’s hand was clearly between the ball and the ground the whole time. The ball moved before being finally secured but never touched the ground.
    He could juggle it all day as long as he’s in bounds and the ball doesn’t touch the ground, as long as he secures it in the end, which he did.

    Garbage call.

  22. The ‘clear and obvious’ part is what should be the guiding factor in replay reviews. As it works now, though, you’ve got a bunch of lawyers, insurance adjusters, and accountants looking at replays frame by frame on a Zoom call with another bunch of pedants in New York, all trying to apply standards like ‘surviving the ground’ what are mostly obvious calls.

    If the ruling on the field is obviously wrong – somebody stepped out of bounds, or did not get a first down, or did not cross the plane of the goal line – then it should be overturned. Otherwise, leave it as it was called in real time.

  23. You’re overcomplicating it. The ball moved because of contact with the ground meaning it helped him attempt to secure the ball. The way the rule has been applied for years that was obviously not a catch.

    They could go back to the old way of defining a catch and I’d be fine with it but they got that call right.

  24. Honestly I felt like this was pretty cut and dry non catch based on how the NFL rules have been implemented lately. Ball jarred loose on ground contact and hit the ground. I’m not really understanding all the concern over this play.

  25. I thought Hunter Henry had a touchdown, but to me the biggest official’s decision (or non-call) was the Vikings kickoff return for a touchdown where there was CLEARLY holding and it was at the point of attack right next to the ball carrier. That touchdown made the difference in the game for the Vikings. Not sure how refs didn’t see the infraction. I have seen kickoffs where penalties are called for much less that don’t even effect the play.

  26. And bad calls like this will continue to happen on a prime time stage until someone in the league decides to do something. Like cut into that near trillion dollar profit margin to pay someone to be a sky judge. Even if it were still a TD I think Minnesota would have found a way to win, Pats had no answer for Jefferson, but the stink remains.

  27. Um, this was a clear case of not maintaining possession through going to the ground. Not sure why it’s being over-analyzed. Pretty obvious the ball rolled after it touched the ground.

  28. As the league continues to redefine a catch and a touchdown they continue to get more ridiculous. Henry had control of the ball WHEN he crossed the goal line – nothing else matters. The BS about controlling it through the process of falling down, hitting the ground, rolling, etc. only muddies “the process”. Control when the ball crosses the goal line is the ONLY thing that matters.

  29. This is clearly Goodell cheating like he did in the same stadium in the sb on the Clement TD.

    Henry re-possessed the ball after the ball jostled, but his hand was always underneath it as see on the replay.

    It is 100% clear the refs, the tv refs like McCaulay, etc, already have pre-determined statements and reactions on those grey area calls which shouldn’t be grey area.

    Henry’s hands were underneath the ball like Kelce’s were just recently where it was called a TD.

    The cheating is absolutely outrageous. The Ham hold on Dugger on the kick off return was blatant and obvious as was the facemask on Mac Jones.

    Enough with the obvious cheating. Even a Pats hater could see it.

  30. “ Fifty drunks in a bar would have to agree, as it’s often described.”///// First of all, I’ve never seen this phrase anywhere except on PFT. Second of all, the ball hit the ground and he didn’t catch it cleanly. Not really a hard call to overturn. Unless one of your drunks is a Patriot fan, I suppose.

  31. With that said that’s the same Walt Anderson that excused an inadvertent whistle that should have blown a TD play dead in the Bengals Raiders playoff game last year….

  32. Go back and watch the play frame by frame. Clearly, Henry has control of the ball on both hands. One hand is under the ball and neither hand comes off of it when he breaks the plane, hits the ground and rolls over. The ball appears to move AFTER not when it hits the ground (hand still under) but neither hand comes off. It was called a catch on the field.

    NBC should have shown the frame by frame film. It was a catch even by the NFL’s rules.

  33. charliecharger says:
    November 25, 2022 at 2:04 am
    It’s clear and obvious that it’s in the best interest of the NFL if the refs maintain a certain amount of control over the scoreboard, which has an awful lot to do with TV ratings, which has a lot to do with revenue. If you’re having a hard time digesting that, you have a problem. Nothing is going to get fixed that the league thinks is working perfectly fine. Deal with it.

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    Many might call this cheating and consumer fraud, manipulating a product for financial gain.

  34. It’s very simple. The ball hit the ground and he momentarily lost control of it. No catch.

  35. tigerlilac says:
    November 25, 2022 at 6:50 am
    The reversal is consistent with how the NFL calls going to the ground. Any ball movement is potentially nullifying.

    The difference in this play was that Henry had possession and broke the plane of the end-zone. If he was a runner, it’s a TD.
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    Well….IF he had possession of the ball well before then it’s a td. But, he didn’t. A lot of you simply don’t like or understand the rules. He bobbled the ball while trying to make a catch. It touched the ground. It’s not that difficult. The plane of the goal line, or if he was at the 50 yard line, makes no matter in these facts.

  36. highdimension2015 says:
    November 25, 2022 at 6:36 am
    “Henry’s hand was at all times under the ball” Then the above photo above must be from some other play.

    Look at the photo again, He’s wearing gloves and the hand is clearly under the ball.

  37. iejdaniel says:
    November 25, 2022 at 8:30 am
    One think is clear and obvious.

    Minnesota – W
    New England – L

    On to the next game.
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    As a die-hard Patriots fan, I felt the Dallas thrashing on Minny was going to be a huge factor in yesterday’s game and if you heard Kevin O’Connell and others it certainly was. The Vikings did not appreciate being embarrassed like that and used it as added motivation against NE.
    I’m not a fan of comments like iejdaniel’s above, but that’s the bottom line, it’s a W for Minny and an L for NE and nothing is going to change that. So I have to simply let it go.

  38. gizzmonic says:
    November 25, 2022 at 8:42 am
    Thats how theese rigged outcomes are facilitated. Its all about Vegas
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    I’ve seen various versions of this, and I’ll explain why it’s ridiculous. Vegas does not care who wins. The spread is not set according to who might win. The spread is set to hopefully get 50% of bettors on both sides. Why? Because Vegas profits 10% on losing bets. The goal for Vegas is to always take the 10% “juice”.

  39. He didn’t bobble the ball. That’s an exaggeration. The ball turns but when it dies he has both hands on it in complete control.

  40. pkrjones says:
    November 25, 2022 at 8:33 am
    As the league continues to redefine a catch and a touchdown they continue to get more ridiculous. Henry had control of the ball WHEN he crossed the goal line – nothing else matters.
    ////
    You are simply projecting your opinion here. What you are not doing is actually applying the nfl rule of what is a catch. So, you’re wrong.

  41. tigerlilac says:
    November 25, 2022 at 9:33 am
    Go back and watch the play frame by frame. Clearly, Henry has control of the ball on both hands. One hand is under the ball and neither hand comes off of it when he breaks the plane, hits the ground and rolls over. The ball appears to move AFTER not when it hits the ground (hand still under) but neither hand comes off. It was called a catch on the field.

    NBC should have shown the frame by frame film. It was a catch even by the NFL’s rules.

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    McAulay’s quick and cheating commentary is what is most concerning. He is clearly told what to say. He is saying what doesn’t match the video replay.

    Goodell will pull this during a Super Bowl, so he has no issue doing it on Thanksgiving.

  42. Patriots fans couldn’t see the missed calls their team benefitted from with all those salty tears in their eyes. They got away with a face mask too, and an obvious false start. They just mad that without the GOAT, their coach looks more like NFL Saban than college Saban.

  43. The officials tried their BEST to give Buffalo the win when the Vikings played them & I’m a long time Bills fan! And explain to me again that there is absolutely without a doubt no connection between officials making these bad calls & legal NFL gambling!

  44. KnowsMoreThanYou is correct about Vegas. They take a “vig” and a “rake”. They don’t gamble themselves unless the odds compel an abundance of betting on one side of a line.

  45. Go find the articles on Google “‘Surviving the ground’ dead in the NFL! New catch rule passes” and “2018 NFL rule changes: New catch rule approved, ‘survive the ground’ no longer a factor”.

    So, in other words, the ref did not know the rule.

  46. Jesse James is saying hello. That was blatant cheating. Nice try. I know if I were Kraft and Goodell was trying to cheat me, he wouldn’t be at my wedding. Huge smokescreen.

  47. Like it or not it was the right call given the rules.

    When I saw it live I thought it either bounced off his hand and was a TD or it bounced off the ground and was incomplete.

    Replay showed the latter.

    Obvious incompletion.

  48. Mike is correct:
    “…..New England arguably should have had the ball just outside the Minnesota end zone, fourth and goal.”

  49. . They just mad that without the GOAT,
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    Belichick has never coached the GOAT. Bill Walsh did.

  50. The ball broke the plane of the goal line before Henry went to the turf.
    I think the NFL Refs and Replay blew it. How many times have you seen a dive play from the 1 where the back reaches out with the ball across the line,.. then the ball gets knocked out,…. no fumble. It’s called a TD.
    IMO, that’s no different than what occurred yesterday.

  51. That wasn’t a catch.

    Current rule is – if you go to the ground, you gotta maintain control. The ball both touched the ground as he went to the ground AND he lost control of the ball immediately.

    Clearly not a catch.

    The zebras have problems. but this call wasn’t one of them.

  52. The NFL will make a statement saying they got the call wrong, and we’re the dummies that keep crying about it. The NFL can get every call right if they thought it was profitable for the league. Clearly and obviously they’re not trying to get every call right. It’s a business, and just like most businesses, they’re just trying to maximize revenue and profits. If you look at it like that, it’s easy to understand what’s going on. Why do you think a record number of games are coming down to the final possession? Do you think people would rather turn their TV dial to a blowout or a one-possession game? Ask yourself. You have the answers. All the new rules are created for TV ratings, too. Why do you think they don’t allow defenders to touch a QB? Do you think ratings are higher when a future HOF QB is playing, or when a backup is playing? You have the answers. Don’t ask the league for answers you already have. The cost of the controversy surrounding all the bad calls is nothing compared to the TV revenue generated by competitive games, and star players. If bad calls were a problem, they wouldn’t show us the correct call in super-slow-motion zoom in video from 15 different angles. No, they’d let the guys officiating the games have the same access we have. Clearly and obviously, their goal isn’t to get all calls right. If we can’t see the clear and obvious, why do we expect others to see it?

  53. Fan of neither team. that was a catch and a touchdown. His hand was under the ball. Horrible call.

  54. Tony Awesome says:
    November 25, 2022 at 11:20 am
    The ball broke the plane of the goal line before Henry went to the turf.
    I think the NFL Refs and Replay blew it. How many times have you seen a dive play from the 1 where the back reaches out with the ball across the line,.. then the ball gets knocked out,…. no fumble. It’s called a TD.
    IMO, that’s no different than what occurred yesterday.
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    The difference is that in the case of a reception, the entire process of the catch must be completed for the offensive player to be deemed as a ball carrier. It’s kind of like a reception out of bounds in the end zone. The fact that the receiver possessed the ball within the airspace of the end zone means nothing if he doesn’t get two feet down to complete the catch.

  55. HERE’S A QUESTION FOR WALT ANDERSON why can a running back break the rend zone plane by an inch and it’s a touchdown immediately but a Wide Receiver has the catch the ball and perform all kind of circus acts of control for many seconds later ? the new rule is garbage i’m old enough to remember when that would have easily been a touchdown no questions asked. The competition committee lead by the ever incompetent Jeff Fisher created this idiotic unnecessary mess.

  56. My rule of thumb is this: if the replay team cannot IMMEDIATELY see on video review that the play called on the field was wrong, the play called in the field stands as called. If it takes the replay team an extended period of time, and frame by frame forward-reverse looks over and over, and deep pixel analysis, then it isn’t an obvious mistake call on the field.

    It took the replay team forever to make that call, and even after a long time they had to go back and chat more with the officials on the field. And all the varying options and differing options here just add to the confusion. The call on the files was not a clear and obvious mistake and easily overturned. It should have remained as called and allowed the game to continue.

  57. Why? Why would he have to “survive the ground?” If he makes the catch and his two feet hit the ground and he makes a football move to put the ball over the goal line, why does he need to also survive the ground in addition to the catch and the football move? Why would they require all of those things to rule it a catch? It’s not football at that point. If we were playing a thanksgiving football game that’s a catch. He had both of his feet hit the field of play, he caught the pass, and he made a football move. What does the ground have to do with anything AFTER he already has both his feet land in bounds?

  58. The point I would take issue with Walt Anderson about is that Henry’s hands on the ball did not shift one iota immediately before, during, nor immediately after the ball may have brushed the grass. The bobble occurred well after the ball was clear of the grass and was likely caused by the tackling defender, and Henry regained control with the ball touching the ground not going out of bounds. SO by my understanding, it seems like Henry did survive the ground. The only issue for me would have been whether or not the ball was across the plane or the end zone when he regained possession for good. I could not determine that from the replays shown on TV, so for me it would have been a “call stands.”

  59. AndyB says:
    November 25, 2022 at 12:42 pm
    Tony Awesome says:
    November 25, 2022 at 11:20 am
    The ball broke the plane of the goal line before Henry went to the turf.
    I think the NFL Refs and Replay blew it. How many times have you seen a dive play from the 1 where the back reaches out with the ball across the line,.. then the ball gets knocked out,…. no fumble. It’s called a TD.
    IMO, that’s no different than what occurred yesterday.
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    The difference is that in the case of a reception, the entire process of the catch must be completed for the offensive player to be deemed as a ball carrier. It’s kind of like a reception out of bounds in the end zone. The fact that the receiver possessed the ball within the airspace of the end zone means nothing if he doesn’t get two feet down to complete the catch.

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    Yes, but he did possess it finally with it just shy of the goal line. His glove was clearly underneath the ball. When his weight came down, the ball jostled, he rolled over and secured it.

    Corey Clement was deemed to have full control with 2 feet in during the sb in that stadium, which was a complete lie, obviously.

    His one hand was under the ball the entire time. It wasn’t a mirage.

  60. It’s really a simple explanation
    The refs are paid to control the scoreboard for vegas

  61. Tom Brady says:
    November 25, 2022 at 10:27 am
    Patriots fans couldn’t see the missed calls their team benefitted from with all those salty tears in their eyes. They got away with a face mask too, and an obvious false start. They just mad that without the GOAT, their coach looks more like NFL Saban than college Saban.
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    Yes “Tom Brady”, The Pats had a missed call or two go their way. I believe Trent Brown was involved in one. But whether Tom Brady had been present or not, how would he have prevented the roughing the kicker penalty on Pierre Strong?
    Without that hit it’s fourth down and Minny’s punting, instead it’s first down then a few plays later, TD Vikings. Strong screwed up royally. That was the difference in the game.

  62. What’s not real: hunter making that catch for a TD. What is for real: Vikings stopping the pats four times in the fourth quarter. Three words to describe the Vikings this year are Persevering, confident and clutch. Btw, Prime time Kirk threw for 299 and 3 TDs.

  63. packers76 says: “why can a running back break the rend zone plane by an inch and it’s a touchdown immediately but a Wide Receiver has the catch the ball and perform all kind of circus acts of control for many seconds later ?”
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    If the running back is bobbling the ball all the way into the endzone, it is NOT and td until he has full control of the ball.

    Same here, until the WR establishes full control, which here means “survive the ground”, it’s not a TD. Pretty simple – HOLD ONTO THE BALL and don’t let it touch the ground.

  64. Glad for your success, Vikings fans…..Hope it continues for your happiness.

    However, your memories are evidently poor: Do not raise your hopes too high…One or your fans wrote above:

    “Persevering, confident and clutch.”

    You could also use these words in Week 12 to describe several other failed Vikings teams.

  65. Did the ball cross the plane of the goal line before the officials said the ball moved after he hit the turf ?? 2ndly,… it was clear his hand was under the ball when he went down. Yes the tip of the ball touched the turf but Henry had control. It has to be clarified. Had this happened in the playoffs,.. there would be holy hell raised if that team lost by a couple points. Fans would be besides themselves angry.

  66. By rule it’s a catch. According to every official that sits in a booth so far. They said it was a catch.

  67. A number of people agree with the obvious. The league is manipulating the scoreboard. But I don’t believe it has anything to do with gambling. I think it’s all about TV ratings. Sponsors will pay a lot more money to advertise products if consumers are actually sitting there watching the commercials. If it’s a blowout, people find something else to do. All the big salaries and all the billions in profits are tied to TV ratings. Ask yourself this question; if your favorite team isn’t playing and you’re clicking around trying to kill a half hour, would you rather watch a 28-7 game, or a 24-21 game? Most would watch the one-possession game. That’s why refs are making calls or not making calls. They’re keeping games close. I noticed last year in the playoffs just about every game was decided on the final play. That means nobody got off their couch. Everyone saw all the commercials. Also, refs help keep every team alive with playoff hopes for as long as possible. Once teams are eliminated from playoff contention, the TV audience falls off significantly. Business 101 folks. Same reason for all the new rules that protect the QB. Ratings are high when guys like Mahomes and Brady are playing. Not so high when they’re on IR.

  68. “Belichick has never coached the GOAT. Bill Walsh did.” The greatest quarterback of all time only won four super bowls, three super bowl MVPs, and 16 playoff games? That’s comedy gold. Brady is the greatest, and it’s not even close.

  69. jameshodges says:
    November 25, 2022 at 9:58 pm
    “Belichick has never coached the GOAT. Bill Walsh did.” The greatest quarterback of all time only won four super bowls, three super bowl MVPs, and 16 playoff games? That’s comedy gold. Brady is the greatest, and it’s not even close
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    Tommy in Super Bowls: 95 rating, 7 ints including a pick 6
    Joe Cool in Super Bowls 125 rating ZERO ints.

    Any questions? 🙂

  70. And Montana never won a single super bowl without Bill Walsh. He led the league in touchdown passes just twice. Being a better quarterback in the super bowl doesn’t make one the greatest. Eli is not greater than Peyton. It’s about all accomplishments, period. That’s why Brady is the greatest of all time.

  71. Brady was never benched in a playoff game, unlike Montana against the Vikings. Remember when Cool Joe threw 40 touchdowns in two separate seasons of his career? Oh, that was Dan Marino.

  72. When you run the ball you have possession of it therefore only another player or the ball carrier can cause you to loose possession, the ground cannot. As a reciever/runner, the ball is caught steps are taken with ball control, or acts normal to a football action are taking so you have possession, the ground cannot cause a fumble. But if you are still in process of catching the ball, catching and going to the ground then the ground can cause you to not have possession. The receiver catching the ball has to demonstrate it has been caught. The crossing of the plain of the goal line. Once again you have to have posession of the ball. Even a runner if he is in the process of losing possession of the ball BEFORE he crosses the line and it is recovered by the other team it is not a touchdown even though the ball itself may break the plain with the player touching but not controlling the ball.

  73. On a day when the NFL is celebrating him, everyone seems to have forgotten their Madden:

    The ground cannot assist in the process of a catch. That’s clearly what was going on there. It wasn’t secured until after it hit the ground and bounced back up into Henry’s hands.

  74. Florio is right, his hand is under the ball-it’s a catch at the five-inch line, but not a touchdown.

  75. Clear and obvious non-catch. And I’ve seen dozens of same ruled same way.
    Only reason it got attention was:
    1) Tie game
    2) Prime time game
    3) Happened to Patriots
    4) Was on the goal line

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