Has the curtain fallen on the Patriot Way?

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Twenty-one years ago, the Patriots dynasty unofficially was born when the Tuck Rule salvaged a certain loss to the Raiders in the playoffs. On Sunday, in another game against the Raiders, the curtain finally may have fallen on the Patriot Way.

It’s been coming, slowly creeping down from the rafters to the footlights. But it quite possibly dropped the rest of the way when receiver Jakobi Meyers made the kind of boneheaded gaffe that teams coached by Bill Belichick never make.

Well, not never. Not anymore.

Obsessive focus on situational football? Nope.

Do your job? Double nope.

It was a failure of everything that made the Patriots a consistent contender and six-time champion under Belichick. Really, of all 32 teams in the NFL, most would have dubbed the Patriots the least likely to attempt a Stanford band play in a tie game.

As Hall of Fame head coach Tony Dungy says in the attached video, Belichick quite possibly is so focused on fixing the offense that he’s not spending as much time coaching other things. Some would say that Meyers didn’t need any specific coaching to not do what he tried to do.

Regardless, it’s not what the Patriots do. And ownership surely notices.

It’s very easy to stay the course when things are working. When things aren’t working, it becomes more difficult. Then comes the question of whether ownership even wants to stay the course.

Coaches constantly fire players, invoking “the best interests of the team.” How can the Krafts not at least ask the question of whether change is in the best interests of the team?

Yes, Belichick has won six Super Bowls. He also hasn’t won a playoff game since Super Bowl LIII. And he may not get a chance to lose another playoff game this year.

Again, it’s not “what have you done for me lately?” It’s “what are you doing for me right now, and what will you do for me tomorrow?”

Currently, Belichick continues to experiment with the offense, entrusting it to a couple of guys who were never offensive coaches. There has been unconfirmed chatter that Bill O’Brien will be back in 2023. Maybe it hasn’t been confirmed because it’s still not certain that Belichick will be back.

Ownership also needs to be sensitive to the customer base. Will they tolerate an extended period of failure, simply for nostalgia or blind loyalty or anything other than enjoying the relentless pursuit of more championships? At some point, the folks who buy tickets (or don’t) and support the team (or don’t) have a very loud voice.

Belichick surely wouldn’t be fired. Instead, word more likely would be circulated that Belichick is available to be hired away from the Patriots for fair compensation. And, surely, another team would be willing to give it a whirl with Belichick.

If, that is, he’s willing to coach elsewhere. No one knows the answer to that question, because that question has never been relevant. It may not be relevant yet, but it seems to be moving that way.

After yesterday’s embarrassment against the Raiders, it could be moving that way even faster.

128 responses to “Has the curtain fallen on the Patriot Way?

  1. Regardless, it’s not what the Patriots do. And ownership surely notices.

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    Bob Kraft has been watching and he is not impressed. One playoff appearance since Brady walked…..and it was a complete embarrassment. Oh yes, ownership notices

  2. New England has gone to 5 Superbowls in the last 10 years and won 3 of them. NO other team is even close to that.

  3. Yep.

    Technically, the Dynasty ended years ago. But symbolically, it ended yesterday. The Patriots are officially just another team.

    They had the best & longest run any fan of any sport could ever possibly hope to have. So, there’s that. I’m sure for most fans, whatever happens now is gravy, but it’s good to get back to some normalcy in the NFL and AFCE in particular.

  4. Belichick surely wouldn’t be fired. Instead, word more likely would be circulated that Belichick is available to be hired away from the Patriots for fair compensation.

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    Maybe a decade ago this would have been an intriguing idea but I really don’t think any team would give up much for a 71 year old head coach.

  5. This last draft was generally regarded as a good one but they haven’t drafted well before that in a long time. Jones and Zappey look like stop gap answers for QB at best and the receivers have been dreadful. Belichick probably gets to stay as long as he wants but I think it’s fair to ask if someone else could turn this thing around and if Belichick even wants to be there long term to do it.

  6. The Patriot Way is a fraud. They won because they had the greatest QB of all time who constantly bailed them out of poor drafts and poor coaching. The truth about is coming out now.

  7. He wants to beat Shula’s record for wins. That’s why he’s still coaching. It’s his last remaining goal.

  8. It might be too early to say the Jets are becoming the new Patriots, but it’s the perfect time to say the Patriots have turned into the new Jets.

  9. I dont think they should fire Belichick, he isnt just a Head Coach hes the EVP also. That means they need to hire a HC and GM and cut ties with most in the organization. Maybe the game has passed Bill by but I think he is still a good coach he has just surrounded himself poorly. Patricia if anything should be on the defense or in the front office. Judge should be coaching special teams. Yesterday was on the players, Meyers and Stevenson know better. Although Jones has been horrible also. Belichick always has had good defenses and special teams but the offense is one of the worst in the league. If they were average this team is obviously in the playoffs.

  10. Yes. It’s very apparent Tom Brady was at least 50% responsible for holding everyone accountable to the Patriot Way. Bad Personnel decisions, nepotism and ego has eroded their greatness

  11. This all on Belichick. If you are not going to throw a hail mary and maybe get a DPI and untimed down to attempt a field goal, then, the only play is to take a knee and go to OT. Being a Raider Fan it’s nice to be on the otherside of these types of plays/calls. Especially against the Pats!

  12. Obsessive focus on situational football? Nope.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Belichick’s defense was never “situational”. Just watch the last TD drive by Carr, he didn’t throw to Davante Adam at all, and Belichick had no answer. That is why Pats defense routinely collapsed against versatile offense and running QB, because Belichick didn’t know how to make adjustment.

    On offense, who doesn’t want to make adjustment based on what opponent defense puts on field? It is QB’s ability of mastering different offensive schemes that determines whether coaches can make adjustment.

  13. Weird season for the Patriots. Everyone rightfully predicted this coaching setup would be a disaster but Bill did it anyway, and we’re not closer to finding out if Jones is the QB of the future. Their most notable move was trading for an often injured (and injured now surprise surprise) Parker when it was clear as day this team needs playmakers to keep up with the modern game and the trend the league is going. Yet Bill is still building a team that would be pretty good in the late 90’s and early 2000’s… It’s almost like Bill is treating this season as “meh whatever”. SMH

    For me I think the Patriots really need to break this pattern of building a team and coaching staff by nepotism and cronyism. That never goes well. Remains to be seen if BB agrees that changes have to be made.

  14. We can all agree that the inauguration of Patriots Way was a manufactured outcome based on the prevailing NFL political pecking order

  15. I mean, they are 7-7 and could get to 10-7 and the playoffs. Lots of teams would love to be 7-7 right now coming off a playoff season last year (we won’t discuss how that ended). It looks different now without Brady and with other talent gone, but it isn’t as bad as Tampa Bay, Indy, or Arizona (I don’t list Houston because they are clearly tanking).

  16. Funny how “fans” are ready to draw and quarter a Hall of Fame coach, when stupid players make stupid mistakes.

  17. I would say that the answer is YES. The Patriots have gone from world beaters to a complete embarrassment. Something has got to give. The only thing that you could possibly defend in the game yesterday was the toe that was out of bounds on the TD catch by Coles. That should have been overturned. The rest is on the Patriots team and coaches. It’s time for the Krafts’ to have a serious conversation with Belichick. They have been terrible since Brady left.

  18. The structure and discipline required for winning has absolutely collapsed as has the competency in many phases of the game disappeared through attrition and retirement.

    It is one thing to see a winning franchise begin to lose as much, if not more, as they once won. It is quite another to see that same franchise implode late in games and literally throw them away.

    Lateralling the ball in that situation is akin to a child putting a paperclip into an electrical socket, you need only have the conversation once about not doing it. It makes one wonder what the internal indoctrinations are now that players would even consider such an action, much less actually do it.

    The Patriots are a long, long way from, “Do your job.”

  19. bradygirl12 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 12:03 pm
    I would say that the answer is YES. The Patriots have gone from world beaters to a complete embarrassment. Something has got to give. The only thing that you could possibly defend in the game yesterday was the toe that was out of bounds on the TD catch by Coles. That should have been overturned. The rest is on the Patriots team and coaches. It’s time for the Krafts’ to have a serious conversation with Belichick. They have been terrible since Brady left.

    I dunno their offense was pretty bad in 2019 and that was with Brady.

  20. Id take Belichick with a losing team than every other coach in the league. Because when he gets it right, its gonna be right for a long time. Everything is cyclical. Give him another two years.
    As you saw last night, its the team, not the coaching. If Mac keeps going 13/30 for 112 yards, it wont be long now.
    They are proven coaches.

  21. Someone needs to open a rehab center for Patriots fans because they are having severe withdrawal symptoms.

    Did y’all really think the GOAT was going to leave and the Patriot way would simply continue? BB has a losing record without Tommy. The Patriot way was the Brady way.

  22. Because when he gets it right, its gonna be right for a long time.

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    He will never get it right unless he has a QB who has the skills of turning cheap receivers into top play makers, then he will shamelessly take all the credits.

  23. A long string of poor drafting, the GOAT who won all the rings is gone, a 1st round QB who didn’t look good at his pro day and hasn’t really looked consistently good since (despite the pundits continuing to talk about how much he’s “progressing”), a horrible decision to make a guy with mostly defensive coaching experience the primary play caller, and we’re asking if the curtain has fallen on all the winning, and more specifically, if coach who won all those rings should go.

    Meanwhile, the dates on those Lombardis get further and further into the past.

    I gotta say…if these conditions were true of any franchise that didn’t have a trophy case full of Lombardis won by the guy who still paces the sidelines, this wouldn’t even be a question. The question would just be “how hot is the coach’s seat?”

    So how much back credit does the coach get?

    Whether there was a boneheaded play to end yesterday’s game or not, it looks pretty bad in Foxboro.

  24. They won because they had the greatest QB of all time

    No they didn’t. Joe Montana never played for the Patriots.

  25. Patricia and Judge have zero clue what’s going on. Patricia is not a play-caller he just calls plays. It seems like he is so confused by what’s happening and just starts taking stabs in the dark. Zero flow to that offence. Fire both now as Mac has regressed big time.

  26. Tie game! That blame is 100% coaching. NEVER take a crazy chance where more bad is bound to happen than good in a tie game.

  27. It is absolutely necessary for Matt Patricia to be removed as an offensive coach. I don’t know any Patriots fan who doesn’t believe that strongly. A real OC, with real credentials and the title needs to come on board. Stop with the “we’re not big on titles around here BS.” That attitude ensures you’ll never get a really good coach.

    I hope the Krafts tell BB what needs to be done and that he does it. If he digs in his heels, only then would I think it could be time to draw the curtain on the BB era. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

  28. Patriot fans are like entitled spoiled kids who got kicked out of the house by Tom Brady when they turned 18 and they’ll never get let back in.

  29. let’s play along and say they make Bill available , I can think of 10 teams that would take him in a minute.

    Next who replaces him?

    The head coach isn’t the problem, the defense isn’t the problem.
    The Bill the GM is the problem. The smallest coaching staff in the league is the problem.
    You let a defensive coach become the offensive coordinator and offensive line coach and a special teams coach a become a QB coach

    BB is spreading himself to thin.
    This off-season hire a real Offensive Coordinator and a real O line coach. And get one TRUE #1 WR.

    to suggest he’s no longer a good coach is ridiculous.
    I said on another article of BB was the coach of the Bills the last 3 seasons they would have won at least one SB by now.

  30. Bill is safe…. Some of his key staff is not!!!
    If Bill fights Kraft about it, Bill will no longer be safe…

  31. Before the Tom Brady Era the Patriots were the 4th most popular Pro team in Boston.
    Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics and Then Patriots. When they won their first Superbowl and had their Parade / Rally when the Patriots were on stage what was the cheer from the Fans ?
    “Yankees Suck, Yankees Suck, Yankees suck !” When they had QBs like Tony Eason the Patriots were averaging attendence in the 20-30,000 range. Not to say Boston Fans are LA front running fans because they’re not. Patriot fans got a little spoiled during the Brady Era. They came to expect to go to the Superbowl.There are many solid Patriot Fans who have been around since Babe Parilli was throwing to Gino Cappelletti. It is easy to cheer for a team when they are going to the Superbowl. Supporting your team when they are down is much more difficult. Time to decide what kind of fans you want to be.

  32. The “Do Your Job” mantra that Belichick preached for years has oness on the boss as well. You don’t hire a plumber to do electrical work and just expect them to “Do Their Job” and it will work out great. The entire Patriots staff is a bit of a joke if you compare it to successful teams in the leauge

  33. religionisforidiots says:
    December 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm
    Tom Brady was “The Patriot Way”, frauds without him.

    Tom BRady has a losing record without Belichick or Arians, proving that he is nothing more than a product of a great team around him with great coaching and defense. Now that he doesn’t have any of that we saw the results. Like any system QB he is only as good as the team around him and can’t make them better on his own.

  34. I dunno their offense was pretty bad in 2019 and that was with Brady.


    The offense was bad in 2019 because they had no weapons at TE or WR they we’re making trades during the season to try and get help because the GM can’t draft WR

    Same reason A Rogers suddenly doesn’t look good. Not because he is just bad all off a sudden he has to weapons of not for the two RB they may have only 3 wins.

  35. Since Brady’s departure the Patriots are 6-14 vs. teams with a winning record (as of this week) and 2 of those wins were vs. the Jets this season. Belichick is trying to wear too many hats and having two scrubs coach the offense was one of the worst mistakes of his coaching tenure. He needs to drop his kid as the defensive coordinator as well. If Bill doesn’t change and this begins to effect Kraft’s bottom line the end is very near for Darth Hoodie.

  36. Word was that Belichick didn’t even want Mac Jones and the Krafts made that pick. He certainly doesn’t look like he’s a fan most weeks. That’s the beginning and end of the issues. The defense is stellar despite yesterday. The special teams are steallar. The QB is a bakcup level talent with an entitled attitude. Funny to look back at all of the idiots calling him the next great one last year when he got set up by his defense more than anyone in the league.

  37. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving team and fan base.
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    Just knowing how hurt you have been over the years makes up for it.

  38. digilat7 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

    It appears the Patriots success had more to do with Brady than Belichick

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    It was Gronk all along. Without Gronk, Brady and the Patriots are struggling.

  39. No they didn’t. Joe Montana never played for the Patriots.
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    Still trying to convince your own self with that nugget. Montana was not even the best 49er QB.

  40. It’s not the players or the drafting it’s the idiot coaches he put in charge. It’s like sandlot football drawing things up in the dirt. Coaching Malpractice 101!

  41. I can see the Patriots and Belichick “mutually agreeing” to part ways at the end of this season.

  42. I can’t wait till Bill brings back Bill O’Brien next season… and make him linebackers coach

  43. it’s not like they’re going to win any of the next 3 games anyway, so that bone-head play will be a moot point regarding playoffs

  44. That lateral pass was delicious on several levels: (1) The Cheaters were too cute by half (2) and the Raiders won because of welfare.

  45. He is sticking around to break Shulas all time wins record. He needs 21 more wins to pass him.

  46. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm
    bradygirl12 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 12:03 pm
    I would say that the answer is YES. The Patriots have gone from world beaters to a complete embarrassment. Something has got to give. The only thing that you could possibly defend in the game yesterday was the toe that was out of bounds on the TD catch by Coles. That should have been overturned. The rest is on the Patriots team and coaches. It’s time for the Krafts’ to have a serious conversation with Belichick. They have been terrible since Brady left.

    I dunno their offense was pretty bad in 2019 and that was with Brady.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    No argument here…you are correct.

  47. Belichick needs 31 wins to pass Shula. That could take 5 years with this roster. How can ownership and fanbase endure this inferior product for that long?

  48. I only watched the time when they played my favorite team, but there were a ton of uncharacteristic mental mistakes in that game.

  49. Tom Brady was the Patriot way…and the fact he always played on a hometown discount certainly helped their cause as well.

  50. It’s not the players or the drafting it’s the idiot coaches he put in charge. It’s like sandlot football drawing things up in the dirt. Coaching Malpractice 101!

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    FIre Patricia now, he cant handle the job and Jones if totally confused by the direction of the offense and should be.

  51. It will be fitting if NE somehow wins the next three games against the Bengals, Miami, and the Bills then misses the playoffs, partly because of this bonehead play. And I’m a long-time Pats fan.

  52. Present day, yes. Oh, one of the losses was to the Eagles. Note the 49ers won five Super Bowls in 13y between 1981 and 1994. Four of those in one decade.

  53. Is this a serious question?

    Did it ever exist without Brady?

    Perhaps they should call it the Brady Way.

  54. What more evidence does one need to see that it was always Brady.

    If only Brady could have played for a coach like Bill Walsh. He’d have 10 or more SB’s instead of the measley 7 he has now.

  55. Without Brady he’s mediocre at best and always has been. The record is quite clear. This nonsense last night gave me great joy…but, He’s a genius!!!

  56. If only Brady could have played for a coach like Bill Walsh. He’d have 10 or more SB’s instead of the measley 7 he has now.

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    Walsh never won anything without Montana, in fact his record is 2-14 without him.

  57. Every coach like every player has his sell by date…….Bill has surrounded himself with very poor coaching staff, is sticking with a very poor QB and very poor WR.
    It’s all down on him, for me it’s time to go and No
    It wasn’t the Brady way, look at him this and last season in Tampa! As bad as Mac Jones

  58. We continue to provide the NFL with every conceivable advantage to ensure that calls are correct. The touchdown catch by the Raiders was not a catch at all, the ill-advised lateral and subsequent winning TD should have never occured. The “call on the field” is flawed I don’t care how grainy the video was, the front of the foot was out of bounds-no catch!

  59. The “Patriot Way” has always been to draft the best QB of all time in the 7th round. convince him to take cap friendly deals for 15 years. That is it. THE PATRIOT WAY

  60. Sean Payton coming to the Pats and it’s going to shock everyone except those reading this comment.

  61. If Hunter Henry TD is called properly or that Raiders TD is called properly Pats are 9-5 and playoff bound. BB getting fired? Give me a break.

  62. I think if Belichick were seriously considering retirement, McDaniels would still be on the sideline and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Coach B will figure it out in the offseason.

  63. Kraft should ask BB to retire.

    I’d live to see what BB could do at the Naval Academy as his twilight gig.

  64. Of course not. They just need a real OC and they’ll be fine. They have a great defense, solid components on the offense, and are very competitive in their division.

    They just need a real, capable, experienced OC, and maybe other offensive coaches too. The coaching experiment this year hasn’t worked – fans know it, Jones knows it, everyone knows it.

    One mental lapse on a play doesn’t mean anything. It was a crazy situation.

  65. This constant knee jerk reaction to a great coach having team struggles ignores the obvious question: if you boot a great coach, can you improve the teams’ potential to win by doing so? My guess is you won’t do a much better than Bill B.

  66. BB just needs a game plan to beat not only the team he’s playing, but Goodell and his minion refs.

    How can you people not see this??

  67. This is just a failed BB experiment…. Pats lost their offensive coordinator, he took 1/2 the Patriots assistant coaching staff with him & there was really nobody out there he could grab so he went with guys he knew & was familiar with even though they were not qualified for those respective positions…..it’s backfired badly & some major coaching moves will be made as Kraft will demand it…. If Bill won’t humble himself & correct his mistakes, ANYTHING becomes possible at that stage…..ANYTHING!!

  68. Letting got off (or letting him walk) the Greatest Coach of All time would be just as stupid as letting the GOAT QB go.
    Kraft will not do that twice.

  69. There are 2 major problems. The GM is a poor talent evaluator and no longer care about the “long term” health of this team. There is no offensive coordinator. These 2 things must change before the team wins again. A real GM would realize this team has virtually no young, core talent. Stephenson is really the only young star. Young, good free agents are going to the teams with young stars and a long term plan. That’s not NE and that needs to change quickly. IF BB wants to stay, he needs to step aside for a good young GM and hire the same at Offensive coordinator. I doubt that he will, but you won’t have to fire him. He’ll walk away and resurface with a bad team who’s desperate enough to hire an old coach.

  70. Brady played a Ben Roethlesberger type role in New England’s 1st three SuperBowls. Just don’t screw it up kid.
    Anyone who paid attention in the early 2000’s know this.

  71. The Pats really sucked yesterday, it’s true. But every commenter above talking about Brady the god of football obviously didn’t watch the game he and his team played. I had to see it, because the Patriots aren’t televised too often where I live. If they had seen it, there wouldn’t be all this nonsense about how Tom can make any offense great by just stepping on the field. He threw 2 INTs and I think was responsible for one of the Buc’s fumbles. But I agree, the Patriots were terrible, and if they had won, it would have been an incredibly uninspiring victory.

  72. Tom Brady is nothing but a nice little system QB with a little arm who never could elevate inferior teams to greatness that’s just a myth. Tommy is only as good as the team around him and his coaching.

    He’s Alex Smith. Nothing more. Nothing less.

  73. Bill Belichick is, simply put, a man of his times yet not of our times. In some ways BB still thinks football is like it was back in 1975, his first year on a coaching staff with the Baltimore Colts. Through 1990, the quarterbacks that Belichick coached (Bert Jones, Greg Landry, Craig Morton, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostettler) were merely game managers who had occasional flashes of success. None of them will make the Hall of Fame, although Phil Simms should be considered the best among equals. It was the defensive players that led those teams to playoff success and, with the New York Giants, 2 Superbowl appearances and winning both the Super Bowl and the best record in the game. These players included Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Lem Barney, Tom Jackson, Randy Gradishar, Carl Banks, Lyle Alzada and Mike Barnes. The first four named are Hall of Famers, and Randy Gradishar should go in along with Carl Banks.

    Now, BB has been a head coach in the NFL since 1991; I count the Patriots 1996 season as effectively a head coach season and same goes for the Jets of 1997-1999. Bill Parcells really was not hands on during those seasons for those of us who followed. Up to his return to New England in 2000, Bill Belichick coached quarterbacks who were prototypical of the record setting ones today. Even so, none of them (Bernie Kosar, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde) are in the Hall of Fame either. Only Bledsoe comes close. It was a combination of defensive players, special team’s players and some reasonable lineman and scorers (Kevin Mawae, Curtis Martin, Ben Coates) that made these teams successful. Indeed, part of the reason that apart from 2000 the New England Patriots were able to win straight up was Belichick’s familiarity with the 1996 team who mostly stayed during those first 3 super bowl wins. Players like Ty Law, Adam Vinatieri, Teddy Bruschi, Willie Mcginness, David Patten, Troy Brown and a few others. A defensive team teaming up with a head coach who is primarily defensive in game action. Yet, with Tom Brady, a burgeoning offensive juggernaut ready to break records.

    How it was sustained to last 20 years (2000-2019/20) I think was in how the Pats became more offensive minded once Rob Gronkowski was drafted in 2010. Gronk really was the difference maker, for Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, and more so for Tom Brady. Though a tight end, he was the Jerry Rice to Brady’s Joe Montana/Steve Young. And I think had Gronkowski stayed in New England in 2019, they may have won a seventh ring that season. We know that for Tampa Bay their most exciting games from 2020-2021 were when there was a touchdown by #87. In short, we see where Kraft, Belichick, Brady and both the Patriots and Buccaneers are at when Gronkowski is not there. Football men and teams clinging to an NFL of their younger years; not the NFL that is today.

    As of tonight, the Patriots could still conceivably make the playoffs. The Buccaneers less so. Maybe a reunion of the dynasty is in the cards, if just for one last drive to another ring. Or, more likely, 2022 is the end of the line for the careers of Belichick and Brady. Maybe it is better to end it and rebuild.

    Lax39

  74. Brady will prove in the playoffs this year that he doesn’t need Gronk, Antonio Brown, or even Belichick at the age of 45 to win an eighth ring. He’ll win it all with a 9-8 record. By the way, he won Super Bowl LI against the Falcons without Gronk as well. Just saying. Gronk wasn’t the common denominator.

  75. If the refs didn’t blow the call, the Patriots would have pulled off an amazing come from behind victory, and we’d be talking about what a genius Belichick is, and Mac Jones is taking a step toward the elite group of young QBs. Do I’m supposed to start trashing Belichick because the refs blew the call? Ok. Yeah. Right. Got it. Lol

  76. Being from Buffalo, I feel for you guys. Losing sucks, and knowing you’re going nowhere fast is even worse. Take a second with these feelings, and think…what would it be like to feel like this for TWENTY STRAIGHT YEARS? Hell, my first football memories of the Bills weren’t even until a few years after their repeated Superbowl runs. I remember nothing but what it’s like to lose. But I feel for you guys, to a degree.

    On the other hand, it is insanely refreshing to watch this happen to you guys. No fan base is more deserving. Watching Miami and the Jets also become better than you guys is beyond an added bonus. Sorry, not sorry.

    Yours truly,
    The entirety of the Buffalo fanbase,
    #BillsMafia

    P.S. Don’t forget to purchase your replacement Gillette cartridges next time you’re out.

  77. It was a combination of defensive players, special team’s players and some reasonable lineman and scorers (Kevin Mawae, Curtis Martin, Ben Coates) that made these teams successful.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is what Belichick the garbage had thought. I guess you don’t even know where Pats defense has been ranked in last 2.5 seasons.

    It is unbelievable that the fans of this garbage still haven’t realized that BELICHICK’S DEFENSE WAS A PAPER TIGER; It is unbelievable that the fans of this garbage still haven’t realized that BELICHICK NEEDS OFFENSE, to get first round bye, to win two playoff games, to accomplish something.

  78. “We will let Thurman Thomas run 100 yards.” that was the game plan of the garbage against Bills in SB 91.

    Did any fans check how it worked in the games?

    When Giants led 17-12 in later 3rd quarter, the defense of the garbage allowed Thomas running 9 and 31 yards, scored a TD (17-19).

    Then after Giants put on a drive of SEVEN MINUTES and scored a FG to retake the lead, the defense of the garbage allowed Thomas running 11 and 22 yards, and gave Bills a chance to win the SB.

    Of course, Belichick the garbage shamelessly thought his defense won the SB, like the garbage shamelessly thought his defense won the first 3 SB, which is why he is screwed now, by himself and his fans.

  79. Sorry, having just a little bit of a hard time feeling bad for Patriots fans, that is if the era is really truly over. (Which it may not be- a season can fall apart because of 2-4 plays per game- that’s 60 minutes of play in a 17 game season).

    Thank your lucky stars that you had a 20 year period of sustained success brought to you by the guys you’re currently so upset with: BB, TB12, & Mr Kraft. You should be thanking your lucky stars, your parents didn’t raise you in a different NFL city…
    Signed
    fans from Jacksonville, Detroit, Houston, San Diego, Cleveland, Buffalo, Carolina, Minnesota or Tennessee
    (We’re all still looking for the 1st SB win)
    P.S. That commenter who mentioned Gino Capelletti? You’re just awesome man!

  80. fans from Jacksonville, Detroit, Houston, San Diego, Cleveland, Buffalo, Carolina, Minnesota or Tennessee

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The team Brady took over in 2001 was worse than every of them.

    Basically, when they were 0-2 when Bledsoe was injured, they were not even among top 5 0-2 teams experts thought would make playoff.

  81. You know what would be funny? If all you BB haters got your way and Kraft fired him and then hired a great new coach / GM!!

    That would be hysterical!

  82. stunt858 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 9:56 pm
    Being from Buffalo, I feel for you guys. Losing sucks, and knowing you’re going nowhere fast is even worse. Take a second with these feelings, and think…what would it be like to feel like this for TWENTY STRAIGHT YEARS? Hell, my first football memories of the Bills weren’t even until a few years after their repeated Superbowl runs. I remember nothing but what it’s like to lose. But I feel for you guys, to a degree.

    On the other hand, it is insanely refreshing to watch this happen to you guys. No fan base is more deserving. Watching Miami and the Jets also become better than you guys is beyond an added bonus. Sorry, not sorry.

    Yours truly,
    The entirety of the Buffalo fanbase,
    #BillsMafia

    P.S. Don’t forget to purchase your replacement Gillette cartridges next time

    _______________________________________________

    Yeah they’re awful all right. I was watching a game the other day that had to be stopped because that awful fan base was throwing ice balls at the other team, Real Classy huh,

    Oh wait, what? Never mind

  83. BB and the so called Patriot way has always been a farce. People came to the Patriots and PUT up with BB and his ignorance because they could win with Brady. BB has never been a winner otherwise and has never been a genius who was a step ahead as people thought. He had one talent and that being a D coordinator. So maybe, as he keeps stepping in it, people will figure that out. The Patriot way does not work when you can’t win.

  84. Weakling arms like Brady who had to cheat to be good shouldn’t ever be acknowledged as one of the greats in the game.

  85. “Pats lost their offensive coordinator, he took 1/2 the Patriots assistant coaching staff with him & there was really nobody out there he could grab”
    __________

    Other teams lose coordinators and don’t end up with the DC becoming the OC. And McDaniels was rumored to be the Raiders guy right after Gruden was sacked so Pats had like half the season to put feelers out for his replacement. Let’s say they’d hired a real OC and things hadn’t worked out. They just get somebody else. Simple. But look at their scenario now. Does the new OC have to take input from Patricia and Judge (both who’ll be kept on the staff) just to avoid tension? That’s the sort of questions a top OC is going to ask when considering the job and with the championship years fading into the rearview mirror the Pats culture simply isn’t very appealing to new hires. It’s very insular and guys like Patricia have tons of pull despite never proving to be overly good at anything.

  86. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 20, 2022 at 8:04 am
    Weakling arms like Brady who had to cheat to be good shouldn’t ever be acknowledged as one of the greats in the game.

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    Are you as sure of that as you were that Brady walked off the field last week without congratulating the 49’ers?

  87. bluenoser12 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 3:20 pm
    If Hunter Henry TD is called properly or that Raiders TD is called properly Pats are 9-5 and playoff bound. BB getting fired? Give me a break.

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    I love this comment. So many fans see their teams as being one play, one player, one coach away from greatness. But 99% of the time its just fools gold.
    This Patriot team is the epitome of average. They fool you with a series, a quarter or even a whole game of excellent football. Just to show you the other side of the coin, total incompetence.

  88. Of course, Belichick the garbage shamelessly thought his defense won the SB, like the garbage shamelessly thought his defense won the first 3 SB, which is why he is screwed now, by himself and his fans.
    ==========

    The Bills scored 95 points in their 2 Playoff games. A 51-3 pasting of the Raiders, which to this day is the most lopsided Playoff game I had ever seen.

    It took Marv Levy almost 3 quarters to realize the defense was giving him the run. Yes, if they had realized it sooner, the D could have been in BIG trouble. But thats not what happened.

    Kinda like talking about The Pass. Whats the point?

    Bottom line; “The Garbage” playsheet from that is immortalized in Canton. Regardless of your opinion on it.

  89. Bottom line; “The Garbage” playsheet from that is immortalized in Canton. Regardless of your opinion on it.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Had everything a DC could ask for, played less than 20 minutes and still gave Bills a chance to win.

    Not HOF game plan, period.

  90. Feels like Bill and the team misses Ernie Adams a lot these days.

    If you want Matt Patricia in the organization that is the role for him not the OC. I would be ok with him moving upstairs into that role and finding a real OC.

  91. Not HOF game plan, period.
    ==========

    It is L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y on display in Canton.

  92. Feels like Bill and the team misses Ernie Adams a lot these days.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not sure who was responsible for that Ravens led 14 points twice in 2014 season playoff against Pats; Not sure who was responsible for that Seahawks scored a quick TD before half time; Not sure who was responsible for that Seahawks were able to drive into 5 yard zone within last minute.

    Which garbage was it, Ernie Adams or Belichick?

  93. Not HOF game plan, period.
    ==========

    It is L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y on display in Canton.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Ya, put it in in 2005, when the fans of the garbage desperately want to make the garbage look like a genius because they couldn’t tell what made Brady special.

  94. Ya, put it in in 2005, when the fans of the garbage desperately want to make the garbage look like a genius
    ==========

    After going 3 for 4, right? Do you know how many teams have done that?

    And do I need to remind you, that remains the last team to repeat as Champs?

  95. Feels like Bill and the team misses Ernie Adams a lot these days.
    ==========

    Matt Walsh too.

  96. After going 3 for 4, right? Do you know how many teams have done that?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ya, name another QB who could save the team from own 3 yard line and put offense in FG range in last 1.5 minutes with Troy Brown? name another QB who could score 24 or more in back to back playoff games with Deion Branch as #1 receiver.

    Without Brady, the 2001 Pats would be like 2020 Pats; the 2003 and 2004 Pats would be like 2021 Pats. Haven’t you learned something from last 2.5 seasons?

  97. 2003 Patriots – #1 defense… 12th offense
    2004 Patriots – #2 defense.. #4 offense.. Corey Dillon racked up 1600 rushing yards

    Those defenses carried Brady. He couldn’t even manage a 90 passer rating, or 30 td passes.

  98. I agree that the problem is not the players, per se, but the various coaches. It feels like BB is coaching his coaches and not his players. He’s trying to teach guys he likes to do things they haven’t done. But how much time will that take? The owner invests the big money in the players, so squandering those investments to “develop” coaches is a misallocation of resources. You can give him a pass on “developing” his son as a coach (a bit, after all Bill learned from his Dad too) but to try to do this with 3-4 coaches at once results in the disaster we have witnessed. The off season will be interesting.

  99. Doesn’t matter. Pats needed offense to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games, no other QB would be able to do it with the squad given by BeliCHEAP.

  100. marcuswelby70 says:
    December 19, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    Funny how “fans” are ready to draw and quarter a Hall of Fame coach, when stupid players make stupid mistakes.
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    Belicheck was a fired ex-Browns coach with a losing record when he was hired to be the Pats head coach. Belicheck went 5-11 in his 1st season as the NE head coach. Belicheck fluked getting Tom Brady in the 6th round, and Brady lead the team to a dynasty until Brady left for Tampa. Brady then won a super bowl for Tampa & NE missed the playoffs. Obviously Brady is who made Belicheck, not the other way around.

  101. You get the feeling they are conducting preseason style experiments during the regular season. I wonder if this year is a tune up for Patricia and Joe Dirt to move up the coaching ranks. The manner in which they’ve traded picks away for Jonnu Smith and Matt Judon seems contrary to the Patriot way. I won’t dismiss BB yet but you start to wonder if the game is starting to pass him by Al Davis style

  102. Belicheck was a fired ex-Browns coach with a losing record when he was hired to be the Pats head coach.
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    Belichick playoff wins with Browns: 1
    Browns playoff wins post-Belichick: 1 (in 23 seasons)

  103. Bob Kraft may be watching, but it’s Jonathan Kraft that really matters at this point. He stated clearly the Bill deserves the benefit of a doubt. My guess is he gets 2 or 3 more years at least.

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