A Derek Carr benching would be a clear precursor to Carr being cut

NFL: DEC 24 Raiders at Steelers
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Earlier this week, Raiders coach Josh McDaniels didn’t rule out benching quarterback Derek Carr for (checks online depth chart) Jarrett Stidham.

“I think there’s a possibility that we would do the right thing, regardless of the position, in terms of the team,” McDaniels told when asked by reporters about the possibility of having Carr take a seat.

Doing the right thing in this specific case relates to the reality that Carr has $40.4 million in injury guarantees that become fully vested if he can’t pass a physical before the third day of the 2023 waiver period, when that money becomes fully guaranteed. Benching Carr would be less about trying to win games and more about ensuring that Carr doesn’t end up with the kind of injury that would prevent him from being released before the guarantee convert from injury only.

Because the guarantees kick in before the start of the league year, the Raiders can’t officially trade Carr prior to the arrival of the relevant deadline. They can, in theory, work out a trade informally in advance of the vesting of the guarantees, with the trade becoming official once the league year opens in March.

It would be much more of a leap of faith than teams usually make when striking unenforceable trades. If the new team backs out, the Raiders would be holding a $40.4 million bag.

So the cleanest move would be to cut Carr. And the safest way to ensure that he won’t be owed another $40.4 million would be to bench him.

If/when he’s benched, that’s the clearest signal that the next move will be for Carr to no longer be a Raider.

65 responses to “A Derek Carr benching would be a clear precursor to Carr being cut

  1. The Steelers didn’t only win the game, we destroyed that franchise. We basically ended the raiders as a team. Welcome to the next ten years of rebuilding. Don’t mess with the Steel City!

  2. Trade him and get something? There’s always a franchise willing to overpay for a QB, right? Does Davante Adams come along with him?

  3. At this point, it will be better for both parties to move on. Let him try his luck elsewhere and same for the team. Clearly it won’t work out. Unfortunately they decided to hire McDaniels for the salvage operation. Yeah, that was gonna get it done…

  4. Carr had his day in the Sun. Time to move on. No doubt Derek will suddenly fix some of his problems he has not fixed in 9 years with the Raiders. That’s how it works generally. Players that find themselves in a do or die situation magically get a lot better on the field. For whatever reason Derek cannot figure it out with the Raiders. We wish him the best and will have fond memories of his contributions. Good luck to him!

  5. Derek Carr has always had an inflated opinion of himself and has mysteriously made millions in this league.

    Next up wil DeVante Adams asking for a trade. bahwaha

  6. pbdisciple says:
    December 28, 2022 at 10:51 am
    Trade him and get something? There’s always a franchise willing to overpay for a QB, right? Does Davante Adams come along with him

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    Carr has a no trade clause. It wouldn’t shock me if just retires if he’s told that he won’t be a Raider anymore.

  7. It seems like yesterday when Raider Nation constantly and continually touted Carr as one of the best qbs in the NFL when he had done nothing except to occasionally pad stats with few wins. Embarrassing isn’t it?

  8. Just like any QB, he’s as good as his surroundings allow him to be. And Carr’s surroundings have been largely incompetent, never more so than this season, apparently.

    Amazing to have a franchise with everything pointed in the right direction and then do what they’ve done with it after last season.

  9. No matter where Carr plays, he has limitations. He needs to get the ball out quick or his feet get happy. He has never had pocket presence and is not great at extending plays when his team needs him.

  10. All of the mess in Vegas really says a lot about Davante Adams to me.He was on a HOF path in GB,on a team that is always playoff relevant but chose to force his way to the Raiders.Now he is going to stuck with a rebuilding team in a division with the Chiefs and Chargers.Gb may not make the playoffs this year,they surely would have with Adams on the team.His ego got in the way.Could not take Rodgers getting the credit for the success they had together.Lets see how he like Jimmy G as the next QB in Vegas!LOL

  11. That’s funny how’s Wilson working out for you guys? Gave up quite a bit & grossly over payed before he even stepped onto the field. I would rather have the mascara than “ride on!” coming out of the QB’s mouth

  12. If they cut Carr,… be ready to deal away Davante Adams. He wanted to be in LV specifically because of his friendship with Carr. And LV put a huge investment into Adams. Cut Carr and LV turns into a dumpster fire.

  13. I’d have to know what was said between McDaniels and Mark Davis before he was hired. Did McDaniels assure Davis that he could win with Carr? I mean, it was a playoff team. Not a re-build.

  14. Karma. Adams wanted out of Green Bay because he didn’t have certainty as to who his QB would be next year.

  15. If they cut Carr,… be ready to deal away Davante Adams. He wanted to be in LV specifically because of his friendship with Carr. And LV put a huge investment into Adams. Cut Carr and LV turns into a dumpster fire.
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    Adams grew up a Raider fan and wanted to play for Vegas to be closer to his family in California. He’s as annoyed with Carr as the rest of us are.

  16. you all haters think Adams will leave when carr does,is false. He came over because 1 he is grew up a raiders fan 2. he closer to home and 3. his dad doesnt fly so that being said get that out of your minds because adams is not going no where, it did help having dc on the team too. So adams is not going no where.

  17. Adams said that he wanted out of GB because Rodgers was undecided about playing. He also said he wanted to be close to his family. He did want to play with Carr, but those other factors seem more important. Plus the no tax state surely helps.

  18. Carr will call it a career if he is done in LV. Raiders might be able to get one of the 4 QBs projected in the top 10. Jimmy G makes sense too. The issue is McDaniels is in a must win situation if he even gets a second year.

  19. thetomahawk says:
    December 28, 2022 at 11:20 am
    All of the mess in Vegas really says a lot about Davante Adams to me.He was on a HOF path in GB,on a team that is always playoff relevant but chose to force his way to the Raiders.Now he is going to stuck with a rebuilding team in a division with the Chiefs and Chargers.Gb may not make the playoffs this year,they surely would have with Adams on the team.His ego got in the way.Could not take Rodgers getting the credit for the success they had together.Lets see how he like Jimmy G as the next QB in Vegas!LOL

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    88 catches for 1290 yards and 12 touchdowns through 15 game!!… I’d say he’s still on track to be a HOF Wide receiver. He’s the best receiver in the game. I’m pretty sure he’d be on a HOF track if I was throwing him the ball….

  20. footballer23 says:
    December 28, 2022 at 10:50 am
    The Steelers didn’t only win the game, we destroyed that franchise. We basically ended the raiders as a team. Welcome to the next ten years of rebuilding. Don’t mess with the Steel City!

    Says one rebuilding team to another…

  21. If Carr is cut and not traded for a nice haul of picks then the owner should fire GM and coach. Seriously, total mismanagement. Carr would fetch a first + entering 2022 season.

  22. The Niners need a RELIABLE QB. Carr can make all the throws. The Niners are in the bay area, can protect the QB, have weapons, and have a great defense. That might be the destination Carr would wave a no trade clause for and it would be a win win. The Raiders can start over at QB and start the carousel again like the post Rich Gannon era and the Niners might actually win something. Purdy is playing nicely but he is not the future of the franchise. Jimmy G is made of glass and so far Lance looks like he is too. Carr for Lance and maybe move some picks around too.

  23. kevpft says:
    December 28, 2022 at 11:13 am
    Just like any QB, he’s as good as his surroundings allow him to be. And Carr’s surroundings have been largely incompetent, never more so than this season, apparently.

    Amazing to have a franchise with everything pointed in the right direction and then do what they’ve done with it after last season.
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    As good as his surroundings? Never mind they went out and signed one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, or that Jacobs is leading the NFL in rushing yards. Only two QBs this season have a worse pass completion percentage, Zach Wilson and Russell Wilson. Carr has never been a game changer. Justin Herbert’s rookie season was equivalent to Carr’s best season out of 9.

  24. Josh McDaniels is a terrible head coach. Now it looks like he is picking Carr to be his scapegoat. But I bet he doesn’t sit Carr. IF he sits car and the backup QB does just as bad, Old Josh will be out of excuses.

  25. Derek Carr is not the problem.
    He has a couple playoff appearances and winning seasons.

    McDaniels is a HORRIBLE head coach. Horrible in Denver and Vegas.
    Great as an OC but horrible HC.

  26. J W says:
    December 28, 2022 at 12:22 pm
    The Niners need a RELIABLE QB. Carr can make all the throws. The Niners are in the bay area, can protect the QB, have weapons, and have a great defense. That might be the destination Carr would wave a no trade clause for and it would be a win win. The Raiders can start over at QB and start the carousel again like the post Rich Gannon era and the Niners might actually win something. Purdy is playing nicely but he is not the future of the franchise. Jimmy G is made of glass and so far Lance looks like he is too. Carr for Lance and maybe move some picks around too.
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    Why would the 49ers want Carr when they can snag a better QB with the last pick in the entire draft? I mean, the 49ers didn’t get in the position they’re in by making questionable deals.

  27. It’s deja vu all over again! Back to 2009 in Denver.
    Now all McDaniels needs is to find a patsy like the Bears in 09 to trade Carr for 2 no.1 picks, and then totally mess up those picks.

  28. footballer23 says:
    December 28, 2022 at 10:50 am
    The Steelers didn’t only win the game, we destroyed that franchise. We basically ended the raiders as a team. Welcome to the next ten years of rebuilding. Don’t mess with the Steel City!
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    Destroyed? Is that what you call it when you had to watch the Steelers come from behind just to win by a while 3 points? Destroyed? I think that is what the Baker Mayfield led Browns did to the Steelers during the 2020 season. You remember, right? It’s where the Browns beat the Steelers the last game of the season and then one week later beat them again in the playoffs at Heinz Field. That game was over at halftime. The Steelers still haven’t recovered. Enjoy Kenny Picked-Off.

  29. The Raiders problems are way beyond Derek Carr. They will continue to be a terrible team for many years to come.

    #alwaysrebuilding

  30. Carr is not the problem … OL and defence needs to be fixed.
    Raiders were not going to win the Steelers game just ask Roger.
    Weird why no articles on the NO roughing the passer on the late hit on Carr when he was already down. If that was Mahomes or any other darling QB the flag would have been thrown.
    Face it the NFL is making sure Raiders do not win … what ever happened to the lawsuit about the leaked emails anyways?

  31. The Raiders have an outside chance of making the Playoffs. I doubt Carr gets benched unless it is after half-time.

  32. You can win with Carr. I’m just not sure the offensive and defensive schemes in LV are too complicated for a one year trial.

  33. As a long time Raider observer, the reality is that the problem isn’t Carr. The Raiders are 6th in scoring in the AFC without Waller & Renfrow suiting up and with their OL in disarray again. Another HC, another OC (though nobody seems to know who he is), and a defense that’s a disaster up the middle. 8 of their 9 losses are by one score (4 being by 3 or less). That’s a coaching thing.

  34. Derek Carr would have a new contract before leaving the Raiders’ facility if they cut him. Theres no way they cut him.

  35. It really doesn’t matter how it all unfolds at this point, but a change of scenery just needs to take place. Derek Carr needs a a fresh start somewhere else … and so do the Raiders.

  36. Carr was a top 10 QB in 2021, before McDaniels got there. He took the Raiders to the playoffs. That was before McDaniels showed up.

    Now McDaniels is panicking…and he evidently decided to throw Carr under the bus.

  37. If they cut Carr,… be ready to deal away Davante Adams. He wanted to be in LV specifically because of his friendship with Carr.

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    That was before he saw 5+ uncatchable passes sail over his head every week. Devante Adams has to be wondering how Carr got significantly worse throughout his career.

  38. allbaseballtalk says:
    December 28, 2022 at 12:06 pm
    Carr is not the issue..the issue is the head coach and oc or who very is calling plays!

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    I’d agree if McDaniels was missing WR’s left and right.

  39. Gruden being targeted, attacked and canceled didn’t help. New (inferior) coach/system yet again…some key injuries etc. He’s never been the same since the broken leg/cracked back. If Gruden hadn’t been maliciously attacked right when they were getting things on track, they have a different outcome and likely a 10 win season this year. It’s a big combination of bad luck, not just Carr by any stretch. Josh is simply not a winning HC, as he was handed a playoff caliber team and has blown an unprecedented number of 3 score 4th qrtr leads.

  40. Hello Baker Mayfield. He’ll be a great fit with the Raiders, he’ll be a great fit in Las Vegas.

  41. footballer23 says:
    December 28, 2022 at 10:50 am
    The Steelers didn’t only win the game, we destroyed that franchise. We basically ended the raiders as a team. Welcome to the next ten years of rebuilding. Don’t mess with the Steel City

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    The Raiders have yet to climb out of the 20 year funk the Patriots laid on them. They have never got over the tuck rule call after all these years and when the refs finally gave them one back this year it was in a meaningless regular season game where neither team was going anywhere anyhow, so not much payback for one that decided a playoff game the last time they even sniffed a chance at anything. So now that the Patriots are finally backed off, Pittsburgh has stepped up to extend their funk another 10 years?

  42. raiders4life20 says:
    December 28, 2022 at 11:49 am
    you all haters think Adams will leave when carr does,is false. He came over because 1 he is grew up a raiders fan 2. he closer to home and 3. his dad doesnt fly so that being said get that out of your minds because adams is not going no where, it did help having dc on the team too. So adams is not going no where.

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    I guess 4. is you know him personally and know exactly what he will want and do. People amaze me projecting what they think as if they actually have any knowledge of the situation.

  43. lawrence stacy says:
    December 28, 2022 at 3:07 pm
    raiders4life20 says:
    December 28, 2022 at 11:49 am
    you all haters think Adams will leave when carr does,is false. He came over because 1 he is grew up a raiders fan 2. he closer to home and 3. his dad doesnt fly so that being said get that out of your minds because adams is not going no where, it did help having dc on the team too. So adams is not going no where.

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    I guess 4. is you know him personally and know exactly what he will want and do. People amaze me projecting what they think as if they actually have any knowledge of the situation.

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    TBF none of us have that knowledge. Those predicting he will leave, those assured he will stay, and everything in between is all spitballing to an equal degree. Just people filling that void by stating their own preference as being knowledge.

  44. 1) Davante Adams has a nice contract with the Raiders. He’ll either play for them or he’ll be traded for good value. No issue here.
    2) Derek Carr appears to have regressed. The regression actually started last year, look at his stats. Play calling has been poor as well so I see shared blame for what’s happened to the Raiders offense this year. How much worse would this be if Josh Jacobs wasn’t playing so well? You know, the Josh Jacobs that the Raiders decided not to offer a contract to.
    Sidebar – just saw that Carr has been benched for the last 2 games. Next?
    3) QB options: Baker – no. I’d need to see Baker be consistent for a full season before bringing him in. Jimmy G – no. I like Jimmy but he doesn’t have the strongest arm and injuries just seem to happen with him. Carson W – kidding. Russell W – really kidding.
    Raiders play KC and SF in final 2 weeks so they’ll end up at 6 – 11 and in decent shape to draft a QB.

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