Tom Brady gets away with a dirty move, for now

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From time to time, even GOATs get dirty.

After a third-quarter turnover during Monday night’s loss to the Cowboys, Tom Brady‘s effort to make a tackle include a sliding attempt to trip the ball carrier.

It wasn’t flagged. It also wasn’t mentioned during the broadcast.

Social media saw it, and reacted. As it should. It’s a dirty play from Brady. Filthy. Unacceptable.

Some will ignore it because he’s Brady. Few can make a plausible excuse for it.

Brady has, in the past, used his shoe as a weapon when sliding. A decade ago, he was fined $10,000 for putting a foot in the crotch of Ravens safety Ed Reed.

Brady has done similar things since then, without incident. He should definitely be fined for this one. And he should be criticized for his expression of I’m-not-getting-my-way frustration.

135 responses to “Tom Brady gets away with a dirty move, for now

  1. How dare that guy get in the way of Tommy’s foot!

    Where is Bernard Pollard when you need him?

  2. At least Peyton Manning retired as a Super Bowl winner. Brady will retire as a one and some playoff loser with a fine for a cheap shot!

  3. Speaking of the Ed Reed incident, no dude should ever attempt to cleat another man in the junk. That just messed up.

  4. Great QB but questionable human. I won’t miss him too much. Several better behaved great young QBs to be excited about going forward.

  5. Brady is classless. Always has been, always will be.

    Can’t wait until the day he’s gone.

  6. How can a ref miss a trip like that? That wasn’t some soccer act or anything. I think after seeing so many blown calls by refs in the last few weeks, including on scoring plays, would anticipate that the replay official who reviews scores will be able to review plays for obvious OPI, holding/illegal use of hands of DL right in the QB’s face that go uncalled, etc. And the replay official who reviewed last night’s turnover should obviously signal down for 15 yards for tripping or unsportsmanlike conduct, etc. A fine with no flag will be the admission the call was missed.

  7. Does the fact tht he did so badly at the attempt, not touching the runner or impacting the play in any way matter? No doubt that the effort was illegal, but is that canceled because he wiffed on it?

  8. MortimerInMiami says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:45 pm
    Disgraceful for a future HOFer to do that,


    I will not be watching his HOF induction. Shouldn’t even get in since he was caught cheating and tried to cover it up.

  9. Longtimepackerfan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:40 pm
    Why many of us don’t like him.

    ____________

    ‘My fans would know.’

    – Aaron Rodgers

  10. He also tripped Tariq Woolen after his failure to stay on his feet and Woolen caught an interception, during the TB/SEA game in Germany.

  11. Man people love to hate Brady. It’s a physical sport and he’s an unathletic 45 year old QB. He’s basically a kicker when it comes to making tackles who needs to protect his arms (which Florio always complains about when QBs tackle and injure their shoulders). Football’s a physical sport where people get plastered. This was Brady’s second attempt to tackle him (the first he threw his body in front). It’s a penalty but its not the end of the world everyones making it out to be.

  12. Brady is losing the respect of others faster than he is gaining. He probably should have hung it up after the last SB win.

  13. I see no problem with this at all.
    TB12 was simply trying to avoid the massive pile of bodies that was in front of him.

  14. this is a little dramatic Florio? Yes it should be penalized (but was hard to see live for the Ref) but i honestly think he didn’t want to be mixed up in the muck and get hurt so that was his cowardly attempt.

    he’s not that dirty

  15. What I’d really like to do is put the greatness of this man in perspective. I think there’s only three names…Dr. Albert Schweitzer, Mother Teresa of Calcutta, probably, and … Tom Brady!

  16. Time to get more egregious errors on the field fixed. Missed OPI on the Cole Beasley touchdown catch Saturday as both receivers blocking downfield from the snap and the ball was thrown a couple yards beyond the LOS. And a few more big penalties all in about a 10-play sequence in that game. The game is so fast and you have 7 referees trying to track 22 players moving around. Just not possible to get everything right. I get that you can call holding/illegal use of hands on most every play, but a lot of the stuff being missed is so blatant to the eye in real-time (LT of Giants moving early, etc. on TD).

  17. Hey Tommy no one no one on planet earth wants you to return and show us how your arm is a noodle now. Give it up like three years ago pal. Were tired of you and rodgers playing diva boys.
    FOOTBALL DOESNT NEED YOU.

  18. Dirty move?
    Really?
    It was dumb and completely lacking in sportsmanship, but when you have real dirty plays like cheapshots to the head that lead to injury and that also go unpunished, this just looks silly in comparison.
    Still waiting for Jarran Reed to be punished for elbowing D’Andre Swift in the head after Swift was already tackled to the ground…

  19. Slide tackle attempted to be hidden with the QB sliding so he doesn’t take a hit. It was an illegal play, but certainly not intended to injure. To me that doesn’t make it dirty, or at least any dirtier than a cut block, horse tackle, face mask, etc, which happen all the time. It’s just tripping.

  20. browns2022 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:56 pm
    Brady is losing the respect of others faster than he is gaining. He probably should have hung it up after the last SB win.

    ———–

    No… no he’s not. There’s a lineup to meet him after every game.

  21. He has also been fined and suspended for 4 games for things he didn’t do.

    It all comes out in the wash.

  22. The fact that he’s been doing this for over a decade and that Mac Taylor is doing it now shows me that it’s something being taught to them in New England

  23. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:51 pm
    Cheater. Should have been permanently banned from the league after he was caught.

    ———–

    There wasn’t enough evidence to determine that and it was overturned on a appeal. The second appeal was about Goodell’s authority and it was determined that Goodell could punish has he saw fit regardless of the evidence. Which he did. The whole thing was dumb. There’s a ball tampering fine of 25 k already in the rule book. That was the max that should have ever been levied and nobody would have argued it. Obviously Brady did as well or better after this. There was no advantage at all. If he was involved it was only about preference.

    Yoy are obviously free to think what you want, but it’s not based on anything that happened. It’s just because you don’t like Brady.

  24. When both he and Aaron are gone the League will have entered a new golden era. For all of their individual and team accomplishments both are whiny and arrogant and coddled by refs to infuriating degrees. Both can just go and really should have before this season.

  25. You would of liked to have seen this kinda effort outta Mac Jones when he got steam rolled by the Raiders defender.

  26. Tommy B Trippin!

    He was also going to the ground to avoid being hit and tried to be a sneaky Pete …

  27. Your QB throws a pick 6 or a pick + 15 yards; who is picking option 1? Not to justify this move, it’s scummy, I’m just saying there isn’t 1 fan out there that wouldn’t rather the “scumbag” label for their QB from other fans over a TD during a playoff game.

  28. v2787 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:49 pm
    Ol’ Cheatin’ Tom Brady needs to be gone from the NFL. Yesterday.

    —————

    Brady was still 10th in Jersey sales in 2022. He’s been at the top his whole career. He’s the only player in the whole league with international appeal. He’s the best thing that ever happened to the NFL. Your opinion is not the popular one.

  29. ghjjf says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:39 pm
    At least Peyton Manning retired as a Super Bowl winner. Brady will retire as a one and some playoff loser with a fine for a cheap shot!

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Yes Peyton was on that team. To bad he contributed nothing to the victory

  30. So what’s better? A 15 yard penalty or watching the opponents defense score a touchdown? I’ll take the penalty thank you.

  31. The only thing worse than a dirty player is one that sucks at it. You would think He would be better than that at less than desirable play. I was think of adopting the TB12 life style
    but I think anything worth doing is worth doing well. I can’t pass along money to someone who choses not to excel at everything they do. ü

  32. The one thing I do respect about Brady; He’ll smile and be smug about it.

    So at least he’s not a phony.

    .. my guy would give the ‘who? me?’ treatment.

  33. Unfortunately, certain teams and players seem to get away with this kind of garbage.

    Two weeks ago the Vikings WR, Justin Jefferson, angrily struck an official with his helmet and suffered no consequences for his ridiculous actions.
    No penalty, no ejection/suspension, no fine.

    It’s sad, but this is a star driven league leaving an uneven playing field obviously for some teams and their players.

  34. Brady in in deep discussions with himself in front of a mirror with his kids in school and the house empty as to what is he going to do. Hey he knows exactly what he plans to do. If he was retiring and this time for sure he would have said so last night. He is diva boy and needs to set some more records so they will never be broken.

  35. Tom Brady has done it before (and was penalized for it) during this season. Go back and watch Leonard Fournette’s trick pass to Brady that was intercepted by Tariq Woolen. Brady flopped and was fouled for tripping Woolen. And he’s done it in previous seasons. Just last year in Tampa’s playoff loss to the Cowboys, Tommy slid into Cowboys safety Malik Hooker from behind. Draw your own conclusions.

  36. He’s always been a crybaby bad sport when things don’t go his way. He is the greatest quarterback of all time, but he’s also an entitled, unsportsmanlike jerk to opponents and teammates alike. Those two things can both be true.

  37. Dirty play, there’s not much more to say about that. Anyone else would have been flagged/fined.
    Once a Patriot, always a Patriot?

  38. January 17, 2023 at 1:24 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:51 pm
    Cheater. Should have been permanently banned from the league after he was caught.

    ———–

    There wasn’t enough evidence to determine that and it was overturned on a appeal. The second appeal was about Goodell’s authority and it was determined that Goodell could punish has he saw fit regardless of the evidence. Which he did. The whole thing was dumb. There’s a ball tampering fine of 25 k already in the rule book. That was the max that should have ever been levied and nobody would have argued it. Obviously Brady did as well or better after this. There was no advantage at all. If he was involved it was only about preference.

    Yoy are obviously free to think what you want, but it’s not based on anything that happened. It’s just because you don’t like Brady.

    —–
    Except there were text messages that talked about ball deflation and one guy called himself deflator. So it definitely was happening. And he smashed his cell phone. If it was no big deal then it’s really unlikely he would have smashed his cell phone. I can’t look past that. Nor can I look past the fact that the NFL went all out to try and suspend and portray arguably the face of the league and its most premier franchise him as a cheater. Why would they do that? What would they have to gain. That’s not something they’d do for no reason or if it was no big deal. It makes no sense.

    He was caught cheating. So was BB with spygate but at least BB publicly took ownership of that mistake, admitted it was wrong and said he would never do anything like that again. Tommy could have done that too. He could have said yes he arranged to have it done to the legal minimum which is my preference because the league didn’t care about this stuff till now and he could have gone on to say they’re careless about ball prep. HIs peers would have applauded him. Instead he smashed his cell phone. Not hard to guess he really didn’t want this and other cheating discovered by the investigation.

    The cover up is almost always worse than the crime itself.

  39. So many people would easily take the 15 yard penalty. Knowing full well it’s dirty. Knowing full well it may lead to an injury. You can’t stop a pick 6 or are frustrated by a turnover and you resort to flim-flam and chicanery. You can’t compete, so you break the rules. You have no personal integrity if you’d take the 15 yards. Play between the whistles and by the rules. Be a sportsman. Or pretend you’re “smart” by playing dirty and lose your integrity.

  40. ogre4nerds says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:56 pm
    Tom Brady has done it before (and was penalized for it) during this season. Go back and watch Leonard Fournette’s trick pass to Brady that was intercepted by Tariq Woolen. Brady flopped and was fouled for tripping Woolen. And he’s done it in previous seasons. Just last year in Tampa’s playoff loss to the Cowboys, Tommy slid into Cowboys safety Malik Hooker from behind. Draw your own conclusions.

    42Rate This

    Huh? The 49ers beat the Cowboys in the playoffs last year, what are you talking about?

  41. laughterguns says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:46 pm
    So what’s better? A 15 yard penalty or watching the opponents defense score a touchdown? I’ll take the penalty thank you.

    —————————

    Most players will join you in that assessment. And without hesitation. It’s not uncommon for such choices. Not different from guys deciding that a hard DPI and first down on the one is better than allowing an easy catch in the endzone.

  42. uberman says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:49 pm
    The only thing worse than a dirty player is one that sucks at it. You would think He would be better than that at less than desirable play. I was think of adopting the TB12 life style
    but I think anything worth doing is worth doing well. I can’t pass along money to someone who choses not to excel at everything they do.

    ———————

    You are right. Thats now my leading reason I can give for not living like Tom Brady. Now I can retire the old excuse that I can’t affiord it.

  43. Fubared says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:56 pm
    Brady in in deep discussions with himself in front of a mirror with his kids in school and the house empty as to what is he going to do. Hey he knows exactly what he plans to do. If he was retiring and this time for sure he would have said so last night. He is diva boy and needs to set some more records so they will never be broken.

    ———————————

    You don’t see any chance he might simply be waiting to see what another season would offer him before he commits to one?

  44. That’s an unseemly, undignified move by someone who should know better.

    He’s the GOAT, and he always pushes the margins, and he should do better than this. All these things are true.

  45. I don’t have a team says:
    January 17, 2023 at 2:01 pm
    The GOAT and gracious in victory, crybaby and sore loser in defeat.

    And Tom Brady admitted to the last part “ sore loser” on more than one occasion

  46. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:51 pm
    Cheater. Should have been permanently banned from the league after he was caught.

    ————————
    Caught doing what?

  47. ghjjf says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:39 pm
    At least Peyton Manning retired as a Super Bowl winner. Brady will retire as a one and some playoff loser with a fine for a cheap shot!
    _______________________________________________________________
    And everyone that can remember SB 50 remembers that Manning had a noodle arm and did little. The defense won the game with 4 takeaways and 7 sacks. Manning put up Zach Wilson numbers.

  48. Why do people keep saying he’s the GOAT? He’s 3-3 in Super Bowls outside spygate and deflategate…

  49. That was nothing, really? I mean watch the play. He’s absolutely harmless from there.

    It is tackle football, that was so benign.

  50. Brady broke the record for pass completions this year and lots of people on here are saying he’s washed up. just haters hating

  51. How many other penalties were missed by the refs last night. Come on. Who here doesn’t think
    Brady is the GOAT ? Maybe his last game and this is what’s being said? Seven rings. All the records. As a Bills fan I hated him. But now I give this man his due. Leaving the Patriots and immediately winning the Super Bowl with his new team? Come on. There are other subjects to argue about but this. It’s petty and undeserving of this forum

  52. Longtimepackerfan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:40 pm
    Why many of us don’t like him.

    ____________

    ‘My fans would know.’

    – Aaron Rodgers

    ////////////
    And some have no rings.

  53. If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.

    Let that sink in.

  54. Yup, that was dirty for sure. He will probably be fined, which he should, but it won’t even faze him.

  55. Mac Jones learned from Brady.
    Watch both when they slide, with cleats up in the air to injure players.

  56. lowlyfinfan88 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:25 pm
    You would of liked to have seen this kinda effort outta Mac Jones when he got steam rolled by the Raiders defender.

    —————————

    You saw it the very next week. Screamed bloody murder over it too.

  57. He gets away with this, but if a defensive lineman sneezes on him, the d-lineman is penalized and probably fined.

  58. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.

    Let that sink in.

    Another STUPID argument… How many rushing TDs did the team have
    In those games. How many drives did the QB lead inside the five yard line but they ran the ball in?

    The last Super Bowl vs the rams one one TD was scored.
    Brady on that drive 5/5 for 74 yards Gronk tackled at the 2 yard line and they run it in. They won the game Brady had zero Tds but had as much to do with the TD as the RB that ran it in from the two yard line.

  59. “Filthy”?…really? A bit overstated…no? The refs missed it. Otherwise, throw a flag…15 yards and be done with it. No reason for the hyperbolic drama.

  60. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is.

    Bit of a change from what you said below eh sport?

    ===================================
    GoodellMustGo says:
    June 17, 2018 at 4:48 pm
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 16, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    —————————
    Yet Brady is still 1-3 against Peyton in the biggest games they played, the AFCC games including the one in 2013. What does that say about Brady?
    ——
    It says nothing more that’s already been said about the 5 time World Champion, 4 time Super Bowl MVP, reigning and 3 time league MVP, winningest QB in the history of football, and the man who all intelligent football fans consider the greatest QB to ever grace an NFL football field with his presence.
    Any questions or is that clear enough for ya?
    🙂

  61. I’m so happy that cheatin Tom doesn’t play for my team anymore. Pretending this guy was good and defending his cheating really was exhausting!

    Brady minus elite coaching = losing record. Let it never be said again this guy is the greatest. He’s not. Never was.

  62. Believe it or not, he is human and was clearly frustrated when he did it. It was a figurative white-flag, as he knew they were beat and could not knock off the Boys, who played their socks off, btw

    Brady will be hard-pressed to command a lineup like this again. Sure, Evans is getting older, but they had some awesome skill players and couldn’t put it together all year.
    His age is showing, finally, and the end is certainly near

  63. dynastydan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:48 pm
    When Mac Jones does it, the haters are all over it. When Tommy does it, (crickets).

    —————

    Well they have one thing in common of where they learned this from.

  64. hazydavey says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:58 pm
    He’s always been a crybaby bad sport when things don’t go his way. He is the greatest quarterback of all time, but he’s also an entitled, unsportsmanlike jerk to opponents and teammates alike. Those two things can both be true.

    ———–

    How could anyone that played for Belichick for 20 years and did whatever was asked of him be entitled. I really don’t think he’s entitled.

    Is he a bad sport? Notoriously, yes he is. Like every single competitive nut that plays in the NFL and every other professional sport. How else do you you beat out every other guy wanting to take your job since the age of 12 or whatever. People that are able to reach the mountain top in sport are usually intense competitors with high personal confidence bordering on narcissism. That’s what it takes.

    If they don’t show it on the outside they are just better at faking than Brady is.

  65. I live here in Tampa Bay and I appreciate him coming to the city and winning a Super Bowl but this is another reason why a lot of us cant wait to see him go for good. Always been a baby and a poor sport. Still the GOAT but he makes it hard to like him for sure.

  66. dmca12 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:35 pm
    He gets away with this, but if a defensive lineman sneezes on him, the d-lineman is penalized and probably fined.

    ————

    He was trying to trip a guy. It’s against the rules but it’s just a penalty like any defensive penalty. It’s not a big deal. Defensive players cry so much when offensive players do anything to them yet they talk about killing the QB being their job.

  67. bullcharger says:
    January 17, 2023 at 4:34 pm
    hazydavey says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:58 pm
    He’s always been a crybaby bad sport when things don’t go his way. He is the greatest quarterback of all time, but he’s also an entitled, unsportsmanlike jerk to opponents and teammates alike. Those two things can both be true.

    ———–

    How could anyone that played for Belichick for 20 years and did whatever was asked of him be entitled. I really don’t think he’s entitled.

    Is he a bad sport? Notoriously, yes he is.

    —-
    It’s really strange to me that people think that kind of behavior is endearing just because it’s Tommy.

    It’s one of the reasons why I don’t like this guy. Brady Sr was talking about his son throwing the joystick at the TV when he would lose a video game. That sore loser attitude is not endearing at all it’s embarrassing.

    Don’t remember Bledsoe ever acting like that. I suspect that’s why football fans generally like Bledsoe and despise Tommy.

  68. flash1224 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:48 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.

    Let that sink in.

    Another STUPID argument… How many rushing TDs did the team have
    In those games. How many drives did the QB lead inside the five yard line but they ran the ball in?

    The last Super Bowl vs the rams one one TD was scored.
    Brady on that drive 5/5 for 74 yards Gronk tackled at the 2 yard line and they run it in. They won the game Brady had zero Tds but had as much to do with the TD as the RB that ran it in from the two yard line.


    Great except it doesn’t explain why Brady leads all QB’s all time in this category and it’s not close. If it was something all QB’s do he would be a lot closer to the mean.

    Just think it’s a really interesting stat.

  69. It looks questionable, but it also kind of looks like Brady was trying to avoid running into the area where the tackle was being made.

  70. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 4:20 pm
    I’m so happy that cheatin Tom doesn’t play for my team anymore. Pretending this guy was good and defending his cheating really was exhausting!

    Brady minus elite coaching = losing record. Let it never be said again this guy is the greatest. He’s not. Never was.

    **************

    Dude, have you been living under a rock? How’s it going for the Pats since TB left?

    TB: Won a SuperBowl. Went to divisional round. 2022, playoffs again.
    Pats: No playoffs. Curbstomped by Bills in round 1. No playoffs (again).

    In fact, the Pats this season absolutely had better talent across the board than last year’s team, plus it was Mac’s second season. The team did WORSE in almost every single statistical category, and Mac Jones was abysmal.

    Belichick is great, but Tom Brady covered up for a lot of mismanagement over the years in New England. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

  71. dynastydan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:48 pm
    When Mac Jones does it, the haters are all over it. When Tommy does it, (crickets).
    —-
    You think 100+ negative comments on here is “crickets?” really?

  72. Dude, have you been living under a rock? How’s it going for the Pats since TB left?

    TB: Won a SuperBowl. Went to divisional round. 2022, playoffs again.
    Pats: No playoffs. Curbstomped by Bills in round 1. No playoffs (again).

    In fact, the Pats this season absolutely had better talent across the board than last year’s team, plus it was Mac’s second season. The team did WORSE in almost every single statistical category, and Mac Jones was abysmal.

    Belichick is great, but Tom Brady covered up for a lot of mismanagement over the years in New England. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

    ——
    Nope no regrets I’m happy he isn’t in NE anymore. Couldn’t be happier in fact. I had enough of him pouting and sulking in 2019 and I couldn’t stomach any more. Had he stayed I’d find a new team to cheer for.

    Let’s also not pretend Tommy didn’t win the same number of playoff games this season as he did in his final season with the Patriots.

    As for your assessment of the Patriots that is accurate but it just goes to show coaching matters a lot. Wins are a team stat not a QB stat. Brady never won a thing by himself in NE and he certainly didn’t in Tampa either.

  73. Brady’s the Lance Armstrong of the NFL! He’s capable of doing anything, no matter how scumbag cheating or dirty, to win and feed his ego! No Oprah interview, please!

  74. TB: Won a SuperBowl. Went to divisional round. 2022, playoffs again.
    ——
    Let’s also be clear. Tampa finished with a losing record. The one and only reason why they played a game 18 is someone from their dog pile of a division had to go. No other reason. They would finish last in any good division so seems pointless to talk up a bad team “making the playoffs”.

  75. Let’s also be clear. Tampa finished with a losing record. The one and only reason why they played a game 18 is someone from their dog pile of a division had to go. No other reason. They would finish last in any good division so seems pointless to talk up a bad team “making the playoffs”.

    Let’s be clear , if they were REALLY concerned about the record Brady would not have come out of the game in the second quarter WHEN they were winning so that argument is again, LAME.

    Notice how all the Brady crybaby arguments are based on hypotheticals? If this if that blah blah blah

  76. Look he’s says “Wins are a team stat not a QB stat.” Brady never won a thing by himself in NE and he certainly didn’t in Tampa either.

    But he’s the first to point out “Brady is 1-3 vs Manning in the playoffs “

    And for the “wins are a team stat not a QB stat people
    The NFL record books DISAGREES.. they have an official stat for QB win lose.

  77. flash1224 says:
    January 17, 2023 at 5:44 pm
    Let’s also be clear. Tampa finished with a losing record. The one and only reason why they played a game 18 is someone from their dog pile of a division had to go. No other reason. They would finish last in any good division so seems pointless to talk up a bad team “making the playoffs”.

    Let’s be clear , if they were REALLY concerned about the record Brady would not have come out of the game in the second quarter WHEN they were winning so that argument is again, LAME.

    Notice how all the Brady crybaby arguments are based on hypotheticals? If this if that blah blah blah
    ——
    So in other words you’re trying to tell me Tampa was a good team this year and a worthy playoff team. Yeah.

    Sure looked like it last night huh? 🤭

  78. Great except it doesn’t explain why Brady leads all QB’s all time in this category and it’s not close. If it was something all QB’s do he would be a lot closer to the mean.

    Just think it’s a really interesting stat.

    Actually there is a very good explanation for it.
    He does what’s best for the TEAM to win. If they new the Colts couldn’t stop the run and the weather was poor and running the ball was the best chance they had he will do it. That’s part of what makes him great he understands the game.

    Do you really think he wanted to lead the league in pass attempts this year? The Bucs were dead last in the league in rushing.
    I promise you he didn’t want to throw is 60 times last night

  79. Wafflestomp says:
    January 17, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    Unfortunately, certain teams and players seem to get away with this kind of garbage.

    Two weeks ago the Vikings WR, Justin Jefferson, angrily struck an official with his helmet and suffered no consequences for his ridiculous actions.
    No penalty, no ejection/suspension, no fine.

    It’s sad, but this is a star driven league leaving an uneven playing field obviously for some teams and their players.

    ///////////////

    You can google the video. JJ pulls back helmet when he sees the ref. packer fan jealous that the packers moved up in the draft to pick jordon love instead of JJ. 🤣

  80. “From time to time, even GOATs get dirty.”

    Nahh, you never seen this kind of behavior from Otto Graham.

  81. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.
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    Your selective use of statistics is hilarious. This is almost as good as the one about how bad his record is “when not being coached by Belichek or Arians”.

  82. my3cents says:
    January 17, 2023 at 6:05 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.
    ——–
    Your selective use of statistics is hilarious. This is almost as good as the one about how bad his record is “when not being coached by Belichek or Arians”.

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    I don’t think that’s selective at all. The question is how good is Brady without elite coaching? He was good with Belichick who is an elite coach (HOF lock). He was good with Arians who is also an elite coach (HOF maybe, 2x NFL Coach of the year). He is not so good with Bowles who is not an elite coach. Draw your own conclusions. I don’t see any issue at all with pointing it out.

  83. January 17, 2023 at 5:53 pm
    Great except it doesn’t explain why Brady leads all QB’s all time in this category and it’s not close. If it was something all QB’s do he would be a lot closer to the mean.

    Just think it’s a really interesting stat.

    Actually there is a very good explanation for it.
    He does what’s best for the TEAM to win
    —-
    And other QBs don’t? Come on man.

  84. I don’t think that’s selective at all. The question is how good is Brady without elite coaching? He was good with Belichick who is an elite coach (HOF lock). He was good with Arians who is also an elite coach (HOF maybe, 2x NFL Coach of the year). He is not so good with Bowles who is not an elite coach. Draw your own conclusions. I don’t see any issue at all with pointing it out.

    Then if you don’t see an issue pointing it out then
    Is it fair to say Bill is a bad coach without Brady ?
    He’s below 500 in his career with Brady as his starting QB.
    He’s 1-2 without Brady as his QB in the playoffs

    Answer would be no it’s not fair but people do it.

    Bottom line it took Both of them to do what they did for 20 years
    And BOTH Bill and Tom will tell you that.
    And to try and discredit one over the other is dumb

  85. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 6:09 pm
    my3cents says:
    January 17, 2023 at 6:05 pm
    GoodellMustGo says:
    January 17, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    If you needed any more evidence how overrated this guy is:

    Tom Brady has a .609 record when he throws ZERO TD passes in a game. That of course leads all QB’s all time.
    ——–
    Your selective use of statistics is hilarious. This is almost as good as the one about how bad his record is “when not being coached by Belichek or Arians”.

    —-
    I don’t think that’s selective at all. The question is how good is Brady without elite coaching? He was good with Belichick who is an elite coach (HOF lock). He was good with Arians who is also an elite coach (HOF maybe, 2x NFL Coach of the year). He is not so good with Bowles who is not an elite coach. Draw your own conclusions. I don’t see any issue at all with pointing it out.
    ——–
    But it is selective. You’re ignoring 20+ seasons of winning and looking at one season, by setting up a variable that supports your argument. You could equally argue (as others have) that Belichick is only an elite coach because he coached Brady. Look at his record (a much larger sample size) when Brady isn’t his QB.

  86. Longtimepackerfan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 2:53 pm
    Longtimepackerfan says:
    January 17, 2023 at 12:40 pm
    Why many do’t like him.
    ////////////
    And some have no rings.

    _______

    But the person you hate has 7 and even Eli has 2. I will never get to 2. Waaaaaaaaa! waaaaaaa!

  87. Then if you don’t see an issue pointing it out then
    Is it fair to say Bill is a bad coach without Brady ?
    He’s below 500 in his career with Brady as his starting QB.
    He’s 1-2 without Brady as his QB in the playoffs
    ——-
    Depends what you mean by bad coach. Is it a surprise that a coach would be less successful with a lesser team than with a great team? All coaches need good players to win no matter how great they are. Cmon nobody thinks Bill could take the Hue Jackson Browns or the 2008 Lions to the Super Bowl. Nobody can do that. Bill has said many times that it’s a players game and he’s right. Coaches can’t win games but they can lose them.

    It’s interesting that Tommy’s stats this season were almost identical to 2019. The Patriots won 12 games in 2019… the Bucs only won 8 this season. Draw your own conclusions.

    A lot of people also say it’s all Brady and that’s who I’m poking fun at. I think the outcome of the season was a reality check. Coaching matters. Always did. Look at Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence now compares to last year. It’s not all the QB. And ya can’t say it’s “all Brady” only when he wins and then blame someone else when he doesnt . 😉

  88. But it is selective. You’re ignoring 20+ seasons of winning and looking at one season, by setting up a variable that supports your argument. You could equally argue (as others have) that Belichick is only an elite coach because he coached Brady
    —-
    I think that’s an accurate statement. I also think Bill would agree with that and he even admitted it. Obviously that doesn’t mean that Bill’s record WITH Brady doesn’t count 🙂

    Brady without 2 elite coaches is not the QB he is with them. Factual statement backed up with data from this season. Doubtful that Brady would win very much if he was drafted by the Lions.

  89. “Great except it doesn’t explain why Brady leads all QB’s all time in this category and it’s not close. If it was something all QB’s do he would be a lot closer to the mean”

    So the argument on why not to like Brady has drifted into questioning whether he knows how to play football? I swear some guys start down a path and just don’t know how to stop no matter where it takes them.

  90. Yes Peyton was on that team. To bad he contributed nothing to the victory

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Kind of funny how they have not won anything since, is it not?

  91. Brady without 2 elite coaches is not the QB he is with them. Factual statement backed up with data from this season.
    —————-

    Montana is nothing but a nice little system QB with a little arm who is nothing without elite coaching from the likes of Walsh, Seifert and Schottenheimer. Factual statement.

  92. It’s all Brady!

    Except when he loses then it’s not all Brady it’s someone else’s fault.

    Lololol. Lolololololol. Lol. Lol. Lolololololololololololol

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