What will happen with Sean Payton?

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One of the four teams that interviewed former Saints coach Sean Payton recently went in a different direction, with the Panthers hiring Frank Reich. That leaves three teams in the current cycles that could hire him — the Texans, Cardinals, and Broncos. So where will he land?

Momentum gradually has been building this week toward Payton staying at Fox for another year. That doesn’t mean things won’t turn around, but there are complications.

First, the Saints want real value for Payton. More than a mid-to-late first-round pick, as reported last week. No other candidate in the current cycle comes with that obligation.

Second, Payton wants to be paid commensurately with other top coaches. The price now exceeds $20 million. And skilled, accomplished coaches are worth every penny.

Third, Payton is believed to want a certain amount of authority over the roster. All teams considering him have General Managers in place who might lose a portion of their authority Payton, especially with other coaching options that wouldn’t undermine the G.M.

Adding to the current sense of confusion as to Payton comes from Thursday’s random report from Mark Maske of the Washington Post that Payton has concerns about a potential power struggle with an unnamed member of ownership. Many assumed that Maske was referring to limited partner Condoleeza Rice.

Regardless of who it is, owners are the rock and coaches are the scissors. There are no power struggles. Ownership has the power. And Payton has denied the report.

Then there’s the question of where the report came from, and whether someone may have been trying to torpedo Payton’s candidacy in Denver, and maybe elsewhere. Hard feelings still linger between 345 Park Avenue and Payton over the bounty scandal. Would it be crazy to think that Maske, who routinely reports on league matters, was told my someone at corporate headquarters about Payton’s supposed misgivings, regardless of whether he actually has any?

The clock continues to tick. And Payton will be part of Fox’s coverage of the NFC Championship on Sunday. More news is likely coming soon. In theory, it could come at any time.

87 responses to “What will happen with Sean Payton?

  1. It’s a QB league as Payton well knows, so spending a ton of money on a coach that only had one super bowl win in fifteen years with Drew Brees, might not be so enticing. Payton was the king of early exits from the playoffs when many thought his Saints’ teams should have made it to the super bowl. None of the teams he interviewed for have a Drew Brees as their QB, so reality might be settling in.

  2. If he was going to be appointed it would have already happened.
    The Saints want too much.
    Payton wants too much and he is over rated!

  3. Sure, give Payton full authority over the roster. He did really well in New Orleans the last few years didn’t he?

  4. If he stays in the booth another year, would his contract with NO be over in 2024? If so makes sense to wait

  5. I was wondering when the bounty scandal would be mentioned again. It’s clear that the league did whatever it had to do to torpedo some Saints’ playoff runs. A grudge was definitely being held.
    So now, 12 – 14 years after bountygate, I’m not sure the league is willing to just let it be. I suspect as long as Payton is in the league in a coaching capacity there will be a penalty to pay, which might cause some teams to drop Payton from their list of HC candidates.

  6. Are the second and third problems — pay him like other coaches and give him a say in roster decisions — really problems? Commensurate pay and roster input are reasonable requests.

    The first problem seems to be the real sticking point. If that’s what the Saints want, teams will think they’re asking for too much.

  7. He’s waiting for that cowboys job. I think he goes back to the studio, where he’s not a great fit.

  8. He isn’t worth the cost, simple as that. He should lower his pay for the first year to like 2 million to offset the cost of the draft picks that teams have to pay just to get him.

  9. If Payton tables his HC search for a year, how hot does McCarthy’s seat get in Dallas next season?

  10. If the Saints want too much for him and are in his way, he should just tell the Saints he’s ready to be their coach again. Then the Saints could let him coach, fire him or reduce the trade demands.

  11. You’re really covering for Payton, aren’t you? More likely, Maske is correct. And if the league was that concerned about Payton, why would it let a network partner employ him on their broadcasts.

    Face it, he’s not what he thinks he’s worth unless he’s bringing Drew Brees along.

  12. Possibly the most overrated head coach in the NFL. Ever.
    It sure looks like no team has even made him an offer.

  13. Everyone saying he is overrated is clueless. There are several QBs with other teams who have those jobs because Payton was able to win games with them as their QB. He also did all of this constantly being in salary cap hell. If you look at for how long the Saints were competitive and also at factors like ticket sales and merchandise sales for a small market team those are other factors that make him desirable.

    Also talk about those talking about those years with Brees seem to forget that he was a pass over QB who that didn’t have record before being teamed with Payton.

    At the end of the day the Saints are one of the 19 of 32 teams who have one of the 55 Lombardi trophies. So, anyone diminishing that accomplishment has zero clue the value of that to a franchise.

  14. My Vikings were the victims of bountygate, and I’ve always loathed Payton for what he and his team did. Losing fairly is one thing, but losing to a bunch of bounty hunters is another. I still remember the absolute beating they gave Bret Favre in the playoff game, and how the officials seemed to look the other way when the Saints were mauling him and throwing him to the ground on every other play. I hope Payton ends up with a lousy team and loses a lot. He deserves it.

  15. The price now exceeds $20 million. And skilled, accomplished coaches are worth every penny.
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    No they aren’t. Coaches are only as good as their Defense or QB. Even Belichick looks average without Brady. It’s no coincidence Peyton retired shortly after Brees, his value goes down every year he doesn’t have a Hall of Fame QB.

  16. Excuse me while I get out my crying towel for the myriad of problems which multimillionaires face each and every day……

  17. If I can get a 22 year old Drew Brees I might be interested in Sean Payton.
    But otherwise he’s overpriced and under-stellar as a coach.

  18. As a long time negotiator, I can tell you when nobody is making an offer, the price is too high. In this case we don’t even have requests for a a second interview. Hence, if the Saints don’t lower their price, they won’t get anything this year.

  19. The Saints want way too much. They should be lucky to get a 2nd or 3rd rounder and run. That’s the snag on all of this. Teams are looking at the Gruden trade and learning from past mistakes. Yeah Payton is a proven Head Coach but gone are the days of throwing away 1st round picks. Carolina was out and Denver might be too. Denver has a 1st rounder and the richest owners in football and they still haven’t pulled the trigger. If the Saints keep waiting they will get nothing!

  20. He wants the Dallas job but wont settle for Jones GM authority. One or the other will have to give in and it will be Payton. Remember Cowboys fans, Jones has made alot of money for the other owners, which is why he has made the HOF but he also withholds a lot of other revenue that the other owners want, which is why the team isnt allowed to win another SB … The Oligarchy has final say … ask Kroenke …

  21. I don’t think Jerry really wants him, at least not if he has to compensate the Saints and pay Payton $20M a year.

  22. Sean Payton may likely be returning as HC of The Saints if the current head coach doesn’t Win next season.That could have been the plan from the get go. Who knows?

  23. I’d like to see him return to Fox and reteam with Mike Vick. They had good chemistry. Eventually they could be part of the big group after retirements.

    He’d probably be interested in Tampa or The Chargers if they open up. Not sure about Rams because of cap situation and lack of draft picks. Dallas did have talks but he wants the control Parcells had there. That was a non starter and thus McCarthy Quinn succession plan continues.

  24. he needs to wait 1 more year.
    brandon staley will screw it up and that will be
    the ticket to stay home and have justin herbert to work with.

  25. ob2040 says:
    January 28, 2023 at 2:51 pm

    No one wants to give up 2 first round picks for an overrated coach.
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    Saints aren’t asking for 2 First Round picks for Payton…
    Will they try to get a 1st and a lesser round pick too? Sure…

    But 2 First Rounders? Nah – there is NOTHING out there that has said that.

  26. He’ll be the Chargers or the Cowboys coach in 2024… Whichever team falls flatter on their face.

  27. People still crying about the bounty. Toughen up it’s football. Vikings were just too soft to punch back.

  28. If only Houston had better ownership. One would think New Orleans would ask far less from an AFC team? They have the 2nd pick, could easily end up as a franchise QB with Payton making the pick. But Houston enjoys being the laughing stock of the NFL along with Indi. Makes too much sense so it will never happen.

  29. Matt Rhule was grossly overpaid as a coach at about $7-8 mil a year and his contract sent shockwaves through the league 2.5 year ago. Who, outside BB (who doubles as GM, right?) makes anything anywhere near $20 million a year? Where did this number come from, his agent? Might just be greatly overplaying his hand. Teams don’t make that much money.

  30. Payton’s other problem is that he is terrible on tv. The more airtime he gets, the worse his bargaining position becomes.

  31. lockdownthebank says:
    January 28, 2023 at 2:48 pm
    He isn’t worth the cost, simple as that. He should lower his pay for the first year to like 2 million to offset the cost of the draft picks that teams have to pay just to get him.
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    An owner willing to pay Payton probably isn’t concerned about saving money the first year. An owner that has a need for a HC probably needs those draft picks.

  32. Payton shoud coach the Saints and the team should sign Rodgers or Brady with the money they save.

  33. Payton is not very good as an analyst. His delivery is hesitant and his comments short and not very insightful.
    Maybe his coaching prowess stemmed from Drew Brees, just as Mike McCarthy’s prowess stemmed from Aaron Rodgers…

  34. I think the feeling is mutual between Payton and this years available teams. They dont really want him, but he doesnt really want them either. He stays at FOX and hopes the Chargers or Cowboys jobs open up next year.

  35. I’m hoping he stays retired.
    Exhausting amount of coverage, for an above average coach.

  36. Since Jerry Jones enticed him to leave the Saints for the Cowboys I suppose he ends up in Dallas once it doesn’t cost them a #1 pick. How is this a surprise?

  37. chuckster says:
    January 28, 2023 at 2:59 pm
    If the Saints want too much for him and are in his way, he should just tell the Saints he’s ready to be their coach again. Then the Saints could let him coach, fire him or reduce the trade demands.
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    He retired – I doubt the Saints have any obligation to take him back just because he says he wants back in.

  38. The only good job without a major rebuild was with the Chargers and they won’t pay two coaches or can afford Payton. I would say Panthers second just because that division sucks and they have some pieces you can build around but I could understand Saints not wanted him there or him himself. Arizona you have to punt year one with Murray down and Texans a major rebuild. Broncos who wants to be in that division with Chiefs and Chargers having elite QBs.

  39. You seem to think the warmongering limited partner would have some authority over the HC. Get real. Your law school certainly didn’t clue you in to how a business is run. I guarantee to you the Walton family has all the power. She’s there for photo ops.

  40. Perfectly reasonable for the Saints to seek value, but considering that Payton gave them the one period of respectability in the entire history of the woebegone franchise, I would think they’d not try too hard to block him from moving on.

  41. While no coach guarantees anything, I think he’d offer what the Cowboys and Chargers both need. I 100% expect that next season will be rinse, repeat for those two teams, and they’ll kick themselves for not making a change now.

  42. TV is not in Sean Paton’s best interests. Quite frankly,.. he’s not very good on the FOX pre and post game analysis. Watch Strahan when Payton is talking. It’s like “what are talking about,.. that’s stupid”.

  43. Maybe his coaching prowess stemmed from Drew Brees, just as Mike McCarthy’s prowess stemmed from Aaron Rodgers…
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    The greatest coaches won without the top skill position players, like Gibbs and Shula

  44. therealraider says:
    January 28, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    The price now exceeds $20 million. And skilled, accomplished coaches are worth every penny.
    —–
    No they aren’t. Coaches are only as good as their Defense or QB. Even Belichick looks average without Brady. It’s no coincidence Peyton retired shortly after Brees, his value goes down every year he doesn’t have a Hall of Fame QB.

    I agree 100%. Coaches aren’t worth a plugged nickel. Just look at Brian Daboll or Doug Pederson or Pete Carroll or Dan Campbell or Kyle Shanahan or … wait, what were you saying?

  45. The Houston Texans need an Experienced Head Coach. Please, No more Assistant Coaches. To rebuild a Team needs Experience. The Texans often take the Easy Way out approach to hiring Head Coaches. The Houston Fans are loosing faith in the McNair Family Ownership. Soon, Empty Seats and Televison Money is all they will have. We stopped buying Houston Texans Season Tickets and Purchased Houston Astro Season tickets. Time is running short for the Houston Texans here in Houston!

  46. Why all the Love for Sean Payton? The only Head Coaches who did as bad or worse after years in the playoffs with a first ballot HOF QB were Don Shula and Tony Dungy.

  47. No thanks. I’d rather have Jim Harbaugh with that kind of money. He would be an instant upgrade over Payton.

  48. @TomBrady

    Don Shula won nothing with Dan Marino as his starting QB. Was Marino not a great skill position player? In fact, Shula never won a Super Bowl without HOF players at skill positions, and he also never won a Super Bowl with Marino which was coaching malpractice.

    I will sort of give you Joe Gibbs. He had some HOF players at skill positions, and other positions, but not at QB.

  49. If I was not clear, I know Shula won Super Bowls, and those teams had HOFers at skill positions.

  50. I honestly think he intentionally priced himself out of the market because he just didn’t want any of those jobs. His eyes are on the west coast or Dallas. In another year at least one of those jobs will open up and the Saints asking price will drop. Also by then Fox will kick him to the curb because he just really sucks on the set.

  51. I think his salary demands are way too high and also guessing he’s probably wanting a Gruden-style 10-year contract or something. But the Saints asking price is probably the bigger obstacle. Giving up a first round pick is a whole lot when you could just wait things out and not have to give up anything.

  52. Why would a team want to give up draft picks just for a coach? I don’t think anyone is willing to do that. It puts them in a weaker position and then you have a big time coach who will want total control, the GM will have to either agree or step aside, and if the team bombs for a year or so, who’s to say he just doesn’t take his ball and go home? He will not get hired this offseason.

  53. Sean wants to be in cakewalk division , so I would say Texans or either falcons or Bucs if they got smart and fired this HC.

  54. And how long ago was the bounty gate? Sounds more like someone is back stabbing. Denver has to be half stupid not to hire him. Best available coach last year this year and next year, but Denver will probably screw this up.

  55. What will happen to Sean Payton? Unless he’s spent all the money he’s made , he should live happily ever after.

  56. Always had great players at skill positions. Always great in the regular season. Only had one season worth mentioning in the playoffs and that was Super Bowl year.

  57. Imagine all the world leaders and their underlings that Condoleeza Rice had to get a quick read on for the literal fate of the world.If she doesn’t like Sean Payton then the Waltons better listen.

  58. I have no idea who Mark Maske is but I am very troubled by the story that says people are assuming the problem with an ownership group is Condi Rice? Why would that be? Is it because she’s not only a woman, but also black? Is that the message we want out there that the only person we are to assume is the problem is not only the only woman, but very likely the only black person in these ownership groups? This is one of the most disappointing stories ever.

  59. Overrated just like Mike McCarthy. Won one SB with a HOF Qb. Hasn’t done anything since. He’s milking the situation to determine his marketing strategy to be in control of a franchise with a seasoned quarterback. He’s not going to go to a franchise starting from scratch to tarnish his so call legacy. Plus he has a Napolitano complex.

  60. The deal is all but done in Arizona, I’m kinda surprised that Florio and much of the media doesn’t seem to be paying attention. Expect. press conference by Monday. MARK IT!!

  61. When Shula won his only SB, his QB only threw for ~90 yards. He couldn’t win one with HOF QB Marino setting new passing records on a regular basis.

  62. If Rice has anything to do with the Denver group, Payton has a right to walk away. She turned her back on New Orleans during the Katrina catastrophe and she made money off the Iraqi war … Disgusting

  63. oldgrouch says:
    January 28, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    “When Shula won his only SB….”

    ======================================

    Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls, back to back.

    Jan. 14, 1973 Miami 14, Washington 7
    Jan. 13, 1974 Miami 24, Minnesota 7

  64. ok, I figured it out. Sean Payton is waiting for someone to invent a time machine so he can go back and coach the Patriots from 1999 to 2019

  65. Missing from this post: the Walter Mitty-esque flight of fancy that results in Payton becoming Chargers coach. See also: begging Lions ownership to veto the Stafford trade

  66. Russell Wilson wrecked the Broncos cap situation for the next few years, and he also wrecked their 2022 and 2023 drafts. Pursuing Payton will wreck another draft for them. I doubt he is going to Denver, unless the owners write him a huge check. In fact, he may be using that as leverage to get more TV money.

  67. duane0621 says:
    January 28, 2023 at 3:02 pm
    He’ll make $10M In TV while waiting for the Chargers to go 8-8 and get hired there.

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    You’re saying he’ll pass on $20-25 million per year guaranteed for 6+ years and full personnel control in Denver to make $10 million this year with no guarantees after?

  68. xpensivewino says:

    He will be super rich or super, super rich. End of story.
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    Just like Russell Wilson be super rich or super stupid rich!

  69. I stand by my previous comment. Payton is going to Denver. Any GM that will give up what they did to get Wilson and then sign him to that kind of extension, won’t bat an eye at giving up their future drafts for Payton.

  70. No way he goes to Dallas, Jerry will never cede anything to any other coach again
    Denver doesn’t seem to have what NO wants, plus Wilson is past it
    Arizona has nothing to offer, a lame QB, not enough talent to compete with SF, a healthy LA, and a dangerous Seattle
    Houston makes the most sense but they seem set on a much cheaper version, the DC in SF
    Wait till next year, is my answer on what Will happen

  71. donnymacjack says:
    January 28, 2023 at 9:37 pm
    I stand by my previous comment. Payton is going to Denver. Any GM that will give up what they did to get Wilson and then sign him to that kind of extension, won’t bat an eye at giving up their future drafts for Payton.

    ——

    Shows what you know. They traded for Russ before they bought the team, so this owner group has only learned from previous management mistakes. They’re definitely not like the Rams, and eager to trade away picks willy nilly. In fact, the Russ trade makes this possibility LESS likely, hence talks faltering. They might get desperate as things shake out not in their advantage, but their initial interest in Harbaugh, and emergence of Demeco Ryans means you’re pretty much wrong.

  72. Broncos mortgaged their future enough by giving Wilson the extension. They dont need to mortgage it more by signing Payton. Broncos are better off signing a John Fox type like they did after the McDaniels disaster.

  73. Speaking of Shula, greatest quote about an opposing coach came from Bum Phillips, who was the coach of the Houston Oilers
    talking about coach Don Shula
    “He could take his’n and beat Yourn, then turn around, take Yourn, and beat His’n !” God I love that quote

  74. Love how Vikings players forget to mention that they failed to provide protection to Favre in that playoff game an instead chose to keep doing quick slants and play action to take advantage of the blitzes instead of keeping a player back to protect Favre. They chose to let Favre take that beating.

    Poor Vikes always someone else’s fault.

  75. Proves the Saints got greedy and asked too much. As I understand it, Payton walks next year for nothing. Nicely played, Saints!

  76. whywerule says:
    January 28, 2023 at 5:03 pm
    “Why all the Love for Sean Payton? The only Head Coaches who did as bad or worse after years in the playoffs with a first ballot HOF QB were Don Shula and Tony Dungy.”

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    Shula is the best coach ever and nothing Belichick does will change that. Just compare the number of losing seasons Shula has had and the number Belichick has had. Plus, Belichick’s tenure as Patriots HC has had some controversial moments with rumors of team cheating.

    As for Sean Payton, he can thank the Chargers for drafting Rivers and Marty Schottenheimer
    for playing Brees in a meaningless game resulting in Brees getting an injury that put his career in question. As soon as the Chargers drafted Rivers, Brees started to play better. A lot better. Rivers held out and signed late, as a result Brees played.

  77. By stating that he would do the offensive play calling in Dallas, McCarthy has sealed his fate there. Jerry will now have the excuse to get rid of him as soon as a couple games goes south and Peyton will step in.

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