49ers would support return of third-quarterback rule

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When you have two quarterbacks, you have none. When you have two active quarterbacks on game day and they both get injured, you REALLY have none.

The 49ers learned that the hard way on Sunday in the NFC Championship. Brock Purdy suffered an elbow injury. Then, after quarterback Josh Johnson suffered a concussion, the 49ers had to rely on Purdy to take the snaps, even though he couldn’t throw the ball more than five yards.

During the season-ending press conference in Santa Clara, the question of the now-defunct third-quarterback rule came up. Coach Kyle Shanahan and G.M. John Lynch were asked whether they’d support such a move.

“Yeah, I definitely would be in favor of it,” Shanahan said. “We were scared to death when that rule ended, whatever many years ago that was, but you kind of forget about it since you just don’t see anyone have to go through it, but then you get reminded of how quickly a football game is over once that happens, so I think that would be a very smart thing to have.”

But the rule ended in 2011 because, in lieu of allowing a 46th player to be an emergency quarterback, the league allowed all teams to have 46 players in uniform. Teams could choose, if they wanted, to have the 46th man in uniform be a quarterback. Many opted to not make a quarterback the 46th man on game day.

So, basically, a return of the rule would result in a 47th man — a third quarterback — being in uniform.

“I think it’d be good for football,” G.M. John Lynch said. “You’re always trying to develop these guys, but you’re always weighing that carrying three as opposed to the roster value of being able to host a full complement of position players at different positions, so I think if the league just kind of gave you an out there, everybody would be forced to do it. You have more people in camps improving, I think it’d be good for football.”

It would definitely be good for football to not have a conference championship game that has both quarterbacks on one team getting injured, and the team having to use either an injured quarterback who couldn’t throw or a non-quarterback. And, yes, that’s more than enough of a reason to allow teams to have a third quarterback ready to go, just in case.

83 responses to “49ers would support return of third-quarterback rule

  1. Teams can. They just choose not to. Let’s see how in favor the 49ers are of the NFL mandating there be 3 qbs on the 46 man dress roster without adding a 47th. You’ll see how much they really care that quick.

  2. Of course they would !! They just played in a Championship game and threw one pass in the second half because they had no quarterbacks healthy enough. Let’s not change the rule books over one team’s misfortunes for one season . NFL=WWE

  3. Is there a bigger choker than Shanahan? Besides Aaron Rodgers I mean. Even that Dallas kicker made one eventually.

  4. I would be curious as to how many times this “46th player” actually plays in a game. Really dumb not to have enough players at the most important position in the game.

  5. Wasn’t the rule that they could dress a third quarterback but they could only go into the game if the first two are hurt? With the stipulation that once in the game, neither of the first two may play again.

  6. With the way the NFL checks for QBs and concussions, it would be great to have that third guy.

  7. I’m sure teams would capitalize on the third quarterback rule and have played such as Taysom Hill or an Antwaan Randle El listed as the third quarterback to carry an extra player.

  8. Ya think? Lol. Seriously though, how do you not have a third guy available or any plan for a third guy to be able to play the position in an emergency IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME? Big time fail there by the niners.

  9. Every year some team loses in the playoffs and every year they advocate for a rule change.. how long till we just play Rock Paper Scissors.. until the rules get changed where rock breaks through paper.

  10. With more protection for a QB than ever, at some point, somebody is going to question the 49ers strength and conditioning program for QB’s.

  11. Could have activated Jimmy. Even with a slightly sore foot he could have done more than Purdy out there with his arm like linguini. Seems to me that Shanahan either outsmarted himself or let his ego get in the way.

  12. There’s no rule that says you can’t have 3 QB’s. They even added a 46th player. It was a freak occurrence. But still, that’s why they added a 46th man. Just for insurance against freak happenings. The 49ers declined to take advantage of that. I have nothing but respect for the way the 49ers operate, so don’t take this wrong. You’re not going to win many battles trying to second guess Kyle Shanahan. He can run a franchise as well as anyone and better than most.

  13. Except there is NOT a rule stopping ANY of the 32 teams from having three Quarterbacks suited up and available to play each Sunday. It is up to the Head Coach as to how many players suit up and are eligible to play each game.

    If you are a Head Coach that puts a low value on Quarterback Protect, such as Shanahan, then it may be in YOUR best interest to have an extra Quarterback.

  14. There is no rule the 49ers couldn’t have five quarterbacks. Any team can suit up as many as they want and in todays NFL, many teams dress and have three active. This is all on John and Kyle, they knew the risk. Philly lead the league in sacks. If the 49ers were smart they’d have dressed three. I’m sure that Jimmy G could have got himself in good enough shape to be activated. Their outcome isn’t because the rule is bad, it’s because they didn’t plan for worst case scenarios.

  15. Should be if one qb gets hurt before halftime you can dress the inactive qb at halftime and designated him as active. If your qb gets hurt after halftime then you don’t get a backup.

  16. Of course they would !! They just played in a Championship game and threw one pass in the second half because they had no quarterbacks healthy enough. Let’s not change the rule books over one team’s misfortunes for one season . NFL=WWE

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    It was a rule for a long time now people are crying that it might be a rule again. If it’s a better product than what I watched (thank you DVR) in the NFC Championship game, I’ll take it. And I like the idea of teams having the opportunity to add a Taysom Hill, Kordell Stewart, Randel El guy. Maybe it will move the game away from the pass heavy game it’s become today and anything to make punters less relevant works for me.

  17. Why stop there? Might as well let teams carry an extra kicker and punter in case of injury too. The Chiefs got pretty thin at WR on Sunday, let’s start allowing teams to carry extra WRs too

  18. Shanahan is blaming the rule, which is a laugh. Jimmy G was ready but Shanny left him off the team and had for a backup … Josh Johnson? Look in the mirror to see who lost that game, Shanahan.

  19. As a Niner fan, listen up. As far as I”m concerned we went into the …..NFC Championship : drum roll game….. with ONE Quarter Back. Another rule is not needed when a team can’t do better than what I saw in this melt down.You could mandate 5 cannon fodder Q.B.’s for the grist mill. So What ? !!!

  20. Let’s just say, for argument’s sake, that they did have a third guy ready to go.

    Would it have made a difference in the outcome of that game?

    Thought so.

  21. We don’t need a 3rd quarterback rule. The teams have plenty of spots to dress 3 quarterbacks if they want. Seriously, just don’t dress that 53rd guy on your roster. Or do dress him and risk playing without a QB. Act like a coach.

  22. I don’t have much of a view on whether the third QB roster rule should come back. The posters here against it all make sense but I can understand the other side too.

    What is ridiculous is anyone arguing that having a third QB would have made a difference for the Niners on Sunday. Nope. They would have still been blown out. They weren’t going to win without Purdey. They weren’t going to win wtih Josh Johnson and they certainly weren’t going to win with whoever they would have had as third string. If they had someone better than Johnson, that guy would have been the backup QB. Nothing against Johnson personally. Everything I’ve heard is that he’s a great teammate and respected by teams, which is why teams keep hiring him even though he is 36 and has played less than the equivalent of one full season in his career.

  23. I mentioned before that I’ve done some coaching. As high as the collegiate level. If you break down the film of Shanahan’s offense you find that he relies more on one-on-one protection than any other NFL team. He uses very few doubles or chips from backs, etc., choosing instead to emphasize maximum receivers in the pattern.

    This is a calculated risk. The QB has more targets sooner into patterns. BUT if they don’t get open the QB is open to big hits.

    Here’s a great summary of Shanahan’s SF tenure.
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    frankgorever says:
    January 31, 2023 at 7:22 am
    4 of the 6 years shanahan has been coach we have started our 3rd string quarterback at least 5 games. That is NOT normal, and NOT a fluke. He is a good play caller but his play designs leave his quarterbacks out to dry

    2017- Hoyer (5), Beathard (6), Jimmy (5)
    2018- Jimmy (3), Beathard (5), Mullens (8)
    2019-Jimmy (16)
    2020- jimmy (6), Beathard (2), Mullens (8)
    2021- Jimmy (15), Trey (2)
    2022- Trey (2), Jimmy (10), Purdy (5), Johnson & back to Purdy
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    I challenge anyone to find another NFL team with these kinds of QB injuries.

    Anyone who thinks it’s coincidence is a homer.

  24. Why not just let everybody on the 53 man roster be active on game days and play?

    If the league is so concerned about safety, and also wants to put the best product on TV, let all the rostered players play.

  25. Somewhere Tim Tebow is wondering why do people assume the QB has to throw the ball to win? They didn’t even try to get creative – They couldve dink’d and dunk’d their way down the field as it was given – horrible coaaching.

  26. Tom Brady says:
    February 1, 2023 at 8:25 pm
    Is there a bigger choker than Shanahan? Besides Aaron Rodgers I mean. Even that Dallas kicker made one eventually.

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    “Hold my Beer”- Kirk Cousins

  27. The smartest replies of any thread I’ve seen on here. Like everyone else that is commenting on this article, this was due to bad game plan not a reason to change the rules. Stop being so flexible with the rules it’s the professional sport, unless it is necessary you shouldn’t be messing with the game.

  28. Any team CAN dress a 3rd QB but 99% of the time it’s a waste, so few teams do it, unless the QB is a gadget player too. But the NFL product sucks when one team doesn’t have a QB. And as a fan I’m much more concerned that we have a good game to watch on Sunday then that we can say Shanny should have dressed a 3rd QB on Monday.

  29. The league would want 18 games in return for an expanded playoff roster. Perhaps 53-54 players.

  30. Allow all 50-53 to play. More players will remain fresh resulting in a better product.

    What does an arbitrary limit of 46 provide?

  31. If the 49ers only had AJ McCarron or James Morgan as the emergency quarterback, their defense would have stopped the Eagles for sure.

  32. Emergency QB rule. 3rd QB suits up for the game. He only comes in when both QBs cannot continue. He cannot be used otherwise. Once he enters, the other QBs cannot re-enter the game. You’re welcome.

  33. So somebody less accomplished than Josh Johnson could try and get you into the Super Bowl? C’mon man.

  34. Let’s change a rule because the Niners didn’t have the proper personnel, yeah that sounds about right. It’s a teams choice not use 3 of the 46 uniformed players for the QB room. My Fins seemed constantly up against it as well and they dressed all 3 of theirs when healthy. All the rules protecting QBs and they dropped like flies this year. What’s the harm in having an athletic QB on the roster who could play special teams or WR/DB in a pinch? I remember the Niners years ago had Cody Pickett playing on the punt team as the personal protector. He was either 3rd or 4th on the QB depth chart but was out there tackling dudes and contributing on STs. More dudes like Taysom Hill could get a shot. A Jack of a trades but a master of none. Worth a thought.

  35. It is at the point it should be considered. The new nfl protocol is taking any concussion player out for the game. Having a 3rd qb for all teams is one extra spot on the roster. the 3rd qb can be cleared to play only if the nfl mandated physician says the player cannot return.

  36. The 49ers did open their season with 3 QBs on their roster, not necessarily their active roster. They didn’t even sign Josh Johnson until December. Who would they have been able to sign as the next QB that would have given them any chance in the game?

    I guess a better question is why Garappolo wasn’t active since they only thing he said he couldn’t do is sprint. Mahomes couldn’t really sprint either, but he did OK.

    The issue that hasn’t been mentioned is why is there a limit of 46 active players? If the salary cap stayed the same, it wouldn’t cost the owners any more money.

  37. itendtoknowitall says:
    February 1, 2023 at 8:29 pm

    I would be curious as to how many times this “46th player” actually plays in a game. Really dumb not to have enough players at the most important position in the game.

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    46 players isn’t that many when you account for how often teams substitute and special teams. Besides backup QBs and perhaps a backup up O-line player or two, every player on the roster sees action.

  38. Why is nobody slamming Shanahan for putting Purdy in harms way for no benefit at all. Guy was seriously injured yet he gets trotted out because offensive mastermind Shanny did not want to put the ball in CMC’s hands in a wildcat triple option.

    Purdy was injured largely because Shanny was too arrogant to gameplan for an overpowering Iggles D Line. Don’t block Riddick with a backup TE and maybe you don’t need so many QBs on your sideline.

  39. God forbid allowing an extra player suit up for a game. You just know this would somehow negatively the NFL’s bottom line.

  40. I wonder how many times the 3rd QB was needed when the rule was still active, that would give some context to the argument.

  41. Shanahan will never admit he needs to change things and take at least some responsibility for his QB’s safety. He just doesn’t see the connection between excessively running Lance when there was no need and trying to block one of PHI’s best pass rushers in the most important game of the season with a back-up tight end? It’s not his fault these actions resulted in injuries but could it be his fault that he puts his players in these positions which increase the risk they might get hurt?

  42. Will someone just stop with the rule change nonsense. Especially because of playoff losses. You chose to dress 2 qb’s and not 3. The last person you picked for the roster would be a backup on special teams that never saw the game. What’s next, complain the opposing team had a faster or stronger player and should be slowed down?

  43. I cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to this. Was it the 49ers responsibility that they ran out of QBs? Yes. However, that is not the issue. The issue is ensuring, as much as possible, that teams have enough quarterbacks to finish the game.

  44. I bet they would…wasn’t Garapolo suited up for the game last weekend? They showed him in uniform and pads hiding behind a water cooler…Guess he wasn’t willing to take one for the team. No wonder Shanahan disowned him…

  45. Did any of you read the article??? Everybody commenting like they are adding some keen insight when you are just reiterating what Florio clearly stated???

  46. Christian says:
    February 1, 2023 at 8:23 pm
    Of course they would !! They just played in a Championship game and threw one pass in the second half because they had no quarterbacks healthy enough. Let’s not change the rule books over one team’s misfortunes for one season . NFL=WWE
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    The issue is not what happened in this particular game or the 49ers specific roster decision for this one game. Rather, the issue is ensuring as much as possible that the fans get a watchable, competitive game. Do you really want to see again what happened in the NFC Championship game?

    Besides, what could adding the extra QB roster spot possibly hurt?

  47. Fact of the matter is that BOTH Brock Purdy and Josh Johnson were completely healthy going into the NFCCG.

    So there was no real need for Shanahan to lose a position player for his choice last Sunday.

    That being said… its Football

  48. Is there something about the Shanahan system that leaves the QBs exposed and more susceptible to getting hit? Mike McDaniel was also down to his third stringer at the end.

  49. It wouldn’t matter if they had a third QB to back up Josh Johnson, presumably a lesser quarterback than he. The Niners were toast when he had to strap on his helmet.
    Next time don’t ask your backup TE to block a premier pass rusher like Reddick. Doh!

  50. When they expanded the schedule to 17 games they should’ve allowed for 53 men to be dressed on gameday.

  51. I imagine McDaniel runs the same offense in Miami still… which makes me wonder why Shanahan offenses injure QBs so often

  52. The 49er couldn’t even get 2 quarterbacks prepared for the conference championship. Would it really have mattered if they had a 3rd? Seriously, Josh Johnson couldn’t even break a huddle or snap the ball in time. Horrible job of preparing him for that game. The only thing he could do was either hand the ball off or throw screens to McCaffrey. If he stayed in the game, the Eagles would’ve won by 40!

  53. They should bring it back, especially with concussions rules that can very quickly rule a guy out.

  54. How about a breakdown of snap counts to show how dumb teams are in not properly assembling rosters. Analytics say to go on 4th downs on certain spots.

    Do analytics show SF should have dressed 5 WR and 9 DB? Their last DB played 4 special teams snaps only. Eagles had 7 LB

    If WRs go down, pretty sure RB and TE can fill in to get by. Even DBs

    What if your K gets hurt, most punters probably couldn’t make a 40 yard FG

    Never understood why teams don’t have a backup K and 3rd QB for gameday…

  55. The way 49ers QB’s were dropping, maybe three QB’s isn’t enough. At some point you have to ask yourself if your offense is creating situations where the QB’s can get hurt and maybe make some changes.

  56. If Jimmy G was activated and went into that game….he would’ve been injured also. That’s his m.o. and why he won’t be back in San Fran

  57. mh09 says:
    February 2, 2023 at 7:52 am
    How about a breakdown of snap counts to show how dumb teams are in not properly assembling rosters. Analytics say to go on 4th downs on certain spots.

    Do analytics show SF should have dressed 5 WR and 9 DB? Their last DB played 4 special teams snaps only. Eagles had 7 LB

    If WRs go down, pretty sure RB and TE can fill in to get by. Even DBs

    What if your K gets hurt, most punters probably couldn’t make a 40 yard FG

    Never understood why teams don’t have a backup K and 3rd QB for gameday…
    ______________

    Do you really believe that a backup kicker is going to play more than the four snaps of the backup DB you referenced? Carrying a backup kicker on game day would be the hugest waste of a roster spot ever.

  58. I’m all for it, but the talent level and the preparedness of a 3rd quarterback wouldn’t make it that significant. It would likely lead to either a similar game plan that that the 49ers followed with running the ball, or worse…the 3rd quarterback being a liability with sacks, turnovers and false start penalties (e.g. Josh Johnson).

  59. How likely are you to win if you get down to your emergency 3rd QB in a single game? I mean, if they change the rule and make it available, fine. But if they don’t, oh well. I’ll just concede that my team probably wasn’t going to win that game either way. Once SF got to Johnson, the game was likely already over. The guy they weren’t able to dress probably wasn’t going to do a whole lot better than the one armed Purdy did.

  60. Yet, he stupidly didn’t dress Garoppolo with arrogance. Shanahan stinks in big games and decision making. In fact, he may be the worst I’ve ever seen.

  61. ejvyas says:
    February 1, 2023 at 11:25 pm

    Allow all 50-53 to play. More players will remain fresh resulting in a better product.

    What does an arbitrary limit of 46 provide?
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    Teams have expressed two objections:
    1. There could easily be situations where one team does not have 53 healthy players available, leading to a competitive mismatch. Sure, you could pad the roster with unprepared, undeveloped practice squad guys, but is that really better?

    2. Coaches wouldn’t use the extra active spots to rest players or maintain a suitable reserve capability, but to create even more highly specialized packages, sub-packages, and sub-sub-packages for defense, gadget players for offense, and super-specialists for situation downs. In other words, exactly where we are now, just with more people.

    The drop off between QB1 and QB2 is usually significant in the NFL, and between QB2 and QB3 even deeper, so it’s pure dreaming to think this rule would’ve kept the PHL-SF game exciting. After all, remember that SF was starting QB3, with QB4 as a back-up. Does anyone think this game would’ve been like the CIN-KC contest *if only* SF had been able to put in QB5?

  62. The rule as it already is puts the decision in their own GM’s hands to put a 3rd QB on the roster. He didn’t. So all of this blaming the league is preposterous. The only blame to go around is onto the 49ers GM.

  63. Well colts carried 3 at times on the roster this yr we still didn’t have a good one but we had 3 on the roster

  64. The solution is even more simple – the entire roster is available for all games if they are not put out to pasture on some designation. There is no reason to have a game time roster and to have a full roster. They should all be allowed to play.

  65. Dae says:
    February 1, 2023 at 10:32 pm
    Somewhere Tim Tebow is wondering why do people assume the QB has to throw the ball to win? They didn’t even try to get creative – They couldve dink’d and dunk’d their way down the field as it was given – horrible coaaching.

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    Truth ^^^.

    As an Eagles fan, I can tell you that the thought of CMC in wildcat running weird, undiagnosable plays with Deebo in end arounds, reverses, and flea flickers actually scared me more than the thought of Purdy simply handing off to play out the string. They ran one play like that until Purdy could take the field and it gained chunk yardage. And why wouldn’t it? Put the ball in the hands of your most talented guys, SF! Not saying it would’ve won SF the game, but it certainly would’ve made it more interesting.

  66. No Florio! That will inevitably lead to there quickly becoming a 47 man game day roster. And teams will dress only 2 QBs again. A better idea is maybe design plays where a backup tight end isn’t blocking a premier pass rusher one on one. That Purdy play wasn’t the only one like that. There were several other times he had a single tight end blocking Hassan Reddick. And people still call that guy a good coach. Unbelievable.

  67. Shanahan was down to his fourth QB and McDaniels nearly got Tua killed in Miami. Same system, coincidence?
    I wouldn’t use the term Glass with any of these QBs under these circumstances.

  68. You know what would be great…. if each team could carry a third QB that did not count against the roster. In order to do so though the third QB would have to be a minority. Another genius idea that would develop players at a position under the guise of equity, while being ultimately racist and discriminating but perfectly okay because it only effect’s White males looking for the very same opportunity. Which is somehow okay now.
    The new NFL is the champion of doing more wrong to fix a wrong. That always works…said no one ever.

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