Raiders, Derek Carr keep moving toward a divorce

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The Raiders wish to trade quarterback Derek Carr. As Billy Bob Thornton said in Bad Santa, “Wish in one had, shit in the other one, see which one fills up first.”

Apparently in response to criticism of their handling of Carr trade talks, which included a suggestion that the Raiders should approach a potential trade of Carr the same way the Texans handled a trade of Deshaun Watson, the Raiders mobilized Adam Schefter of ESPN to create the impression that the Raiders are doing just that.

As noted by Vic Tafur, who covers the Raiders for TheAthletic.com: “Nothing has changed. This is just word scramble. Carr’s agent can’t talk to teams until they agree on compensation, which they likely wouldn’t until they talk about the contract.” Significantly, Carr himself “liked” Tafur’s tweet.

If the Raiders are doing what Schefter suggests they’re doing, they’re obviously being unreasonable in their expectations, because the current list of teams with which Carr is authorized to speak stands at . . . none.

So the Raiders need to soften their demand. It’s that simple.

And here’s where things are very different between Carr’s case and Watson’s — Carr has $40.4 million in future salary that becomes fully guaranteed on February 15. The Raiders can avoid that obligation only if they work out a trade with another team, and if that other team doesn’t do to coach Josh McDaniels before the start of the new league year in March what McDaniels did to the Colts five years ago (i.e., exercise their absolute right to refuse to follow through with a verbal agreement),

Unless the Raiders give Carr permission to talk to other teams about a potential trade soon, he will (or at least should) refuse to ever waive his no-trade clause, forcing the Raiders to choose between cutting him before February 15 or owing him $40.4 million. Given that owner Mark Davis isn’t among the richest owners in the league, that’s an obligation he likely has little interest in assuming.

Thus, for now, we’re assuming Carr will be released by February 15. There’s simply no reason for him to accept any other outcome.

51 responses to “Raiders, Derek Carr keep moving toward a divorce

  1. Given that owner Mark Davis isn’t among the richest owners in the league, that’s an obligation he likely has little interest in assuming.
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    Do the owners not split the revenue and then 48% of that revenue each team receives goes toward player salaries? Would Davis not receive the same amount as any other NFL owner?

  2. It’s a bad look by the GM and HC. Try to get a lot, but they will get nothing. Hope I’m wrong. Contract is way to expensive and has no trade clause. Just accept a mid round pick and be happy. Jared Stidham is just as good as Carr. Focus on signing him at 3-5 million per season for two years then focus on drafting a QB with the 7th pick and signing a veteran backup so you go into the Season with a Veteran plus Stitham plus a first or second round rookie QB. Then fill the gaps in the O-line and defense. Focus now! Quit with the idiot games that you lose and makes you look foolish.

  3. As a Broncos fan, I’m happy to finally have an experienced head coach, however, I’m highly pessimistic about what he can actually get out of a team who traded all their picks for Russ and Payton. The guys particularly on the offense are not gonna cut it.

  4. The ridiculous Stafford and Russell Wilson trades are making other teams super jealous. Now the Raiders want a haul for Carr. I don’t see it.

  5. It doesn’t matter how rich or poor Mark Davis is as to paying Carr $40M. The issue is what that salary does to their cap.

  6. bmurrs says:
    February 3, 2023 at 7:57 pm
    As a Broncos fan, I’m happy to finally have an experienced head coach, however, I’m highly pessimistic about what he can actually get out of a team who traded all their picks for Russ and Payton. The guys particularly on the offense are not gonna cut it.

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    Thanks for your thoughts. Now what does any of the above have to do with the article about Derrick Carr?

  7. The Raiders seem wholly unprepared, unqualified, inept, whatever at dealing with this… whatever their strategy, the clock is ticking and they don’t appear to have an actual strategy.

  8. They should just let the 15th pass then trade him. No one will give up anything if they think he gets released in 2 weeks. The leverage shifts back to the Raiders after the 15th because Carr is so done with McDaniels and company he’d rather be anywhere else. Same dead money hit for the Raiders if he’s moved before or after the 15th.

  9. Pola pe’a says:
    February 3, 2023 at 8:12 pm
    bmurrs says:
    February 3, 2023 at 7:57 pm
    As a Broncos fan, I’m happy to finally have an experienced head coach, however, I’m highly pessimistic about what he can actually get out of a team who traded all their picks for Russ and Payton. The guys particularly on the offense are not gonna cut it.

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    Thanks for your thoughts. Now what does any of the above have to do with the article about Derrick Carr?
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    Exactly! bmurrs’s obvious lack of Essential Football Knowledge is apparently leading him/her to somehow believe that Future HOF Quarterback Russell Wilson will not be Successful, now that the Weak Link Coach was replaced!…..smh….

  10. rraider says:
    February 3, 2023 at 8:45 pm
    They should just let the 15th pass then trade him. No one will give up anything if they think he gets released in 2 weeks. The leverage shifts back to the Raiders after the 15th because Carr is so done with McDaniels and company he’d rather be anywhere else. Same dead money hit for the Raiders if he’s moved before or after the 15th.
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    Sounds good….EXCEPT for Carr’s No Trade Clause……

  11. You could bring in the best GM and the Raiders would find a way to screw things up. The “Raider way” is the way of ineptitude and confusion. Until Mark Davis leaves, the team will always be the bottom of franchises.

  12. Most of the NFL Billionaires Club, i.e.. the Owners, made most of their money in other businesses prior to purchasing an NFL club. Not so for Mark Davis. None of them would want to write that 40 Million check, but most can. I doubt Davis is in the class, part of the reason he has that funny haircut.

  13. Carr needs to thank his agent for helping to get him great leverage. No trade & guarantees on the 15th of February shifts all the way to him. The fact that the Raiders haven’t released him to talk & find a potential trade partner is mind blowing. Without that first step, the only choice(s) before the 15th is to pay him or release him. The CAP space savings are $29M if they release him. That, plus the $19M space the Raider’s already enjoy, would make for lots of maneuvering room.

  14. Carr has more hand in this relationship than a wife with pictures of her husband balls deep in the nanny.

    He has plenty of money will just force to be cut and be free of that turd bowl of a franchise. How many times during his time did they trade away assets and squander picks. He won’t allow them another pick.

  15. Derek Carr is toast. Nobody in their right mind, wants that mascarw wearing bible thumping loser. Who is their head coach except for a double agent deployed by the king of the east.

    The Broncos, on the other hand, are just as hosed – but for different monetary reasons.

    The Chargers are a threat to Kansas city, but only because of Herbert.

    Chiefs rule this division for another 8 years, minimum.

  16. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    February 3, 2023 at 7:48 pm
    Mac Jones > Derek Carr
    +++++++++++±++++
    Mac Jones < Brock Purdy with a torn Ulna

  17. Not sure too many teams would want him for the money. Maybe the Jets but I think they want Rodgers first unless they see Rodgers as a very short term aide and Carr as a longer term guy.

  18. No one is going to trade for Carr at price. Also, teams will love to opportunity to cripple the Raiders for a few years. The Raiders are going to have to eat that money. Carr is going to get that, and the $25 million the Jets or Buccaneers are going to pay

  19. Every time the raiders make a legitimate move, they make themselves look like the butt end of the joke. Davabte made them look good for about 6months, but that was all window dressing. Now he wants out too and probably wishes he had never came to vegas

  20. Derek Carr could not move the chains in the 2nd half. 3rd down, 4 yards to go, shot gun 2 receivers open, wide open, incomplete pass. Defense on the field the entire 2nd half. Ok, that said are you going to pay this guy 40 million??? He’s done as a Raider. No one in the AFC West is going to sign him, unless they want to be fired. Get what you can for him. A 5th round pick or a 3rd is just fine, move on. A first or a 2nd, get off the crack now! Sign Jared Stidham, he got 29 1st downs against the SF defense, 500 yards offense, lost in OT. Can’t afford 5 million a season for 2 seasons? The dude could actually develop. Carr never did. Raiders have the 7th pick. Take the top QB available. Sign a Backup Veteran for 10 million. You’re still paying 1/2 of what you payed for Carr and you have 3 guys: Stidham, a rookie 1st rounder and a backup Veteran, plus a mid round draft pick to bolster the O-line or defenseman.

  21. Keep him on the roster and let him play second fiddle, reality is that come training camp and pre-season some team will be in need of a starter and the raiders will take advantage. They are in Vegas-ROLL THE DICE !!!

  22. The Raiders can spin it however they wish and try playing hardball, but it won’t serve them. If they choose to hang onto Carr into free agency, they’ll have to dedicate a large part of their salary cap towards him, hamstringing their efforts at signing and retaining players.
    There is every likelihood the resulting drama would take a great deal of time to resolve, creating a huge distraction when they are trying to build team cohesion.
    Given the Raiders weak negotiating position, I doubt the resulting drama would be worth picks, valuable as they would be; they wouldn’t be worth a season. They should just cut him and move on.

  23. supercharger says:
    February 3, 2023 at 7:58 pm
    The ridiculous Stafford and Russell Wilson trades are making other teams super jealous. Now the Raiders want a haul for Carr. I don’t see it.
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    The.Rams.Won.The.SuperBowl.With.The.Stafford.Trade.
    In their own stadium.
    City of LA made made millions.
    Yeah, you were saying about THAT ridiculous trade?

  24. It would be nice to see the Raiders and Carr not say anything bad about the other in front of Devante Adams…

  25. I think the Raiders are totally stupid, if they expect a trade under the circumstances, no way anybody trades for Carr
    It’s just cloud cuckoo land 🤣

  26. Derek Carr should just keep his mouth closed and be patient until 15 Feb. Also, on Valentine’s day he should invite his agent out to dinner with his family and hand him a bonus check because he just hooked Derek up with a very smart player friendly contract. His agent just put Derek in a situation where if the Raiders and Carr ever part ways, the Raiders will have to either cut him, pay him, and if they cut him, he hits free agency earlier than most to get him to wherever he wants to go. Funny thing is, the Raiders will get jack or will have to pay $40M for a QB that they obviously don’t want anymore. Derek can screw the Raiders hard by doing exactly nothing but following his contract to the letter that the Raiders stupidly agreed upon. It’s always nice to see a player out smart a totally incompetent nfl team front office.

  27. In other sports, we make a bigger deal of disrespect.

    Given what Carr has done for the Raiders over time, his benching was an act of disrespect.

    And he was therefore justified in leaving the team, finding other options, and treating the Raiders as if they were not a part of his narrative.

  28. TheTruth says:
    Do the owners not split the revenue and then 48% of that revenue each team receives goes toward player salaries? Would Davis not receive the same amount as any other NFL owner?
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    Yes, Davis would receive the same amount of shared league revenue as any other owner—but why would you think that somehow make him one of the richest owners? A little bit of basic math will show you this is not the case. To elaborate: Mark Davis has a net worth of about $2B; conversely, Jerry Jones has a net worth of about $14B. If Davis and Jones both receive the same amount of revenue, that does not magically make him as rich as Jerry Jones. Shared league money would have zero impact on the wealth gap between owners.

  29. rraider says:
    February 3, 2023 at 8:45 pm
    They should just let the 15th pass then trade him. No one will give up anything if they think he gets released in 2 weeks. The leverage shifts back to the Raiders after the 15th because Carr is so done with McDaniels and company he’d rather be anywhere else. Same dead money hit for the Raiders if he’s moved before or after the 15th.

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    You could not be more wrong. First, if the Raiders wait until the 15th, they are responsible for Carr’s $40M guarantee salary. That is ACTUAL money they have to pay out, as opposed with dead money, which only counts against their salary cap. Second, and probably more important, Carr had a no-trade clause. They could not trade him anywhere he did not want to go (and it is extremely unlikely that another team would give up anything for the chance to pay $40M to a castaway). Lastly, if the Raiders cut him (which is likely, at this point), he is free to sign with whomever wants him. Other teams know that they can just wait, not give up any players or picks, AND they can get him for less than the $40M he would be due via trade.

  30. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    February 3, 2023 at 7:48 pm
    Mac Jones > Derek Carr

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    Is Carr STILL doing it?????

    (“It” being whatever it is that he did that makes you stalk him the way you do)

  31. You could not be more wrong. First, if the Raiders wait until the 15th, they are responsible for Carr’s $40M guarantee salary. That is ACTUAL money they have to pay out, as opposed with dead money, which only counts against their salary cap. Second, and probably more important, Carr had a no-trade clause. They could not trade him anywhere he did not want to go (and it is extremely unlikely that another team would give up anything for the chance to pay $40M to a castaway). Lastly, if the Raiders cut him (which is likely, at this point), he is free to sign with whomever wants him. Other teams know that they can just wait, not give up any players or picks, AND they can get him for less than the $40M he would be due via trade.

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    They don’t pay anything out in real money if they trade him… and he’s not acting like a guy who is going to decline the opportunity to play somewhere else (farewell message in the paper, NFL gear rather than Raiders gear at the pro bowl, etc, etc). He would be free to re-work the contract with his new team if he chooses. Love him or hate him he is still one of the 15 best QBs in the league. Someone will give up something to get him. If it goes past the start of the new league year (March 15th) the Raiders still have $35M or so in cap space with Carr still on the roster and they would open up a bunch more once he’s traded.

  32. What team is desperate enough to give up draft capital and pay him 40+ million? They’ll just wait until he gets cut and negotiate a new deal when he’s a FA. The only reason to work a trade is to get him before someone else does. There aren’t going to be many buyers with that contract. His agent must be a Jedi. “You will give us 40 million. You will give us a no trade clause. These are not the droids you’re looking for.”

  33. Stidham is the key. Both were with the Pats, there’s a history. Guy has talent, can spin it; he’ll be starting QB next year allowing Raiders to fill other spots.

  34. ****

    touchback6 says:
    February 3, 2023 at 8:31 pm

    McDaniels knows Carr has no other gear

    ****

    Carr has gears, it’s just that McDaniels doesn’t know how to drive, only having been riding shotgun to BB. People assume he can drive just because he’s been in the same car with BB. That’s the problem with so called “coaching trees, schools etc”. They are just media talk

  35. The Raiders did Carr dirty,… now it’s time for Derek to return the favor.
    I don’t blame him at all. Do what’s right for you Derek. Screw the Raiders.

  36. Only the Raiders could have a Pro Bowl, Top 10 Franchise QB and completely screw that up year after year, culminating in said Pro Bowl, Top 10, Franchise QB holding them over a cliff.

  37. So tired of the Carr drama. The Raiders have every right to move off him. He was a sub- average qb, widely deemed as soft, and the bulk of his stats came in garbage time. He is not a winner. Say goodbye and let him go.

  38. thos77 says:
    February 3, 2023 at 11:45 pm
    No one in the AFC West is going to sign him
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    Wow thats a bold and fearless statement. You really dont think the Chiefs are going to release Mahomes for Carr? Nor the Chargers are going to give Hebert about 250 million for 6 years this off season and extend him? Lastly you really think the broncos are not getting rid of Russell and putting $100 million in dead space. I’m not so sure about that. I guess we will will have to wait and see.

  39. The Raiders can take control of the situation by keeping Carr past the 15th, then trading him and let the new team take on his salary.

  40. The Raiders can take control of the situation by keeping Carr past the 15th, then trading him and let the new team take on his salary…..no, they can’t. That’s not how any of this works. If they keep him past the 15th, THEY guarantee his salary. Any trade partner can tell the Raiders that the Raiders have to pay some or all of the salary. When the Raiders say no deal, then they(the Raiders) are responsible to pay the whole thing.

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