It’s time for a Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame

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Deion Sanders was right.

There needs to be a Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame.

Every year, up to eight new members join the supposed immortals in Canton. It feels more like the filling of a quota than the bestowing of the highest possible honor in the sport.

The Hall of Fame is a museum in a city of 70,000 residents. One weekend every summer, to become the center of the NFL’s universe.

That universe will be smaller if the number of new Hall of Famers was limited.

The goal is to get as many people as possible to come to town for that weekend. That’s why they almost always induct the highest number of available candidates. It’s why they choose the teams for the game based in part on the membership in the incoming class. The hotels are full, the money is flowing, and all is right with the world.

And that’s fine. But the ongoing influx of Hall of Famers makes more conspicuous the fact that there’s no mechanism for separating the very best of the very best.

Deion would be one of them. Freshly retired (for now) Tom Brady would be one of them. Basically, anyone for whom there is no debate as to whether they should be in the Hall of Fame becomes a candidate for a Hall within the Hall.

Sanders has suggested that a starting lineup be constructed of all-time greats. But true greatness transcends position. We all know the all-time greats, the ones who stand above the other all-time greats.

Brady. Peyton. Deion. Jim Brown. Jerry Rice. Reggie White. Alan Page. Lawrence Taylor. Ronnie Lott. Bill Belichick. George Halas. To name a few.

While there would be spirited debate regarding whether to create a Hall within the Hall, there should be no debate about who gets in. If there’s any legitimate disagreement, the answer is no.

These are the no-brainers. The choices that no one can dispute with a straight face. The ones who have become, and remained, household names.

If we acknowledge that the Hall of Fame is, at its core, a business, it would be good business to decide, for example, that an inaugural 10-person Hall of Fame Hall of Famers will be named one per year for the next decade. After that, they’ll be added when it’s clear that they need to be added.

143 responses to “It’s time for a Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame

  1. No it’s not. It’s a team sport. And Belichick got caught cheating, was it 2 or 3 times?

  2. Sorry, don’t agree. HoF is already for the best. How many can you say that are in there, as an unbiased observer, don’t belong?

  3. I think everyone can agree the HoF is getting watered down. There doesn’t need to be a hall within the hall. Let the teams continue to use their ring of honor for those on the fringe. Stop letting anyone with a decent career get in.

  4. If getting into the Hall of Fame isn’t good enough, the fix isn’t to inflate an ego any more and create Hall of Fame PLUS. This is dumb. TB and Deion are first-ballot HOF’s, Terrell Owens made a mockery of the process, and at the end of the day it doesn’t matter, its a way for the sports community to honor their greatness in the game and celebrate them. If that’s not good enough then maybe we should re-think how we spend our Sunday’s.

  5. Then in 20 years we can make the case for a Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame.

  6. Media types ALWAYS ignore the pre-merger NFL players.
    Don Hutson
    Sid Luckman
    Otto Graham
    And others.
    Not a HOF within a HOF without them.

  7. Great idea but will never happen. And there will always be some diva receiver who thinks he was in the class of Rice.

  8. Brady. Peyton. Deion. Jim Brown. Jerry Rice. Reggie White. Alan Page. Lawrence Taylor. Ronnie Lott. Bill Belichick. George Halas. To name a few.
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    Yes, these are those who are retired and were unarguably great. And once first ballot HOF QB Russell Wilson decides he’s graced us enough with his greatness, he will sit on top.

  9. So the hall of good inducts more and more players each year for Canton economic development?

  10. Why isn’t Brian Mitchell part of the HOF? He should be in Canton. Special Teams is part of the game as well and he represents the Best of the Best! Florio, get on the B Mitch train!

  11. Why not just have a designation for 1st team, backups, 3rd stringers and practice squad hall of famers ?

  12. guybushsghostreborn says:
    February 4, 2023 at 9:35 am
    Sorry, don’t agree. HoF is already for the best. How many can you say that are in there, as an unbiased observer, don’t belong?

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    When Eli Manning gets voted in, he would certainly be one that doesn’t belong.

  13. minime says:
    February 4, 2023 at 9:43 am
    Media types ALWAYS ignore the pre-merger NFL players.
    Don Hutson
    Sid Luckman
    Otto Graham
    And others.
    Not a HOF within a HOF without them
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    The article includes Jim Brown and George Halas so no, pre-merger greats were not ignored.

  14. Just for perspective, here’s some math:
    32 teams x 53 players is 1696 players at a time, not counting practice teamers and IR players. Drop that to 1600 just to make the math simpler, and you have 8 per year out of 1600 making the HOF. That is 1/2 of 1%, or 1 player out of 200 in the current era that will make the HOF.
    I’m ok with that. We can always disagree about, say, who the 7th or 8th guys should be in a given year.
    My complaint is that there are too many freakin’ “contributers”, meaning owners and executives. I’d leave the HOF to the players and a handful of coaches

  15. And a Hall of Fame within that Hall of Fame and another Hall of Fame within that Hall of Fame and then another Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame then we’ll be good

  16. For once I agree with Florio. It’s become the Hall of Pretty Good. Just because 8 spots are available doesn’t mean 8 guys have to be inducted. If there are only 2-3 deserving, so be it.

  17. With the game and players ever evolving from decade to decade, appropriately deciding which of these HOF’s should be in a group that surpasses the already existing title of “first ballot HOFer” would be asking for a flawed process.

  18. Deion Neon never tackled anybody, not even once. He ran for cover or dove for the dirt. Business decisions, I believe they call it. And it worked fine for his business of being Prime Time.

    But how does he make the starting lineup (especially if you’re putting Coach Lombardi in — he’d just run that power sweep at Deion’s side every single play)? It is TACKLE football they play, after all.

  19. I’ve always thought about that. Maybe have a Gold Wing in the HOF. Joe Montana would be the first guy going in. But this would end up being another thing driven by media hype. Or, they’re going to start comparing stats, which is not an accurate way to judge how good a guy was. As long as they’re going to screw it up anyway, just keep it the way it is. I have my own HOF. Whenever my kids ask me if a player is a HOFer, I answer with no regard who’s actually in the Hall or who is not. There are a lot of guys in that don’t belong, and there will be some going into the Hall in the near future that were just way over-hyped guys. I stopped paying attention a few years ago. I took the ring out of my nose.

  20. Only in America would someone have a thought like this.

    It’s 2023 and the world is rotting.

  21. There’s a Super Bowl in just over a week, filler ‘articles’ like this should be saved for June or July. We need more Eagles / Chiefs stories or more about how Jerry & the Cowboys are really gonna be great next year and will definitely make a deep playoff run.

  22. The problem with trying to establish a “if you have to debate it, then he doesn’t get in” line is that there must ALWAYS be a line – and by necessity, there will be those only just above (but still above), still below (but just missing), and ON the line. Therefore, there must always be a debate with some players; it’s unavoidable. The moment you drop all the players close to “the line”, you then just move the line up and begin the debate anew at that next tier.

  23. Bro, Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous to be in the first group to go to Cooperstown (don’t believe he received the most votes as well. Simply the MOST important baseball player ever). A little too black and white to say if there is a disagreement, no go. There are writers that don’t vote for guys because they didn’t like the guys’ personalities when they played, etc. (I get it, means the voter should get the boot). Lots of guys didn’t vote for Bill Russell because he was such a tough interview. No one can argue he is right at the top of the list of greatest NBA players ever (if not the best, although that is next to impossible to label anyone).

  24. Ridiculous. Why devalue those who have been inducted? And by the way I would never put Deion in that exclusive group. He was a one trick pony and at best the second best CB of his generation behind Rod Woodson, who could do it all. Thus, you see that there’s still immediate controversy. Leave it like it is. It’s fine.

  25. It might be interesting to make an all-NFL-history team like the all-decade teams. Then you would get one at each position so there wouldn’t be eight times as many QBs as guards, for example.

    If Brady is the single GOAT player then he is the QB hands down. Who is your starting RB – Barry, Sweetness, Jim Brown, OJ (LOL)? And Brian Mitchell could get in for ST.

  26. I guess I’m just confused. I think we already have this. It’s called “1st Ballot.” Now maybe the Hall needs to do a little 1st Ballot recognition every once in awhile, but we have a “hall within the hall” and it is the 1st ballot inductees. That is the clear measuring stick of the greatest of the hall. It is organic & has been happening since the hall opened.

  27. So you’re saying that somewhere down the Hall Of Fame should be a janitor’s closet where the true legends are huddled around a mop bucket, sharing a blunt?

  28. fame
    /fām/

    noun
    the state of being known or talked about by many people, especially on account of notable achievements.

    Based on that definition alone the players who have gotten there certainly belong.

    e·lite
    /iˈlēt,āˈlēt/

    noun
    a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

    Maybe there should be a Hall of Elite in a new city with better economic circumstances.

  29. Deion & this suggestion, on its face, is so disrespectful to the institution that it insults everyone. Those in the HOF and those inducted in the future don’t deserve to be disrespected by the suggestion that they are not really HOF first tier Quality.

  30. Deion was great but not perfect so perhaps there should be a HOF for players within the HOF for those who normally made “business decisions” and wanted nothing to do with tackling?

  31. guybushsghostreborn says:
    February 4, 2023 at 9:35 am
    Sorry, don’t agree. HoF is already for the best.

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    When guys like Terrell Davis, Jerome Bettis and Tony Dungy get in, is become the Hall of Pretty Good

  32. Absolutely NOT! As it is too much debate over fringe players to even get in. Zach Thomas should be in, but is not. So this just gaslights another level of bureaucracy. Is Bruce Smith better than Mean Joe Green for “1st Team”, etc. Just build a new wing to the bldg. We have our heroes and quite frankly the next generation deserve theirs too.

  33. I think if you’re a first ballot hall of famer pretty much suggested you belong. If you had to wait multiple years, it’s suggesting you’re hall of very good. Being first ballot implies their greatness. And usually there’s one or two players get in on first ballot. I think that’s good metrics without making things complicated. The hall committee needs to hold the first ballot slots more seriously. If there’s no one deserving that year of first ballot just move on to the backlog of 5 lesser players so they will still continue to make money and have the annual event.

  34. I personally don’t think there’s anyone in the Pro Football HOF that doesn’t deserve to be there. Sure, Bob Griese is in. He’s the worst HOFer. But he quarterbacked two Super Bowl Champions, and the only undefeated, untied team in history. I thought you were going a different direction here. I thought the Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame would be for assistant coaches like Bud Carson, Joe Bugel, Jim Hanifan, Dante Scarnecchia, Buddy Ryan, Howard Mudd and Tom Moore, among many others. THAT’S a group that needs to be represented. The way it is now is fine, except for the fact that Jerry Jones is enshrined.

  35. There’s no need for a Hall of Fame within a Hall of Fame.

    What’s needed is for those who run the Hall of Fame to recognize that their selection process has become a sports-wide joke and needs to be fixed. All of its required minimums and subcategories make the Hall of Fame a genuine joke.

    Selecting eight (or whatever) candidates each year regardless of whether those guys are qualified (and most aren’t) has diluted the Hall of Fame to such a degree that more and more fans don’t take it seriously. It isn’t the Basketball Hall of Fame yet in terms of accepting just about anyone who played as a regular for a decade, but it’s getting there.

    So: quit inducting all these ridiculous candidates who were occasional All-Pros. Baseball does a lot of things wrong, but here’s one thing it does right: it understands that exclusivity is important when it comes to Halls of Fame. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is about as selective as state school admissions.

    Let’s leave the Andre Tippetts, Sam Mills, and LeRoy Butler’s of the world out of the Hall of Fame–where they belong.

  36. This silly article makes me long for the usual whining about the pro bowl that usually happens on this weekend.

  37. As long as Dolly Parton, Notorious B.I.G (alias Biggie Small), Madonna etc.. don’t get in I am fine. But it does feel like it is getting diluted like the Rock n Roll HOF. When Brady’s trainer is up for nomination its time to call it a day.

  38. I think a better solution is to have two generational teams for every 10-20 years of the NFL.This way you can account for differences in athletic science, rules, play styles, and player recruitment. You’re not stuck comparing Sammy Baugh to Tom Brady. You make room for a FB in the past who don’t make a starting lineup now. As you come into the 50s and 60s generation you could have one team in a 3-4 defense and the other in 4-3, in the modern era you might have one team run 3 WRs and the other 2 TEs. It also gives you the opportunity to add special teams players who were not HOF worthy because of the position and give them recognition for being the best at what the did in the time they played. The whole thing can be drawn out, especially as the NFL is just over 100 years old, build the teams from 1920 until 2000 over the course of the next 17 years. Then in 2040 get into the rythm of 2-3 players a year for a generation that ended 20-40 years ago. In 2060 recognize players from 2020-2040. Nostalgia, history, drama, suspense, replica jerseys, endless debates on the merits of Manning over Manning.

  39. Suppose there was an inner ring to the Hall of Fame. Shouldn’t it at least be required to be a first ballot Hall of Famer in order to be considered for it?

    Alan Page is supposedly an inner-ring Hall of Famer, as above, but he wasn’t even elected on the first ballot.

    And here’s why I think the idea would fail: we don’t agree on what a Hall of Famer is. In Page’s case, I don’t think it matters at all that he had a successful career as a judge or that he won the Presidential Medal of Freedom. What kind of person someone is–for good or for bad–doesn’t make an difference to me in Hall of Fame selection, unless you’re the type who likes baseball’s morality clause.

    So forget the idea of an inner ring of the Hall of Fame. I want the Hall of Fame to make the best selection it can as decided by its experts, not because of business considerations.

  40. I drive by the HOF quite frequently and there are always people visiting what is essentially a museum. More than quite a few museums I would guess. The idea that hotels are more full because they are inducting more players is ludicrous. People that love football will make that pilgrimage regardless of how many men are being inducted that weekend. They want to see the new members and possibly get a glimpse of a few of the people that have been a part of the hall for years.

    Don’t overthink this. It’s the kind of thought exercise that leads to arguments like “was that a catch?”

  41. I like it but I wouldn’t call it the Hall of Fame within the Hall of Fame. That seems silly. But just like they have an all decade team you could do an all time team. 25 people, 11 on each side, 2 special teamers (presumably a kicker and punter) and one head coach. You could vote on it once every ten years to keep it updated.

  42. Good idea but you’re too late. The Hall is already filled with fringe players.

    I take it the Elite HOF would be located in another town to generate more revenues?

  43. You’re thinking about this all wrong. What we should really do is start voting one person OUT per year, and make the finalists for that dishonor defend themselves.

  44. Must people know who are the true goats are – brady, LT, white, Munoz, brown, rice, Lott etc. if there was another hall it would just have the same disputes as the present one. Always borderline cases…

  45. We already have the NFL 100 All-Time team, and that’s enough. If there’s not already a list of those players somewhere in the Hall, then add it and we’re done.

  46. What is needed is competence among the people who get to vote for enshrinement in the HOF. In recent years that competence has been abundantly lacking. There have clearly been years when there have not been as many as five players and Coaches worthy of HOF votes, yet eight have been enshrined. Ridiculous.

  47. The Hall of Fame needs to become the Hall of Fame again. There is nothing wrong with people not getting in on the first ballot and players waiting several years. It’s essentially becoming a participation trophy.

  48. Halls of Fame in all areas are watered down to a point where they’re nearly meaningless. Still, not sure if this is a good idea or not.

  49. It’s not a bad idea to maybe have an “elites wing” of the Hall, or something like that.

    But let’s not link this to Deion, okay? He wouldn’t be in the Elite Wing. And were it not for the floodgates being opened, he might not’ve gotten in so fast, either.

  50. Sorry but IMHO the significance and importance of players or coaches that make the game based on skill, ability, and tactical decision making that wins games above all others seems diluted by including the executives that made it by sitting behind a desk. I don’t want to go to the Hall to see them. I want to see and honor the ones that were in the battle. Imagine ten years from now seeing Irsay or Jerruh in the HOF. And they will make as “significant contributors”, past transgressions not counting. After all, they are NFL front office dogs, it is a business, and they run it.

  51. Belichick?? Lol. I know he’ll get in but his bust should be next to Brady’s and slightly below.

  52. Every Hall of Fame has gotten “watered down”, especially Canton and Cooperstown.

    The old adage “if you have to ask, he’s not in” holds true. When you start spouting statistics, or comparing Player A’s career to Player B who is already in, then the answer is that Player A should not get in.

    Longevity should not be a qualifier, statistics based on longevity should not be a qualifier.

    Lawrence Taylor was a no-brainer. As much of a Patriots fan as I am, Tedy Bruschi is not.

    Tom Brady is a no-brainer, Eli Manning is not.

    The economics of the “business interests” of the Hall of Fame itself should have no bearing on how many, or who, get in any given year

    Again, if you have to ask, they don’t get in

  53. You list the “greats” and yet no mention of Landry, or Shula, or Lombardi? Come on. Do better. BTW, what a SILLY suggestion.

  54. I like it. Also, get rid of the selection dinner where someone speaks on the players behalf. None of the voters should have to be convinced someone is H of F worthy. Furthermore, I don’t think R. Wilson is hall worthy. Belicheck coached the greatest player and QB in LT and Brady

  55. The solution is easy. 5 years from now, there should only be 1 entry. He gets a class of his own. Everyone else waits. That will honor him the best way and the hotels will still be full.

  56. Another terrible idea. And everyone who knows anything about football knew that belichick is just a discount Jeff Fisher without Brady’s back to ride like I said long ago, and was immediately proven right over and over and over again.

  57. Deion “They Don’t Pay Us To Tackle” Sanders makes your example list of 10-best?

    Ugh. Yeah, as one poster stated, Rod Woodson was a better contemporary player. And of course Mel Blount was the greatest CB of all-time.

    So your example alone proves what a dumb idea this is.

  58. First Ballot HOF is a big deal. If you look close, those who actually care enough to differentiate will use First Ballot. Like Greg Maddux vs. Mike Mussina.
    If you interviewed 100 Americans how many can name 10 in any sport? Same with Academy Awards. Most don’t know and most that do know don’t really care that much.
    First Ballot takes care of that and we hear people being announced as a ‘First Ballot HOF’r, all the time. Those who watch or care know who the best of the best are or were. Leave it at that.

  59. Brady will get in but he shouldn’t. He was suspended for cheating and that should disqualify him immediately. Also retired with ZERO winning seasons without elite coaching. Alex Smith is the same QB and he isn’t getting in so why should Brady?

  60. After making money, the purpose of the Hall of Fame is to honor players and to educate football fans about the history of the game and its notable players. Why do we have this compulsion to rank players or try to draw a line saying this guy yes, this guy no, the way there are the never-ending arguments about who is an “elite” QB? It’s a weird compulsion and a complete waste of time.

  61. If there is, membership needs to be solely determined by their on-field performance. Personal politics or petty jealousy or grudges should have no place in the decision-making process.

  62. Not needed and even if there were one, Dion wouldn’t be in it. Being able & willing to tackle should be a prerequisite for defensive players.

  63. I’m definitely not a 49ers fan but I’d take Montana over Peyton in your starting lineup.

  64. …true greatness transcends position.”

    Tom Brady has more Super Howl wins than any NFL player, present or past, AND EVERY NFL franchise.

  65. If a primary motive for the process today is to make money for Canton, Canton creating an Inner Circle creates a new marketing event to bring in more money.

  66. No, just stop putting mediocre players in. No more good boys club with all friends of friends and actually put in those who deserve to be in there. And start with JIM MARSHALL ALREADY!

  67. The HOF was always meant to be an inner circle, but society has moved to participation trophies the hall is no exception.

  68. What would it say to those already enshrined if they don’t make the hall within the hall? “Yeah, we know we said you were a hall of famer, but now you’re second string?” Just an absolutely terrible idea.

    What needs to happen is that the selection process needs to be revised so that the bar for entry is raised to where it should be going forward. It has become the hall of very good because the selection process has allowed it to.

    Fix that.

  69. Peyton shouldn’t be in it. All he did was choke in the playoffs his entire career.

  70. That hall of fame within the hall of fame already exists. They’re called 1st ballot hall of famers. Glad to know Deion’s ego is still absolutely massive though.

  71. The HOF guys are the best of the best. They’re letting in players who deserve it. Having played with/against a lot of the younger recent hall of famers and nominees, they were head and shoulders above the other players.

    Just like you can only play who’s on your schedule…As a player you can only play against the guys in your era.

    Maybe they need to do a better job of focusing on the eras of the HOFers and how they impacted the game they played in that era.

    Just imagine someone saying Revis shouldn’t get in because he’s not Deion. He’s not. He’s Revis Island.

    And Devin Hester needs to be in. Period!

  72. This isn’t just an NFL Hall of Fame issue. Have you seen the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year? Kate Bush (one-hit wonder and it wasn’t even that big of a hit until Stranger Things), The White Stripes (again, one sort of big hit), Joy Division/New Order, etc. This is the equivalent of putting Jeff Hostettler, Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien in the Hall of Fame because they happen to be on a Super Bowl winning team.

  73. Do we need to rank em within greatness like that? What’s next, having a power ranking in the HoF?

    Also, then T he convo becomes about whether a great player deserves to be in the inner circle, and the regular hall of fame is reduced to a consolation prize that doesn’t feel special.

  74. One of the few times I would actually agree with you. I would also vote for cutting the bottom of the barrel members each year, like a true roster.

    Nominees for HOF cuts in 2023 should start with:
    Fred Dean
    Jan Stenerud
    Dan Dierdorf
    Joe Namath
    Lynn Swann
    Bob Griese

  75. To have an upper echelon would devalue the accomplishment of all the others. What are they? The practice squad!

  76. Regardless of whether you like Deion Sanders or not, he’s perhaps the best player of all time. There’s never been a DB anywhere close to Deion, and he was perhaps the best return guy ever, and when they put him in as a WR nobody could stop him. In his spare time, he was a MLB all-star. Probably the greatest overall athlete to ever walk the earth. I would probably have Joe Montana as the best overall football player, but absolutely the best offensive player. The best defensive player is debatable, with Deion getting serious consideration. It’s when you combine all of Deion’s football talent, he’s arguably the greatest ever. Some people might not like him personally, but the tape doesn’t lie.

  77. Wouldn’t it make more sense just to lower the number of eligible HOFers each year? There’s enough lowering of expectations & standards going on in this country, let’s not do it for the NFL Hall of Fame. Only enshrine the best of the best. Just because all the QBs throw for 4000 yards these days does not mean they all belong in the Hall of Fame.

  78. They already kinda have what you’re talking about. It’s called being a “first ballot HOFer” kinda already separates the greats from the greatest.

  79. Brady will get in but he shouldn’t. He was suspended for cheating and that should disqualify him immediately. Also retired with ZERO winning seasons without elite coaching. Alex Smith is the same QB and he isn’t getting in so why should Brady?
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    Looking for attention yet again. BB should be disqualified too considering he was actually caught cheating and has a losing record without a QB of Brady’s talent. Your Alex Smith comparison is 2nd grade level cute.

  80. QB’s in from the 60’s to the 90’s should deserve more credit as they were allowed to be crushed by the defense. QB’s in the last 20 years should be made to wear dresses that go into the HOF.

  81. Dumb idea, what do you do in 20 more years? Just lower the inductee number to 4. But, it is sports entertainment afterall so who cares? Its all about $$$$$ anyway.

  82. it is sports entertainment afterall so who cares? Its all about $$$$$ anyway.
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    Yep. And controversy too is entertainment, and makes money, so why not. Why, I bet the sports books would give odds. If it makes money, it must be good?

  83. Maybe it’s just me but as a fan of the game and teams I care very little about the HOF and who does it doesn’t get in. It’s nice for the individual players but I really don’t care. Football is a team game and the only thing that matters is championships.

  84. Convicted cheaters like Brady and Belichek should be banned from any HOF consideration. Also, if you’re going to oist names and put them on there the first name on that list should be Otto Graham.

  85. One big problem is also the focus on large TV market teams and those which win Super Bowls. A player in a small market on an average to below average team is subject to media bias. Many an average plus player who played on great winning teams have been elevated to the HOF when there were better players at the same time not in the HOF. The medias memory is short and the teams media “experts” are not. The Rams and Chargers are not represented by local media, but by SI. The 49 member committee at large group of 16 is better suited to review. What’s the average age of the 49? How long have each closely watched the NFL? How many are in their 80’s, 70’s, 60’s, 50’s, etc?

  86. I find it pretty alarming you chose Reggie White over Bruce Smith.. wouldn’t be as easy as you say.

  87. Walter camp’s is the hall of Fame within the hall of fame without him you don’t have any of this.

  88. winninaintsinnin says:
    February 4, 2023 at 8:10 pm
    How many QBs got suspended for cheating?

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  89. winninaintsinnin says:
    February 4, 2023 at 8:10 pm
    How many QBs got suspended for cheating?

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    I don’t believe any have. One was suspended because Goodell and his cronies don’t understand basic science and the fact that air temperature has a relationship to air pressure.

  90. I disagree says:
    February 4, 2023 at 3:41 pm
    One of the few times I would actually agree with you. I would also vote for cutting the bottom of the barrel members each year, like a true roster.

    Nominees for HOF cuts in 2023 should start with:
    Fred Dean
    Jan Stenerud
    Dan Dierdorf
    Joe Namath
    Lynn Swann
    Bob Griese

    Jerome Bettis
    Terrel Davis
    Tony Dungy

  91. dwqb11 says:
    February 4, 2023 at 5:00 pm
    Brady will get in but he shouldn’t. He was suspended for cheating and that should disqualify him immediately. Also retired with ZERO winning seasons without elite coaching. Alex Smith is the same QB and he isn’t getting in so why should Brady?
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    Looking for attention yet again. BB should be disqualified too considering he was actually caught cheating and has a losing record without a QB of Brady’s talent. Your Alex Smith comparison is 2nd grade level cute.

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    2010:
    Bill Cowher: “You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I don’t think so (it’s not an advantage for one team over another).
    I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
    These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and here’s the signal. You do that for a whole game.
    You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
    So, you don;’t need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. You’re TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
    That’s why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. They’ve got all these different codes. That’s part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think it’s totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think it’s flattering.”

  92. Hall of Fame is a joke. There are a lot of guys who put up numbers but hey, this era is a 16 and now 17 game era not a 12 game era or 14 game era. Throw in the rules for interference that allowed a lot of passes being completed, no tackling below the knee, roughing the passer and this game is designed for points and stats being elevated. Avg Qb’s are throwing for 3500 yards a season.
    But like the said, no one is showing up to see one guy, a great guy get in. Its a money making event.

  93. No, it isnt the HOF needs to stop putting terrible players in. Still holding a grudge against any Raiders too.

  94. Including Sanders in that list absolutely destroys any credibility the idea has in the first place. And is an insult to the others.

  95. Personally, I believe that all HoFers are equal. They excelled at their profession and were vetted by a committee and are recognized in Canton.

    However, if we need to create a “higher hall’ then to me the solution is simple. If you are a first-ballot HofFer have that patch added to the gold jacket. That way the “slam dunks” stand out. Don Shula, Deion, Ray Lewis, LT, Jerry Rice, etc. would have their distinction as being the best of the best.

  96. To the people complaining about what the HOF is;

    Are you ever going to visit Canton?

  97. stoner20 says:
    February 5, 2023 at 10:38 am
    Personally, I believe that all HoFers are equal. They excelled at their profession and were vetted by a committee and are recognized in Canton.

    However, if we need to create a “higher hall’ then to me the solution is simple. If you are a first-ballot HofFer have that patch added to the gold jacket. That way the “slam dunks” stand out. Don Shula, Deion, Ray Lewis, LT, Jerry Rice, etc. would have their distinction as being the best of the best.
    ——————————–
    This.

    We already have “tiers” in the eyes of fans and the public… those that are in on the first ballot and those who aren’t. Why make it more complicated than that?

  98. I could spend all day thinking of corners I would select before Sanders. Off the top of my head I’ll start with not one but two Woodsons who were both contemporaries of his. I would take Rod or Charles in a heartbeat over that showboating softie.

  99. 300 pleaple inducted out of 25,000 players since inception. That’s one in 83, or 1.2%.
    But are there really 1 Hall of Famer forevery 2 current teams, every year. Yeah, rethink this …

  100. Below are the career stats of a QB who is currently in the HOF

    Games 140
    Record games started W-62 L-63 T-4
    Compl % 50.1%
    Yards 27,663
    Yards/Attempt 7.4
    TDs 173
    Int 220

    Now I ask you. Does this guy really deserve to be in the HOF?

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