Competition Committee begins to explore the quarterback push play

Kansas City Chiefs vs. Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl LVII
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Sixteen years after the NFL removed the rule against pushing a runner, some teams finally realized that it could become a strategic aspect of the offense.

Now, as the Competition Committee begins to ponder potential rule changes for 2023, the push play is on the docket.

Per multiple reports, NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent said that the Competition Committee already has discussed the play at length, and that the topic will be revisited in March.

The Eagles used it on multiple occasions during Super Bowl LVII. If executed properly, it’s unstoppable.

Before 2006, the rules prohibited pushing and pulling of the runner. Pushing, which happened spontaneously in the open field, was never called.

Now, it’s part of the play design. The NFL has to decide whether it wants to embrace a play that basically amounts to an inverted tug of war.

Broncos coach Sean Payton has said that, if the rule isn’t changed, he’ll embrace it on a regular basis. Other coaches likely will do the same.

Our suggestion? Make it a violation within the tackle box. If someone wants to push the runner from behind in the open field, so be it. They did it for years without a flag being thrown, even when the rules prohibited it.

81 responses to “Competition Committee begins to explore the quarterback push play

  1. I’m still not sure why anyone is upset about it. It’s within the rules. Anyone can do it, they just chose not to. It’s not even against the ‘spirit’ of the rules, or some weird Belichickian loophole. It’s flat out allowed.

  2. If it’s not the man pushing himself, then it’s different from all other plays in the game. You don’t pick up the ball carrier and carry HIM over the goal line.

  3. Outlaw it altogether. It’s beyond dangerous. The runner has no control over their body. They could get concussed during the play, and can’t fall to ground because teammates are holding them up from behind and there’s nowhere to fall forward… meaning the concussed runner can be taken for a ride from behind, used like a shield to absorb all impact. That whole concussion hypothetical is very likely, because the head is usually the only exposed part of the body to hit. Just crazy.

  4. Fun to watch or not, it needs to be disallowed. Forward progress can only go so far before players get hurt because their teammates are keeping them upright and defenders will grab ankles and legs to hold like a wishbone.

  5. Outlaw it altogether. It’s beyond dangerous. The runner has no control over their body. They could get concussed during the play, and can’t fall to ground because teammates are holding them up from behind and there’s nowhere to fall forward… meaning the concussed runner can be taken for a ride from behind, used like a shield to absorb all impact. That whole concussion hypothetical is very likely, because the head is usually the only exposed part of the body to hit. Just crazy.

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    What’s crazy to me is making/changing rules based on mere hypotheticals.

  6. Forget this type of play, I want to know why it is ok to horse collar a player inside the tackle box but not ok outside of it?

  7. Need to make it illegal….Precarious enough for QB’s , that a large strong, lineman/ tight end will be coached up to take the snap and be shoved the necessary yard or yard and a half..
    Not football… resembles a rugby scrum.
    Defenses will react soon enough , and injuries are the result.
    Run the sneak. No pushing

  8. The Eagles got everything out of that play they could and it was awesome to watch, until I had to watch them do it to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. It really is an unstoppable play. Kudos to Siriani and that o-line for perfecting it to the point where everyone is tapping out.

    I can’t help but wonder how this will affect their play calling next year.

  9. This isn’t hypothetical, this is a dangerous play. Seeing as using a helmet as as a weapon such as spearing is obviously against the rules, why would it be OK for the offense line to get as low as possible and drive straight in to the defensive lines knees helmet first? If the defense got as low as the offense, the offensive line would be going helmet to helmet with the defensive line in a more dangerous version of a rugby scrum. In rugby they don’t wear helmets or pads and common sense says going skull to skull isn’t a smart thing to do, pain is a very good deterrent if you choose to. Also, why would anyone think it would be a good idea to exert more force on a players body than the amount of force a player can exert on their own? As in, let’s get 2 or 3 players to push a single player in to a group of people and create a more dangerous situation than it needs to be for a yard or two. This is a dumb dangerous play for what little good you would get from it and it will get banned with a rule change if the NFL really does care about a players safety.

  10. this happens on practically every RB play up the middle, you can’t just pick and choose when you want to call it, so if any offensive player touches a player with the ball then thats a penalty. Is this really the direction you want to go, more flags??? think about it!

  11. I like the rugby play. A coach will design a play where the QB runs into the scrum, everybody starts pushing, he drops the ball, everybody rolls it backwards with their feet, when it pops out the back, a RB picks it up and flings it to a WR on the outside who runs free down the sideline , that would be awesome !

  12. So if it’s 3rd and three you can run the “push play”. If you only gain 2 yards and it’s 4th and one, you can run the “push play” again. Gee, that sounds like lots of fun. Ban this stupid play. It’s a no brainer.

  13. If they keep it in, I would have all defensive players try to punch the ball loose.

    And if during that play, the star QB breaks a bone in his throwing hand because the defense is trying to cause a fumble, oh well…

  14. Football is becoming less about the integrity of the game and more defined by “safety” and “fun to watch.” Each year, it looks more and more like flag football.

  15. cobrala2 says:
    February 26, 2023 at 8:59 pm
    Outlaw it altogether. It’s beyond dangerous. The runner has no control over their body. They could get concussed during the play, and can’t fall to ground because teammates are holding them up from behind and there’s nowhere to fall forward… meaning the concussed runner can be taken for a ride from behind, used like a shield to absorb all impact. That whole concussion hypothetical is very likely, because the head is usually the only exposed part of the body to hit. Just crazy.
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    this is completely absurd. they’ve been doing this in rugby for over a hundred years. how would the player with the ball get “confused”?

    As a 25 year rugby player, I love to see this. and in a season or so, defenses will figure out how to defend it better, just like they always do. it’s much ado about nothing.

    frankly, there are lots of things football could take from rugby that would make the game better, but that’s a conversation for another day.

  16. I think ban if from behind the LOS but I love when a lineman runs down the field and blows up a scrum of 2-3 defenders tryin to tackle a WR or RB then they create another 4-5 yards.

  17. If they change the rule, then that’s proof that the NFL doesn’t have a clue what to do about the game on the field.
    They’re raking in the money off the field but on it they have so many convoluted & nonsensical rules that every time a penalty flag is thrown, they need to have a committee meeting to decipher the call,
    I say leave it alone. It’s actually the only part of football that’s true to the way the game was originally played.

  18. Why are we making this an issue? You don’t want football players to push each other? C’mon.

  19. Allowing the QB Push (QBP) means a team needs only 7 yards on the first 3 downs to lock in a near certain new set of downs, and all teams would use it. That, and risk-free 4th downs totally change the game—NOT FOR THE BETTER. More QBP would choke out exciting plays and the chance for great defensive plays to stop a drive, degrading the game and fan experience. I’d outlaw the QBP. It’s not exciting football, and having that sort of rugby play gaining 2.5+ yards 99% of the time is no good. Imagine how dull if teams used QBP on 1st down.

  20. It’s gotten way out of hand. The game was doing just fine without it. It’s not football. The runner has to get the yards on his own. It changes the game. It’s like allowing corked bats in baseball.

  21. What’s crazy to me is making/changing rules based on mere hypotheticals.
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    A) There already was a rule to outlaw this, they repealed.
    B) You want to wait before somebody gets severely injured on the play before outlawing (again)?
    C) Hypotheticals must be planned for. Take the cancelled game last season, they had plans in place for that hypothetical (a plan they deviated from, oddly). Things happen, hypotheticals must be considered.
    D) Are the Dolphins allowed to run this play?

  22. The history of the NFL is full of “unstoppable” offenses and plays. When’s the last time you saw the “run and shoot” offense?. The Wildcat was unstoppable alright, for a short period of time. Let things naturally play out.

  23. AS a fan for six decades now the what is a catch and this ridiculous allowing of players being pushed while the clueless booth guys are sating look at how strong he is while three 300 lb plus guys are pushing him like a rag doll and yes it’s dangerous. The competition committee starting with Jeff Fisher have done more to hurt the NFL then anyone other group in sometime . Go back not long ago a WR caught the ball held it two feet down it’s a TD not any of this he has to make a football move junk.
    Why does a RB get the ball over the line for a fraction of a second it’s a TD who’s ideas were they ?
    i guarantee they do not love football scrap these two loser rules asap.

  24. This talk of enhanced injury risk is nonsense. I haven’t seen any injuries at all while this play’s been implemented. Outlawing it is simply penalizing a team for using the rule to its advantage.

  25. When 3 guys are pushing i have to look away this is not NFL football ! this is cheap gimmick worthy of the wwe.

  26. Everyone complaining about it every time the eagles did it is rediculous. The eagles were not 100% on it which means YEA it’s stoppable. The Eagles were just so incredible at it.

    You want to stop this rule but you don’t want to address how OT is all about the cointoss or how if the offense fumbles into the end zone it becomes the defenses ball at the 20? Or how offensive holding is a 10 yard flag when in reality it should be 5 yards.

    God I hate the NFL and the stupidness of how it’s run

  27. Then Don’t allow any pushing of any player, including RBs at the goal line.

    I’d OK getting rid of it – but if it was so easy how come everyone isnt doing it? Maybe they don’t have good Olines, or physically strong QBs

  28. Isn’t ANY play that is executed perfectly unstoppable?? This particular play was stopped a few times this year. Not a lot of teams did it because not a lot of teams had the best o line in football to make it look east or a QB who can squat 600lbs. But I would love to Russell Wilson and the broncos O line give it a shot. Sure the results will be exactly the same as the 2022 eagles.

  29. Keep digging. How many times did Jalen Hurts run this play? Multiple times every game!

    How many times was he hurt? 0 times

    Have others tried to replicate this play? Yes

    What what the result of other teams trying to replicate this play? Their QB wasn’t Jalen Hurts and their line was too weak to make it effective.

    If you bann this you might as well bann all QB’s from running and scrambling too, i mean its not fair that some QB can extend a play with their feet and some cannot. And there should be height restrictions imposed on defense because the shorter players are at a disadvantage! This isn’t Basketball! Right? right?! smh

  30. Thats the problem with the NFL …
    Too many rule changes, interpretations and new things to enforce. The defenses already have enough things to worry about since they cant be as aggressive anymore.

  31. Not a fan of it, but if it’s allowed my favorite team should be using it. I’m not a fan either of the O line catching up with an RB and being allowed to shove them forward…I’ve seen RBs with their feet off the ground in the scrum moving forward. If the ball carrier is stopped they’re stopped. No one can push pull tug or tow them. It’s the nature of football that the carrier needs to move the ball. The play is legal and Philly used it to perfection…but it’s time to ban it.

  32. As it becomes more prevelant (and it will) the defenses will come up with spearing to counter act it and then it really will be injury prone then. Picture both sides throwing guys into the line of scrimmage.

  33. Mr. Florio, I love PFT and am a huge fan of your work. I generally think you are spot on, but, as 50DrunksInABar said, all teams were allowed to embrace the rule. Everyone was aware of what Philadelphia was doing. Given that the NFL is a copycat league, of course other teams tried to embrace the rule like Philadelphia did, but none were able to achieve that same level of success. If this rule provides such an advantage to teams, I would assume that you would have seen at least one other team in the league have a similar level of success using the rule to their advantage, but that didn’t happen. My guess is that the reason behind Philadelphia’s success using this rule and the lack of success for every other team in the league comes down to Philadelphia’s unique set of players (i.e. elite offensive line including a former rugby player, strong quarterback, etc.) and good execution.

    Using the same logic, one could argue that because Patrick Mahomes has been so successful (and almost unstoppable) throwing the ball, the league should outlaw passing the football. That would be silly just like I think it would be silly to change this rule.

    Regardless of whether this rule is changed or not, all short yardage situations have the potential to become an inverted tug of war.

    I think this rule should stand unless you start to see most teams have a similar level of success as Philadelphia. At the least, the league should wait to change the rule until after Sean Payton embraces the rule on a regular basis as he suggested. It would be interesting to see how much success he and the Broncos have with an average offensive line (based on last year’s PFF rankings) and minuscule quarterback. My assumption is that the results won’t be similarly as good as Philadelphia’s, Payton knows that, and he wants to change the rule because it would be an advantage for his team.

  34. This is hard to say but….I agree with Florio! 🙂 Ban it within the box or within 2 yards of the LOS…either will have the desired outcome. But in the meantime we all have to salute Philly for taking advantage of what the rules allow in a new and unique way. I don’t like it, but if I were them I’d do it too.

  35. Remember these comments next year when a running back from your team gets pushed 3 extra yards on a 4th and 2 in the 4th quarter and gets flagged costing you the game. If the competition committee disallows that play, it will be across the board.

    I say let men decide a man’s game and leave crybabies crying.

  36. I’ve seen several people comment that the QB is held up by the pushers behind him. This couldn’t be more wrong. I am an Eagles fan and probably have seen this play run close to 100 times this year and the pushers behind the QB do not hold the QB up. It’s almost impossible for them to do so. Just as there name says they are pushers. Each guy grabs a butt cheek and pushes the QB forward. Sounds to me that the coaches who didn’t utilize it are butt hurt because someone else thought of it before them. Coaches like Payton plan to embrace it. It would be a real shame to not allow it because as the season progressed the Eagles were starting to run variations of the play. For example one variation calls for the QB to hesitate and rather than get pushed from behind the QB would run an off tackle slant which on one occasion Hurts almost had an untouched long TD because the defense wasn’t expecting it. Another variation called for the QB to hesitate behind the line and quick pitch the ball to one of the blockers behind him. Similar to the old wishbone option from years gone by. It would be interesting to see if they developed any passing plays from that formation going forward. Again the plays been legal for over a decade and now teams instead of embracing it are crying it’s not fair and the rule needs to be changed. The rule is fair. All teams have the opportunity to run it. Instead of running it they are crying to the league. Smfh….what will they cry about next?

  37. If more than one person is aiding the ball carrier from behind by directly pushing on him, then I think it should be illegal. I don’t think it should be illegal for some-“one” to push from behind, normally. I can’t remember any QBs getting concussed or injured with the recent use of assisted sneaks.

  38. I’m tired of seeing nothing but pass plays. Leave it in. If it was unstoppable teams would run it every down. It is not that effective. If you are going to disallow it that should happen everywhere on the field.

  39. It was successful for the Eagles because they have a quarterback who can squat 600 lbs.! They tried the same play with Garner Minshew against the Cowboys and it failed miserably. Sure the pushing helps, but if it was only that, why didn’t every team do it?
    It’s not the “play” that’s unstoppable. It’s then combination of the “play” and the “player”.

  40. More cons thanks pros for me…..kind of a boring play……someone is going to get injured……but it’s also not the end of the world. Pro….I like the idea when my team has 4th and 1……at least I’m honest…..haha.

  41. It’s an incredibly boring play. My mother-in-law was watching a game with us and she says “what are they doing? That’s stupid, you can’t see the ball”.
    I agree…

  42. Its bad for the game in many ways
    – Potential for injuries, as noted by many
    – Overpowered, basically impossible to stop
    – Boring, everyone would rather see a standard play call than this

    It has to be at least eliminated within the tackle box, I’d prefer for it to be eliminated everywhere and give the D a chance.

  43. Its a safety issue,why wait until a quarterback get a serious knee or other injury from being in the middle of a herd of 300 pound super strong men twisting you like a pretzle,its like a lion getting mugged by a herd of buffalo.once a quarterback is put on IR for the season it will be too late,change the rule now.

  44. Nope if a defense gets flags for glancing a qbs helmet an offense should not be allowed to push a qb.

    It is about time the defense gets a rule to help them.

  45. Stop Electric football in the NFL for 2023. First ban the QB push play. Next Refs have to be instructed to blow the whistle sooner. These moving piles aren’t entertaining and goes against the NFL player’s safety stance. Also instruct Refs to throw flags on linemen pulling the ball carrier forward.

  46. wickedawesome says:
    February 26, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    If it’s not the man pushing himself, then it’s different from all other plays in the game. You don’t pick up the ball carrier and carry HIM over the goal line./////////////////////////

    I agree but I have seen O Linemen picking up or pulling RB’s into the end zone many times too. It is a penalty they stopped calling for the sake of scoring points. It should be called a penalty. That isn’t entertaining it is against the rules of the game.

  47. I am tired of watching teammates doing a goal line stand. They stop the opposing player short of the line but no whistle. Wait for it……….Wait for it………..finally enough players push the back over the goal line. Touchdown! When forward progress was stopped quite a while earlier. I am not sure you need a new rule. Just have the refs whistle the play dead at the right moment. You won’t get any pushing if the whistle blows. I don’t think any penalties etc are needed. I think the refs need to understand when the player has stopped moving forward on his own.

  48. “If someone wants to push the runner from behind in the open field, so be it. They did it for years without a flag being thrown, even when the rules prohibited it.”

    This has to stopped too. CB’s stands up a RB and then O Linemen with a head start running push the RB forward in a pile. That is Electric football a moving pile with no regard for player safety.

  49. I would rather see a team get short yardage the old fashioned way than see a gang push a guy to the 1st down or a score.

  50. I’ve never understood how that is allowed yet on regular running plays they blow the whistle quickly and declare forward progress to have been stopped when the runner isn’t anywhere close to being down.

  51. As a fan for 6 decades this is not football this is some kind of wwe gimmick junk get ride of it
    this has no place in the NFL .

  52. For everybody crying how dangerous this play is, name a single instance where somebody was hurt. Just one. That’s it. You can’t.

  53. The original rule was in place because back in the 1910s-30s (due to footballs rugby like origins) teams would essentially create a “maul” around the runner preventing the defense from getting near him (this is also how the concept of “X” of men on the line of scrimmage came about, to prevent a “maul”). This also created a mass of humanity which is very difficult to stop (just watch a rugby maul when it gets going).

    The rule needs to be changed because there is no way a defensive line is going to be able to stop with one or two tacklers 5-6 guys all pushing in the same spot. Particularly when you can’t take the back 2-3 out of the play.

    It was a dumb idea to begin with what surprises me is it took so long for teams to realize how powerful a short yardage weapon it can be………that probably says something about the intelligence of your average football coach.

  54. Limit QB rushes for positive yards to six carries per game; if the QB gets a 7th carry, he is banned for the next game, the team is assessed a 15 yard penalty and loss of downs. Save those QB rushes for something meaningful and start making QB’s learn how to read defenses and to pass the ball. They aren’t running backs.

  55. Get rid of it. It’s the NFL not rugby. It will only get worse with two 300 lb OL coming in as FB and RB to push the QB or another RB further.

  56. nnagi says:
    February 27, 2023 at 8:01 am
    The runner should have to advance himself without the aid of other players

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    Total nonsense. it is a team sport. The runner has the help of ten other people on the field for every play. What makes this so different? I think in general what most people don’t like is the fact that the Eagles are the ones that run it and have perfected it. If it was their team they wouldn’t be screaming to do away with it. And the B.S. about injury is crap. You can get just as easily injured on a QB sneak play whether somebody is pushing your butt, or not. In fact running for a score instead of trying a QB sneak is how we got our last “franchise” QB a torn up knee and he was never the same. We did however win it all that year with a backup, which really had to hurt the haters. I say let it live, it actually might mean less of an injury, not more.

  57. Can they address the fact that nearly every player on both sides is lined up in the neutral zone and it’s never called on these short yardage plays!

  58. Two defenders can’t push one another on a field goal attempt: it’s supposedly too dangerous for the blocker. (see NE v Jets, missed FG rekicked due to penalty). So why isn’t is “UNSAFE” to push a player over a defender? It is. Start calling it.

  59. 50DrunksInABar says:
    February 26, 2023 at 8:38 pm
    I’m still not sure why anyone is upset about it. It’s within the rules. Anyone can do it, they just chose not to. It’s not even against the ‘spirit’ of the rules, or some weird Belichickian loophole. It’s flat out allowed.

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    Do people even bother to read the story these days? We know its allowed in the rules today. The article is about revisiting the rule and possibly changing it. Understanding the physics of leverage, a collective push is unstoppable thus creating a competitive advantage for the offensive. Imagine the defense being allowed to grab and pull WRs out of bounds. That’s unstoppable defense and that’s why it’s not permitted.

  60. Let the LBs and the CBs line up as the defensive line and put the DL behind them to push them. Let’s turn American football into a Rugby scrum. Never going to happen.

  61. For everybody crying how dangerous this play is, name a single instance where somebody was hurt. Just one. That’s it. You can’t.
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    The Eagles fans are strong in this thread. For 12 years, nobody attempted the play. One team did it last year. So did Hurts or Minshew get injured on it? Not that I know of.

    I apologize for this hypothetical scenario, but it might open some eyes outside of Philly. What if they have Tua run this play? I’m not going to go further out of respect for Tua’s situation, but you should be able to see the issue there. You’re turning ball carriers into sled dummies for defenders to hammer away at. Those hits are different too, when you’re supported from behind and your body has to absorb all impact.

    Weekend at Bernie’s needs to outlawed AGAIN, because it is as dangerous as it gets. Even if we are just talking about the open field.

  62. Philly fans whining because that is the only way they can score or get a first down. Everyone else will start doing it and then it will not matter to anymore an Philly will not really have the advantage. It needs to be banned. If they care about safety then this needs stopped more than half of the rules they used for safety. Can’t hit a QB at all but his own team can push him through 1000 pound of D line. That is brilliant.

  63. Philly Fan here. This is a stupid argument folks. More people got hurt on pass plays this year, than all the 4th and one, 4th and goal or 4th and 2 plays. look it up.
    Are we to outlaw passing? right, ok, enough said.
    BTW, only 2 teams get to the final game. both Philly and KC had incredible seasons, but the Birds came up a little short, with their “huge (unfair) advantage over the league” . All the teams had the opportunity to win as much as KC and Philly. Yet, somehow, since the final game was legitimately in question until the end/final drive, people want to whine about how one team did it versus the other. Should we take away the “huge advantage” KC has over most of the league (i.e the passing game, the sidearm pass, the shuffle pass?), or their QB is just too good?
    To quote about a hundred movies “Stupid, Stupid. Stupid”. careful what you ask for. Philly will just run Jordan Maelata for 1 or 2 yards on 4th and x, and someone will get hurt them.

  64. Philly Fan here. This is a stupid argument folks. More people got hurt on pass plays this year, than all the 4th and one, 4th and goal or 4th and 2 plays. look it up. Are we to outlaw passing? right, ok, enough said. BTW, only 2 teams get to the final game. both Philly and KC had incredible seasons, but the Birds came up a little short, with their “huge (unfair) advantage over the league” . All the teams had the opportunity to win as much as KC and Philly. Yet, somehow, since the final game was legitimately in question until the end/final drive, people want to whine about how one team did it versus the other. Should we take away the “huge advantage” KC has over most of the league (i.e the passing game, the sidearm pass, the shuffle pass?), or their QB is just too good? To quote about a hundred movies “Stupid, Stupid. Stupid”. careful what you ask for. Philly will just run Jordan Maelata for 1 or 2 yards on 4th and x, and someone will get hurt then

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