ESPN reiterates report that Lamar Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed deal

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Last September, ESPN.com reported that Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed contract. Last Friday, ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith — citing a Thursday conversation with a member of Jackson’s camp — claimed on First Take that Jackson never demanded a fully-guaranteed deal.

Today, ESPN.com reiterated that Jackson does indeed want a fully-guaranteed contract.

“According to sources,” writes Jamison Hensley of ESPN.com, “Jackson wants a fully guaranteed deal like the one given to Deshaun Watson last year, and the Ravens have been reluctant to offer that because they believe Watson’s deal is more of an outlier than a precedent.”

The latest report makes the information given to Smith even more confusing. Perhaps the most plausible explanation is that, by telling Smith that Jackson never wanted a fully-guaranteed deal, Jackson’s camp may be hinting at a willingness to take something less than a fully-guaranteed deal, either in ongoing negotiations with the Ravens or in the form of an offer sheet, if the Ravens apply the non-exclusive franchise tag before next Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET.

However it plays out, the Ravens have fewer than six days to work out a deal with Jackson before the time comes to apply one of the two levels of the franchise tag. And the time also is coming for Jackson to negotiate a deal, with someone.

Already, he has lost at least one and perhaps two years of earnings under his second contract. If he’d had one of the top quarterback agents, he’d quite possibly have signed a second contract in 2022 or 2021.

Saving a fee or one or two percentage points means nothing if the pie is never baked. For Jackson, the pie has been delayed for two years — and the money he could have made about the final two years of his rookie contract is never coming back.

Finally, to those who think we’re anti-Lamar for pointing out that he should hire an agent to navigate the murky waters of negotiating a complex and nuanced contract worth a quarter billion dollars or more with the Ravens or some other team, here’s the simple truth. If we were opposed to Lamar’s best interests, we’d sit back and say, “Everything’s working out perfectly. Keep it up.”

88 responses to “ESPN reiterates report that Lamar Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed deal

  1. I’m a Raven’s fan and I’m sick of this never ending story- I can’t imagine how the rest of you feel.

  2. Can’t believe the Ravens continue to be held hostage by this running back?

  3. Wow, proves he’s not savvy or smart – he barely played last year and is 1/2 qb and 1/2 rb – his value should not be high. He may be done. It’s not like Randall Cunningham, these guys these days overwork their bodies to be beasts and most are done by 30…NFL needs to check itself.

  4. I especially love the last paragraph. I don’t even think it’s that he doesn’t want to pay an agent. I think he just likes the notion of doing everything himself, being in control. But it’s foolish and prideful, smacks of excessive greed, and the results are clearly showing that he is NOT a good businessman.

  5. I don’t think you’re anti-Lamar, or pro-Lamar. You’re pro-lawyer. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. You’re trying to show where a lawyer could have helped. That lawyers are good to have around. I get it.

  6. Get hurt because of your style of play, miss the most important part of the season then ask for guaranteed money. Why would anyone do that?

  7. A running QB with an injury history wants a fully guaranteed deal???

    Unless it’s only for like 2-3 years, I wouldn’t want to be a fan of the team who gives him that.

    And I certainly wouldn’t want my team to give up major assets in a trade to get the right to pay him a 4-5 year guaranteed deal.

  8. He may have never “demanded” a fully guaranteed contract, but he likely has made it known that he strongly “wants”one.

  9. Of course Lamar wants a fully guaranteed deal. They all do. They all should. What’s the problem here?

  10. Maybe he will accept a non guaranteed deal with someone else. Perhaps a team with functioning wide receivers.

  11. And the Ravens would like a guaranteed 17 game season from him …. Not going to happen

  12. The chickens are coming home to roost for the ravens and Lamar is taking his talents to south beach

  13. The problem with negotiating for yourself is it becomes 100% personal while a neutral professional (non family friend) can listen if one side says out loud or talks negative stats or comments and just dismiss it as a neutral negotiating stance but when it’s just you in a room – your ego takes over – maybe to an irrational point … your agent can say things like, “his low passing accuracy is on the receivers and poor play calling.” BUT THE PLAYER THEMSELVES cannot without burning all the bridges.

  14. I don’t think Lamar or his camp know what the heck they’re doing. He wants a fully guaranteed deal. No, he doesn’t! Just kidding! ”He wants more than the Watson deal. No, the Ravens are too cheap tp pay him. My head is spinning and I can’t keep up. Stephen A Smith needs to come out and profusely apologize and ask for forgiveness for saying the Ravens were lowballing Lamar with the disgusting innuendo that they’re doing it because he is a QB of color. Lamar is young and not very smart . He is trying to save on agent fees. He risks losing it all and live all his life in regret. Shame…

  15. I would use the non exclusive and be happy with the two first round picks, happy that I have a QB that will not sit out on his team due to a money issue, and happy that the whiny pain in the butt is gone. I don’t think he would play for the $32M tag amount, if he can’t get what he wants.

  16. Its impossible to figure out the Lamars motives in leaks and etc. He has repeatedly made choices that work against his own best economic interests. His reasons for what he does are either dumb choices, or driven by personal reasons no one will ever understand.

    He seems like a nice guy – I hope he makes life changing money one way or another. But this is like watching a confused child try to negotiate a 200 million deal – just accept that nothing will make sense.

  17. I love these people who will spend ten dollars to save two, or will lose 50 million to save a couple million. We all know the type and their logic makes not sense but you can try to explain it until you’re blue in the face but they never get. Well Lamar happens to be one of those individuals.

  18. Welcome to the Franchise Tag.
    Turning down money that your kids will inherit. I will never understand it.

  19. At some point the owners have to say ‘no’.

    Lamar proved two things last season:
    1) You cannot count on him to stay healthy, and they need HIM healthy to win, in that offense.
    2) HE proved his heart is not in the game by ‘allegedly’ holding himself out the last couple of games and the playoff game. He’s not a TEAM player.

  20. Lamar has pissed off roughly half of the fans in Baltimore. Listen to the morning sports radio show.

  21. Ranvens have 0.00 options here that doesn’t include giving Lamar whatever he wants. When you build your entire team around a RB under center don’t be surprised when you don’t have other options. Sign him, go to salary cap hell and watch the Bengals and Browns fight it out for the division over the next decade+. At least the Steelers won’t have to be lonely in the cellar…

  22. I’m not a Florio fan at all, but when he says Lamar needs an agent he is 100% correct. Most of this contract nonsense could be avoided and any honest negativity from the Ravens could be handled and made palatable by a third party hired by Lamar so he doesn’t have to deal with it himself. Dislike my comment if you like, but look at Lamar’s situation and then look at Derek Carr’s situation. Lamar has to play out his contract and then fight for another fair contract. Then you have Derek Carr, his contract was set up by a genius agent and his agent deserves a bonus check. Carr screwed the Raiders out of potential draft picks on a trade and now Carr gets to pick where he goes. Get a agent Lamar or call whoever works for Carr.

  23. If this is true and Lamar’s camp is telling two different tales. Do you really want him as a franchise QB going forward? Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. But if it is true, it’s begs the question of this is similar to the Kyler Murray situation. I mean he was called out by Sammy Watkins regardless of his own injury history, usually pro teammates have each others backs when it comes to money.

  24. and the money he could have made about the final two years of his rookie contract is never coming back.
    +++++
    Why would the Ravens have paid him more than they had for those two years?

    Whatever “extra” he would make in those two seasons would be offset by the Ravens seeking a lower overall total payout (for two years of a cheap rookie QB contract, foregone).

  25. The Ravens should be happy they’re saving a ton of money, and he’ll be tagged with the non exclusive tag, and the dog and pony show will continue

  26. Lamar May ultimately be traded to another team but he has curtailed his earnings by not having an agent.

  27. There is no way the 3 or 4% is worth this headache. Hire an agent, Lamar.

  28. It’s the one smart thing the Browns did signing Watson. It forces the Ravens to sign Jackson or lose him and the Bengals to sign Burroe to lose him. Pittsburgh doesn’t have a QB

  29. It’s been reported several times that Jackson is being advised by the NFLPA. The NFLPA wants fully guaranteed contracts and is using Jackson to get there. Jackson is buying what the NFLPA is selling and as mentioned, probably thinks he is saving himself the commission fee of an agent.

    Anyone who signs Jackson to his next long-term contract will regret it. Franchise him and trade him.

  30. It doesn’t matter if he wants a fully guaranteed deal or not. What matters is he remains unsigned after two years of effort. Whatever deal he wants, it’s beyond what the Ravens want to pay, either in terms or dollars or both.

  31. Why would anyone give a running QB with a history of injuries a fully guaranteed deal? Especially when said running QB has a playoff record of 1-3, with a sub 60% comp percentage and negative TD/int ratio. I just don’t get the hype.

  32. He’s going to get a fully guaranteed deal that has less money fully guaranteed than Deshaun got, but more than anyone else is getting. They’ll add money on the back-end to push it past the Mahomes total of $450M. It’ll be the largest contract ever signed for the 2nd largest guaranteed money.

    Whether he gets it from Baltimore or not is all that remains to be seen.

  33. Lamar is about get a rude awakening if the Ravens apply the exclusivet tag. The guy didn’t finish the last 2 seasons due to injury. No one is going to offer him the Watson deal. It’s a team killer. If a team will offer him that contract then they don’t care about winning and just about selling tickets.

  34. Everyone knows this. Jackson thinks he is far better than Watson. He will want more, just based on ego. Even thought the Browns screwed the pooch in panicking at the midnight hour to go way overboard with Watson and all his baggage.

  35. I hope they don’t give him a “Watson” contract. I couldn’t understand that deal either. I’m not sure Watson is even a top 10 QB. And while Jackson is a very accomplished runner, and exciting to watch, he still has a long way to go to become a true passing QB. So I don’t believe that he is worthy of a contract like that. He will end up with a fat contract simply because he has QB after his name. The fact that he refuses to hire an agent and considering all the money he has lost, it makes you wonder about his mental acuity.

  36. Hard pass. He blows a knee out, does his continued pay affect their cap?(because he wouldn’t ever be a starter again)

  37. He did make $23 million in 2022 for the 11 or so games he played. That’s not “not getting paid.” Anyone who sits out, goes on strike in a job action, etc., NEVER gets the money back for when they hold out/are on strike (very well documented in labor cases). So he’s best to at least show up and take, at a minimum, $32 million this year. That would work out to about three million a game for games he’s healthy LOL. Would seem like the really tough thing to do will be to trade him with a deal in place with other team (without an agent) as he probably can’t move nearly as quickly as an agent in negotiations. But I’m also sure he has representation. He might get his fully guaranteed contract, but it may also be for less than five years, etc. Whole league could operate under fully guaranteed deals if players were willing to do it maybe 2-3 years at a time (I’m sure that’s as far as most teams would go). Or just find another Cleveland Browns to sign a bad deal (and watch team be no good when 25% of cap is in one player. Even if the person were Tom Brady and Joe Montana rolled into one, impossible to field a team around him of quality.

  38. I guess SAS and their beat writer need to fight to the death over this one.

  39. These things can both be true. He wants a fully guaranteed contract, but he did not demand a fully guaranteed contract. In the end he will get a fully guaranteed 1-year contract via the franchise tag.

  40. It’s word games. Someone told Smith that Lamar never “demanded” a guaranteed contract.

    He may have asked for one and even stated he definitely felt he deserved one but that’s not technically “demanding” one.

    Smith is being played.

  41. If best part of his career is taken away by contract issues, I don’t care if it’s his fault or the teams, it sucks for the fans. At his best he is such an exciting player to watch.

  42. Ravens should slap the non exclusive tag on him. Let LJ see if anyone else out there will offer him guaranteed Watson type money. He can sign with them and the Ravens get 2 first round picks. If the only offers LJ gets are more in the Ravens ball park, then the Ravens can match that offer and retain him.

  43. erickgreynolds says:
    March 2, 2023 at 7:29 am
    He’s going to get a fully guaranteed deal that has less money fully guaranteed than Deshaun got, but more than anyone else is getting. They’ll add money on the back-end to push it past the Mahomes total of $450M. It’ll be the largest contract ever signed for the 2nd largest guaranteed money.

    You don’t “add money on the backend” of a fully guaranteed deal, as it’s fully guaranteed. That is a term for non guaranteed contract money in later years of a contract that likely won’t be seen.

  44. Maybe four days in the dark might help him to think more clearly.
    Oh, wait…

  45. Fully Guaranteed contracts = the death of the NFL…. It’s killing Baseball and Basketball where some players become a load once they sign that golden contract….

  46. To Lamar: In your life, what will $250M buy that $150M won’t?

    On the other hand, I’ll tell you what $150M will buy that $250M won’t: a good team around you. Weapons at wide receiver. A better chance at a ring.

    I hope you understand that there is a salary cap in the NFL, and that an unreasonable amount for you not only hurts your reputation, but your legacy as well.

  47. name one, just one, run-first QB that’s had a long tenure in the NFL. You can’t, and there are good reasons for it. Ravens are insane if they offer him anything close to what Watson and Murray got. There’s are reasons the Ravens are the Ravens and the Browns and Cardinals are, well, the Browns and Cardinals.

  48. If Lamar wants a fully guaranteed contract then he made a mistake and picked the wrong professional sports. Those types of guarantees you get from the NBA and MLB. Just because the
    Browns acted like Browns again and gave Watson a fully guaranteed contract doesn’t mean the Ravens are going to make the same mistake too with Lamar.

  49. erickgreynolds says:
    March 2, 2023 at 7:29 am
    He’s going to get a fully guaranteed deal that has less money fully guaranteed than Deshaun got, but more than anyone else is getting. They’ll add money on the back-end to push it past the Mahomes total of $450M. It’ll be the largest contract ever signed for the 2nd largest guaranteed money.
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    logicman89 says:
    March 2, 2023 at 9:57 am
    You don’t “add money on the backend” of a fully guaranteed deal, as it’s fully guaranteed. That is a term for non guaranteed contract money in later years of a contract that likely won’t be seen.
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    10 years $455-500M. $175-200M fully guaranteed.

  50. A fully guaranteed contract beyond 2 years is ridiculous especially for a running QB who exposes himself to injury. Just because the Browns are the worst run organization in football, it doesn’t mean the rest of the league is stupid and has to follow them off the cliff. He’s thrown for 3,000 yards once in 5 years, and has never completed more than 265 passes in any season.

  51. PartyonWayne says:
    March 2, 2023 at 7:25 am

    Why would anyone give a running QB with a history of injuries a fully guaranteed deal? Especially when said running QB has a playoff record of 1-3, with a sub 60% comp percentage and negative TD/int ratio. I just don’t get the hype.
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    Only Patrick Mahomes has a better winning percentage since Lamar has entered the league. That’s really the only stat you need to know. So many untruths with Lamar, my lord. Negative TD/Int ratio? Really? Two injuries in 5 years does not make you injury prone!! And no one was away from his first injury. QBs get hurt,it happens, but, of course, anything negative magnified when it comes to this guy. Like the playoff record. I never heard that mentioned about a QB in contract talks until Lamar came along. No one ever mentioned Stafford’s, Cousins’ poor playoffs when it comes to them getting paid.

  52. I have a feeling the Falcons want to be “relevant” and are going to trade for Mar.

    Will Arthur Blank cave to Mar’s demands, or will Mar sign a terrific deal like everyone else not named Watson to get out of Baltimore, which is definitely happening.

  53. It’s not like Randall Cunningham, these guys these days overwork their bodies to be beasts and most are done by 30…NFL needs to check itself.
    +++++
    Randall Cunningham was pretty much done by 30 – he only had 2 seasons afterwards where he started more than 6 games.

  54. It’s a shame that agents have to secure this for their players and the NFLPA is not doing this in the CBA.

  55. Good luck! Guess you are sitting out! You aren’t going to bully Harbaugh.

  56. allmyexsliveintexas says:
    March 2, 2023 at 10:26 am
    To Lamar: In your life, what will $250M buy that $150M won’t?

    On the other hand, I’ll tell you what $150M will buy that $250M won’t: a good team around you. Weapons at wide receiver. A better chance at a ring.

    I hope you understand that there is a salary cap in the NFL, and that an unreasonable amount for you not only hurts your reputation, but your legacy as well.
    ———————————————

    It’s very easy to be generous with someone else’s money. The NFL is allowed to maximize profits, and players should be allowed to do so, as well.

    I agree with the idea that a QB demanding a maximum deal hurts the team during the life of that contract. I’m a Browns fan and I HATE the Watson deal. Not only are we paying him for 5 years, but we also gave up too many draft picks. It also places impossible expectations on Watson. His deal hurts the team financially, and kills the draft for 3 years. The Browns will absolutely not see a SB, let alone an AFCCG during his tenure.

    This was all just the incompetence and idiocy of our owner – who is a much bigger deterrent to the Browns’ success than any QB contract could ever be.

    So I get it. I also don’t fault anyone for getting all they can if that’s what they want. Brady wanted to win rings, Mahomes wants to win rings – most QBs want a huge contract. I hate the Ravens but they should put the non-exclusive tag on him and let him go find his market value – which isn’t the Watson deal.

  57. Lame is already past the shelf life of a running back wearing a QB Halloween costume. I’d guarantee him a shot at starting and then a contract at league position minimum loaded with incentives. This guy has been wounded the last couple of years – this will not improve. Giving him guarantees is like burning money.

  58. nite2al says:
    March 2, 2023 at 10:55 am

    Only Patrick Mahomes has a better winning percentage since Lamar has entered the league. That’s really the only stat you need to know. ……….. No one ever mentioned Stafford’s ……. poor playoffs when it comes to them getting paid.

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    Mahomes – 11-3 in the playoffs with 3 SB appearances. And oh by the way 2 won.

    Stafford – 4-3 (ALL 3 losses with the Lions) in the playoffs with a SB win.

    Jackson – 1-3 in the playoffs while playing with the RAVENS not the LIONS.

    That’s all ANYONE (but you apparently) needs to know to know he isn’t worth what he is asking for. He’s more than welcome to ask for it, he’s more than welcome to think he deserves it.

    But only one team that is that crazy has already loaded that pistol, pointed it at their head and pulled the trigger on a QB who is MUCH worse than Jackson is. Nice object lesson for the league as what not to do.

  59. Stafford – 4-3 (ALL 3 losses with the Lions) in the playoffs with a SB win.
    ________________________________

    0-3 in 13 years before the Rams paid him. That was the point. Hardly any QB would get paid, if you based it on playoffs. It’s not a thing with contracts for the umpteenth time. SHOW me the proof. Idiots, I tell yah… Can’t wait until Herbert’s time to get paid and see you all change the narrative. Barely .500 for a career and 0-1 in the playoffs. Hypocrites.

  60. I agree with the idea that a QB demanding a maximum deal hurts the team during the life of that contract. I’m a Browns fan and I HATE the Watson deal. Not only are we paying him for 5 years, but we also gave up too many draft picks. It also places impossible expectations on Watson. His deal hurts the team financially, and kills the draft for 3 years. The Browns will absolutely not see a SB, let alone an AFCCG during his tenure.

    This was all just the incompetence and idiocy of our owner – who is a much bigger deterrent to the Browns’ success than any QB contract could ever be.

    So I get it. I also don’t fault anyone for getting all they can if that’s what they want. Brady wanted to win rings, Mahomes wants to win rings – most QBs want a huge contract. I hate the Ravens but they should put the non-exclusive tag on him and let him go find his market value – which isn’t the Watson deal.
    ___________________

    And please tell me what have all those picks done for the Browns over their history? LOL. The Ravens took your team and raised you 2 Super Bowls. When you got a chance to get a top flight QB, you get him. So many people on this board are satisfied with mediocre. Dump Dak, keep Dalton. Keep Rosen, draft Bosa. Keep Huntley, ship Lamar. Ridiculous.

  61. Stay strong, Ravens. Like it or not, you’re what’s standing in the way of the ridiculous Watson contract becoming normalized.

    If Jackson had any sense or valued teambuilding, he’d have signed a Josh Allen-sized contract a couple years back. The team would have happily given it to him, he’d be getting paid commensurate with his success, and the team would have a firm budget to fill out the roster.

    Instead, we’re playing this ridiculous game of entitlement and poor communication. When your team and your teammates don’t know what’s going on and whether you’re going to show up at the end of the season, when you’ve failed to finish two seasons running, when you expect to be the highest-paid player in the game when you haven’t won anything or even achieved an individual honor for three years and counting, you’re the problem.

  62. nite2al says:
    March 2, 2023 at 12:07 pm

    Hardly any QB would get paid, if you based it on playoffs. It’s not a thing with contracts for the umpteenth time. SHOW me the proof. Idiots, I tell yah… Can’t wait until Herbert’s time to get paid and see you all change the narrative. Barely .500 for a career and 0-1 in the playoffs. Hypocrites.

    ===

    Playoffs are absolutely a thing with contracts. You don’t think Mahomes winning the SB in his 2nd year of starting affected anything? Or that Dak Prescott’s quick arrival in the playoffs played a part? Come on. Apart from Watson, playoff success plays a huge role in the biggest QB contracts.

    The issue with Jackson isn’t about wanting a big contract, it’s about wanting more than anyone else when he hasn’t won anything and a long guarantee when he’s become unreliable. Two years ago, he was completely deserving of an Allen-sized contract. Since then, he hasn’t even finished a season, but he expects more than he would have gotten then? Makes no sense at all.

    Herbert hasn’t won anything either. Based on what they’ve won, he and Jackson probably deserve about the same size contract right now, with neither of them remotely approaching the Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Hurts level of accomplishment.

  63. IMO, he’d be tagged and dealt by now, but he clearly hasn’t been because of a disagreement in guaranteed money, and Baltimore totally botching their franchise QB position like they did with Flacco.

    Waiting it out and not budgetinng, thumbing your nose at the cap, is an enormous mistake. It’s arrogance.

    Jackson used his leverage, a leverage Baltimore gave him. I said 2 years ago they should have quietly dealt him and they likely would have gotten 2 1st rders. It was clear to anyone that his ceiling was reached after 2020, and he’s only going to flatline, get worse and/or get hurt annually. Why would you pay more for that? It’s horrible ROI and Baltimore knows it, but now they have no leverage because they’ve arrogantly allowed everyone else to know it.

    It’s why they missed the playoffs from 2015-2017, on top of Reed retiring. Ironically, they’re mad at dumb Cleveland with the Watson contract, which his hilarious because the reason why the market spiked outside of the new CBA in 2011 reducing rookie QB contracts, is because they waited on average Flacco and then overpaid him!

    Oh, the irony.

  64. erickgreynolds says:
    March 2, 2023 at 7:29 am
    He’s going to get a fully guaranteed deal that has less money fully guaranteed than Deshaun got, but more than anyone else is getting. They’ll add money on the back-end to push it past the Mahomes total of $450M. It’ll be the largest contract ever signed for the 2nd largest guaranteed money.
    _______________________
    logicman89 says:
    March 2, 2023 at 9:57 am
    You don’t “add money on the backend” of a fully guaranteed deal, as it’s fully guaranteed. That is a term for non guaranteed contract money in later years of a contract that likely won’t be seen.
    ——————–
    10 years $455-500M. $175-200M fully guaranteed.

    ——————————————–

    That is literally the opposite of a fully guaranteed contract. That is just a regular contract with Guaranteed money and non guaranteed money, like everyone not named Watson signs.

  65. Playoffs are absolutely a thing with contracts. You don’t think Mahomes winning the SB in his 2nd year of starting affected anything? Or that Dak Prescott’s quick arrival in the playoffs played a part? Come on. Apart from Watson, playoff success plays a huge role in the biggest QB contracts.

    The issue with Jackson isn’t about wanting a big contract, it’s about wanting more than anyone else when he hasn’t won anything and a long guarantee when he’s become unreliable. Two years ago, he was completely deserving of an Allen-sized contract. Since then, he hasn’t even finished a season, but he expects more than he would have gotten then? Makes no sense at all.

    Herbert hasn’t won anything either. Based on what they’ve won, he and Jackson probably deserve about the same size contract right now, with neither of them remotely approaching the Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Hurts level of accomplishment.
    _____________________________

    Not. Mahomes did a team friendly deal. The Ravens would match that in a heartbeat. Allen and Burrow more accomplished? By what metric? 100% players would rather be an NFL MVP, the best of the best, than a SB loser team award, which Allen even accomplished. Nice try, who’s next?

  66. nite2al says:
    March 2, 2023 at 12:23 pm

    And please tell me what have all those picks done for the Browns over their history? LOL. The Ravens took your team and raised you 2 Super Bowls. When you got a chance to get a top flight QB, you get him. So many people on this board are satisfied with mediocre. Dump Dak, keep Dalton. Keep Rosen, draft Bosa. Keep Huntley, ship Lamar. Ridiculous.
    ————————————————-

    Well, the Browns have made good picks and are probably as successful with first rounders as any team – if we’re not talking about QBs. First round QBs often fail to meet expectations.

    But that’s also the larger issue – what are the expectations? QBs taken in the first half of the first round are going to the bottom half of the league. That one addition can’t magically improve a bad team. As we see with the Jags, it takes a good HC and other stuff, as well.

    Back to the Browns – we’ve had awful ownership since 1999. Haslam is actually worse than the Lerners and I didn’t think that was possible. Stability comes from the top, and if the owner “resets” everything constantly there’s no stability to build from. Mayfield played under four different HCs and however many different OCs in his short time with the team. No matter who it is, that’s never going to lead to success.

  67. The people who claim Lamar Jackson “should have signed two years ago” casually ignore the runup in QB salaries that has occurred in the intervening two years. In 2020, Mahomes had the highest guaranteed money at $141.5M. Lamar was NEVER going to get more than that. In 2021, the highest was Josh Allen at $150M. Lamar could have gotten that. In 2022, you had Watson at $230M, Murray at $189.5M, and Russ at $161M. If you compare Lamar to just Murray, then signing in 2020 would have had him leaving north of $48 million short in guaranteed money.

    The very reason the Ravens wanted to sign him cheap in 2020 is the very reason why he should not have signed back then. And maybe should not sign in 2023, either, and wait for the Burrow and Hurts and Herbert contracts.

    Lamar is playing the long game. An agent would have had him playing a short game, and losing 2% of his contract on top of that.

  68. touchback6 says:
    March 2, 2023 at 12:59 pm

    “I said 2 years ago they should have quietly dealt him and they likely would have gotten 2 1st rders. It was clear to anyone that his ceiling was reached after 2020, and he’s only going to flatline, get worse and/or get hurt annually.”

    * * * * *

    There is so much wrong in this post. If the Ravens actually thought Lamar Jackson had gotten “worse,” then the non-exclusive tag would have been a no brainer. Because that would mean he was a $32.5 million per year QB, worth two draft picks. No one with brain believes that. Which is why it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they put the non-exclusive tag on him, and go with the exclusive at $45M.

    This is what cracks me up — none of the people here who claim Lamar sucks at his job are calling for the Ravens to cut him lose, or even used the non-exclusive tag. And that is quite telling as to what y’all REALLY think about him — You know he is good, but something inside you wants him to not get paid what an open market would say he is worth, especially considering the contracts given to Watson and Murray. And I don’t get it.

  69. He’s obviously very good, but there is too much nonsense surrounding him. He’s hurt often, quit on his team at the end of the season and also wants to do his own negotiating.

    The Ravens should non-exclusive tag him.

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