Inside the Derek Carr deal

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Less than a year ago, we went inside the latest Derek Carr contract with the Raiders. We now get to do it all over again.

We’re doing it all over again because the Raiders exercised their ability to ditch the contract after a one-year, $24.9 million arrangement.

Now with the Saints, here’s what Carr is due to receive, per a source with knowledge of the terms.

1. Signing bonus: $28.5 million.

2. 2023 base salary: $1.5 million, fully guaranteed.

3. 2024 base salary: $30 million, fully guaranteed.

4. 2025 compensation: $40 million, guaranteed for injury at signing. Of that amount, $10 million becomes fully guaranteed in 2024, and the remainder becomes fully guaranteed in 2025. (The payments are in the form of a 90-man offseason roster bonus in the amount of $10 million, and a $30 million base salary.)

5. 2026 base salary: $50 million, non-guaranteed.

So while it’s technically a four-year, $150 million deal, it’s at best a three-year, $100 million deal. The fourth year is a device aimed simply at driving the average from $33.3 million per year to $37.5 million — since he reportedly was looking for at least $35 million per year.

The contract could be as short as two years and $70 million, with the final $10 million being subject to offset in 2025.

At a minimum, Carr will make $60 million for one year. The only way to avoid owing $70 million over two would be to cut him after one season.

And while the deal includes a no-trade clause, no one would trade for that deal if Carr didn’t want to play for the team in question, with or without an official no-trade clause.

43 responses to “Inside the Derek Carr deal

  1. thats not 60 million for 2023..its only 30 million which will probably be the end of it.

  2. I love these “inside the contract” posts. Friendly suggestion: come up with a standard layout for the end payout if the player is cut after each year. Some of these posts make sure to include that information (this one did), but not all do…and that information is usually shared in full paragraph form, which isn’t the quickest to parse. With NFL teams playing around with contract flexibility more than ever (right, Bobby Wagner?), that year-to-year information is more relevant than anything else!

  3. I don’t think Carr expected things to play out this way. The Saints would have been better off trading while he was a Raider. They would have given up compensation, but that could help their financials.

  4. It’s a 2 year deal unless Carr balls out and earns the 40 mil year in which case the 5th year would be nulled when he signs a new contract with more guaranteed money.

  5. Just to have a ceiling of going 8-9 and competing for the AFC a south title and losing in the wildcard round. Red Rifle would do that for $18 million

  6. Seems like the right numbers. Carr and the Saints should be an above-average team that benefits from playing in a very weak division.

  7. Interesting that Florio wrote that no one would trade for that deal but before he was signed, Florio thought Carr would get a $40M/year offer. Even $30M is way overpaid for Carr.

  8. I don’t think Carr expected things to play out this way. The Saints would have been better off trading while he was a Raider. They would have given up compensation, but that could help their financials.

    First off, Carr said he was going to refuse any trade, which was his right. Maybe he would have preferred a different team, but the process is exactly what he wanted. Second, explain how giving up draft picks which they need to put players around him would have been a good idea, and how on earth that would have help their financials. Carr was going to get that contract, trade or no trade.

  9. My guess is he’ll end up being seen as a rental for 2 years until NOs develops a QB.

  10. danbart57 says:
    March 6, 2023 at 2:21 pm
    thats not 60 million for 2023..its only 30 million which will probably be the end of it.

    Did you not read the specifics of the contract, the 2024 $30MM salary is guaranteed and if he is on the roster for the first day of that NFL official year then another $10MM would become guaranteed for 2025. So the minimum they can pay him is $60MM and the only way the pay that little is to release him after the 2023 season, thus 1 year for $60MM.

    Of course if the 2023 season isn’t a complete bust he will more than like be on the roster for the first day of the official 2024 season turning the contract into a minimum of a 2 year $70MM contract.

  11. If Carr got this then I would suspect the Giants are paying attention and Danial Jones’ negotiation position has worsened since his agents left the combine. This contract is essentially a 2 your contract with an average annual salary of $35MM, but Carr is better than Jones . . . so there is no way Jones deserves more than $35MM per year and nothing more than $60 – $70 million guaranteed.

    Now as an Eagles fan I hope they over pay Jones and commit to $38 – $40 Million per year for 5 years with a whole bunch of guaranteed money . . . it will put them in the same situation as the Cowboys, a mediocre QB at a premium price!

  12. Certainly no expert but wouldn’t Carr have made more if he would have allowed the trade to the Saints to happen?

  13. This ends the leaning towards the Jets which I said yesterday wasn’t happening. Thanks again

  14. danbart57 says:
    March 6, 2023 at 2:21 pm
    thats not 60 million for 2023..its only 30 million which will probably be the end of it.

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    Damn, Florio broke it down for you and everything. What part of “fully guaranteed” was confusing?

  15. danbart57 says:
    March 6, 2023 at 2:21 pm

    thats not 60 million for 2023..its only 30 million which will probably be the end of it.

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    You missed the $30 million for 2024 that is fully guaranteed.

  16. Carr is slightly better than Daniel Jones, but I think they’re still overpaying a little. The QB market has become something of a quandary. All a QB has to do is walk onto the field and they think they’re worth $40 mill a year. I don’t think they realize they need to actually perform at higher level than many actually do.

  17. It’s a fair deal for all involved. Barring injury or the staff getting canned – which is really likely after they lose the division to the Panthers and the suddenly revitalized Jameis Winston (or Sam Darnold) next year – he’ll probably finish his career in NO.

  18. First off, Carr said he was going to refuse any trade, which was his right. Maybe he would have preferred a different team, but the process is exactly what he wanted. Second, explain how giving up draft picks which they need to put players around him would have been a good idea, and how on earth that would have help their financials. Carr was going to get that contract, trade or no trade.
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    Carr ended up with a lower average than the Raider contract, no? In a trade, the Raiders could have eaten some of Carr’s salary or taken one of the Saints players in a trade. The Raiders weren’t going to get good compensation.

    I thought Carr would prefer to play for a legit contender. Maybe, I’m wrong.

  19. Russell Wilson got $50 million plus per season so this is a bargain for the Saints.

  20. $30M-$35M is simply the going rate for average NFL QBs. While there may be some question if Carr is on the lower end of the “average” scale, this seems like a fair market deal.

  21. $35M cap hit is too big of a percentage of total cap for the Saints to be seriously considered as title contenders. When you have a Mahomes or an Allen or a Burroughs you can pay $50M and sacrifice depth/talent elsewhere as they make up those deficiencies. QBs of Carr’s ilk, like Prescott, Cousins, etc, need to be in the $25M range (roughly 12.5% of cap). Thanks for playig Saints.

  22. WOW, just goes to show you how desperate teams are for a QB and what they’ll pay for what they think is a QB… Not a big Carr fan, but hey, good for him. He go a team to pay him and give him a contract he’ll never live up too…

  23. Fair market deal all the way around. The only problem I foresee is who gets whacked in order to fit D Carr under their bloated cap?

  24. His deal guarantees him 60 million, 60 mil signing for the first two years OR if something happens to him after or during year one then it’s 60 mil for one year

  25. I like Carr but it’s funny that the Saints wanted him. It seems like he always had terrible games against that division. I guess it was the jet lag?

  26. Saints way over paid for a .444 lifetime winning percentage 0-1 in the playoffs QB.

    Fortunately for them and Carr they are in the WORST division in the NFL so it may work out because everybody else has worse QBs that Carr (which is saying something).

    So if Carr can’t win in that division it will prove once and for all he isn’t an elite QB (and I’m fairly sure while he’ll win a lot in the Division he’ll still preform miserably in
    the playoffs).

  27. The Saints have over paid, by $8 mil a year, because Carr is not worth more than $25 mil a year and frankly I wouldn’t pay him that!

  28. dvdman123 says:
    March 6, 2023 at 3:56 pm
    Russell Wilson got $50 million plus per season so this is a bargain for the Saints.

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    Wilson has a Super Bowl ring and a 9-7 playoff record.

    Derek Carr has no Super Bowl rings and 0-1 playoff record for his career. Great deal for the Saints lol. If the Bucs can land even a high-end backup QB, they will easily challenge the Aint’s for the division everyone seems to be giving them already.

  29. Joe Burrow has nothing to do with this, why does saying something like “the sky is blue” garner thumbs up?

  30. You don’t understand how contracts work, do you?

    Pat’s Rule says:
    March 6, 2023 at 4:16 pm
    WOW, just goes to show you how desperate teams are for a QB and what they’ll pay for what they think is a QB… Not a big Carr fan, but hey, good for him. He go a team to pay him and give him a contract he’ll never live up too…

  31. How is he possibly going to survive on only $60 million. Should have hired Lamar”s agent! 🙂

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