The Lamar Jackson unprovable collusion has started quickly

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The NFL and its teams collude. All the time. About various issues. Knowing it and proving it are two different things.

When it comes to Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, there will never be direct evidence of an agreement among teams or a directive from 345 Park Avenue to avoid at all costs giving Jackson a fully-guaranteed contract. But the circumstantial evidence is potent, and (as we saw today) sudden.

Free agency doesn’t begin until next Wednesday. Immediately, however, in the aftermath of the application of the non-exclusive franchise tag to Jackson, the Falcons made it known to ESPN, the Panthers made it known to TheAthletic.com, and the Dolphins made it known to ESPN that they wouldn’t be pursuing Jackson.

The last one is a bit of a surprise, given that Josina Anderson of CBS Sports reported over the weekend that the Dolphins would “explore all options” at quarterback. How can the Dolphins explore all options while giving Jackson the cold shoulder?

The pattern is troubling. It suggests that the teams are avoiding ever getting to the point where they’d decline giving Jackson a fully-guaranteed, Deshaun Watson-style contract because they’ll never even talk to Jackson. They’re just not interested.

Don’t call us. We’ll call you. Unless we don’t.

It reeks of collusion. It reeks as much as the collusion that happened with Colin Kaepernick. It reeks as much as the collusion that has gone of for a long, long time regarding the money given to coaches. It reeks as much as the collusion that plainly occurred during the uncapped year of 2010, when the Cowboys and Washington later got whacked for daring to treat the uncapped year as uncapped.

Last year, teams lined up for a crack at Watson, despite more than 20 pending lawsuits alleging that he engaged in sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions and the promise of a suspension in 2022. Deliberate or not, Watson eliminated the Browns at the perfect time, after they’d pissed off Baker Mayfield and had no viable starter. So they swooped in with a fully-guaranteed deal — and the Browns became persona non grata among their business partners. (They denied it, because of course they did. Anything else would have made things worse.)

Now, after the NFL Players Association already has filed a grievance alleging collusion in the refusal to give fully-guaranteed contracts to “certain quarterbacks,” teams that otherwise should be at least talking to a former MVP who is available for two first-round picks have made it known to the world not to bother connection them to Lamar.

We all know what’s going on. And we also know that, when push comes to shove, the collusion will never be proven.

197 responses to “The Lamar Jackson unprovable collusion has started quickly

  1. Or they just don’t want being part of a circus with a guy who has won one playoff game, quit on his team this year, and has not finished the last 2 seasons, and who relies on elite athleticism, which is unlikely to outlast a major contract.

  2. OR..maybe the teams dont think Jackson is worth two first round picks, not to mention the cap problems of signing a qb at 40-50 mill per year. I sure would not give up two 1s for him if I was a gm of a team with space to sign him.

  3. Guaranteed contracts with a salary cap will cripple many franchises. It’s not collusion, it’s smart business. Just because the Browns are idiots doesn’t mean the rest of the franchises need to be idiots.

  4. Collusion for sure … he does not have an agent so everyone is out to screw him.

  5. Good. I’m not sure how much longer qb’s could keep playing leapfrog to have the honor of being highest paid but it’s not sustainable and if a guy knows all he has to do is withhold his services (like Jackson did at the end of last season) and wait for another team to pony up, it’ll ruin the sport. About time someone stopped this madness and if collision is what it takes, I’m all in. If the players don’t like it, to hell with them, let them get a 5-6 figure a year job like the rest of us.

  6. Lamar is doing players a disservice by being the one to push the issue of guaranteed contracts. He is 100% the type of player who no one in their right mind would give a guaranteed contract for as long as the salary cap exists. He has NOT been as good the last couple years. He hasn’t been able to finish either season. He has not had playoff success, and QBs with that skill set rarely do. You cant guarantee 250 million to a guy who will be on IR by week 9.

    It’s gonna have to be a Mahomes-type who pushes the issue foward. Lamar is a bit delusional in his view of himself in my opinion.

  7. Let’s face it, there are some stupid moves by teams like Cleveland that want to buy a shot at a SB by making bad moves and garenteeing silly contracts. It looks like most teams are moving the opposite direction. The team revolves around the QB but you need other good players to make the team and that doesn’t happen with the paying the QB everything

  8. No collusion, no team is going to going to give up 2 first round draft picks for the guy.

  9. That argument is ridiculous. How many playoff games did desean Watson win before he got paid? How about Matt Stafford? Derek Carr? He did win a legitimate mvp. Tha amount of Lamar Jackson vitriol is seriously gross, and I’m not a ravens fan.

  10. Here is what all 32 teams agree on: A running QB who hasn’t been able to complete the past two seasons due to injury, is not a wise place t committ top of market, fully guaranteed money in a long term contract. They colluded on common sense. It would be even more foolish for another to surrender two Rd1 picks to put themselves in that situation. Sheesh, this is not astrophysics.

  11. C’mon, Mike, when you’re trying to prove your argument, even you should know that using the Brown’s organization as your litmus test is inherently problematic. 🤔

  12. Lamar hasn’t proven he’s worth the money! Contrary to the collusion argument – it’s obvious the Ravens are offering a team friendly deal and I’m sure they’ll include some form of high dollar incentive language should Lamar impress this coming season with his health & play. Other teams have obviously done their homework on him & at the moment are either waiting on Baltimore or Lamar to blink. I can see him still fitting in Tampa, Carolina and maybe even Houston or NYJ.

  13. Is it really collusion to not want to make the same crippling mistake the worst franchise in sports history made trading all the picks away for Massage Watson and paying him all that money?

  14. Or…the teams recognize what you apparently don’t which is his MVP was back in 2019 (it’s 2023), he hasn’t been able to finish the last two seasons due to injury, a large part of his game is running (which increases the risk of the aforementioned injuries), they would have to give up two 1st round picks for him, and in all likelihood sign him to a fully guaranteed contract (despite the aforementioned injury risk).

    That’s a No for me dog.

  15. With the exception of someone like Mahomes or Brady back in the day, a fully-guaranteed contract could, and most likely would, cripple a team for maybe a decade if the player doesn’t play extremally well. Jackson has had ONE such year and the last couple haven’t been great. You call it collusion, I call it common sense

  16. Florio, I love your work but isn’t it possible that 3 general managers independently decided under no circumstances are we giving up 2 first round picks for this guy?

    I mean, combine that with what you show as evidence he wants a full guaranteed contract the way he plays you’d probably have to be an idiot to entertain the idea. Is that how you define collusion?

  17. Never fails..Somehow a certain QB with the initial’s C.K. seems to sneak into any talk about owners making sound business moves..By not giving up $250 MILLION in a GUARANTEED contract for a QB who quit on his team, always gets hurt and won 1 single playoff game somebody thinks collusion? By the way that QB (C.K.) hasn’t played in YEARS..let it go

  18. The Dolphins have Tua so why would they want to give up two first-round picks and a gigantic guaranteed contract for another QB? Because he had some concussions this year? Make sure you have a good backup.

    The Falcons and Panthers have high draft picks this year and can pick one of the highly touted rookies. Why give up that high draft pick plus another one next year and the chance to pay a rookie-scale contract for the privilege of paying huge guaranteed money to another QB?

    Sometimes what looks like collusion is just everybody engaging in common sense instead of doing whatever one player wants.

  19. So teams didn’t collude to sign Watson, and he was offered a guaranteed contract.

    BUT

    Teams colluded not to sign Jackson, and not offer him a guaranteed contract.

    Huh?

    Maybe different values at QB? Nah, probably just collusion, right?

    And 1 has an agent, the other does not, but I’m sure that has NO effect on the negotiations.

  20. Every team needs a franchise QB to be successful. No teams are culluding especially two teams in the same division who both have hade terrible QB play for two years. The contract plus the picks–The juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

  21. Jackson has lowered his value by his inability to throw outside the numbers and stay healthy. If the NFLPA can interfere with and try to alter the CBA by advising Jackson each owner has a right to decide what is in the best interest of their team. Common sense is not collusion.

  22. Well if Lamar would take a non guaranteed contract he’d already be signed. If he didn’t quit on his team last year he’d have a contract. Seems to me Lamar is causing a lot of his own problems.

  23. No one is trading 2 first rd picks for him. He just and his agent (he is his agent) just left 10 million on the table.

  24. Only one QB has gotten fully guaranteed money, DeSean Watson and it was a HUGE mistake. Lamar Jackson is a quality player, but he misses games every year due to injury and it’s likely once he has a knee or leg injury that he will be less effective. It’s a huge gamble that could set a team back for a decade or more to trade for him, give him a fully guaranteed contract AND give up draft choices to acquire him. It’s not collusion; it’s business. Lamar Jackson sees his value as x, but teams, considering all the above factors, see his value as 60% of x. When a player overestimates his value, he is often disappointed. Careers are short, which I understand, but if you pay a QB so much, you can’t pay for quality players to surround him.

  25. 32 teams are competing against each other. Not working with each other. If you were an owner, would you want Lamar Jackson? So, if you ask 31 owners if they want Lamar Jackson, and without hesitation they all say no, that’s not collusion. Ask 32 knuckleheads like me if we’d like to win the lottery. If we all say yes, we didn’t collude.

  26. When everyone comes to the same conclusion, but it’s different than the media narrative, that is the definition of collusion.

  27. You don’t need to collude to know that guaranteed contracts are a bad idea for teams. Basic common sense will tell you that.

  28. This makes Baltimore look filthy dirty.

    The only thing these billionaires find more special than a talented QB like Lamar, is money. Go figure.

  29. I can envision teams wanting Jackson but not at a high price. He’s very different then Watson in that Watson is a much more traditional pocket passer. Jackson’s skills are elite, but very risky, health wise. As far as the reports out that all those teams are already saying they aren’t in, I think that is baloney. That would be like them saying they aren’t interested in the top draft pick quarterback. The top corner, Edge rusher. This is after all the time of season for lying, in the NFL.

  30. Of course it’s collusion. If he wasn’t always hurt, teams would sign him. Fins already have an always HURT QB.

  31. Its time to let the experiment of Lamar Jackson end if he insists on a guaranteed contract. He is an above average QB at best, so he doesn’t deserve a fully guaranteed huge contract. I would say he deserves the same as Daniel Jones. They are both about the same type of QB. Mostly better runners than passers, and of course since they prefer to run, will probably end of hurt more often.

  32. I hope your able to blow the lid off the collusion thing. It plagues all of us . I’ve been playing the lottery since it started and not one darn jackpot!

  33. Or maybe these teams saw all they needed to see last year when Lamar BAILED on his team, and his teammates, during the Ravens playoff appearance. Who wants to put a guy like that out front as the face of your franchise? Nobody that’s who

  34. Or it could just be that he overrates himself, costs too much, is acting as his own agent which is a pain for team negotiators, and he’s injured all the time so nobody wants to fully guarantee his contract. There is that possibility. Not to mention that just because the Clowns do something stupid with a contract for an overrated player doesn’t mean that other overrated players have to get that from smart teams, too. Finally, if they are colluding against guaranteed contracts, there is a term for this. It’s called smart business.

  35. Logic says logic gets deleted so why bother. They don’t want him. Rave want him cheaper. Get it right

  36. On one hand you state that it took a tragically coincidental timing of events to persuade a team to sign a QB to a guaranteed contract of that size. Now it’s collusion that other smart business people aren’t jumping off the same bridge? Flawed argument from the litigator.

  37. The Ravens want Lamar in Baltimore, but Lamar needs a contact and Lamar feels that he’s worth more than what the Ravens are willing to pay him. So, the Ravens cannot just let Lamar go without some kind of compensation from whatever team may be interested in having Lamar as their QB, so they do Lamar a favor by going the nonexclusive franchise route instead if the exclusive route. The Ravens could of jacked up the franchise tag amount, but they didn’t. Instead they are letting the league set the fair market value of Lamar’s services. This isn’t collusion, every owner and every GM has two eyes and they can see what has happened in the past. Look at Wilson, look at Kyler, and everyone’s favorite, look at Watson and his horrible contract situation. Bad teams make bad business decisions sometimes, but it isn’t collusion when every other team just says no, I’m not getting in to that mess that Baltimore was in just because of one niche player that has to run this one niche scheme and we will be completely screwed if anything happens to that one individual who happens to eat up one quarter of the salary cap. Also, the old saying still holds truth. When you mom said “well, if so and so jumped of a bridge, that doesn’t mean that you should jump off of a bridge too…”, well, sorry, this isn’t collusion. Try to move that goalposts a little further next time Florio.

  38. This might be collusion but it just as equally could be teams seeing the same thing as the rest of us. A player who has had great success but also has been hurt at the end of multiple seasons. Jimmy G has had greater playoff performances and no one is claiming it’s crazy he wasn’t signed last year. Some argue it’s bc his team made him but the same team finished 19th the year after the Super Bowl when he got hurt. The reason Lamar isn’t being offered the moon is bc for all his ability he often lacks avail-ability.

  39. I don’t need to collude with anyone to determine that giving a player a fully guaranteed contact is a bad idea; especially a player who can’t/won’t play the entire season. That’s called common sense, not collusion…

  40. Lamar Jackson is sitting in his conference room reviewing a 50-page legal document and he would like to discuss Page 27, Section XVIII. Paragraph C, Line 15. Indemnification & Intellectual Property, Sub Section IV. … LOL …. no agent

  41. The real issue that you and players should be fighting is the cap itself. Setting a minimum to require competitive teams makes sense. Denying a good team from rewarding their draft picks with higher salaries does not. Set a cap on free agency to prevent a top heavy team from buying all the talent, but allow for draft picks and UDFAs to be paid any amount by teams to keep them without forcing them to reduce talent. Reward teams who create their teams, reward loyalty, reward fans who buy jerseys, etc. by allowing the players to remain on the team longer.

  42. I have to concur with several other posters here, what makes you so certain that yup its collusion can’t be any other way gotta be look at all the evidence… perhaps it’s those teams don’t want to pay the price of admission of a potentially guaranteed contract AND two first rounders. It’s not like the Panthers ot the Falcons are one person away. Why don’t you look at the devastating impact of giving away 2 high first rounders for a guy who hasn’t completed a whole lot of full seasons since entering the league, a guy who, based on evidence, seems to shy away from the bright(er) lights of post season for a guy who may eat up nearly 20% of your cap… I’m glad you’re not my team’s gm.

  43. Maybe the teams don’t want to give up two 1sts and pay guaranteed money for often injured QB. Sometimes it is simple.

  44. I hear the author screamimg, “Union! Union! Union!” Without acknowledging that Lamar decided the timing of his negotiations with the Ravens and that he decided not to hire an experienced agent.

  45. The last one is a bit of a surprise, given that Josina Anderson of CBS Sports reported over the weekend that the Dolphins would “explore all options” at quarterback. How can the Dolphins explore all options while giving Jackson the cold shoulder?

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    So it’s collusion because teams don’t want to give this guy the richest QB contract ever, all guaranteed? Ravens know what Lamar is asking. They know no other team will offer what he’s asking for. Therefore they feel it’s an affordable risk. What team would give a ton of cap space along with 2 1st rounders? It’s a smart business decision. Not collusion just because every team knows it’s a stupid salary structure.

  46. Everyones colluding cause none of them want to give a 5 yr 250+ Million guaranteed contract to a player that has missed 30% of games the last two years due to injury, and to acquire him its going to cost you two 1st rd picks? no thanks. Thats a lot to risk for a guy that really hasnt won much of anything, but he is exciting to watch when hes healthy.

  47. Seems like the NFL is starting to realize that the QB who rack up carries nearly in line with HB will break down like HB. We saw it with Cam Newton. We saw it with Vick (albeit adjusted for his indiscretions, the fall was rapid). It’s the sad reality of taking hits.

    Bottom line is that Lamar has 727 carries. I you aren’t paying guaranteed money to someone who is showing signs of skill regression and who is also racking up significant carries and hits.

    This is simple reality. It’s not collusion. It’s maybe delusion on behalf of Lamar, but that’s it.

  48. Ravens NOT at fault Lamar’s ego is over inflated…

    I hope all 31 teams decide this is a perfect time to make an example that playing in the NFL is a privilege NOT their right!

  49. It could be as simple as a team doesn’t want to guarantee a contract to a guy who has t finished the last 2 season. Maybe it is just that simple.

  50. Fully guaranteed contracts would be a disastrous trend for the NFL. Anyone who disagrees isn’t thinking enough about the ramifications and how crippling it could be to an organization.

  51. As a fan of the Steelers, let me say that I do not fear Jackson. A middling Steeler team the last three years has gone 5-1 against the Ravens, either because Jackson missed the game or just didn’t play well. Meanwhile great QB’s like Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts torched the Steelers. Those guys scare me. I hope Jackson stays in Baltimore for the next decade. It’s not collusion. NFL teams can see exactly what I can see. Jackson is just another quarterback.

  52. Dan Snyder has the power to upset the entire league, and it will be funny if he fully guarantees a Jackson contract with a poison pill that Baltimore cannot match.

  53. In 2019 Lamar Jackson was MVP. And he deserved it. That was 4 years ago…an eternity in the NFL. Baker Mayfield was the future of the league. Carson Wentz was a young superstar who has played all 16 games, had his best season, and seemingly gotten back on track. Matt Ryan was 3 years removed from an MVP season and Cam Newton 4 years removed. 4 years ago…

    Since then, he’s regressed 3 straight years, failed to break through in the playoffs, failed to finish the season the last 2 years, displayed incredibly poor judgment and publicly antagonized his employer while acting the fool on social media.

    To suggest that now, today, in 2023 the organic market for Lamar Jackson is “biggest contract in NFL history, fully guaranteed, + 2 first rd picks” is, at best, intellectually dishonest.

  54. Of course it’s collusion. It’s why the NFLPA is involved. People act like the Browns were the only team interested in Watson or that Watson was even the first Fully guaranteed contract. Watson is a worse player on the field, who has missed more time due injury (2 torn ACLS) and like most QBs hasn’t won anything. Yet there was a line of teams offering the kitchen sink to acquire him. Kirk Cousins won zero playoff games and was below.500 and got a fully guaranteed deal and nobody said a thing. Browns broke from the camp and gave players an opening. This is not about football. This is about billionaires retaining power. Fans constantly critic the league and gooddell cry about some grand conspiracy everytime there teams lose a game but suddenly act like the integrity of the league is above reproach when things like their collusion, horrible discriminatory hiring practices, and blackballing comes up. Strength in numbers. If the NFLPA can get a couple of the other high profile QBs soon to be up for extensions to band together it’s a different ballgame.

  55. Tha amount of Lamar Jackson vitriol is seriously gross,
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    Name another QB that quit on his team over money mid-playoff push.

  56. Remember this is the same guy who refused to play when his team
    needed him the most. What owner in their right mind ( except the Browns owner) would want to pay big money to someone like that?
    He made his own bed and now he has to sleep in it.

  57. Lamar would be wise to smarten up and realize the Baltimore Offense was created for him. He’s not a plug and play QB for 31 other teams. Mostteams would have to create a new playbook for Lamar…That’s not happening

  58. The average player career is 3.3 years. Until the players are willing to strike long enough for the owners to cave-in they won’t ever get to the point of 100% guaranteed contracts being common place. That will never happen because the vast majority of players are not willing to sacrifice one third of their lifetime salaries for future players.

  59. Or.., Maybe Lamar is an often injured run first QB who can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

  60. Let’s not pretend that Lamar could walk onto any team and have similar success to what he has had in Baltimore. They made a conscious decision to build around Lamar. Look at their back-up. Snoop is the Trader Joe’s LJ. Their entire offense was engineered around the running game and a running QB. They drafted toward this goal and signed free agents based on this system. Most teams in the league have not been built that way. Their offenses are more traditional. That’s changing but it hasn’t done so yet.

    Lamar is a transcendent talent, but in order to fully utilize his talents, you have to build around him and he’s really unique. I don’t think it’s collusion as much as it is that he doesn’t fit the way a lot of NFL offenses have been designed.

    I also think that Lamar was used a little bit by the NFLPA in the hopes of setting a new floor for QB contracts. He should be getting paid a lot more than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr and maybe he still will. But this process has not really made anyone look good.

  61. Guaranteed contracts have worked so well in the NBA and MLB LoL. The structure of some of those deals have set franchises back half decades and the games and popularity have suffered but yea, pump your narrative. Watching the NBA, it looks like a league with a bunch of guaranteed money. Now they don’t even care to play when they are healthy or not. Lamar holding out for a guaranteed contract should be against the CBA as it was negotiated contracts were not guaranteed. The Browns were desperate and gave a bad (even for the Browns standards) contract and now Lamar’s agent (I know, I know) thinks it’s the market. Pay this man 17% of your salary cap meant for 53 players and watch him play 11 games a year and its 5 or 6 yrs guaranteed. Would be a tough blow to recover from for any franchise. Its not about the owner/team dynamic Mr. Florio, it’s about the fans and the game. The fans care more about their team than they do any player (just ask a lifelong fan of any team). Good luck to all parties but this has completely broken the relationship moving forward. Welcome to the new NFL.

  62. It’s been reported that Baltimore offered Jackson an extension worth $250 million with $133 million guaranteed at signing, which would have run through the 2027 season and which on paper averages $50 million a year. Jackson apparently wanted all $250m guaranteed or at least more than the $133m. It’s silly that anyone who puts himself in position to be injured by his amount of running with the ball would reject that kind of money. But he did and now here we are.

  63. See it for what it is, its the beginning of the end for the NFL. Whether it is LJ, or Derek Carr, players are testing the market of 32 for their services driving up salaries at a rapid rate. Kirk Cousins comes to mind of unproven, no Super Bowl title QBs who demand top dollar. As the Boomer generation continues to dwindle, the NFL is in desperate need of a spark to keep fans engaged. Can Lamar be that spark? Stay tuned!

  64. lol…ur saying 32 seriously rich businessmen cant come to the conclusion that lamars asking price is a bad business deal. not collusion. sheesh

  65. So sick and tired of these whiney athletes, he quit last year, couldn’t show up to cheer his team on in the playoffs and help a rookie quarterback. Pay him the 32 million and give him 17 more weeks to let his ankle heel

  66. It is not collusion when other teams individually decide that the overall asking price for Lamar Jackson is unrealistic. And quite ridiculous.

    Just because the Browns gave away everything possible to get Watson doesn’t mean the other teams are that stupid.

  67. Collusion? Come on, man! Just because the Browns went and did something stupid, does not mean that all other teams should follow suit with the stupidity. The Ravens are within their rights to determine whether or not they want to pay X player X dollars for X years. It is plausible that the Falcons, Panthers, and Dolphins do not want to deal with it. If reports are to be believed, he wants all of the contract to be guaranteed. They do not want to offer that. It is no different than a high-dollar free agent at ANY position coming into free-agency. Even if it is the BEST player at the position, in their prime, who could make ANY team better, some teams are not willing to break the bank on one position because that can be detrimental to the long-term success of an organization.

    So why would those teams bother going through the motions when they know they do not want to pay ANY player that much fully-guaranteed money–let alone one that has missed a total of 11 games in the last two seasons because of injuries?

  68. I would like to take this time to publicly demand that an NFL team sign me for 100% of its salary cap, or I’ll sue for collusion.

  69. Miami can’t pursue Jackson as they have no first round pick to give under the non exclusive tag

  70. theoriginalsurferbob says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:36 pm
    I can envision teams wanting Jackson but not at a high price. He’s very different then Watson in that Watson is a much more traditional pocket passer. Jackson’s skills are elite, but very risky, health wise. As far as the reports out that all those teams are already saying they aren’t in, I think that is baloney. That would be like them saying they aren’t interested in the top draft pick quarterback. The top corner, Edge rusher. This is after all the time of season for lying, in the NFL.
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    Your comparison is deeply flawed. A “top draft pick quarterback” would only cost a team ONE draft pick, and would be under an inexpensive Rookie contract for Four years…smh..

  71. Nobody is going to give up two 1st-rd picks AND give Jackson a historic guaranteed contract. There’s no way. You kill your chance to surround him with elite cheap talent and your real money layout is absurd. The only team dumb enough to do it is the Browns and they already did it! Nobody else is gonna step up and match that stupidity.

  72. It in no way reeks of collusion. If Jackson was ready to accept a Josh Allen-sized contract, he’d already have accepted the Ravens’ offer, or teams would be beating down the door to offer trades.

    This isn’t collusion. This is the other 31 non-Cleveland teams not wanting any more part of a fully-guaranteed 5-year contract and giving up 2 firsts now than they did when they balked at signing Watson.

    If Jackson wanted anything reasonable, it would be a bidding war.

  73. Just because the Browns are stupid….why give a guy who can’t stay healthy nor hardly EIN when lights shine brightest a guaranteed contract? It’s called bring smart. If you are hurt all the time, then you aren’t earning your wage. Nope, don’t be the Browns

  74. A guaranteed contract for this type of guy will do nothing but ensure he’ll be on IR before the end of preseason, every year. This isn’t baseball, you HAVE to play with ouchies and boo-boo’s, so few games and they’re all super important.

  75. Or maybe the other teams realize what LJ is. A running QB with a history of injuries that hasn’t won a playoff game ever.

  76. Just like all the great running QB’s Lamar will become more hobbled and less mobile, thus a bigger target. His style is self-limiting. RG3like

  77. As this QB salary escalation insanity grows, there will be teams that figure out that you can win it all with Flacco, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, and maybe a Brick Purdy here and there by putting together stud o lines with a back and great defenses. There is always a pendulum that swings back and forth.

  78. How many QBs not named Watson have that type of fully guaranteed contract?

  79. If 20 drivers decide to drive the speed limit, are they in collusion to keep you from speeding? No. You need to prove they got together ahead of time to keep you from speeding.

  80. OK, so how does one distinguishing the “unprovable collusion” from the “non-existent collusion”?

  81. I think it proves the Browns are dumb.

    The Doplhins do not own a first round pick this year and hence cannot take place anyway.

  82. Of course there is collusion. Why would the owners NOT collude? If they band together now, they will save Billions of dollars in the next few years alone. Let alone 10 years from now. So yes, they would have to be dumb not to collude.

  83. 1. The Ravens couldn’t win a super bowl with Lamar Jackson at $7 million a year.

    2. How can a year win with him at $50 million per year, locked in for 5 years, AND on top of that give up two #1s?

    Tampa Bay was in good shape when Tom Brady joined. They went all in and won a super bowl. But its hard to keep that up year in year out and after a few years they are in bad shape.
    Imagine if Tampa bay was paying a QB m50MM for a couple more years? They would be hurting for a couple more years, struggling to be around .500. At least Tampa won a SB. Most teams trying that approach would not.

    What team would want that?

  84. Another angle is that there’s no incentive for any interested team to declare interest.

    Teams aren’t required to give up 2 first-rounders to get Jackson; that’s just the available way to force the issue. If they want to negotiate with the Ravens for some other kind of trade package, they can do that. But in that case, they’re going to not want to tip their hand and show interest up front.

    So it makes business sense for teams to say they’re not interested at this stage, because no one wants to pay the current asking price. It takes some leverage away from both Jackson and the Ravens and makes it more likely that one or both will be inclined to accept something less.

    I have no idea what will happen. But I’m pretty confident Jackson won’t end up with anything close to what he’s asking for. There have just been too many franchise-altering QBs coming into the league in recent years for any (non-Cleveland) team to believe they have to have Jackson at all costs. The next Jackson is around the corner.

  85. I don’t have a problem with fully guaranteed deals, certainly for QB’s, but I sure wouldn’t give one to Lamar Jackson.
    I mean, you’re a stupid GM if you sign a franchise QB and he doesn’t stay on your team for more than five years or so. Guys like Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, and even Hurts, why not guarantee them a deal? They aren’t going anywhere for ten years.

  86. We all know what’s going on? Actually, no we do not.

    Al Davis showed us that, when push comes to shove, NFL teams are individually run businesses with all the rights therein. All it takes is one owner with more money than brains to write Lamar a big guaranteed cheque. You don’t think Dan Snyder wouldn’t like to stick it to the NFL for forcing him out?

    If no other owner decides to commit salary cap suicide like Cleveland, it does not prove collusion. Nor is it collusion if a run first QB does not fit your team’s scheme.

    Being the next starting QB up for contract renewal is not an entitlement to the top of the compensation heap. I say this is someone who thinks Lamar is amazing, just not in the category of Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts or Allen.

  87. Daniel Snyder, on his way out the door…

    Hey Lamar! $250 MILLION. 100% Guaranteed!!

  88. Teams know what Lamar wants and about what the Ravens have offered. None of them want to offer that and two 1st round draft picks for a run first QB that is an inherent injury risk and requires teams to drastically change their offense.

  89. OK, let’s put this to bed once and for all. Lamar is an excellent athlete, but he is not an elite QB, he’s not even in the top 10 as far as QBs are concerned. His MVP season was 4 years ago, he now gets injured frequently, he quit on his team, he only ever threw for 3000 yards in 1 season, the good teams know how to defend him, etc. So no, it’s not collusion. Having said that, will a team make a move for him? Not likely, but never say never in the NFL. After all, multiple teams were in the hunt for Watson, Russell got his, Kyler got his, Daniel just got his, and some poor shlep of a team will pay Narcis Rodgers big $$$ – nothing is impossible in the NFL.

  90. Just as in a court of law, ” He who represents himself has a fool for a client”. No collusion, just smart business. Running back qb’s have an even shorter shelf life. i.e. Cam, Cappernick. These two went to a SB. Jackson has really not sniffed one yet. Talented as they come, but its still a “what have you done for me latley?” league

  91. I cannot believe how many blind idiots are fine with the blatant collusion going on here. How would you like it if every large organization in your field of industry all got together and decided not to even speak to you? People are so blind it really just confuses me. But let’s side with the billionaire owners! Lol gimme a break

  92. If Mahomes or Allen or Burrow were available on a non-exclusive tag, I guarantee you teams would pursue them. Lamar is not that guy, even though he thinks he is, and so teams aren’t going to give him that kind of contract. That’s not collusion. That’s common sense. Just because people agree on things doesn’t mean they didn’t independently come to that same conclusion on their own.

  93. Collusion would be if the other 31 team owners discussed Jackson privately and agreed that none of them would offer him a fully guaranteed contract, or all agreed not to negotiate with him at all. Possible, but not likely: too much risk of a leak from an owner fighting with the league office.

    The primary reason Jackson doesn’t already have a contract is Jackson’s insistence on handing his own contract negotiations. We don’t officially know just how bad the relationship between Jackson and Ravens management is, but it is getting worse with each passing day. Jackson trying to negotiate with other teams with his mother and maybe a lawyer at his side is not going to be fun – you know details will get leaked from those meetings.

    The players agreed to the salary cap and to the tag rules. If they don’t like it, try to change that with the next contact, and hold out if necessary. Ironically the players least likely to support a strike are the highest paid ones… the QBs.

  94. Watch what happens when Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert signs a fully guaranteed contract in a few weeks. Heads will explode.

  95. Check this out: i cant believe i just thoifhtof this, but this probes how dumb jimmy haslam is because all he had to do to avoid this whole mess is add a non guaranteed year to the end of watson’s deal, and then alll of this talk of collusion would have been avoided. That being said, this is collusion.

  96. no one gives a running back guaranteed money. Come on, Mike, you’ve said it a million times that QB is the most important position… you just can’t have that money tied up on IR.

  97. I would love to see Lamar come to Nashville. If we could figure out a way to get the O-Line situated, trade Tannehill, and draft a decent WR, I’d love to see a RPO with Lamar and Henry.

  98. How i is their lack of interest collusion? As I understand the rules of a non-exclusive tag, you can get the player by giving the player an offer that his own team will not match along with two first round picks. It could simply be that when asked about Jackson, each team independently determined that Jackson was not two first round picks along with more more money than what the Ravens thought he was worth.

  99. bengaljuice says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:18 pm
    That argument is ridiculous. How many playoff games did desean Watson win before he got paid? How about Matt Stafford? Derek Carr? He did win a legitimate mvp. Tha amount of Lamar Jackson vitriol is seriously gross, and I’m not a ravens fan.

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    Given that Watson was one of the most talented QBs as a thrower and a runner and won 1 playoff game with a horrendous org and had the Browns in a deadlock leverage wise it makes sense that he got paid.
    Lamar has no leverage like that and isn’t as good of a passer

  100. Watson only got that fully guaranteed deal because the Browns couldn’t afford to not sign him after giving up 3 1sts – they had all the leverage. Lamar doesn’t, and neither did Wilson or Murray

  101. I do think the owners collude on everything all the time. I would be so sad if my team signed an injured diva running back to play QB

  102. People can’t seem to separate Lamar from the issue and see collusion for what it is or they refuse to ?? I hope he gets fully gaurentee or chooses not to play. Damar Hamilton proved there are unforeseeable risks in the league, so why wouldn’t a player, a person, want to secure the bag? Not secure unless it’s guaranteed

  103. When did we start believing anything teams say at this time of the year? This doesn’t prove anything other than what we already knew, you cant believe a word that owners/GM’s say days before free agency or the draft. What good could possibly come from any of those teams announcing to the world that they are going to pursue LJ? Its not really in a teams best interest to do or say anything that could potentially create a bidding war for a player they might want to add. Maybe they are hoping that interested teams are dumb enough to believe what they’re saying and will come in with a low ball offer thinking they wont have to compete with anyone for LG and the Ravens will happily take their two 1st round picks. Even if that doesn’t happen, there’s no harm in trying…the only way that harm could possibly come is if they told everyone they planned of going after LJ. Has the league colluded to stop these massive fully guaranteed contracts? Maybe. Does teams telling the media they won’t pursue LJ prove collusion? Hell no.

  104. If injury-prone Lamar Jackson’s situation is collusion, explain not-injury prone Deshaun Watson’s situation?

    You’re looking for collusion in what amounts to common sense player evaluation.

  105. jimmyjohson2020 says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:55 pm
    So it’s collusion because teams don’t want to give this guy the richest QB contract ever, all guaranteed? Ravens know what Lamar is asking. They know no other team will offer what he’s asking for. Therefore they feel it’s an affordable risk. What team would give a ton of cap space along with 2 1st rounders? It’s a smart business decision. Not collusion just because every team knows it’s a stupid salary structure.
    ______________

    Most everyone is missing the point of how this is collusion. It has nothing to do with teams independently reaching the same conclusion. That could happen. However, the collusion comes from three different teams immediately announcing through three different outlets that they are not interested in even talking with Lamar. That reeks of coordinated talking points issued by the league office with a predetermined plan for which specific teams will talk to which specific outlets. That is your evidence of collusion.

  106. There is an expensive but onderful car at our local dealership. All of my freinds agree its a great car, but we also agree, we have indeed talked discussed i together,that any of us buying that car would be hurting ourselves because the cost is higher, and we do have other needs we have to pay for so we cant just spend that much of our resources on that or any car. So we agreed none if us will be buying it, but we did not collude to insure it does not get bought. Thats true of anything that costs too much.

  107. tyelee says:
    March 7, 2023 at 9:00 pm
    I hope all 31 teams decide this is a perfect time to make an example that playing in the NFL is a privilege NOT their right!
    ________________

    Please explain how it is a privilege to play in the NFL. Does playing bestow some type of honor upon a person? Is the NFL some type of secret society that one has to be initiated into?

    Are you privileged by your employer giving you a job? Or is your employer privileged by you working for them? The answer neither of course. Employment is merely a function of economics, no privileges are involved.

  108. I am not a fan of quarterbacks that rely so heavily on athleticism. They’re fun to watch, for sure, but they also come with a short shelf life. Mike Vick and Cam Newton are two examples of players who had their careers shortened because of their style of play. Now we’re starting to see the same happen to Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott. I don’t blame the teams for not wanting to give what Jackson is said to want, but without tampering how can they know for sure what it is? Jackson is under contract with Baltimore still. That’s where the thought of collusion comes up, because even if the teams are using common sense, for them to not even hear what he wants once free agency starts doesn’t make a lot of sense. I mean, let’s just say that the situation has become so sour between jackson and Baltimore that he decides he will take less to leave the Ravens. The Panthers, Dolphins, and Falcons don’t even want to hear out what could be done? Panthers seem to be just a quarterback away from possibly contending in the playoffs. Their window is open now, so why not go all in? I’m not even a fan of Jackson, but if I were a Panthers fan I’d at the very st want to hear what he had to say.

  109. If you are going to have a salary cap that is virtually paid for by TV contracts…
    You may as well structure the cap so that no player can use Over 20% of it. The QB market is out of Control…

    Wait till Joey Burrow gets his deal. It’s going to be ludicrous beyond belief.

  110. Cleveland makes a bad decision so now every other team has to follow suit?

    That’s not the way the world works.

  111. He should hire an agent since that would give him info for his attorney. Not talking to a player because you assume he wants fully guaranteed is asinine at the least. If it all comes back to Baltimore at 32M, he will sit for what league rules allow. It goes both ways.

  112. Look at all the $$millions he just lost because he’s convinced he doesn’t need an agent. HIRE AN AGENT LAMAR, negotiate the percentage and you’ll be set for life.

  113. Besides the bad rule about having to deposit all the money for guarantees, maybe teams aren’t willing to go 5-$230 on an injury prone QB and he’s made it clear he won’t accept a buck less? That would probably wipe out the other teams that might look at a QB. Saying similar to the Dolphins that you will explore everything doesn’t mean you have $46+ a year laying around to explore the new QB. How many teams do? His list of suitors will be extremely small due to his demands and the real issue will be whether he can really pass up $32 mil for a year or at whatever larger # the Ravens have guaranteed on a multi-year deal because no one else will offer as much (that’s not collusion, that’s just the size of the pie calling)

  114. Weren’t the Washington and Dallas situations in the “uncapped” year simple matters of them throwing a bunch of bonus money at players and then not applying the rules that were in place regarding how those bonuses were included for cap purposes (signing bonues prorated over length of contract, etc.)?

  115. Wouldn’t be because Lamar hasn’t played a full season in what 2 or 3 years , who wants to risk a full guarantee contract with a player that runs a lot and gets banged up , heck yeah I’m giving the fully guaranteed money to the QB that can sit in the pocket and shread a defense only running when NEED BE !

  116. Unfortunately this is what happens when you have your Mom negotiate a multi million dollar deal with a multi billion dollar corporation

  117. So it’s collusion that teams might have decided they can build a team without giving up 2 first round picks and 250 million guaranteed to a running QB who sat out the playoffs?

    How dumb of teams not to jump at that chance to sink their franchise for half a decade.

  118. If I were making the personnel decisions for a team, I would be hard pressed to give Jackson a hard look. I would want a QB that can play QB. Take away his running and he won’t win you many games. Could it be that the Dolphins and Falcons and others considered him in their own offices and decided that he’s not a good enough QB to be worth two #1s. There is no collusion to not sign him, just workplace reality.

  119. As much of a ratings draw he is, he hasn’t proven he can run a conventional offense. The offense the Ravens run, they run because coming out of college Jackson wasn’t able to read defenses or throw the ball into tight windows but he was the fastest man on the field.

    You act as if anybody can add him to a traditional offense and he’ll throw for 3500+ yards FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER. His best skill, his running, is causing him to get injured more and more as happens to older players.

    Unless a team wants to run Baltimore’s offense, what’s the point? And running that defense is causing Jackson to break down.

  120. I think Lamar and his mpm are about to learn that a good agent does more than charge them a fee.

  121. So I’m waiting for the announcement of five teams that are not interested at all in speaking to Saquon Barkley. That makes sense doesn’t it?

  122. rockczar says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:14 pm
    Guaranteed contracts with a salary cap will cripple many franchises. It’s not collusion, it’s smart business. Just because the Browns are idiots doesn’t mean the rest of the franchises need to be idiots.
    *******************************************
    So because the Browns CAN afford to do this it automatically makes them idiots!?! I’ll answer my rhetorical question; NOPE.

  123. Ok so then there is ‘collusion’ on every episode of Shark Tank. There is ‘collusion’ when NFL free agent players refuse to go to certain cities/teams due to certain field, stadium, facilities, or political issues.

  124. 1 guy jumps off a building while 31 other guys see it happen and see the results on the figurative sidewalk. It isn’t collusion that the 31 other guys don’t also jump off a building.

  125. It seems plausible to me that – EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE THINKS CLEVELAND HURT THEMSELES WITH THAT CONTRACT.

  126. It couldn’t possibly be because, after the Deshaun Watson train wreck and Kirk Cousins’ perpetual mediocrity, no team wants to give another fully guaranteed nine figure contract to an undersized injury-prone running QB who has yet even play a full season, and is coming off a severe knee injury that ended his season. Nah, couldn’t be that at all.

    Come on, Florio.

  127. Stop it already… there is NO collusion against Jackson, he simply isn’t worth the $$$ or the guarantee he is looking for. IF he WAS…. a team would snatch him up. These owners would sell their kids for a Lombardi

  128. Would you leave the dolphins alone already no one in their right mind shiuld be paying a passing running back that kinda money

  129. Everything is a Conspiracy. Or MAYBE, just maybe, a team didn’t handle the situation very well with a player who had unrealistic expectations? Naaaah, gotta be a Conspiracy.

  130. There is collusion here. How is an MVP qb in his physical prime not under contract after his FIFTH year in the league?

  131. To call it unproveable at this time is a foolish move no competent lawyer would say. Tampering is also usually unproveable but that doesn’t mean there aren’t cases with paper trails that get proven. To state matter of factly about facts you don’t know is a bad but normal look here.

  132. Wafflestomp says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:23 pm
    C’mon, Mike, when you’re trying to prove your argument, even you should know that using the Brown’s organization as your litmus test is inherently problematic. 🤔
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    See, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. It makes no sense. Florio isn’t using the Browns as a “litmus test”. The Browns are only relevant in that Haslam forced the awful trade with Houston and gave him the awful fully-guaranteed deal.

    It seems most commenters aren’t really understanding what Florio is saying. He listed three QB-needy teams who should absolutely be at least talking to Jackson, but they’ve immediately announced that they won’t even do that. That makes no sense. Why wouldn’t they

    Part of this is what Jackson wants, and part is also how the non-exclusive tag is supposed to show a player his market value. Do any of you honestly believe that none of the other 31 teams would make Jackson an offer? That’s ridiculous.

    Jimmy Haslam is a moron who gave Watson a fully guaranteed deal because that’s the kind of stupid things he does – like making the team draft Manziel, or publicly burning bridges with the QB who helped the team recover from a 1-31 stint.

    If Jackson was a free agent, someone would sign him. If teams refuse to talk to him and make him an offer under the tag, that clearly speaks to collusion.

  133. So…it’s wrong for owners to collude together to not give guaranteed contracts. Is it okay for top players to collude together to agree to only guaranteed contracts?

  134. It’s simply good business not to invest heavily in Lamar Jackson. In a passing league, he’s merely an adequate thrower of the ball, not even close to elite; he’s been a bust in the playoffs; and, perhaps most importantly, he’s injury prone. As an aside: If Jackson doesn’t get an offer sheet and returns to the Ravens, he will sulk and brood and be a pox in the lockerroom. He will complain that $32M is an insult and will drag Baltimore down to last place in the AFC North. Perhaps someone could compose a fitting Poe-like story … As Lamar ponders, weak and weary … etc., etc.

  135. I dont believe in collusion in the NFL owners circle, these dudes would slit each other’s throats for a leg up on the other owners. There will always be a Browns to monkey wrench claims of collusion

  136. It’s like representing yourself in a murder trial and then wanting a mistrial after being found guilty.
    Too bad…

  137. It’s interesting that this site has previously identified that the Ravens built an offense around Lamar’s skillset, but during this process there’s no analysis of which teams might e set up to use Lamar well, or what teams would have the ability to re-tool to an effective Lamar offense when down 2 firsts and his salary.

    First example, Dolphins, I don’t see how Lamar’s skill set works with an offense designed around quick short throws and long bombs to Hill & Waddle? How would the Dolphins even start trying to tear down their offense plan to accommodate Lamar when they’d be without a 1st for three years (the one they lost and the two for Lamar and with Lamar and Hill eating a big chunk of the cap AND they need to fix the defense in draft and free agency.

    Maybe someone like the Cardinals has the offense set up to plug in Lamar, but could they afford him with their commitment to Kyler? could they do a trade swap Lamar for Kyler? how would that impact each teams salary cap?

    It’s all very well saying ‘how can no team want Lamar?’, show us a team that could pay Lamar and work.

  138. Or….maybe…just maybe….those teams have seen the value of getting a good QB on a rookie contract. And maybe…just maybe…those teams (especially Miami) have dealt with the consequences of having an oft-injured QB and want to avoid repeating that situation if possible and don’t want to devote a huge chunk of their salary cap to such a risk. Maybe.

  139. The Ravens couldn’t win a super bowl with Lamar Jackson when he was playing on his cheap rookie deal
    How can they win if they are paying him 50 million?

    How can any team win paying that for 5 years?
    Even if he declines.

  140. “certain quarterbacks,”

    What does that mean?

    Certainly not the quarterbacks that got half billion dollar contract or a 250 million fully gaurenteed contract….Im confused, please explain.

  141. I thought the deal that Cleveland made for Watson would cripple their team for years, and that it was the dumbest deal in the history of pro football.

    The reports at the time indicated that the owners felt the same way. Why should they have to repeat Cleveland’s egregious mistake?

    When Andre Dawson left the Expos for the Cubs in 1987, he played for $500,000. He signed a blank contract and said “Pay me whatever you want to pay me.” The Cubs told the other owners they had no choice but to sign him. They wanted him but yes, that WAS collusion.

    It’s only collusion if they really want to do it but agree as a group not to do it. They don’t want to give up two #1 picks and pay a fully guaranteed contract. That’s NOT collusion. That’s them saying “I think that is a stupid deal.”

    When Cleveland has no success with Watson, will it still be collusion? Or just good business sense?

  142. Can it be that the Ravens are just doing what’s best for their team? I don’t understand why more teams don’t use the non-exclusive tag for quarterbacks that they’re not 100% sold on. It’s a HUGE commitment. Yes he was an MVP. So were Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. How’d those long term contracts work out? To me that’s just smart business.

  143. The Ravens would not give him the deal he is looking for.

    So is it really a surprise that other teams may not want to give him the deal he wants AND give up 2 First Round draft picks as well?

    The Dolphins said they’d “explore all options.” Maybe they explored and realized that the contract Lamar wants and the lost draft picks won’t work for them.

    Is it collusion or common sense?

  144. brwmstr says:
    March 8, 2023 at 8:12 am
    These owners would sell their kids for a Lombardi
    _____________

    Absolutely untrue. There is not a single owner who cares about winning a championship. The owners care about money, that is all.

  145. Gibson45, the fact that 3 team immediately came out and said they are not interested in him no way points nor proves collusion, it proves certain teams have a plan at qb and are going to stick to it it also proves they don’t want to be in a qb controversy or have their qb distracted and dont want to be in the crazy bandwagon that’s coming since the nflpa us involved.next, maybe there are not a lot of teams that want to change their entire offense for Lamar? Revamping an entire offense to suit 1 player is extremely hard especially if tou have been running it with the same players for a while. Would it make sense to tell 20 guys to learn all new blocking schemes, routes, etc all for 1 person who may only be available 80% of the games, then on top of that you have to ha e a backup who can run that offense as well. Come on seriously?? And you get to do all that while being cap strapped for years and years, for what…top of the middle if the road stats, 1 playoff win in 5 yrs and 1 MVP, come on man.

  146. pbdisciple says:
    March 8, 2023 at 6:41 am
    Besides the bad rule about having to deposit all the money for guarantees….
    ____________

    First, the rule does not require that all of the guaranteed money be escrowed, but only a percentage thereof. Second, why is it a bad rule? Apparently you want the owners to be free to not honor their guarantees.

  147. It is not collusion. It is common sense and good business sense. It does not take collusion for 32 people to decide jumping out of a plane without a parachute is not a good idea. The only people who will be talking about this is the media and people who want attention for themselves. Non issue.

  148. Just because a lot (and not yet all) of teams agree on a sound business strategy does not make it collusion. 1st round draft capital is GOLD in the NFL – it’s inexpensive young talent replenishment. Fully guaranteed contracts do not exist for a reason.

  149. I wouldn’t give an undersized, often injured QB a fully guaranteed contract either. Everyone knows thats what he wants. Why would anyone give in to those demands? He knows he cannot stay healthy playing the way he does, which is why he is asking for it.

  150. I haven’t read all of the comments so I apologize if I repeat something. I tnk it has to do less with the player and more of teams know they can’t win a super bowl with QB’s making these huge contracts.

    I think the owners are beyond disgusted at Browns ownership for blowing up the QB saleries. What a Joke the new Browns have been since they came back all those top 3 picks and the best QB they drafted was Mayfield so then they go and give that Crazy Salery to a QB that’s nothing but trouble and probably will never sniff a super bowl and now the rest of the league is going to have to deal with the ramifications.

    Look at the big 3 that’s up for extensios Burrow, Hurts and Herbert. It looks like the players and teemas don’t want to be the first one to give them the extension because then the bar is set and the other 2 will probably want more. I’m sure Burrow is thinking of Watson who has never won a playoff game maybe he won 1 I’m not sure but still if he is worth 260 whatever it is guaranteed he has been to an AFC Championship game and a Super Bowl he probably figures he is worth 300. Same with Hurts.

    They need to fix the salery cap and either tie QB saleries to salery cap %’s or make a system where like only 80% of a qb’s salery counts against the cap and what doesn’t can’t exceed 25% of if their total salerygibing teams some room to oer pay a little. Also make it so the qb’s salery has to be a certain % of the total cap to be able to use that 80% cap hit. That keeps teams from getting a reward for constantly having guys like Darnold or Keenum as their starers

  151. senatorblutarski says:
    March 8, 2023 at 7:35 am
    rockczar says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:14 pm
    Guaranteed contracts with a salary cap will cripple many franchises. It’s not collusion, it’s smart business. Just because the Browns are idiots doesn’t mean the rest of the franchises need to be idiots.
    *******************************************
    So because the Browns CAN afford to do this it automatically makes them idiots!?! I’ll answer my rhetorical question; NOPE.

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    The Browns are screwed right now for years even if Watson becomes the best QB in the NFL. They are desperately trying to restructure Watson now and that will only make the next few years even worse. They also have zero draft picks to fill their roster and cannot afford any decent free agents. So just exactly how is this working out for them. Anyone who gives up two firsts and pays Lamar what he wants will be worse off for years, and they know it.

  152. Collusion? More like common sense.

    Just because the Browns did something of epically stupid proportions does not mean other teams are going to follow. Watson didn’t reset the market – the Browns drastically overpaid, every other team knows it, and they aren’t obligated to figure that aberration into their contract equations.

    Lamar can get paid a huge chunk of guaranteed money, no doubt – just not “Watson style,” which is most likely destined to be the biggest front office blunder since the Vikings sold their future to get Herschel Walker.

    I’m not saying that some QB’s aren’t worth fully guaranteed contracts along those lines – inevitably, some are or will be – but right now, unless your last name is Mahomes, you are not one of them.

  153. multiple ownership groups coming to the same conclusion based upon available facts is not collusion.

    it’s not a wild stretch of the imagination to believe that multiple teams could decide that giving 40 million gauranteed dollars a year plus two first round draft picks (minimum) to an oft-injured player with questionable play in big games is not worth it.

    Just because a notoriously poorly run organization did something similar with another QB, and were roundly criticized for it by the way, doesn’t mean that other teams not doing it is collusion.

  154. I’d trade Lamar Jackson and take chances with Tyler Huntley/drafted QB. Can do a lot with the roster if you aren’t paying QB 50 mil per guaranteed. This franchise especially knows. Example: SB win with Trent Dilfer at the helm

  155. Holy manipulated votes!

    Comments with 1500 votes right next to comments with the normal 250-or-so votes. Overwhelming consensuses in support of the billionaire owners. This all totally seems legit, carry on.

  156. Florio has recommended that since negotiations had gone on for so long that it was in Jackson’s interest to force the Ravens to tag him, and not take their best offer, because it would stand as his first tag and would benefit him down the road. I agreed with that advice because I could see no downside to it. Well it seems there is a downside. If this level of disinterest in Jackson continues it will kill his leverage.

  157. There are a lot of mentions of Watson on here, why?
    IMO he’s a despicable man, however as a QB, he is twice as good as Jackson, he can throw & run and more importantly he is not injury prone.
    From purely a footballing point of view and I mean purely footballing, the contract is not so stupid, assuming Watson can replicate his Falcons form!

  158. gibson45 says:
    March 8, 2023 at 4:15 am

    Most everyone is missing the point of how this is collusion. It has nothing to do with teams independently reaching the same conclusion. That could happen. However, the collusion comes from three different teams immediately announcing through three different outlets that they are not interested in even talking with Lamar. That reeks of coordinated talking points issued by the league office with a predetermined plan for which specific teams will talk to which specific outlets. That is your evidence of collusion.
    ——–

    EXCEPT, they didn’t “announce” anything. The teams were asked by media if they would be interested in LJ and they said no.

    I’ll bet that if the Bills, Chiefs, Jaguars, Eagles, Chargers, Bengals, Giants, Browns, and Cowboys were asked if they were interested they would also say no. I would hope that you acknowledge that a quarter of the League (and probably at least another quarter of teams like the Steelers, Bears, and Vikings) has legitimate reasons NOT to make LJ an offer. Or are you convinced that the only reason KC and Cincy haven’t rushed to dump their QBs for Jackson is a conspiracy?

    If you can accept that there is legit disinterest, how then are you able to tell the “colluders” from those who simply can’t afford or don’t want the guy at the price being mentioned?

  159. Vince Young was offensive rookie of the year with the Titans and if memory serves me correctly, he actually made a pro bowl appearance. He, like Jackson, was a running QB with superb athletic skills, but he quickly wore out his welcome in Nashville. He later was signed by the Eagles, Bills, Packers and Browns, all of whom unceremoniously showed him the door without any lovely parting gifts. Obviously Jackson is a more accomplished player than Vince was at that point in his career, and Jackson does not carry the emotional baggage that Mr. Young had, but the price for Jackson is simply too much. If Lamar Jackson had a lower price tag I guarantee you that there would be significant interest in him. The NFL will look at anyone with football skills if the price is right. Vince Young has proven that. No collusion.

  160. lawrence stacy says:
    March 8, 2023 at 10:04 am
    senatorblutarski says:
    March 8, 2023 at 7:35 am
    rockczar says:
    March 7, 2023 at 8:14 pm
    Guaranteed contracts with a salary cap will cripple many franchises. It’s not collusion, it’s smart business. Just because the Browns are idiots doesn’t mean the rest of the franchises need to be idiots.
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    So because the Browns CAN afford to do this it automatically makes them idiots!?! I’ll answer my rhetorical question; NOPE.

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    The Browns are screwed right now for years even if Watson becomes the best QB in the NFL. They are desperately trying to restructure Watson now and that will only make the next few years even worse. They also have zero draft picks to fill their roster and cannot afford any decent free agents. So just exactly how is this working out for them. Anyone who gives up two firsts and pays Lamar what he wants will be worse off for years, and they know it
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    You really have no idea what your talking about. It’s about the cap hit, not the guaranteed money. You can have a high amount of guaranteed money but still have a low cap hit(as Watson did last year). Also as has been repeated ad nauseum on here, the cap goes up tremendously every yr so if you have the best qb in the nfl(cause you foolishly said it didn’t matter) and can push the cap hit out it makes sense to do it.

  161. What’s happening is teams are stating their intentions because number one they are smart. If they want Jackson showing interest early gives him leverage for a contract that is way above his talent. Some of the teams like Miami have a guy in place they want to keep happy so they don’t want the news damaging that relationship. The problem Jackson has is he’s trying to get a QB contact that is much larger than his ability in that position, he hasn’t shown the ability to read and beat a defense,just take off running when his offense breaks down.

  162. So if a player wants a billion dollars a year and all teams refuse to pay that, it equals illegal collusion? Or, is it common sense? LJ wants a contract that teams don’t want to pay. The teams have that right.

  163. The NFL needs to provide salary cap exceptions for players resigning with their own team. So they can make more to resign costing less against the cap if they stay with their current team. Just some sore of incentive to resign where you were drafted.

  164. gibson45 says:
    March 8, 2023 at 9:40 am
    pbdisciple says:
    March 8, 2023 at 6:41 am
    Besides the bad rule about having to deposit all the money for guarantees….
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    First, the rule does not require that all of the guaranteed money be escrowed, but only a percentage thereof. Second, why is it a bad rule? Apparently you want the owners to be free to not honor their guarantees.
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    WRONG. The rule requires owners to put in escrow the dollar for dollar amount of future guaranteed money NOT a percentage.

  165. Teams making it known that they are not interested is also a way of not getting used to falsely create a market, it gives confidence to the guys on the roster and it gets the media to shut up from speculating about them.

  166. The Raiders are not going into debt and trading away the future for this guy. Nothing nefarious required.

  167. It’s been said many times but if Lamar had not made a fully guaranteed contract his line in the sand, he would’ve been signed already. No clowns, no circus. His total may have even exceeded Watson’s total but with a more reasonable 60% guaranteed.

  168. The amount of NFL boot lickers in the comments is not surprising. It seems any time there is a rift between billionaire owners and players, people can’t wait to side with the billionaires. Who ever paid a dime to see an owner play football? No one says a word when players get cut, injured or physically comprimised for the rest of their lives. CET anyone? Kaepernick? The anti labor, anti player, anti people sentiment in this country is disgusting. A bunch of wanna be, boot licking, Musk loving, class traitors. Get a clue people. This has nothing to do with playing football. It’s about keeping people down. It’s not just football. The corporations and powers that be who run things fear unions as much as China. Why? They know that if people unite the gravy train will be over. They might have to share their wealth. A fate worse than death for them. Stop kissing their behinds.

  169. bigs says:
    March 7, 2023 at 11:39 pm
    I cannot believe how many blind idiots are fine with the blatant collusion going on here. How would you like it if every large organization in your field of industry all got together and decided not to even speak to you? People are so blind it really just confuses me. But let’s side with the billionaire owners! Lol gimme a break

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    If I was out there demanding more than I was worth then every large organization in my industry would indeed not want to bother talking to me. They would not be bothering themselves to collude, they would all just say no. You are correct that I would not like it, but thats why my own salary demands are aggressive, but still fair to both sides.

  170. Southpaw says:
    March 8, 2023 at 10:28 am
    Holy manipulated votes!

    Comments with 1500 votes right next to comments with the normal 250-or-so votes. Overwhelming consensuses in support of the billionaire owners. This all totally seems legit, carry on.

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    So your point lost the election and now you are declaring fraud? We have already seen this movie.

  171. Exercising common sense is collusion, expecting high end multi-million fully guaranteed contracts without offering guaranteed services or at least highly likely availability in return is normal.
    We live in a crazy world and this situation will be very entertaining, so get your popcorn. Somebody will make a stupid decision, but right now we don‘t know yet whether it will be a franchise or a player or maybe even both.

  172. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this is a case of collusion. Also wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of teams were hesitant to guarantee that kind of money for a player whose legs are such a big part of his game and has taken such a pounding so far, and who doesn’t have an agent. I could see where the second part alone would scare teams off. For an agent, it’s business. For Lamar, it’s also emotional, and that can really muddy the waters.

  173. Didn’t his backup just go to the Pro Bowl playing in the same system? I wouldn’t give up two firsts for Jackson at his current salary. I also wouldn’t sign Kaepernick for reasons that are only performance related. Massage issues aside, DeShaun Watson is a complete QB not a one trick pony like the aforementioned…

  174. One of the worst things about the media in the internet age is the “hot take.” This is the epitome of a “hot take.” People are literally claiming “collusion” five days before teams can even begin negotiation for Jackson. If he gets not offers in the two weeks after the window opens, THEN you might be able to argue it. But now? No.

  175. bigs says:
    March 7, 2023 at 11:39 pm

    How would you like it if every large organization in your field of industry all got together and decided not to even speak to you?

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    Make ridiculous demands and you’ll get just that.

  176. If Jackson backs off a fully guaranteed contract he will get calls. No Gm is gonna pay top dollar for a fully backed contract and pay out two 1st round draft picks for a QB who cant stay on the field. Its not collusion its common sense. GM’s wanna keep their jobs also.

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