Ozzie Newsome: Ravens’ owner said Deshaun Watson’s contract created some problems

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Since the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to an unprecedented fully-guaranteed five-year, $230 million contract last year, other owners have refused to follow suit on guaranteed contracts. And Ravens Executive Vice President Ozzie Newsome is acknowledging that his team sees Watson’s contract as a stumbling block to getting things done with Lamar Jackson.

Newsome, who was the Ravens’ General Manager for 17 years before stepping back to the Executive V.P. role in 2019, said on the Bernie Kosar Show that Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti views the Watson contract as a problem.

“Every club has to do what they have to do with contracts,” Newsome said. “I don’t worry about what other people do, but our owner did say that contract did create some problems. We have to figure out if that’s going to be the norm or is that an outlier. We don’t know.”

Bisciotti and other NFL owners don’t want to see Watson’s contract become the norm, and the NFL Players Association has accused the owners of colluding to prevent fully guaranteed contracts from becoming the norm.

Jackson remains unsigned two weeks after the Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on him, and his desire for a bigger guarantee than any owner wants to pay appears to be the primary reason he hasn’t signed with either the Ravens or any other team.

124 responses to “Ozzie Newsome: Ravens’ owner said Deshaun Watson’s contract created some problems

  1. I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.

  2. Yes. If an organization wants to go out on a limb with a large guaranteed contract, let them. BUT, don’t follow suit if conditions don’t make it suitable for your organization. Jackson is a runner and has experienced injuries lately. Bad combination for a fully guaranteed contract. Let another team take that risk.

  3. This is all b.s…

    It’s collusion.. plain and simple.

    The NFL Salary cap is 224 Million…

    Each team gets over 260 million a season in the TV contract deal alone…

    I’d imagine that for most teams the TV contact alone pays for all of the Players , coaches and staff…

    They don’t wvwn have to sell tickets… thats all Gravy

  4. ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:12 am
    I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.
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    I’m a Ravens fan too. And I hope we give Jackson a 5 year $231 million fully guaranteed deal. $46 Million a year will be a bargain in 2 years and the problem has been Decosta has not drafted well since taking over. Without Jackson this is a complete rebuild.

  5. Let’s see all the negative Lamar comments in 1,2,3… Which makes no sense, whatsoever. First of all, if Lamar was no good, as you all like to portray, then there wouldn’t be all this press about him, and you wouldn’t waste your time posting. If Mac Jones were in contract talks, would there be this much news about him or would you even waste your time posting on every Mac thread? No, because he sucks. Rodgers and Jackson are dominating the football news with numerous reports in a single day because they are great players. As much as you PFT posters hate to admit it, Lamar is a top QB in this league, plain and simple. So, continue your hate, but remember why you are really posting…because deep down, you know dude got game.

  6. Let´s see how some mega-long(!)-term-extensions over the last few years worked out (just some examples, You´re invited to complete the list):

    Mahomes – worked great
    Watson – failed miserably
    Wentz from eagles: failed miserably
    Goff from rams perspective – failed
    Josh Allen – worked great
    R- Wilson – failes miserably
    Rodgers – failed (miserably?)
    Prescott – so and so
    Murray – failed miserably
    Daniel Jones – to be determined..

    So You have a quarter of a billion decision. 2 worked, 6 failed.
    Now, what do we lern from that?

  7. “That contract did cause some problems”. In other words, Ozzie is saying that Bisciotti spoke with the other owners and they all agreed not to sign players to fully guaranteed contracts. That is the very definition of collusion.

  8. ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:12 am
    I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.
    _________________

    And who do you plan to have playing quarterback while the Ravens are making those picks?

  9. Market dynamics is rarely mentioned as a factor in this standoff. The fact is the market is different now for QBs then it was for D Watson. Watson got a desperate offer with multiple teams bidding for his services. Last year only one QB went in the first round of the draft. This year 4 or 5 QBs will go in the first round and multiple free agents changed teams as starters. Next year’s QB draft looks strong. Jackson is most likely past his prime and has displayed none of the qualities needed to lead a team to a super bowl carrying a bloated salary.

  10. The moment the Deshaun Watson contract was announced, every owner said to themselves “this is a problem”. They don’t need to talk to each other, each one knows for themselves that they don’t want to do high priced/fully guaranteed contracts, because putting that much money in one player can sink your franchise.

    It’s not collusion, it’s common sense.

  11. Watson only goy that contract because of the spite Jimmy Haslam had for Baker Mayfield. His “I’ll show him” attitude was the only reason Watson got that deal.

  12. justafootballfan says:
    March 23, 2023 at 5:18 am
    Let´s see how some mega-long(!)-term-extensions over the last few years worked out (just some examples, You´re invited to complete the list):

    Mahomes – worked great
    Watson – failed miserably
    Wentz from eagles: failed miserably
    Goff from rams perspective – failed
    Josh Allen – worked great
    R- Wilson – failes miserably
    Rodgers – failed (miserably?)
    Prescott – so and so
    Murray – failed miserably
    Daniel Jones – to be determined..

    ********************

    Watson played six games, pump the breaks on saying it failed miserably. Everyone knew last season was going to be a wash.

  13. If 31 other team owners and GM’s come to the conclusion that the Watson contract is bad for business and was a mistake that’s not collusion. That’s common sense. Guess what happened here? Do you all 31 team owners and GM’s met or phoned or zoomed and said hey lets not do that or do you think it was common sense in every single case? This is an easy answer. Is it a surprise that the worst run team in the NFL came up with a stupid contract because they suck at drafting QB’s and or passing on drafting QB’s and were desperate and they had an owner with a previous history of making poor decision in non NFL companies. That’s a lot of and’s but I could have gone on and on.

  14. “That contract did cause some problems”. In other words, Ozzie is saying that Bisciotti spoke with the other owners and they all agreed not to sign players to fully guaranteed contracts. That is the very definition of collusion————–lol, not even close. try again. lmao

  15. There will never be another Ozzie Newsome in the Ravens front office. The team really misses his stead hand in day to day operations.

  16. cakesw says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:25 am

    This is all b.s…

    It’s collusion.. plain and simple.

    The NFL Salary cap is 224 Million…

    Each team gets over 260 million a season in the TV contract deal alone…

    I’d imagine that for most teams the TV contact alone pays for all of the Players , coaches and staff…

    They don’t wvwn have to sell tickets… thats all Gravy

    ———————-

    So explain to us why this requires GUARANTEEING the contract. From the looks of things, the guarantee language is the biggest sticking point, even more than the amount of dollars.

  17. with the exception of franchise QBs, fully guaranteed contracts will lead to one or two year deals, so what is today a five year deal with no guaranteed money after year two will become simply a two year deal. Thus, nothing will change, or to put it another way, sometimes things have to change so that things can remain the same.

  18. Lamar will likely get a few offers… after the draft. Why make an offer now and give up a 1st round pick in less than a month (and another next year), when you can wait less than a month and make the same offer to Lamar and give up pick one year and two years away?

  19. My guess Lamars career is over. No one is going to pay him what he wants. He dug his heels in, I can’t see him playing on the tag or lesser deal.

  20. These comments…

    It’s about “guaranteed money,” meaning if they wish to move on from a player because of consistent injuries or playing bad, they don’t have to suffer the consequences of dead cap.

  21. The Browns are clowns…Desperate teams make crappy decisions.
    The Birds don’t have to make the same dumbazz move. Action Jackson with his elite running attributes & questionable qb skills can and should be with another desperate team. A team (Wash & Indy come to mind) may pull the trigger. Just like Watson, Lamar is fools gold.

  22. The rest of the owners saw no reason to let a dimwit like Jimmy Haslam decide what “the rule” will be for QB contracts. Watson made it clear he didn’t want to play in Cleveland until Haslam – who is desperate to show he can field a winner – guaranteed every dollar. It’s too bad Lamar can’t discuss his situation with a knowledgeable, reputable, football savvy agent who can explain why this isn’t a bragging rights contest with Watson.

  23. Smart business is not collusion. Just because several business owners agree on a topic does not make it collusion. Plus, specific to Lamar, he us not worth a fully guaranteed, 5 year contract. He has played 2/3 of the last two seasons and missed late season games due to injury. Project that out and he is likely to be injured even more in the next few years, not to mention age deteriorating his skills.

  24. Lamar’s not even out there actively representing himself. He’s sitting at home waiting for the contract offers to just show up in his inbox. He is utterly clueless.

  25. gibson45 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 5:28 am

    ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:12 am
    I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.
    _________________

    And who do you plan to have playing quarterback while the Ravens are making those picks?
    __________________

    Exactly. For some reason, PFT thinks good to great QBs grow on trees. When you got one, you keep him. See the Giants. Not sure why people think picks are so valuable. Drafting is basically a crap shoot. Lamar beat Burrow and Mahomes the last time he played them. Who do you think your competition is in the AFC? You guys are nuts.

  26. Seems like when posters say something negative about Mayfield or DJones or Wentz or K Cousins,(which is very often) no one seems to notice. But poor Lamar? “Y’all know why the hate be coming there” well it’s because of race.” No it isn’t. From what I’ve seen, about 80% of the comments are negative. But I guess they all come from the same group, right?

  27. Well he is right…Overrated Deshaun Watson’s contract by the dummy Browns IS a problem…
    obviously because of the $$…but also because dummy qb’s who have inflated sense of how good they are view Watson’s contract as “the market”.

    Go win 2 SB’s then go for that kind of $$…yes I said 2

  28. The only question I have is why wasn’t Kirk Cousins’ fully guaranteed contract a problem for the rest of the league?

  29. It’s plain and simple. Jackson is a very exciting runner. And only so so as a QB. Teams are not going to be willing to shell out huge guaranteed money for a QB who won’t win you games as a QB. One read and run QBs don’t last long in the NFL. Check out his stats from last year. He is in the lower half of the league in virtually every category. That’s not what owners are going to pay for.

  30. I really like LJ as a QB and love watching him play. I’m not a Ravens fan, but I do tune in to watch Jackson, and would certainly go out of my way to watch whatever team he ends up with. However, if I was an owner, there is no way I am giving him a fully guaranteed contract. Has nothing to do with whether he is worth it, he has earned it every bit as much as any current QB aside from Mahomes and Rodgers, it has everything to do with salary cap flexibility down the road. 3 years guaranteed, should be no issue. But longer than that, there is significant risk that you will have 45-55M tied up in a QB that can’t play. As there would be with any player, even regardless of playing style.

  31. Ozzie is telling the world out loud the Ravens just aren’t going to be the first real franchise that gives out a guaranteed contract. The league is saying, “the Browns are the Browns.”

    My guess is Bisciotti and the other owners are just ain’t doing it.

    Lamar would be smart to just take a Russel Wilson type deal and be done with it. And my guess is the Ravens probably value him more than anyone else in the league.

  32. @gibson45, if you remember the Ravens have been perennial contenders with a top 3 Defense and mediocre Offense. We won a SB with Flacco in a definition career year and Trent Dilfer. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. I know the NFL is different than back then but the organization strayed away from their identity with LJ. I don’t think commiting any large guaranteed cash to a QB who looks uncomfortable in the pocket and terrible accuracy when he throws, is worth the investment.

    If we get 2x #1’s, there’s lots of QBs we can get to manage the Offense with studs on the Defense.

  33. So, we used to think teams tried to copy Bill Belichick and the Patriots. Are you trying to say everyone should be copying the Cleveland Browns? Are the Browns the new model franchise that everyone is supposed to copy? I’m not convinced well-managed teams like the Ravens, and all the success they’ve had, are suddenly going to stop doing it the way they’ve been doing it , and start modeling the Cleveland Browns. I mean, is the world changing that dramatically? I don’t believe it is.

  34. .”..his desire for a bigger guarantee than any owner wants to pay appears to be the primary reason he hasn’t signed with either the Ravens or any other team.”
    __________

    His demand for a fully guaranteed $200+ mil contract after coming off back to back seasons ending in leg injuries appears to be the primary reason he hasn’t signed with the Ravens, and any other team likely won’t want to give up two 1st round picks fmto be put in this same scenario.

    Fixed it for ya.

  35. I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.
    _________________

    And who do you plan to have playing quarterback while the Ravens are making those picks?

    _________________

    The Ravens were content trotting out Anthony Brown and Tyler Huntley out there at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Huntley held up well in the playoffs too. Baltimore was very happy with both.

    The obvious answer is also that the cash saved from Lamar can go to other positions on the field. If that translates to wins is all speculation.

  36. If we are using scales to measure blame on the Lamar contract, Lamar is more at fault. By a lot. We know about the difficulties in trying to do business, but also 11 games is a lot to miss in 2 seasons. While I like Lamar as a QB, I don’t think he measures up to the top 5 QBs. He’s still a top 10 guy, but I think there’s a gap between him and the top 5.

  37. People doing stupid things routinely creates problems for people who don’t want to do stupid things.

  38. I’m a Browns fan and I hate the Watson trade and contract. Lil Jimmy Haslam is a moron who treats the team like a Madden franchise and his poor decision making constantly destabilizes the organization and undermines whatever progress the team has made.

    Of course the other owners don’t want the Watson contract to become the norm. Teams sign players to “long-term” contracts all the time, but often those turn out to be 1-2 year deals. Which is why I don’t blame players for trying to get as much as they can. Most of these big player contracts are fake numbers, except for the first couple of years, maybe.

    And, yes, there is collusion going on, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that owners don’t want to give players fully guaranteed contracts. There is no legitimate reason why other NFL teams wouldn’t be talking to Lamar – at least to see if there’s any wiggle room in what he’s asking.

    From what I’ve seen here ever since Florio made the post about collusion is that most commenters here don’t understand what the word means.

  39. The Ravens move of non-exclusive looks better by the day for them.Best is they get two 1st rounders, next best is Lamar at the 1 year tag, worst is a long term contract for Lamar.I think the most likely is another sub-par year playing for the Ravens and he’s a free agent with Baker Mayfield money.

  40. I think the NFLPA chose the wrong QB to make the poster child for this fight. Jackson was the MVP in 2019 but has missed too many games over the last few years. I think Burrow would have been a better test case.

    On the owners side, it’s sometimes tough to tell where common business sense ends and collusion starts.

  41. Two few players taking up too much of the salary cap is ruining this league…

    Most teams can’t sustain any sort of ‘window’ for more than a handful of years without doing well in the draft. Everyone says ‘pay the man!’ But you can’t pay everybody what they think they’re worth. You have to maintain a cheap influx of talent in order to offset the several outrageous star salaries that a team must carry…

  42. In this situation the owner of the Ravens would have to put up a very large amount of cash up front as per NFL rules to guarantee the “guarantee”, as would any team that makes such a guarantee. That alone is enough to damper the interests of any team owner who is thinking about making such a large guaranteed contract – and that is not even considering that Lamar has not played a whole season the past two years due to injuries.

    As for the other teams, remember to do a deal with Lamar under the tag, they would need to (1) negotiate a contract with him, (2) guaranty the funds, (3) agree to pay two # 1s, and for the time period that the Ravens have to match – be treated as if the deal were the deal and the cap hit the cap hit (even if the Ravens match). Until then, the Ravens have to treat the tagged salary on their cap. So waiting through the initial part of free agency is preferable for other teams.

    Historically no team wants to negotiate another team’s contract. No team would want to be hamstrung on the cap pending another team’s decision. And a team that has a high draft pick would prefer to use the pick this year and have the two picks in the trade, if accomplished, be picks in future drafts because they presume they won’t be picking as high.

    Add in that Lamar has a non agent agent – so teams should not be communicating with that person and you have a perfect storm. If a team were interested, they should wait until after the draft – at a time when there picks are used and they are dealing with future picks – and a time when the Ravens would have even more difficulty matching.

  43. I swear that most of the comments on here are from bots siding with the owners. A player should be allowed to extract the highest income possible. If all of you look in the mirror and could play the game at the level Jackson does , you would want a guaranteed max just like Watson got.

  44. just because cleveland is stupid doesn’t mean other teams have to be.

    player salary should be as follows:

    fixed base pay based on position and years in the league
    + incentives based on play time, stats, etc
    + portion of team’s “bonus” pool (pool set equal for all teams) disbursed at team’s discretion

    basically, getting paid like any other job.

    if the players don’t like it, they can go play in some other league.

  45. If a player wants a fully guaranteed contract they can sign a shorter term deal. It’s that simple.

  46. It’s collusion, and Ozzie’s hands are tied because it’s not his money. If it was Ozzie’s money, he would sign Lamar in a heartbeat; Collusion.

  47. It could be collusion or it could be businessmen that see a guaranteed contract of that size is bad for their interests. Everyone has a different calibration point or pain threshold as it were. My guess is there are owners willing to sign a contract with guaranteed money, just not one of the size he is requesting.

  48. In the Watson situation, he was not a free agent and he did have a no trade clause. There were 4 teams offering the same draft picks and the same money. The guarantee is what swung the deal to one team. By contrast, there is nobody bidding for LaMar Jackson… which means there is no market demand for him. If there were, the money and guarantees would be much higher. Apples and oranges.

  49. In other news, the Owners are accused of collusion because players are asking for Fully Guaranteed contracts up to 20 years, and the Owners think this is a suspect idea. Obviously, they are colluding again.

  50. The irony of Baltimore complaining about a spiked qb market because they waited, were arrogant and irresponsble.

    2013 Flacco says hello.

  51. If you ain’t producing, why should you continue to get paid? What world is that? They need two tiers. Payrates for players who are actually bringing something to the table, and then for those who have certain injuries, a lesser non-producing payrate. And for those who stink, just move on. (Looking at you Haynesworth)

  52. The Browns are Clowns…desperate teams make bad decisions. The Birds don’t have to make the same dumb move. Jackson, with his elite running attributes & questionable qb skills should be with another desperate team…Wash & Indy come to mind. Just like Watson…Lamar is fools gold.

  53. File the collusion lawsuit and bring the proof already. Until then, the market is saying that Lamar isn’t worth what he is asking. Period.

  54. Huntley led us to the playoffs last year, let’s get a new rookie. 200MM guaranteed for Lamar Jackson doesn’t make sense over more than 3 years. Multiple firsts does.

  55. NFL owners don’t have to be in collusion to have the good sense to not wanting to enter into fully guaranteed contracts. It doesn’t take a mental giant to understand that isn’t a good idea for teams. Having common sense isn’t collusion.

  56. Been saying this from day one that Bisciotti is the hold up, and it wasn’t about a completely guaranteed deal, but keep taking Adam Schefter’s word for everything. You know. The guy who asked Bruce Allen to proofread his story before he published it. He did the same thing to Flacco. If you gave me a contract worth less than people I’m better than like Kyler Murray, I would have turned it down too.

  57. Lost in the coverage of this is that either way the players as a whole get the same amount of money. The owners dont want to do this because they could end up owing a lot of money to someone who stops being good at foorball.

    If the union was honest they would admit that allowing guaranteed contracts of more than a couple of years – would be bad for the majority of their members.

  58. When an NFL owner says something is “bad”, I’m inclined to be in favor of it.

  59. Is the problem the length of the guarantee or the funding rules? That is, would an owner be okay with a 5 year, 80M guarantee for a safety which puts a lot less in escrow? If that’s the real problem, then it may be in the player’s interests to give that up given the stability of NFL businesses.

  60. Risk of the player not living up a fully guaranteed contract is just one issue. Another major part of the equation is funding the contract. In the NFL, all guaranteed portions of contracts must be put in an escrow. That money is not able to be used for anything but payout to the contract. That’s alot of money to be sitting there if you look at the whole team and especially with a fully guaranteed QB contract. All owners or teams are not equal in wealth. MLB and the NBA do not have the escrow rule.

  61. If I were the Ravens owner I’d ban Newsome from the Ravens facilities forthwith. I would also leak to the media that Ozzie said that he did use steroids. Why doesn’t the media MAKE Newsome PROVE that this was said? Where is the evidence? Oh there is none so this is just heresay to advance a certain agenda.

  62. Huge guaranteed contracts for one player result in several players being cut and replaced with guys playing for the veterans minimum.

    They aren’t good for the league.
    They aren’t good for most players.
    A QB who has to play @48 instead of
    @55 isn’t really harmed. Yet that’s where the NFLPA is focusing it’s efforts.

  63. cakesw says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:25 am

    This is all b.s…

    It’s collusion.. plain and simple.

    The NFL Salary cap is 224 Million…
    ————–

    You should have stopped right there because this is the only number that matters. The owners can’t pay more than this to players even if they wanted to – and plenty would.

    If LJ wanted a $250 million contract without any guarantees, the Ravens would almost certainly give it to him.

    If LJ was willing to play for the veteran minimum but wanted it fully guaranteed, the Ravens would almost certainly give it to him.

    The problem is a large AND fully guaranteed contract. For a guy who has missed a significant number of games in his five years (and mostly in the last two years) you must admit that it is a big risk for a team to lock down 45-50 of that 224 – one dollar out of every five paid – to a guy who recent history has shown is likely to miss almost a quarter of the season. And what if he’s out for the year? The Ravens would have to field the entire team on 80% of what the rest of the League has available.

    I don’t see why people can’t accept that a huge guaranteed contract to a key player *who has ended up injured in 2 out of his 5 seasons* is just too big of a risk for most teams, no matter how good the guy was when he was able to play.

  64. So he just gave ammo to the collusion. Also, the comments once again disappoint me as the way fans will side with billionaire owners before millionaire employees makes no sense despite the fact that they have more in common with a millionaires than they ever will width of a billionaires

  65. bigdaddy says:
    March 23, 2023 at 7:44 am
    The only question I have is why wasn’t Kirk Cousins’ fully guaranteed contract a problem for the rest of the league?/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Answer: Cousins contracts were for a lot less money and less years. Matt Slater of the Pats got a guaranteed contract, for 1 year and $2.6MM. The issue isn’t the guaranteed, but the money and the amount of time.

  66. smarterthanmost says:
    March 23, 2023 at 8:29 am

    I swear that most of the comments on here are from bots siding with the owners. A player should be allowed to extract the highest income possible. If all of you look in the mirror and could play the game at the level Jackson does , you would want a guaranteed max just like Watson got.
    _____________________________________

    All players are currently “allowed” to recieve the hightest income possible and I’m sure every player “wants” a fully guaranteed contract. However, just because you’re allowed and want something doesn’t mean you get it. That rule applies to all facets of life. We’re all allowed to be millionaires and we all want to be millionaires but that doesn’t mean someone is obligated to make us one.

    Lamar is overplaying his hand and will play under a tag.

  67. I would not trade 2 First round picks and have to sign Lamar to some huge guaranteed contract. No thanks.

  68. Look what guaranteed contracts is doing to the NBA. There are more and more players taking “rest games” off than ever.
    It’s become a joke.

  69. Let’s see all the negative Lamar comments in 1,2,3… Which makes no sense, whatsoever. First of all, if Lamar was no good, as you all like to portray, then there wouldn’t be all this press about him, and you wouldn’t waste your time posting. If Mac Jones were in contract talks, would there be this much news about him or would you even waste your time posting on every Mac thread? No, because he sucks. Rodgers and Jackson are dominating the football news with numerous reports in a single day because they are great players. As much as you PFT posters hate to admit it, Lamar is a top QB in this league, plain and simple. So, continue your hate, but remember why you are really posting…because deep down, you know dude got game.

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    Man I totally disagree! As a Ravens hater I pray that he stays with Baltimore. He can put up gaudy numbers in the regular season but will NEVER win a Super Bowl, and that translates to a lower first round draft pick, cap issues, and no championships. Mission accomplished. Please, Baltimore! Give this man Deshaun Watson money and more!

  70. grant35 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 7:42 am
    Seems like when posters say something negative about Mayfield or DJones or Wentz or K Cousins,(which is very often) no one seems to notice. But poor Lamar? “Y’all know why the hate be coming there” well it’s because of race.” No it isn’t. From what I’ve seen, about 80% of the comments are negative. But I guess they all come from the same group, right?

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    Maybe it’s because Mayfield, Wentz. Cousins and Jones have all been bottom 10 QBS at least once over the last 2 seasons per QBR and pro football focus grades while Lamar Consistently finishes near the top in those metrics? It’s quite simple. Those guys are bad and Jackson is good. People like you make up your own facts to fit your narrative.

  71. Lamar or whoever, can claim collusion, but its a huge gamble.

    There is NO competing pro football league.

    So he’s passing on $135M of real money over the word “guaranteed.” He’s arguing over legal language. Idiotic.

    There’s a good chance he could end up persona non grata and end up out of the league and it’s all gone.

  72. The market dictates & people who have a feel for the market will often think the same & know when a deal is way overinflated compared to that market, therefore when taking into consideration LJ injury record, reckless playing style, decline in performance & an inability to step up in the big games along with an inability to negotiate or even be contactable at times, in the absence of a smoking gun, collusion would be very hard to prove. Even most every day folk will say LJ wants too much when all those factors are taken into account – & everyone seems to realise this except Lamar – & his mum!

  73. Jackson coming into this off several injury plagued seasons asking for all guaranteed money is a bit hypocritical to say the least.

  74. grant35 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 7:42 am
    Seems like when posters say something negative about Mayfield or DJones or Wentz or K Cousins,(which is very often) no one seems to notice. But poor Lamar? “Y’all know why the hate be coming there” well it’s because of race.” No it isn’t. From what I’ve seen, about 80% of the comments are negative. But I guess they all come from the same group, right?

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    Really? Every one of the players you mentioned literally suck. So, the criticism that they receive is warranted. Jackson can play and his MVP and winning record as a starting QB says that he can. Like one poster already said here, if he wasn’t good then why all of the press surrounding his contract? Aside from most people here never watching Jackson actually play other than ESPN highlights, what is the other reason for the hate? Why would a successful franchise want him back so badly if he stinks like so many here say?

  75. ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 8:49 am

    Huntley led us to the playoffs last year, let’s get a new rookie. 200MM guaranteed for Lamar Jackson doesn’t make sense over more than 3 years. Multiple firsts does
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    Huntley, seriously? Do you realize how hard it is to get a viable franchise QB? And please stop blaming the Browns. It was a bidding war for Watson. I don’t know why any Ravens fan would want to start all over again. And days of winning a SB with guys like Dilfer are over. Not sure why people love these mediocre QBs.

  76. ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 8:49 am
    Huntley led us to the playoffs last year, let’s get a new rookie. 200MM guaranteed for Lamar Jackson doesn’t make sense over more than 3 years. Multiple firsts does
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    Huntley didn’t lead us anywhere but to the worst offense since 2009. Jackson had 8 of the 10 wins. Decosta has never drafted pro bowl offensive or defensive player so what good are the 2 first round picks? This is ignorance.

  77. He’s right. When a dude under 2 dozen lawsuits gets the best contract in NFL history, other players, particularly those who are great players and ALSO great humans, will want at least the same. The Browns messed up big time setting this precedent. And to those in favour of players earning fully guaranteed contracts, I ask you this: how many of your friends and family have their salaries fully guaranteed, for multiple years, regardless of professional output? Thought so…

  78. Can any of the geniuses that are claiming collusion over what is simply a bad business decision lay out why it would actually be a great business decision? Because I have about 75 NBA and MLB examples of how guaranteed contracts are a terrible idea.

  79. Did not Lamar turn down 3 years 133 million guaranteed? 43 million a year ? My goodness whatever, I don’t feel bad Lamar at all. Dude 43 million without a playoff win. The average person is concerned about the price of eggs and Lamar is concerned that 43 million is not enough. What ever.

  80. History is a great teacher. If the Browns did it, then it is probably wise to not follow suit. The Ravens know that better than anybody.

  81. Very impressed by the Ravens to not let their franchise QB bully them. Great upper management.

  82. gibson45 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 5:25 am
    “That contract did cause some problems”. In other words, Ozzie is saying that Bisciotti spoke with the other owners and they all agreed not to sign players to fully guaranteed contracts. That is the very definition of collusion.
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    Or what Ozzie is saying is that because Watson was given such a large, fully guaranteed contract, Lamar Jackson has demanded the same thing from the Ravens which he was not demanding prior to the Watson deal. No collusion, but simply an owner acknowledging that the Watson contract caused Jason to ask for a lot more than he was prior to the contract.

  83. The owners and the league voted on the rule changes to make the NFL a QB league. The rules have been so sissyfied that teams can’t win with an 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens style defensive team anymore.

    If the owners don’t like guaranteed contracts they can blame them selves at their next meeting.

    Why should Lamar accept anything less than a guaranteed contract when “Mr. 4th Down” Kirk Cousins has one? There’s enough money in this league to pay them.
    The NFL wrote cheques for 400 million to settle the Rams relocation lawsuit rather than disclose their finances in court. They’re awash in cash and everybody knows it. Yet somehow they can’t afford to pay cheerleaders. Go figure

  84. Watson’s contract is already not “bloated” in relativity with signings that have occurred since, and will seem even less bloated as signings continue. The draft capital they gave to Houston is in line with similar trades. As far as being guaranteed, that is a real roll-of-the-dice on the Browns part – but to any extent that it is causing challenges to competitive teams signing QBs, and particularly to the Browns closest competitors (already with Jackson and potentially with Burrow but probably to a less extent), those challenges for competitors should be considered in terms of the value of Watson’s contract to the Browns.

  85. I’ll bet every other owner wishes they never approved Jimmy “The Slippery Eel” Haslam into their ranks. He’s in the same class as Snyder when it comes to business dealings, inside or outside of The League.

  86. wryly says:
    March 23, 2023 at 8:36 am
    In the Watson situation, he was not a free agent and he did have a no trade clause. There were 4 teams offering the same draft picks and the same money. The guarantee is what swung the deal to one team. By contrast, there is nobody bidding for LaMar Jackson… which means there is no market demand for him. If there were, the money and guarantees would be much higher. Apples and oranges

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    Or given the fact that Jackson has been better on and off the field, more healthy, younger, and requires less compensation the NFL Owners don’t not want the negotiations to get out of hand ever again to the point where anyone else is getting a $230 million plus fully guaranteed contract seems far more likely. Many owners can not afford such a contract and main thing about rich people is that they never want to feel like poor people even for a second.

  87. Sometimes many people just come to the same conclusion because its the obvious one. And it’s obvious that a fully guaranteed contract is only advantageous to the player.

  88. Small price to pay considering Baltimore stole the Browns in 1996 and forever ruined our beloved franchise.

  89. It’s no wonder the NFL and their owners make more than the other big sports. They have built into their business plan a way to correct their mistakes. They can cut anyone when ever they want and then tell the guy next to him he’s not getting a raise because he signed a contract and has to honor it or not play at all.

    It’s the most hypocritical and brilliant system in all of sports depending on which point of view you have.

  90. Good. It caused a problem when Baltimore stole Cleveland’s football team after years of screaming how unfair it was Indy stole their team. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of peeps.

  91. austinspencer says:
    March 23, 2023 at 10:24 am
    Very impressed by the Ravens to not let their franchise QB bully them. Great upper management

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    Great management would have gotten a contract done years ago. Now they cutting off their nose to spite their face. Instead of building around a 26 year elite QB (Per pro football focus, the ringer, and common sense) they are setting back their franchise for years.

  92. Lamar Jackson got hurt in pocket both years with a third string O-line blocking because the Ravens can’t keep the O-line healthy.

  93. thefootballjerk says:
    March 23, 2023 at 10:12 am
    Can any of the geniuses that are claiming collusion over what is simply a bad business decision lay out why it would actually be a great business decision? Because I have about 75 NBA and MLB examples of how guaranteed contracts are a terrible idea.

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    Because Jackson is an elite player at the most important position in football.
    – they win 75% of their games with him and 25% without him.
    -The $46 million per year he is asking for will be a bargain by next year.
    -The Ravens have had a top 6 Dvoa offense with Jackson on the field despite paying all of its Wide Receivers 10x less than Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams.
    -Without Jackson on the field they are 31st in Offensive DVOA and scored the fewest points per game since 2009 this season without him.

    I could give you 700 cases were fully guaranteed contracts worked out just fine in the NBA and MLB.

  94. Here’s the issue with those saying just trade him and draft another QB, we will be in the same position in another 4 or 5 years from now. The bigger issue is trying not to have these big guaranteed contracts the norm and you can’t just draft a new QB every 4 years because you aren’t going to strike gold every 4 years. Drafting QBs is not easy and you are going to have a rough patch so you might as well work this thing out with Lamar because you know what you have in him.

  95. Here’s the statistical elephant in the room: in the last twenty rooms here are the only top paid QBs to have won a Super Bowl after signing their enormous contract:

    Patrick Mahomes
    Eli Manning
    Tom Brady
    Peyton Manning

    It may no get talked about a lot here, but you have to assume that GMs keep this fact in mind when considering their own QB. Is he one above mentioned, or even the occasional fluke case of Eli Manning? They know there’s an 85% chance they’re not even going to sniff a SB once it all comes down to having to lock him up. And the ravens know as well as anyone about locking up a “championship QB” in Joe Flacco after the fact.

  96. One of the cornerstones of the NFL profitability and competition model is the ability to cut a player at any time and have limited liability going forward in terms of both real dollars and cap dollars. That is why this is being fought so hard, nothing more complicated than that.

  97. “So explain to us why this requires GUARANTEEING the contract. From the looks of things, the guarantee language is the biggest sticking point, even more than the amount of dollars.”

    They are colluding on not wanting contracts guaranteed, because that just hurts their bottom line…

    The TV Contracts ARE guaranteed… and they steadily rise for another decade.

    Owners don’t want too many players with guaranteed contracts because it just eats into their profits.

    They are colluding.

  98. mikecrabtreeschain says:
    March 23, 2023 at 10:57 am

    austinspencer says:
    March 23, 2023 at 10:24 am
    Very impressed by the Ravens to not let their franchise QB bully them. Great upper management

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    Great management would have gotten a contract done years ago. Now they cutting off their nose to spite their face. Instead of building around a 26 year elite QB (Per pro football focus, the ringer, and common sense) they are setting back their franchise for years.
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    Oh crap, we’re using the “elite” word again with a decent Ravens QB.

  99. Jackson plays great against bad teams but when you put him up against real competition he is easily shut down. Just look at his playoff performances for evidence.

  100. Watson’s contract was idiotic. The Browns are a fundamentally broken organization with institutional incompetency, and thus they’re the only team dumb enough to sign such a contract.

    I fault no one for trying to get paid what they deserve, and football players probably deserve fully-guaranteed contracts more than anyone. That said, paying a player that much money, guaranteed, is a recipe for running your team into the ground. Anyone who doubts this is free to watch what happens to the Browns. Owning a football team is a business and big guaranteed contracts are not a good business decision. This is why it makes no sense to me for people to claim that this is collusion. Any sane team owner with a shred of business sense (which is most of them, hence the reason why they became successful enough to own the team in the first place) would know better than to offer such a contract, especially in Lamar’s situation given the games he’s already missed (I’m not suggesting that he’s “injury-prone,” but simply that injury has already limited his play).

    The problem isn’t guaranteed money. The problem is that the average football career only lasts 3.3 years. Under the existing rules, it doesn’t make sense to offer anyone a 4+ year deal with big guaranteed money as you don’t know for sure whether that guy will even be there for that long, let alone be healthy enough to play every game in every season. So players who want guaranteed contracts are going to have to settle for shorter contract lengths.

    Lamar should have hired an agent. He would be signed right now. He’s already lost millions of dollars. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that whatever contract he ends up signing is going to be less than what the Ravens offered him, regardless of which team he signs with.

  101. I’ve read so much about this and the Browns already have issues with Watson’s contract. Anyone note they restructered it this off-season? A team has to be masterful at drafting to afford a $50 million plus contract on the cap, only way to be successful with that contact is to have good, cheap players. Free agents get too expensive to sign, your cap is hamstrung. So draft well or good luck.

  102. lionsfan says:
    March 23, 2023 at 10:55 am
    It’s no wonder the NFL and their owners make more than the other big sports. They have built into their business plan a way to correct their mistakes. They can cut anyone when ever they want and then tell the guy next to him he’s not getting a raise because he signed a contract and has to honor it or not play at all.

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    Blame the NFLPA. They agreed to that.

  103. And? Is Bisciotti wrong? He’s not because no other owner is clamoring all over themselves to give Jackson what he wants. Call it collusion, call it smart business, call it whatever makes you feel better, But at the end of the day, the Browns screwed up and other owners know it and they’re not going to follow suit. Especially for such a marginal talent.

  104. directdriver says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:39 am
    Of course it’s a problem. I can’t blame the owners on this one.

    Will the owners have an issue with Joe Burrow’s next contract? Bet he’ll get over 200.

    Total guaranteed money:

    1. Deshaun Watson, $230 million
    Signed: March 2022 (contract ends in 2026)

    2. Kyler Murray (ARI), $189.5 million
    3. Russell Wilson (DEN), $165 million
    4. Aaron Rodgers (GB), $150.6 million
    5. Josh Allen (BUF), $150 million

  105. ravenhawks says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:12 am
    I am a big-time Ravens fan, and I sure hope the Colts trade two 1sts for him. If we can get the 4th overall pick this year, and their 1st next year, it would be great for our team.
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    Even the Colts aren’t that stupid. Sorry, but y’all are stuck with Lamar

  106. Is there a rule that prevents teams from signing him after the draft so that they don’t have to give up their first round pick this year? Or is there something in the league language that if he’s not traded before the draft then it can just be a regular trade and doesn’t have to be two consecutive first round picks? I would love for the Patriots to draft Njigba And then after their first round pick immediately offer Lamar 200 mil guaranteed for 5 years. That would be a belichick move playing chess where the people are playing checkers! Like I said I don’t know if this can happen.

  107. THE BROWNS caused problems because Watson should have got a “PROVE IT” deal. 22+ different women filed charges against him. The Texans facilitated the behavior. The whole stinks and then he gets PAID! Browns should be paying a portion of every fully guaranteed QB deal, get after that Owners.

  108. Lamar has all the leverage here if, and only if, he is willing to sit out the full season or “hold-in” and not play at all due to the knee injury. I hope he is willing to do what it takes to take care of himself long-term. The NFL does not have his or any players’ long term interests in mind.

  109. It’s wild to me how many people think the owners don’t work together to protect their bottom line, aka how much money they gotta pay the players. People actually think it’s the NFLPA against each individual owner acting independently LOL

  110. Please Colts. You took my team away in 1984. Please take this nuisance away now. The first comment is to get Indy’s 1st this tear and 1st next year. I would take Indy’s 1st this year and a 5th this year. Jackson won’t be happy here under any contract he signs. Who knows if he’d even play. Could just fake an injury like the previous two seasons. There is nothing positive that can come from this if he returns to Baltimore. Go play with your production company and peddle your wild African dog apparel and be on your merry way. WE DON’T WANT YOU.

  111. Ozzie – where is the audio or video that PROVES your allegations! Until I hear/see something, this is all heresay and propaganda to advance a certain agenda. I side with the owner in this case and Newsome should be banned from Ravens property and events from this point forward.

  112. As I wrote above, if LJ wanted a $250 million contract without any guarantees, the Ravens would almost certainly give it to him. If LJ was willing to play for the veteran minimum but wanted it fully guaranteed, the Ravens would almost certainly give it to him. The problem is a large AND fully guaranteed contract.

    I don’t see why people can’t accept that a huge guaranteed contract to a key player *who has ended up injured in 2 out of his 5 seasons* is just too big of a risk for most teams, no matter how “elite” the guy was when he was able to play.

    Is the problem his ego? That unless he has a record-breaking deal in value, length, and guarantee he doesn’t consider himself a Real Man? The insistence on being #1 no matter how briefly is a harmful mental condition that sadly affects a great many professional athletes.

  113. I don’t blame the Raven’s owner at all. If I were him, I would do the same thing. Giving NFL players guaranteed contracts makes now sense. It’s a sport with a 100% injury rate… It’s not a matter of if, its clearly when you’re going to get injured.

    DeShaun Watson is the luckiest QB in the history of the NFL. He found the only NFL franchise DUMB enough to have given that type of guaranteed contract. The whole of the NFL owners are pissed at Cleveland. And, rightfully so.

    They’re idiots for giving Watson that type of contract. If I was Baltimore. I would wait for the second dumbest team to issue a contract of that magnitude to Jackson, and then collect my two FIRST round draft picks, and secure their future.. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out….

  114. rarson says:
    March 23, 2023 at 11:40 am
    Watson’s contract was idiotic. The Browns are a fundamentally broken organization with institutional incompetency, and thus they’re the only team dumb enough to sign such a contract.

    I fault no one for trying to get paid what they deserve, and football players probably deserve fully-guaranteed contracts more than anyone. That said, paying a player that much money, guaranteed, is a recipe for running your team into the ground. Anyone who doubts this is free to watch what happens to the Browns. Owning a football team is a business and big guaranteed contracts are not a good business decision. This is why it makes no sense to me for people to claim that this is collusion. Any sane team owner with a shred of business sense (which is most of them, hence the reason why they became successful enough to own the team in the first place) would know better than to offer such a contract, especially in Lamar’s situation given the games he’s already missed (I’m not suggesting that he’s “injury-prone,” but simply that injury has already limited his play).
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    The point that you are missing is that the owners are not interested in winning. As long as they are making money and the value of franchises keeps increasing they could not care less if their particular team wins or loses.

  115. dryzzt23 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 1:25 pm
    Ozzie – where is the audio or video that PROVES your allegations! Until I hear/see something, this is all heresay and propaganda to advance a certain agenda. I side with the owner in this case and Newsome should be banned from Ravens property and events from this point forward
    __________________________________________
    We all know your agenda. It’s posted here in black and white every single day.

    “I’m m trying to answer that when I had a reaction to it. And it’s like, ‘Damn, I wish they hadn’t guaranteed the whole contract,'” Bisciotti said Tuesday at the NFL league meetings. “I don’t know that he should’ve been the first guy to get a fully guaranteed contract. To me, that’s something that is groundbreaking, and it’ll make negotiations harder with others.”

  116. fmax724 says:
    March 23, 2023 at 12:04 pm
    directdriver says:
    March 23, 2023 at 4:39 am
    Of course it’s a problem. I can’t blame the owners on this one.

    Will the owners have an issue with Joe Burrow’s next contract? Bet he’ll get over 200.

    Total guaranteed money:

    1. Deshaun Watson, $230 million
    Signed: March 2022 (contract ends in 2026)

    2. Kyler Murray (ARI), $189.5 million
    3. Russell Wilson (DEN), $165 million
    4. Aaron Rodgers (GB), $150.6 million
    5. Josh Allen (BUF), $150 million

    _________________________________________

    The Ravens reportedly offered Jackson over $200 million guaranteed. The money is not the problem. Its the fully guaranteed contract part specifically that owners don’t want to make a trend. It will be interesting to see if Burrow or any of the others are willing to dig in for the good of their fellow players. The crazy thing is after Burrow, Hurts, Herbert Tua, and Lawrence could all sign extensions and push the top of the market past $60 million a year while the Ravens are refusing to pay 46 which is Daniel Jones range money.

  117. “The point that you are missing is that the owners are not interested in winning. As long as they are making money and the value of franchises keeps increasing they could not care less if their particular team wins or loses.”
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    YOUR owner might not be interested in winning, but that’s definitely not the mindset of ALL of them. You think Jerry Jones is happy with mediocrity? Besides, the value of the franchise is impacted by how well the organization performs.

    If the Ravens didn’t care about winning, they would have just traded Lamar away after he rejected their first big deal. Your comment makes no sense on any level.

  118. The Ravens had more than enough time to get Jackson under contract 6 months before the Watson contract. Stop using the Browns as a scapegoat and admit the real truth which is the Ravens Organization has won Super Bowls with Non-Factor or average quarterbacks so they will never pay the true market value for that position. Ever.

  119. Ironically the only GM’s complaining are the “football guys” who got GM jobs because they played and the owners liked them. They’re getting frustrated that analytical GM’s are walking into the league and making their jobs harder by actually having business backgrounds and knowing how to budget money and manipulate contracts and run teams like businesses. Ozzie is probably the worst to speak on this because he was notoriously horrible at managing the salary cap usually resulting in having to rent good teams every few years and always bargain shopping on QB’s which is how they were bad enough to be able to draft Flacco. Ravens fans who had to live through some of the worst QB talent for nearly a decade before that don’t want to hear him cry that teams are actually signing good ones and keeping them. Especially since apparently the Watson contract was so “bad” Cleveland is still able to participate in free agency no problems with room to spare because their QB is willing to work with them from year to year to make sure he has a team around him.

  120. It amazes me the fabricated speculation that Jackson situation creates. Colts are NOT going to trade for him. They are not built as a run option offense and even if they were planning to change Richardson would be a better option just due to rookie pay scale. All the other BS is smoke for clicks.

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