Patriots face longest Super Bowl odds of the Belichick era

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Bill Belichick became the coach of the Patriots in 2000. The Patriots have won six Super Bowls on his watch.

This year, Patriots have the longest odds to win the Super Bowl of any of the 24 years that Belichick has been the coach.

As noted by Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, the Patriots are 70-1 to win Super Bowl LVIII. It’s the longest odds (via SportsOddsHistory.com) for the Patriots since 1993, when New England entered the season at 100-1.

This also makes it the longest odds of owner Robert Kraft’s tenure; he bought the team in 1994.

In 2001, Belichick’s second season with the team, the preseason odds were 50-1. And, of course, they won it all that year.

In recent days, some have linked the Patriots to Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson. If they’d somehow get him, that would definitely change the odds. Of course, the odds of getting him away from the Ravens may be even longer than 70-1.

89 responses to “Patriots face longest Super Bowl odds of the Belichick era

  1. The Patriots haven’t been the same since Gronk left in 2019. We miss him.

  2. BB has losing record w/o TB including his record w/ the Browns. Bottom dweller for the foreseeable future. His record drafting quality WRs is abysmal. Offense has no juice. Pats fans need to come to grips w/ the fact that SBs are a thing of the past.

  3. Time for the Chess Master to put the pieces away and stumble into the background muttering about that damn Brady. Time for the fanboys to start spinning there I rember when tales….I bought extra popcorn. Lo

  4. Lamar Jackson would not help. Wrong style of QB for New England. Belichick, BoB, their offenses are built around more traditional QBs.

  5. BB is just hanging on to surpass Don Shula in most career wins. That is all he is coaching for.

  6. Nobody’s winning the Super Bowl unless they’re loaded throughout the roster. Belichick has assembled a team that inspires modest expectations at best. Their ceiling is a WC berth and WC Round loss.

  7. As if having Gronk would have made Newton and Jones better passers. The delusional state of Belichick fans is downright hilarious. He’s a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. Brady made his career.

  8. New England reminds me of the Denver Broncos the 2-3 seasons following Peyton Manning’s retirement. Listless,rudderless and void of true leadership. Bill Belichick is finding it difficult replacing a top 5 all-time first ballot HOF QB. Let’s be honest…Tom Brady,Peyton Manning and Drew Brees’ production and leadership are irreplaceable.

  9. Brady made Belicheat what he is. If you look at the body of work before and after Brady you see a less than .500 Coach.

  10. sidewinder49 says:
    March 26, 2023 at 7:50 am
    BB has losing record w/o TB including his record w/ the Browns. Bottom dweller for the foreseeable future. His record drafting quality WRs is abysmal. Offense has no juice. Pats fans need to come to grips w/ the fact that SBs are a thing of the past.

    4469Rate This

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    When BB is allowed to pick his own qb, he has a winning record.

    Show me a successful coach at anytime in NFL history that isn’t allowed to choose his own qb.

    He won with Matt Cassel. He won with Vinny Testaverde and made him a Pro Bowler too.

    If Garoppolo was in NE, he’s have a ring.

  11. Interesting, the last time the Patriot were at long odds to win the super bowl, at 50-1, they won the super bowl with a QB with no NFL experience who was a 6th round compensatory pick.

    It’s comical that some believe that novice QB was more key to that super bowl victory than the head coach.

    I look forward to the draft, the remainder of free agency and playing the games.

  12. Time for the fanboys to start spinning there I rember when tales….I bought extra popcorn.

    Pats are 13-4 against the steelers in the Belichick era. 2 AFCC wins against the steelers at Heinz. They even beat them in Pittsburgh last year with MJones. I remember tales? I don’t remember much about the steelers when they were relevent. I was too young in the late 70’s. 45 years ago. What is it now, 3 playoff wins in the lst 12 years for the steelers? But, I know it’s more important that the Pats lose than the steelers win. I got your popcorn right here.

  13. BB without Brady is Jeff Fisher at best.

    Brady was the reason for ALL the success, not BB.

  14. Tom Brady had zero…count ‘em…ZERO winning seasons without benefiting from elite coaching.

    GOAT? Get outta here with that garbage. I can name at least 20 who are greater.

  15. The Patriots went from being the “Patsies” to winning 6 Super Bowls in 17 years.

    It’s hard to imagine what it’s like being a fan of that team, but I doubt that there is any huge angst about having longer odds for a SB than usual. Even if they don’t make the playoffs for 20 years, they’ll have still had more success than any other team in this millennium.

  16. Thinking Super Bowl is just unrealistic. But I expect them to be much better. Looking forward to the draft. Lots of time before they get to final roster. AFC East as a whole should be a blast this year.

  17. Don’t underestimate the importance of Gronk. In 2019 and 2022 seasons without Gronk, Brady looked like Andy Dalton. Gronk was the biggest mismatch on offense in NFL history.

  18. Pats are 13-4 against the steelers in the Belichick era.
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    And that was then. Those games won’t help in the 2023 season. Nobody fears the Patriots anymore.

  19. Tom Brady is 0-8 yes you read that correctly ZERO wins in 8 tries in the playoffs against Plummer, Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehil, Dak and Stafford.

    Sorry Tommy cult but GOATs don’t have that record of futility against average competition. He ain’t no GOAT don’t bring that trash here.

  20. Without Bill Belichick HOF Head Coach Bill Parcells was Rich Kotite or Rod Rust at best.

  21. The Patriots at this point are stuck in mediocrity.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    They would be SB contender with Brady.

  22. whywerule says:
    March 26, 2023 at 2:46 pm
    Without Bill Belichick HOF Head Coach Bill Parcells was Rich Kotite or Rod Rust at best.
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    I am firmly on the side of keeping Tuna out of the Patriots HOF for reasons obvious to any real Patriots fan. With that said the man was pretty good at picking good football players to build teams up from nothing. Parcells is not a HC he is a builder.

  23. BB on the hot seat. Jonathan Kraft is itching to launch him and insisted Joe Judge be promoted to assistant HC. They’re going to let BB fail one more time, then make the move to Judge.

  24. I totally laugh at the Belichick haters. Hate is all it is. They all say the same thing it was Brady blah blah blah. Yeah so where would Walsh have been without Montana? Knoll without Bradshaw? Landry without Staubach? Dungy without Manning, Shula without Marino who btw he couldn’t even win a SB. Every great coach had a great qb, SIMPLE as that. Oh and FTR none of those coaches had to deal with the salary cap like Belichick did his whole career. Parcells never won a SB without Belichick by his side. Pats off season so far has already surpassed what they were last season and they fixed the tremendous blunder of fatty Matty calling the offense. Flash isn’t everything and this isn’t the MLB, u can’t spend your way to a SB. U may get one if u spend over the top and bring in the GOAT, but that only works for one and done. The Pats 20 year run in all likelihood will never be seen again. Even as awesome as Mahomes is, he’s still way behind in the Brady talk. I hope Rodgers does end up a Jet, the two are made for each other…ie LOSERS.

  25. Hate is all it is. They all say the same thing it was Brady blah blah blah.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Can you tell the difference between “Brady did all” and “Brady was the difference”?

  26. The Pats haven’t been but one game under .500 in 23 years and people think they are finished. Cracks me up. The third act has just begun. Ain’t nobody sending I’m sorry emails (Rams) to it’s ticket holders around here.

    If the Browns didn’t announce their move BB would have won there too. He still took them to the playoffs.

  27. Here they come. Their all checking in now. No lives.

    My life is full and your apparent tender ego is making it even better. I have been telling you arrogant fanboys the day would come…well it’s here so pull up your big boy britches and take like a man…if you can. Two out of the last three years have been losing seasons…without Brady,,,any questions?

  28. tedmurph says:
    March 26, 2023 at 12:58 pm
    Here they come. Their all checking in now. No lives.

    ———-

    Please let me know when you or tb6 don’t comment on chiefs, Steelers, ravens, dolphins, jets, or bills articles all day every day.

  29. Imagine still thinking Brady at age 46 and after a season where he proved to the world he’s NOTHING without elite coaching… that he makes any team a SB contender by himself.

    Lol. Lolol. Lol. Lolololololololol. Lolololololol. Lol. Lol. Lolololololololol

  30. Two out of the last three years have been losing seasons…without Brady,,,any questions?
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    I have a question! 🙋‍♂️ How come the Steelers haven’t won anything since Dr Rydze was on the payroll? 🤔

  31. If the Browns didn’t announce their move BB would have won there too. He still took them to the playoffs.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, the Browns became Ravens later, which became millions of light years better than they were under Belichick.

    BTW, Andy Reid without Mahomes was billions of light years better than Belichick without Brady.

  32. Lots of coaches have had first ballot HOF QB’s, but only one of them has won six super bowls. There’s no doubt about Tom Brady’s contributions, but what about Joe Montana? He was better than Brady, and those 49ers teams were far superior in talent than the Patriots. Geez, Sean Payton only won one super bowl with Drew Brees, and people are talking like Payton is the second coming. Tom Landry had a great roster and Roger Staubach. He didn’t come close to nine super bowl appearances that Belichick did. Give Belichick his due. He was able to keep the bullet train on the tracks, when any other of the great coaches would not have been able to hold it together for so many years.

  33. Lots of coaches have had first ballot HOF QB’s, but only one of them has won six super bowls.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because with the greatest QB ever, Belichick didn’t have to deal with the biggest challenge coaches and GM have to deal with under salary cap : building BOTH offense and defense.

    BTW, anyone with open eyes now know that Belichick’s defense was a PAPER TIGER that couldn’t be relied on when games are on the line.

  34. Because with the greatest QB ever, Belichick didn’t have to deal with the biggest challenge coaches
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    Belichick never coached the greatest QB ever, that guy played for the 49ers and Belichick was never a coach there. Belichick’s guy is far down the list of the greatest of all time. How far we don’t know since he cheated and covered up his cheating by smashing his cell phone. So maybe not even in the top 100 for all we know. 🙁

  35. Belichick never coached the greatest QB ever,

    +++++++

    Who cares what you think who is the GOAT ever, his team never even won a divisional title without Brady.

    I just the know that the team built by Belichick wouldn’t have won a single SB with any other QB, because the talents he put around Brady wouldn’t be enough for other QB to do what Brady did.

  36. 70 to 1…same odds as the age of BB…Pats fans are in for a long term slow slide.
    Fans should be demanding that he step aside and retire…like he said he would.
    I’m surprised Kraft doesn’t say this is is last year. Truth is that Brady made BB. TB ring should tell everyone who doubts this opinion.

  37. tedmurph says:
    March 26, 2023 at 11:42 am
    Time for the fanboys to start spinning there I rember when tales….I bought extra popcorn.

    Pats are 13-4 against the steelers in the Belichick era. 2 AFCC wins against the steelers at Heinz. They even beat them in Pittsburgh last year with MJones. I remember tales? I don’t remember much about the steelers when they were relevent. I was too young in the late 70’s. 45 years ago. What is it now, 3 playoff wins in the lst 12 years for the steelers? But, I know it’s more important that the Pats lose than the steelers win. I got your popcorn right here.

    ********

    Allow me to make the assist here…..When the Steelers were relevant, back in the 70’s, it was because there was no free agency or salary cap, no players union, and they were able to assemble a pretty good roster and keep it in place for a number of years. However, the thing about the Steelers back then was they secretly started training camp 6 weeks early, in clear violation of the rules. Nobody was aware of this for a while because we did not have cable TV, satellite, the Internet, and the 24/7 voracious news cycle. It gave them a clear competitive advantage, as they consistently got off to better starts to the season than other teams. In addition, they were one of if not the first team to use performance enhancing drugs. They also forced players to use pain killers to stay on the field, or get cut (Shula did this too). This gave them an advantage over other teams that had to deal with injuroies, lengthy recoveries, etc later in the season. There were about 45 players participating in the illegal training scheme, and when it was discovered, they tried to hide it by conducting the training inside the stadium, with locked gates, but John Clayton (remember him?) discovered it and reported on it, which made Chuck Knoll apoplectic, calling it “espionage” by John Clayton. Imagine being so narcissistic and self entitled to claim the discovery of your cheating was actually a crime by someone else. Anyway, since it was not as high profile in the news back then as it would be today, they only lost a 3rd round draft pick upon discovery. As a matter of fact, only the Denver Broncos, Indy, and the Jets have done more cheating that the Steelers in the AFC. Again, these are just facts I am relaying here. Pittsburgh also iced down the field in strategic areas for the 1976 AFC Championship Game in Pittsburgh to negate the Raiders deep passing game during a hard cold snap, and went on to win the Super Bowl. This is similar to what Shula did in the 1983 AFC Championship vs The NYJ’s in what would be called The Mud Bowl, to negate the speed advantage the Jets had. They got away with that one though, as did Shula, but it was widely acknowledged as intentional cheating. When stacked up, the Patriots are middle of the pack on this cheating stuff, and it is felt by those in the know that the video and ball inflation issues were red herrings designed to negate the effect the Patriots run of dominance was having on the leagues precious parity narrative. The advent of the Salary Cap has eliminated the Steelers/Cowboys/Forty Niners type of dynasties where a superior roster could dominate for years on end. Now, teams can be torn down and rebuilt in short order, and players are exchanged routinely. The purpose and effect is every team has a legit shot at winning. The problem though was the Patriots. They had mastered the Salary Cap early, and combined it with excellent ownership, coaching, and player development. They also kind of lucked into drafting the Goat QB. But they created the environment for all that to happen. It may be at an end point with the coach being 70 and the Goat moving on, but if they come back strong this year, the weeping and gnashing of teeth will be quite….palpable.

  38. They had mastered the Salary Cap early, and combined it with excellent ownership, coaching, and player development.

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    There was no “mastered the salary cap”, there was no “player development” (who in last 3 seasons would be Patriots HOF?)

    The only reason it worked was because of Brady’s ability of turning cheap slot receivers into top play makers, and delivering critical punches when games were on the line and when Belichick’s defense collapsed in 4th quarters.

    Why did other teams have to spend so much resources around QB like Peyton and Rodgers and Mahomes? to deliver critical punches when games were on the line and when Belichick’s defense collapsed in 4th quarters, because their QB didn’t have the skills Brady had.

  39. The Patriots have made very good moves this year that corrected a lot of glaring weaknesses. The work is not done but what’s been done so far is very likely going to help a ton. Everyone has been focused on the lack of a true #1 receiver but there were a lot of holes in that team that have been getting quietly filled. Everyone ripping BB for what hasn’t happened yet are overlooking what has.

  40. So the Steelers started 6 week earlier? Shouldn’t that have caught up to them? No team has won any super bowls legitimately. So only the pats have 6 that count. Does that make you feel better? Whatever works for you.

  41. Everyone ripping BB for what hasn’t happened yet are overlooking what has.

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    Everyone in Boston will rip BOB IF it doesn’t work out, even if defense is ranked below average.

  42. Brady was with the Patriots in 2019 when he went one and done in the playoffs with a pick 6 to Logan Ryan. Both Brady and the Patriots have struggled since Gronk left. Belichick needs to find another Gronk.

  43. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 4:44 pm
    Lots of coaches have had first ballot HOF QB’s, but only one of them has won six super bowls.

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    Because with the greatest QB ever, Belichick didn’t have to deal with the biggest challenge coaches and GM have to deal with under salary cap : building BOTH offense and defense.

    BTW, anyone with open eyes now know that Belichick’s defense was a PAPER TIGER that couldn’t be relied on when games are on the line

    ———-

    That was shown true when BB’s defenses choked late-game leads in both SBs against the Giants and coughed up 41 points against the Eagles

  44. Brady was with the Patriots in 2019 when he went one and done in the playoffs with a pick 6 to Logan Ryan.

    ++++++++++++++

    With a 31 year old injured 5’10 slot receiver as #1 receiver who was at least double covered. I think it is a crime by a coach to give his QB such squad, like Belichick did in 2002 and 2006 seasons.

    On the other side, it is absolutely OK for you that Belichick’s defense allowed FitzMagic scoring a winning TD that cost Pats HFA. Didn’t I tell you that Belichick’s defense was a PAPER TIGER and couldn’t be relied on when game was on the line?

  45. Pats fans are just upset that the Super Bowl no longer goes through NE. Everyone says the NFL is “not for long” or a “what have you done for me lately” league. The bottom line is the Pats are just another team now. They’ve hovered around .500 since Brady left. Without another HOF QB it’s gonna be awhile until that changes. Brady also had the ability to bring in talent on the cheap, players wanted to play with him. Now they’re just like everyone else who have to pay for it. And in the case of JuJu, overpay for it.

  46. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 4:56 pm
    Belichick never coached the greatest QB ever,

    +++++++

    Who cares what you think who is the GOAT ever, his team never even won a divisional title without Brady.
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    You do that’s why you’re so triggered 😂😂😂😂

  47. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 5:58 pm
    Brady was with the Patriots in 2019 when he went one and done in the playoffs with a pick 6 to Logan Ryan.

    ++++++++++++++

    With a 31 year old injured 5’10 slot receiver as #1 receiver who was at least double covered. I think it is a crime by a coach to give his QB such squad, like Belichick did in 2002 and 2006 seasons.

    On the other side, it is absolutely OK for you that Belichick’s defense allowed FitzMagic scoring a winning TD that cost Pats HFA. Didn’t I tell you that Belichick’s defense was a PAPER TIGER and couldn’t be relied on when game was on the line
    ——
    Ah yes when the team wins its all Brady. When they lose it’s always someone else’s fault 😂😂😂😂

    The cult sure makes an awful lot of excuses for a guy who they call the greatest. I wonder why? 🤭

  48. It was all Belichick in NE. All of it. Yup.

    Pennington and Bulger had they been drafted would have led them to the same outcome. No doubt at all.

    Get mad Tommy cult! 😡 😭

  49. Ah yes when the team wins its all Brady. When they lose it’s always someone else’s fault

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    LOL, it is OK for you that Belichick’s defense routinely collapsed in 4th quarters when games were on the lines, right?

    He had two last years when Pats led 24-17 in 4th quarters. I am 99% sure you will see a couple next season. Enjoy.

  50. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    March 26, 2023 at 12:55 pm
    Don’t underestimate the importance of Gronk. In 2019 and 2022 seasons without Gronk, Brady looked like Andy Dalton. Gronk was the biggest mismatch on offense in NFL history.

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    Dude, so what? Brady went 4-1 in Super Bowls where he didn’t have Gronk.

    Peyton Manning had Harrison, Wayne
    Montana had Rice
    Most great QBs have weapons

    Why is Brady the only QB never allowed to have a weapon? Julian Edelman leads all WIDE RECEIVERS who caught a TD from Brady with 41TDs in TEN years of playing with him.

    Whether you have a preference for a different QB, that’s your choice.

    I’m picking TB12’s resume over anyone in the history of the game.

  51. In addition, they were one of if not the first team to use performance enhancing drugs.
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    And their HOF QB admitted on a national radio show the team used steroids. And steroid use as a PED was NOT legal contrary to some of the takes out there.

  52. HFA wouldn’t have helped in 2019 as Brady went one and done in the playoffs at home. It was his last home game at Gillete. That year Brady had Jakobi Myers so he didn’t have to rely on 31 year old Edelman.

    Here is why Gronk was the difference in the offense. He could pass protect, run block, he was virtually unrecoverable 1 on 1 against any DB or LB. He could line up inside or outside, make some of the toughest catches. There has never been a player like Gronk in overall versatility. The only way to limit Gronk was to take him out of the game with an injury. Brady understood the greatness of Gronk he talked him out of his retirement when he clearly was not the same player. He was valuable enough to help Brady win a ring in Tampa.

  53. GMG calling others triggered when all he does is post his nonsense about Brady on almost every article PFT puts out. Did Tom take your lunch money? Get over it…..he’s retired. Take a couple plays off. You can come back to posting the gibberish in 5 years when TB is a first ballot hall of famer.

  54. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 6:19 pm
    Ah yes when the team wins its all Brady. When they lose it’s always someone else’s fault

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, it is OK for you that Belichick’s defense routinely collapsed in 4th quarters when games were on the lines, right?

    He had two last years when Pats led 24-17 in 4th quarters. I am 99% sure you will see a couple next season. Enjoy.
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    Tom Brady finished his career with ZERO winning seasons without elite coaching. Such a fitting way for a guy who was along for the ride on each and every single one of his title wins to end his career wouldn’t you say? 🙂

  55. patsfan1983 says:
    March 26, 2023 at 6:25 pm
    GMG calling others triggered when all he does is post his nonsense about Brady on almost every article PFT puts out. Did Tom take your lunch money? Get over it…..he’s retired. Take a couple plays off. You can come back to posting the gibberish in 5 years when TB is a first ballot hall of famer.

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    No

  56. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    March 26, 2023 at 5:41 pm
    Brady was with the Patriots in 2019 when he went one and done in the playoffs with a pick 6 to Logan Ryan.
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    After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the year before.

    Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

  57. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    March 26, 2023 at 5:41 pm
    Brady was with the Patriots in 2019 when he went one and done in the playoffs with a pick 6 to Logan Ryan.
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    After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the week before. Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

  58. G00dellMustGo says:
    March 26, 2023 at 2:46 pm
    Tom Brady is 0-8 yes you read that correctly ZERO wins in 8 tries in the playoffs against Plummer, Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehil, Dak and Stafford.

    **********
    Sounds like an indictment of Belichick’s defense. Some genius.

  59. Brian Meany says:
    March 26, 2023 at 4:58 pm
    70 to 1…same odds as the age of BB…Pats fans are in for a long term slow slide.
    Fans should be demanding that he step aside and retire…like he said he would.
    —-
    If the team shows no improvement this year I expect he will step down. He might anyway either way.

  60. Tom Brady says:
    March 26, 2023 at 6:35 pm
    G00dellMustGo says:
    March 26, 2023 at 2:46 pm
    Tom Brady is 0-8 yes you read that correctly ZERO wins in 8 tries in the playoffs against Plummer, Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehil, Dak and Stafford.

    **********
    Sounds like an indictment of Belichick’s defense. Some genius.
    ——
    Losing when it matters most to Eli twice? Mark Sanchez?? JAKE PLUMMER??? Come on man.

  61. You do that’s why you’re so triggered

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You don’t know I am having fun here?

    Again, it is OK for you that Belichick’s defense routinely collapsed in 4th quarters when games were on the lines, right?

    Again, Chiefs didn’t Mahomes because their backup QB put on a 98 yd TD drive against Jags when Mahomes was injured, right?

    Fans of Belichick are just …..

  62. After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the week before. Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

    Add this to list of stupid comments, you’re blaming the lose to the Dolphins on a pick six in the second Q?
    Brady threw the go ahead TD in that game with 2 minutes left.
    The D blew that game.

  63. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 6:54 pm
    You do that’s why you’re so triggered

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You don’t know I am having fun here?

    Again, it is OK for you that Belichick’s defense routinely collapsed in 4th quarters when games were on the lines, right?

    Again, Chiefs didn’t Mahomes because their backup QB put on a 98 yd TD drive against Jags when Mahomes was injured, right?

    Fans of Belichick are just …..
    ——
    So triggered and mad 😀😂😂😂😂

  64. flash1224 says:
    March 26, 2023 at 6:56 pm
    After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the week before. Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

    Add this to list of stupid comments, you’re blaming the lose to the Dolphins on a pick six in the second Q?
    Brady threw the go ahead TD in that game with 2 minutes left.
    The D blew that game.
    ——
    88 rating 55 comp % and one pick 6 to Deion Sanders I mean Eric Rowe that cost them the game. Yeah the Qb gets no credit whatsoever for anything that day. Too bad the Patriots didn’t have a good QB that season or at least one that wasn’t already talking to the Dolphins behind the team’s back they might have done better…

  65. After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the week before. Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

    Meaningless stats thrown out, AGAIN…

    When the offense walked off the field were they WINNING?
    Answer, YES.

    Did the Defense then allow Fitzpatrick to go 80 yards and throw the game winning TD? Answer, Yes.

  66. Shula without Marino won two Super Bowls.
    And he took David Woodley to another.

    Shula has the distinction of having coached five different quarterbacks to Super Bowl appearances

  67. However, the thing about the Steelers back then was they secretly started training camp 6 weeks early, in clear violation of the rules. Nobody was aware of this for a while because we did not have cable TV, satellite, the Internet, and the 24/7 voracious news cycle. It gave them a clear competitive advantage, as they consistently got off to better starts to the season than other teams.
    _____________________
    This is TB6 level insanity. You also said Tomlin was secretly booking hotel rooms in other cities a couple of months ago. Cuckoo.

  68. flash1224 says:
    March 26, 2023 at 7:14 pm
    After he single-handedly blew a first round bye with another pick 6 the week before. Funny that the Tommy cult wants us to pretend 2019 didn’t exist lol. 2022 as well since we’re still seeing the bull jive that he makes any team a Super Bowl contender right now lolololololololololol

    Meaningless stats thrown out, AGAIN…

    When the offense walked off the field were they WINNING?
    Answer, YES.

    Did the Defense then allow Fitzpatrick to go 80 yards and throw the game winning TD? Answer, Yes.

    ————

    Brady doesn’t throw a pick 6 – they win. It’s that simple.

    The loss? All on Tommy boy. He played terribly, they lost. Should surprise nobody.

  69. Pats owned the AFC East , Bucs the NFC South both with Brady at the helm. Too bad he retired.

  70. ladyjet says:
    March 26, 2023 at 7:42 pm
    Bring back the deflator!
    —-
    Ask Tommy where he went he can tell ya.

    Oh wait… it was “weight loss”. I forgot. Right. 🤭

  71. G00dellMustGo says:
    March 26, 2023 at 12:21 pm
    Tom Brady had zero…count ‘em…ZERO winning seasons without benefiting from elite coaching.

    GOAT? Get outta here with that garbage. I can name at least 20 who are greater.
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    Brady beat up this guy and stole his lunch money or GF.

    Dude, the elite coaching in 2019 resulted in 7-9 results for the Bucs. Lol. Practically the same skill positions except Gronk.

  72. The only thing I can conclude from the comments by fans of Belichick is that they believe that they never had smart kids, because the reason their kids are smart was because they had very good teachers.

  73. ztoa says:
    March 26, 2023 at 8:34 pm
    The only thing I can conclude from the comments by fans of Belichick is that they believe that they never had smart kids, because the reason their kids are smart was because they had very good teachers.

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    Its the fact that you are trying to conclude anything that gives you away.

  74. Bruce Arians never won a super bowl as a head coach prior to Brady, but this guy gets classified as an elite coach to gmg? This is why Patriots fans get mocked and laughed at.

  75. G00dellMustGo says:
    March 26, 2023 at 2:46 pm
    Tom Brady is 0-8 yes you read that correctly ZERO wins in 8 tries in the playoffs against Plummer, Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Tannehil, Dak and Stafford.

    Sorry Tommy cult but GOATs don’t have that record of futility against average competition. He ain’t no GOAT don’t bring that trash here.

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    Also 15-2 against future hall of famers Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Mahomes, Wilson, Warner, Peyton, and Big Ben.

  76. This thread is just a cavalcade of craziness. Each post more absurd than the last.

    I can’t even respond other than to say if you think Belichick and/or the Patriots won six rings only because of Tom Brady, please go back and watch SB XXXVI, XXXVII, XXXIX, or LII. That’s not to take anything away from Brady, but the Patriots sustained dominance was as much about defense, special teams, and cap management as it was about TB12.

  77. but the Patriots sustained dominance was as much about defense, special teams, and cap management as it was about TB12.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Like Pats to a Boeing plane, Brady was THE engine.

  78. BTW, don’t talk about the PAPER TIGER defense that couldn’t be relied on to win 2 playoff games and routinely collapsed in 4th quarter.

    Not saying they were not good, it is that with so much resource invested in it, lot of coaches would have done as good or better.

  79. Its the fact that you are trying to conclude anything that gives you away.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is the way Belichick fans think.

    On what bases do they still believe that Belichick had a system (or culture or version or whatever) that didn’t exist before Brady and disappeared since Brady left?

    Why do Belichick fans completely ignore the history of 4th quarter collapses by Belichick’s defense? Why is it OK for Belichick fans that Belichick didn’t insert Butler in 2nd half of SB against Eagles?

    It is funny that with Brady, Jacobi Meyers would have taken less money to play with Brady, and adding JuJu would have made Patriots SB favorite again. But fans of Belichick are still talking about how great he managed salary caps during Brady’s era. What is the thinking process of these fans?

  80. Just keep it respectable until we get the QB issue fixed. Make sure the lines are both great throughout the draft.

    If the Patriots have a shot to make the playoffs I am good. If Mac surprises that would be great, but I truly believe he’s not likely to work out.

    Without a good QB, 8 or 9 wins is about as good as they can do.

  81. bullcharger says:
    March 27, 2023 at 12:41 pm
    Just keep it respectable until we get the QB issue fixed. Make sure the lines are both great throughout the draft.

    If the Patriots have a shot to make the playoffs I am good. If Mac surprises that would be great, but I truly believe he’s not likely to work out.

    Without a good QB, 8 or 9 wins is about as good as they can do.
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    yep. Coaching matters. It still amazes me is everyone except BB knew it was a bad idea to name two unqualified people as offensive coaches. Gonna be nice to see some real NFL offensive plays called by a real NFL offensive coordinator.

    Now we can find out what we have with Mac Jones one way or the other.

  82. I will never believe that had the Patriots drafted Chad Pennington or Marc Bulger instead of Tommy they still wouldn’t have won a bunch of titles.

    They would have. Not even the tiniest doubt about it. They never needed Tommy. He ain’t all that.

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