Report: Patriots not interested in Lamar Jackson

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Based on things said and not said during the league meetings, two viable candidates emerged for Lamar Jackson.

One of them can now be scratched off the list.

The Colts and Patriots hadn’t slammed the door, unlike most if not all other potentially interested teams. Via Jeff Howe of TheAthletic.com, the Patriots are not interested.

It’s not a surprise, but it wasn’t previously known with any degree of certainty. Owner Robert Kraft said that Meek Mill texted him recently to say Jackson is interested in the Patriots. Kraft deferred the decision to coach Bill Belichick, who refused to address Jackson because he’s currently on another team. (He isn’t, technically; he’s unsigned.)

But Kraft also spoke this week about the importance of draft picks. Beyond the financial expectations for a Jackson contract, the Patriots would be unlikely to give up significant draft capital to get Jackson. Those picks become young, cheap players who can become part of the nucleus of the team.

So while Jackson is clearly better than Mac Jones, the total cost to get the 2019 MVP makes him not an option.

This presumes that the Ravens would even trade Jackson to New England. There’s a very real rivalry between the two teams that possibly would keep them from ever doing it.

Thus, for now, the options appear to be the Colts, the Ravens, or no one.

136 responses to “Report: Patriots not interested in Lamar Jackson

  1. The Patriots are already stacked at running back, no need to trade for another- especially one with that much wear and tear.

  2. Imagine that. Duh! They passed on him twice in the draft. Need not say more. BB wouldn’t give $250 mil to any player including the GOAT.

  3. A younger uninjured Jackson was definitely better than Mac Jones last year or even as a rookie. A future damaged Jackson, however, cannot be said to be better than a future Mac Jones under an offense built around Mac’s strengths, which we’re honestly going to start seeing for the first time this coming season. Sometimes you can’t let the shine of the past blind you to the future.

  4. Can’t wait to see the Vikings trade for him and mess up their franchise for the next decade. It would be exactly what one would expect of such a poorly-run team.

  5. Bill might actually win another one or two if they were though.

  6. No team other than the Ravens is interested in Lamar. Having to retool an entire offense to accommodate his limited skill set is prohibitive

  7. Other teams may be interested, but not in a fully guaranteed contract PLUS having to give up two first round picks. Top that off with teams not thrilled to have to deal with his antics and it’s going to be the Ravens or nothing for Lamar.
    The only question is whether he will pull a Leveon Bell and hold out.

  8. I’m not convinced that Lamar will be better than Mac Jones over the next 3 – 5 years, the possible duration of his next contract.
    Lamar is a great athlete, fun to watch when he takes off running. However, injuries will take a toll on Lamar and although his passing game has improved, that passing game alone won’t keep him in the upper tier of QBs once his running tails off.
    Meanwhile, after a strong rookie year Mac had an off year last year with Patricia and Judge playing OC and QB coach, but I expect a positive shift for Jones with BO’B in the picture. Jones’ ceiling isn’t known at this point but I think it’s worth exploring. Lamar’s ceiling has already been seen, 4 years ago.

  9. Incredible that nobody wants LJ. Shows you how bad that he has handled this whole process, otherwise 5-8 teams should be at least finding out whether he would be a viable fit for their team. I think what is keeping everybody off is the thought that he is demanding 230M+ fully guaranteed. Either that, or not coming back for the playoff game was a complete dealbreaker. If that is the case, he has no real options. If it is the perception of the contract, then it is time for him to publicly let everyone know what he really wants to start some kind of buzz for him. Unless he won’t take a penny less than 230 guaranteed, if that’s the case then he isn’t playing this year.

  10. LJ keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper .. seems that teams are spiriting to get away from him. there has to be something as fans we arent made aware of .. hard to feel sorry for a guy who still will get over 150 Mil when all said and done.

  11. Ravens don’t have an option where Lamar goes though.

    They can match the offer sheet Lamar signed, but if they don’t he is gone.

  12. If I’m the Raven’s, Jackson’s offer goes down every month until he signs. There clearly isn’t a market for him outside of the Raven’s so why outbid yourself. This risk of allocating more than $30M of a team’s cap to someone whose style is prone to injury, and who has been injured the last two years, is not worth it.

  13. Gee, what a shock! The media trollwork on these kinds of things is not only obsessive and unhealthy, but embarrassing. NE’s system with Bill O’Brien is no way, shape or form a fit for a Cam Newton Jr type. We’ve already seen that experiment not work.

    Trolls are underestimathing how bad Patricia was last year and how it affected the entire offensive operation in an offensive league. NE’s D is very good. The relief they’ll get from not having to win the game every week, will also be a major shift.

    The value that both O’Brien and Klemm represent to the team will be such a relief, that the offensive personnel will have the chains off and play free and easy without the baggage of last year. No more thinking, lack of confidence, etc. That alone counts for 3, maybe 4 wins. Improved Special Teams, which is bizarrely mocked, considering you can win and lose a game over it, will also contribute to the 3-4 games that were served up on a platter last year.

    The money and draft pick collateral is better spend at WR, not for an RB who is selfish and going to cost 2 1st rder and a whole boatload of cash.

    NE has a QB on a rookie deal. Why on earth would they downgrade to an inferior passing QB with better upside for millions upon millions less?

  14. LJ should just sign the damn tender, play his 7-9 games, and look forward to free agency in 2024.

  15. Any team that takes Lamar will have to run an option offense, which is the only offense that makes Jackson so dangerous. Any team that would take him would have to retool the entire offense, get new coordinators, etc. I can’t see any team doing that.

  16. Oh no. Now Lamar Jackson will be extra motivated to beat the Patriots for rejecting him.

  17. I guarantee you the Colts will not be giving up the #4 overall pick in a trade for just Lamar, much less two number 1’s. Lamar better renew his lease in Baltimore. That’s the only place he will play next season.

  18. Lamar WILL NOT be playing football this year he isn’t smart enough to take the guaranteed money that’s waiting for his signature

  19. No one should be surprised by any of this. Certainly not NFL “experts” in the media.

    You’re not just signing Lamar Jackson, you’re signing him to what could be the most guaranteed money ever, AND giving up two 1st round picks. Plus, you’re basically having to redesign your offense to fit him.

  20. Lamar needs to go to blockbuster and rent Jerry Maguire!! If Lamar was a free agent he’d be long ago signed but when you have to sign to a massive deal and give up two 1’s it’s way to expensive for guy who gets hurt a lot. Dude hire an agent… as you’re now facing the possibility of returning to your team with egg on your face for less money than most QBs make, or not playing at all next year and earning zero. An agent would have figured this out for you long ago.

  21. So it’s down to Indy and they’ve only got about $20mil in cap space soooo…..

  22. I hear sports honks claiming collusion by the owners. This is NOT what’s happening. Owners are not willing to mortgage their franchises’ future by promising guaranteed money. God forbid if Watson suffered a career ending injury early in his contract. The Browns would be toast for many years and other owners are not willing to do that risk/reward with their franchise. I can’t say
    I blame them at all.

  23. henrythehorse says:
    March 29, 2023 at 12:00 pm

    LJ keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper .. seems that teams are spiriting to get away from him. there has to be something as fans we arent made aware of .. hard to feel sorry for a guy who still will get over 150 Mil when all said and done.
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    I agree, no need to feel sorry for a millionaire. Lamar can push a button at any moment and get millions or holdout for what he desires. It’s all on him. It’s funny how teams are lining up to say pass on Lamar. This is unprecedented stuff and I’m actually enjoying the ride. But none of this matter until after the draft. Then we will really see who’s really out on Lamar. The Browns were out on Watson too.

  24. Baltimore is barely interested in him, why would any other team be? Lamar has grossly overplayed his hand. All that’s left is for the Ravens to figure out what is the max value they can get for him.

  25. Yup. Roll with Mac and preserve those draft picks so you can draft another bust WR. LOL.

  26. The value that both O’Brien and Klemm represent to the team will be such a relief, that the offensive personnel will have the chains off and play free and easy without the baggage of last year. No more thinking, lack of confidence, etc. That alone counts for 3, maybe 4 wins. Improved Special Teams, which is bizarrely mocked, considering you can win and lose a game over it, will also contribute to the 3-4 games that were served up on a platter last year.

    Is this the Excuse Du Jour….if so that’s pretty weak. Lamar is too expensive and not clutch, but come on Mac Jones is a head case also. I enjoy the Excuse of the day, but they need to improve.

  27. LJ should just sign the damn tender, play his 7-9 games, and look forward to free agency in 2024.

    +++++++++

    He can’t, he is about to slow down significantly at this age.

  28. A player can have no market because he’s asking for too much. It doesn’t have to be collusion.

  29. If Lamar Jackson would come off his high horse about a FULLY guaranteed contract, my guess is he’d have some teams interested in him. Nobody wants to pay $230M guaranteed money to a running QB who has missed games the last two seasons.

  30. The Patriots run a certain style offense and it doesn’t threaten anyone downfield. Add a QB like Macaroni and only their faithful will try to sell ya on their viability in the East.

  31. watchoutnfl says:
    March 29, 2023 at 11:58 am
    I’m not convinced that Lamar will be better than Mac Jones over the next 3 – 5 years, the possible duration of his next contract.
    Lamar is a great athlete, fun to watch when he takes off running. However, injuries will take a toll on Lamar and although his passing game has improved, that passing game alone won’t keep him in the upper tier of QBs once his running tails off.
    Meanwhile, after a strong rookie year Mac had an off year last year with Patricia and Judge playing OC and QB coach, but I expect a positive shift for Jones with BO’B in the picture. Jones’ ceiling isn’t known at this point but I think it’s worth exploring. Lamar’s ceiling has already been seen, 4 years ago.

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    I agree. Bill O’Brien = Josh McDaniels. Maybe not exactly 100%, but big picture they are the same kind of an OC in NE.

    Mac needs another WR weapon to help him out and that shoulf help boost his 2021 numbers.

    Trolls and fearful haters are doing the self-convicing concept that Mac isn’t the guy solely based off of last year’s wasted experiment with Patricia. Those kinds of people have no critical thinking skills and just want a simplified answer on a platter so they can get into their anti- Pats underoos at night under the covers to hope to sleep better for the next decade They just keep recycling the same canned rhetoric, yet forget the power of BB’s coaching.

    BB is a very dangerous GM and Coach coming off a mistake and him taking all accountability as a good leader does. Very dangerous. It’s happeend throughout the last 20 years, even with Brady going down the shotgun spread preference path from 2007-2012 and failed conf title games and postseasons.

    BB realized giving that power to Brady failed and he did something about it.

    BB answered the bell even with a player everyone just assumed was perfect and didn’t need accountability after 3 rings.

    They were wrong and will probably be wrong here, too.

  32. Pats overpaid for mediocre receivers the last few seasons without having a quarterback why not switch it up and have a quarterback and no receivers to pay !..bb is under.500% winning percentage without Brady!

  33. It is not 2019 anymore. Jackson is not the MVP he once was. He can’t stay healthy and is not a team player. Buyer beware.

  34. Lol! The proverbial “slap in the face” to Lamar & his camp! If Macaroni Jones is chosen over Lamar that’s all the rest of the league needs to know.
    Good for Belichick to stick with the kid – at least he won’t quit when he gets a boo-boo!

  35. This just proves again how stupid Cleveland is. No one is going to put up close to what they did for Watson. That bit of insanity is right up there with the Ricky Williams and Herschel Walker trades as the dumbest moves in NFL history…

  36. Not surprising. An organization which typically errs on the side of under paying players isn’t going to over pay and guarantee payment to a QB who requires a unique playbook to maximize his potential. Not to mention needing to find a similar backup player who can step in when Jackson misses time.

  37. The Real David Szwartz says:
    March 29, 2023 at 12:51 pm
    Pats overpaid for mediocre receivers the last few seasons without having a quarterback why not switch it up and have a quarterback and no receivers to pay !..bb is under.500% winning percentage without Brady!

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    LOL

    They HAD to spend the money. Even so, they were only 27th in real cash spending the last 2 years.

    Not a factor. Didn’t work last year, for obvious reasons, but it has nothing to do with 2023 and beyond. In fact, they have a lot of in house extensions to continue doing into next year and they’ll still be in a great cap postion as well.

  38. The Real David Szwartz says:
    March 29, 2023 at 12:51 pm
    Pats overpaid for mediocre receivers the last few seasons without having a quarterback why not switch it up and have a quarterback and no receivers to pay !..bb is under.500% winning percentage without Brady!

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    Well in Cleveland BB built the foundation and acquired the draft picks that became Ray Lewis and set Baltimore up for success. It’s a great story.

    Then for 20 years he had Brady in his prime. Brady helped win a lot of games that the Patriots would not have won without him. Belichick made sure they were good enough to be in every game at the other 52 positions. You can’t separate a coaches 20 best years from the players they coached, including the QB. BB improved every year in that stretch. Now he’s toward the end of his career. During that window the few times Brady was out, BB did hold down the fort. 11-5 in 2008. 3-1 in 2016. Not terrible. Now he’s again hanging around. They had chances to make the playoffs with Cam, they did make the playoffs in Mac’s first year and they had a chance to make the playoffs the last game of the season this year. Mac might not even be the guy, and BB is keeping it respectable.

    If a coach gets a guy like Brady they can win more. That’s a fact. But they still have to be good everywhere, or it’s equivalent to Stafford in Detriot. it doesn’t matter if the QB is capable of winning a Super Bowl or not if the coaching and other players aren’t any good.

  39. ….. and we’re down to one. Unless we aren’t. Then it’s zero. The guarantee he had from the Ravens doesn’t seem so bad now.

  40. LOL

    They HAD to spend the money. Even so, they were only 27th in real cash spending the last 2 years.

    Not a factor. Didn’t work last year, for obvious reasons, but it has nothing to do with 2023 and beyond. In fact, they have a lot of in house extensions to continue doing into next year and they’ll still be in a great cap postion as well

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    It hasn’t “worked out” for the Pats since Brady walked. They missed the postseason once and were completely embarrassed the one game they played

    BB better shore it up this year. Kraft is watching and he isn’t impressed

  41. Why is this such a mystery to some? He’s not that good. He wants to be paid like a QB who wins playoff games. He’s not. His reputation is centered around what he did 4 years ago.
    4 years ago was also his 2nd year in the league.
    As in: other teams had to figure out how to play against him. If a team gives in, I believe this will go down as an all time bad trade

  42. Jackson is not “Better than Mac Jones.”

    Mac was handcuffed and sabotaged last year after an extremely impressive rookie year.

    Let’s Gooooo, Mac!!

    I just wish Jakobi was still here. That was a DUMB move!

  43. LJ is wrong for NE and any other team, however people are making excuses for Mac Jones, because of last years experiment are also wrong, Mac Jones had the same deficiencies in his rookie season, the win record was slightly better, because the defence was better and won more games!
    Having said that, I suppose BB giving him another shot this season is not outrageous and understandable…..but I’m not holding my breath that he will improve 😏

  44. Gosh, considering Lamar’s weak psyche, hope it doesn’t read this site. But I bet he does…

  45. Are people in here actually saying Mac Jones is better than Lamar Jackson? Wow.

  46. Well, that’s no surprise… they would never part with the kind of money that Jackson’s looking for. I don’t know that any team will. I just hope that the Patriots do well with the draft, starting with this: if they draft a WR at 14, DON’T let Belichick make the pick.

  47. Shoulda accepted the 3 year 133M fully guaranteed from the Ravens. which honestly is an excellent deal for a guy that cant stay healthy for 17 games and hasnt won anything meaningful yet. Hes good but not near as good as he wants to be paid. way better QBs than him arent getting 5 yr 230+M fully guaranteed contracts plus for the rights to pay that 5 yr fully guaranteed contract teams other than the Ravens also have to give up two 1sts. And the media acts surprised teams arent beating down the door to do all that. He has the right to demand that contract, and owners have the right to refuse that contract. And if you already know his demands and hes not backing down why even waste your time.

  48. “Thus, for now, the options appear to be the Colts, the Ravens, or no one.”
    —————-

    No one from the Chiefs, Bengals, Chargers, Bills, or Eagles has come out and said they weren’t interested in LJ. The fact that they aren’t even being considered must be PROOF of collusion, isn’t it? Why else wouldn’t these teams be interested in the League’s most dynamic player, the 2019 NFL MVP, and a young QB with the best winning percentange in history? No matter where he goes, he’s going to make that team BETTER!

    At least that’s what I’ve heard . . .

  49. The Matt Patricia experiment was a horrendous dumpster fire that affected the entire offense. The guy tried to implement a zone-blocking scheme with an offensive line that wasn’t a zone blocking group. He implemented a bunch of “jump ball” type pass plays which was idiotic considering Mac’s strength is supposed to be quick reads and accurate throws. No one on offense bought in to what he was trying to do.

    Every single thing Patricia touched was tainted. No wonder the guys in Detroit loathed the guy.

    Parker/Thornton/Bourne/JuJu/Gesicki is not an elite group by any stretch, but if they can shore up the O-line and add another weapon (Hopkins or through the draft) they will at least have enough to know whether or not Mac is the guy or if it’s time to move on next season.

    The over/under is still 8.5 games this season, especially if Rodgers ends up in NY.

  50. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 2:18 pm
    Are people in here actually saying Mac Jones is better than Lamar Jackson? Wow

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    He has more upside, he can read a defense and is a pocket passer.

  51. Belichick made sure they were good enough to be in every game at the other 52 positions.

    +++++++

    The “make sure” wouldn’t work with any other QB. what part of it don’t you get?

    They had eady schedule in 2008 season that Jets, Dolphins and Bills won 19 of 30 non-divisional teams, plus a new QB that opponents didn’t have videos to study, Just like 2021 season with Mac jones.

  52. Is one guy really saying BB and the Browns didn’t win a playoff game vs NE in January of 1995 and BB doesn’t have 2 rings without Brady?

  53. Lamar Jackson: “I want $250 billion guaranteed, a getaway car and the letter M stricken from the English language.”

  54. outtkolsa says:
    March 29, 2023 at 1:48 pm
    Why is this such a mystery to some? He’s not that good. He wants to be paid like a QB who wins playoff games. He’s not. His reputation is centered around what he did 4 years ago.
    4 years ago was also his 2nd year in the league.
    As in: other teams had to figure out how to play against him. If a team gives in, I believe this will go down as an all time bad trade
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    Not that good? His team was 2 games up on the Bengals when he was injured. Not to mention his spanking of the Patriots with 5 total TDs while Mac left crying with 3 picks. Yeah, the Pats sure figured him out. Laughable. And Lamar most likely beat your team while you guys talk crap about him. You sound silly with your hate game.

  55. Btw, it utterly ridiculous to claim Belichick built foundation for Ravens:

    Belichick left in 1995, the browns became ravens, and stayed as basement dweller for next 3 seasons until Billick took over?

    Hi how shameless can Belichick fans be?

  56. I think the Pats learned their lesson on inaccurate, running-centered QBs with Mr. Cameron Newton. The offense miserably stalled since the timing no longer worked. Brady was a statue in the pocket, but he could hit the receiver at the moment he broke open. Newton: not so much.

  57. Any team that goes for that deal not only has to pay at minimum 200M, fully guaranteed. Then yay, cough up two firsts. Then, yippee, they completely scrap whatever offense they have. Completely. Spend a good two years putting in a brand new offense to cater to Lamar and yes his extreme talent. Very talented, very risky. That’s a heck of a lot to ask of a team. And after trying all that, Baltimore very likely matches. Collusion? Ya ok.

  58. The Chiefs are looking for a backup QB since Henne retired. Let’s make it happen. 😆

  59. Is one guy really saying BB and the Browns didn’t win a playoff game vs NE in January of 1995 and BB doesn’t have 2 rings without Brady?

    +++++++++

    Belichick always needed offense to deliver punches at critical time, from his time in Giants

    But he is a garbage on offense, so he accomplished something ONLY WHEN others were able to deliver such punches with CHEAP squad, like Parcel and Brady did.

  60. So the mediocre coach and GM will go with the mediocre/meh QB (Jones). Sounds about right.

  61. How about you make it easy and just do an article when a team is actually confirmed interested.

    Pretending teams are interested until they have are forced comment NO isn’t the way to go here.

  62. No one really believed in Lamar trade to Pats. Pats offense completely failed under Cam and that is not the offense they work with. They prefer to the extent of forcing QB to STAY in the pocket.

    Further, Pats won’t pay so much guarantee money nor would they give up draft picks when they can easily trade down and get three 7th rounders.

    It was pretty clear from the start.

  63. Bill still has a losing record with out Tom Brady. He better do something because Mac ain’t it and people are already calling him a fraud.

  64. Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

  65. touchback6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 2:33 pm
    Is one guy really saying BB and the Browns didn’t win a playoff game vs NE in January of 1995 and BB doesn’t have 2 rings without Brady?

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    BB’s two rings without Brady were not as a head coach. They are equivalent of a backup QB claiming he had 2 rings

  66. Belichick left Browns in 1995, and Browns became Ravens, and stayed as basement dweller for next 3 seasons until Billick took over.

    Somehow belichick fans believe belichick built foundation for Ravens. No wonder they believe that Chinese were the reason US could send men to the Moon.

  67. im sure even the ravens would rather have the two draft picks than keep lamar.

  68. ztoa says:
    March 29, 2023 at 2:43 pm
    Btw, it utterly ridiculous to claim Belichick built foundation for Ravens:

    Belichick left in 1995, the browns became ravens, and stayed as basement dweller for next 3 seasons until Billick took over?

    Hi how shameless can Belichick fans be?

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    He worked with Accorsi on gaining the extra pick before the move to Baltimore was announced. It was classic BB adding chips after improving his team each year. Testaverde after 2 seasons, of BB wanting him promoted over Kosar, was a Pro Bowler in 1996.

    Ozzie Newsome said he learned everything from BB as a GM once he was promoted in 2002. Kokinos learned it all from BB as well, so when Cleveland moved, they were in great shape after what BB did getting rid of dead weight and adding young blood and picks when possible. Duh.

    BB was working with Gil Brandt and Jimmy Johnson in Dallas, picking their brains on how to build in the Cap Era and sustain.

    BB absolutely set up Baltimore well. It’s factually known.

  69. Mac Jones was a Pro Bowl QB with a real OC. Those questioning his ability after last season have it wrong IMO.

  70. Grumpy Santa says:
    March 29, 2023 at 11:35 am
    A younger uninjured Jackson was definitely better than Mac Jones last year or even as a rookie. A future damaged Jackson, however, cannot be said to be better than a future Mac Jones under an offense built around Mac’s strengths, which we’re honestly going to start seeing for the first time this coming season. Sometimes you can’t let the shine of the past blind you to the future.

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    I chuckled at the idea of Mac Jones having “strengths.”

  71. TD6,

    3 seasons as basement dweller after belichick left, and belichick “set up Baltimore well”?

    What you said makes sense only to belichick fans, ok?

  72. RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

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    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes.

  73. Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games. Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow. Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes.

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    Oh yeah, and 36 in 31 for Mac Jones.

  74. Bill Belichick would not put up with the nonsense associated with Lamar Jackson. Not being able to reach him on the phone? There is no way Belichick would put up with that.

  75. No body wants to to pay out biggest contract in the league AND lose 2 first round draft picks for ~10 best QB in the league who also happens to get hurt a lot.

  76. Mac Jones is better today, yesterday it was Watson. Someone posted Watson’s stats from 2019 & 2020 to prove he was better than Lamar, conveniently leaving out last year’s abomination. And then they said Lamar’s MVP season was so long ago. It was 2019 just like the Watson stats. This is what you guys do, anything to put Lamar down. I can’t make this stuff up.

  77. Of all the teams to say no to Lamar, the patriots might be the dumbest. Considering the Patriots draft history, giving up draft picks for any proven player is a good deal.

  78. I was selling my condo for $2.4mm. Nobody made an offer. I know they were colluding.

  79. Belichick not retiring will only enhance Brady’s legacy after it is all said and done. A fourth straight season without a playoff win or division title will be the final nail in the coffin for Bill.

  80. This is another market shakeup. The WB wages have gotten so high that teams are really thinking twice now. Especially with so many college qb’s coming out. Why not stack teams with talent and find your rookie that can call out. $30mm was high not long ago. And then bring a career playoff 68 rating QB into that gets hurt slit and didn’t show for his team’s playoff game, ehhh, ya gotta really value it properly.

  81. Mac Jones has a better chance of getting to the Super Bowl than Lamar Jackson.

  82. Bisciotti was right. The money Cleveland paid to land Watson was foolish. Every starting QB out there thinks they are now worth a lot more than they really are. The ramifications are going to upset things for quite a few years. Hard to get that genie back in the bottle.

  83. touchback6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:34 pm

    Ozzie Newsome said he learned everything from BB as a GM once he was promoted in 2002. Kokinos learned it all from BB as well, so when Cleveland moved, they were in great shape after what BB did getting rid of dead weight and adding young blood and picks when possible. Duh.

    BB was working with Gil Brandt and Jimmy Johnson in Dallas, picking their brains on how to build in the Cap Era and sustain.

    BB absolutely set up Baltimore well. It’s factually known.
    ———————————————————————————————————
    So it was Bill that drafted HoFers Lewis, Ogden, Woodson… and set up the Ravens coaching staff? The Ravens became something Bill couldn’t create with the Browns before the relocation. Newsome and Kokino gave credit to BB? Nice. I guess Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels should give credit to BB for teaching them how to be a HC.

  84. Hard to feel sorry for Lamar when he would have been set for life including his mother with original contract with 130 plus guaranteed. Obvious no one seems interesting in him, maybe he needs to check out how ell it worked for Bell sitting at home.

  85. With Jackson as your QB you don’t have to pay WRs so the team can save money there but just making the playoffs is pretty much his ceiling with that style of play.

  86. So when the pats overpay someone who has no production it’s called “they had to spend the money” but for other teams it’s called a free agent bust. Got it.

  87. touchbutt6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

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    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes

    ____________________________________

    Exactly. Everything they say it made up. Every excuse they make can easily be debunked.They have unless stats like passing yards and when they get really desperate playoff record which is also easily debunked ( see Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Carr vs Garropollo contract etc).

  88. I’m not surprised hes not a polished qb he’s as raw as the day he came out of college and they passed then too.

  89. DALLAS ISPERFECT FOR LAMAR. JERRY HAS THE MONEY AND LAMAR WILL BRING JERRY A RING

  90. mikecrabtreeschain says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:20 pm
    touchbutt6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

    ————

    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes

    ____________________________________

    Exactly. Everything they say it made up. Every excuse they make can easily be debunked.They have unless stats like passing yards and when they get really desperate playoff record which is also easily debunked ( see Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Carr vs Garropollo contract etc)

    ————

    So why then aren’t teams jumping at adding him to their roster?

  91. mikecrabtreeschain says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:20 pm
    touchbutt6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

    ————

    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes

    ____________________________________

    Exactly. Everything they say it made up. Every excuse they make can easily be debunked.They have unless stats like passing yards and when they get really desperate playoff record which is also easily debunked ( see Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Carr vs Garropollo contract etc).

    //////////////

    Playoff records
    Mahomes 11-3
    Burrow 5-2
    Allen 4-4
    Jackson 1-3

    Go ahead and debunk it

  92. Bill Parcells has no rings without Bill Belichick.

    Bill Parcells has no playoff wins without Bill Belichick on his sideline.

    Belichick defeated Parcells as Browns Head Coach in playoffs.

    Bill Parcells owes his HOF bust to having the good sense to hiring Bill Belichick.

    Bill Belichick owes his HOF bust to no one except maybe his dad.

  93. I’m not even certain Mac Jones will beat out Bailey Zappe in training camp this summer. I also think the Patriots will draft a QB in later rounds to replace Hoyer.

  94. nhpats2011 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:34 pm
    mikecrabtreeschain says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:20 pm
    touchbutt6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

    ————

    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes

    ____________________________________

    Exactly. Everything they say it made up. Every excuse they make can easily be debunked.They have unless stats like passing yards and when they get really desperate playoff record which is also easily debunked ( see Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Carr vs Garropollo contract etc)

    ————

    So why then aren’t teams jumping at adding him to their roster

    _______________

    Because they are colluding against fully guaranteed contracts.

  95. isitfootballseasonyet says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:57 pm
    mikecrabtreeschain says:
    March 29, 2023 at 5:20 pm
    touchbutt6 says:
    March 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 3:14 pm
    Zero chance Belichick would ever use a QB who is so prone to turnovers. He cannot stand turnovers and Lamar is a turnover machine both with throwing and fumbling. There is zero point zero chance NE is interested.

    ————

    Since when is Jackson a turnover machine? He has 80 combined INTs and fumbles (not all lost) in 70 career games.

    Compare to 80 in 80 for Mahomes, 112 in 77 for Allen, 51 in 42 for Burrow.

    Honestly Lamar haters will just straight up make stuff up and still get upvotes

    ____________________________________

    Exactly. Everything they say it made up. Every excuse they make can easily be debunked.They have unless stats like passing yards and when they get really desperate playoff record which is also easily debunked ( see Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Carr vs Garropollo contract etc).

    //////////////

    Playoff records
    Mahomes 11-3
    Burrow 5-2
    Allen 4-4
    Jackson 1-3

    Go ahead and debunk it

    ____________________________

    Past playoff record is irrelevant based om the actions of NFL teams. How did Derek Carr with 0 playoff wins get double the money as Jimmy Garropollo with playoff wins? Why did the Rams trade a QB who had been to the Super Bowl AND a 2 first round picks for a guy in Matthew Stafford with zero playoffs wins?

  96. Lamar’s 80 turnovers do NOT debunk the fact that he’s a turnover machine. You are forgetting the simple, and absolutely essential other data point: passing yards and passing attempts per QB. Lamar and Mahomes each have 80 TOs but… let me check… one of them, I dunno, has thrown for thousands and thousands more yards. So turnovers are all relative to the number of attempts and yards gained. Lamar is a turnover machine. Mahomes is not. Are you going to try and tell me if there are two RBs who each fumbled 5 times in 17 games last year they are the same? What if one of those RBs only ran 10 times in total, and the other one ran 250 times? Are they still equal? Sorry, but you have failed basic math here. Nice try though!

  97. Lamar will sign with someone for way lass than he thinks, because the market knows what he’s worth. He’s a depreciating asset at this point. The Pats might win a game or 2 more per year with him, so he’s not worth the money.

    Belichick will lump a number of 8-10 win seasons together until he passes Don Shula for the most wins ever. Then he’ll retire. Kraft will not fire him.

    Mac Jones is an average NFL qb who’s an accurate mid-range passer with a sub-average arm. He’s pretty physically and mentally tough for his size and ability, which is how he got to NFL. No, the Patriots are not winning a Super Bowl with him.

  98. In a division with Allen, Tua, and Rodgers, Mac just ain’t it.

    Turns out, Lamar ain’t it either.

  99. patsfan4lifedynasty says:
    March 29, 2023 at 6:14 pm
    I’m not even certain Mac Jones will beat out Bailey Zappe in training camp this summer. I also think the Patriots will draft a QB in later rounds to replace Hoyer.

    ————–

    Your starting QB is currently Zach Wilson.

  100. You know there’s something really odd going on when fans are claiming to have “debunked” Lamar’s playoff performances, which by every possible metric (wins, losses, and all basic QB stats) have been atrocious. I understand that it’s tough to watch one of your favorites really make a massive mess of himself and way overplays his hand, but facts are facts and there is nothing to debate on Lamar’s performances in the playoffs. Sorry.

  101. Belichick will lump a number of 8-10 win seasons together until he passes Don Shula for the most wins ever. Then he’ll retire. Kraft will not fire him.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kraft will fire him if Pats don’t make playoff.

    That will be a sad day for me, because the longer he stays, the more he will be exposed as a garbage.

  102. it is not accurate to say that no teams are interested in Lamar Jackson…they are all not interested because of the 250 guaranteed salary that screws up their cap…teams will come out of the woodwork when he lowers his demands to a reasonable,acceptable price

  103. I’ve never seen a player that the media wants so badly to be paid. I’m guessing if he does get paid and goes out and underperforms they’ll blame the supporting cast. Or if he goes out and gets injured they’ll say “at least he got his money”. Never seen one MVP trophy from years past be used fuel. The facts are the guy has one year of 3000yds passing. He has one year of MVP level play. Mahomes and Josh Allen are out here trying to win championships when Lamar just wants to get guaranteed money. There’s something to be said for a player who wants to win. There’s also something to be said for a player who only wants money.

  104. See Lamar. Nobody is giving you that contract. You overestimated your value. Better take the Ravens deal.

  105. At the end of the day, Lamar Jackson will be a Raven period. No way would Baltimore ever think of letting him get away.

  106. it is not collusion if you are not the only one to recognize a crappy deal..remember, these owners are successful businessmen already…

  107. Reading these comments, you’d think Lamar shouldn’t even be a second stringer. Look, he won an MVP. That kind of talk is nonsense. But he’s carrying on and behaving like a child. Nobody negotiating a deal worth 9 figures likes it to be discussed on social media. Lamar dropped the ball by not hiring an agent on top of it. He’s being a fool by digging in his heels and will pay dearly for it.

  108. Most locker rooms expect and want absolute dedication.

    They will fight for that extra yard.

    Mahomes came up in spades this year.

  109. Ravens fan here. Baltimore loves their team, more than they love Lamar. If he stays with the Ravens, keeps acting like a diva and plays terribly he’ll get booed out of town. If anyone should get guaranteed money it should be Justin Tucker.

  110. Lamar Jackson seriously overvalued himself and desperately needs an agent. It is not good when a team prefers to roll with Mac Jones over you.

  111. Pats are willing to pass on him, I mean why spend all that money if you still can ‘t get beyond Allen, Mahommes, burrow Rodgers etc

  112. RunitGunit says:
    March 29, 2023 at 7:23 pm
    Lamar’s 80 turnovers do NOT debunk the fact that he’s a turnover machine. You are forgetting the simple, and absolutely essential other data point: passing yards and passing attempts per QB. Lamar and Mahomes each have 80 TOs but… let me check… one of them, I dunno, has thrown for thousands and thousands more yards. So turnovers are all relative to the number of attempts and yards gained. Lamar is a turnover machine. Mahomes is not. Are you going to try and tell me if there are two RBs who each fumbled 5 times in 17 games last year they are the same? What if one of those RBs only ran 10 times in total, and the other one ran 250 times? Are they still equal? Sorry, but you have failed basic math here. Nice try though!

    ——————-

    Ok, basic math passer, let’s look at INT rate.

    Jackson has a 2.3% INT rate for his career, Mahomes is obviously great at 1.6%, but Burrow is 2.0% and Allen is 2.3%. In other words Jackson throws about one more INT per 330 pass attempts than Burrow does. TURNOVER MACHINE!

    Why are you only considering passing attempts and yards when rushing is such a huge part of Jackson’s game? How about we look at total pass and rush attempts, plus sacks, per game.

    Jackson: 35.9/game; Mahomes: 42.6; Allen: 42.3; Burrow: 43

    That works out to one INT/fumble every 31.4 plays for Jackson; 42.6 for Mahomes; 29.1 for Allen; 35.4 for Burrow.

    So no, he’s not Mahomes, because no one is, but if he’s a turnover machine so are Burrow and Allen, not to mention other top QBs I didn’t map this out for.

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