How the Deshaun Watson contract derailed Lamar Jackson’s situation

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When the Browns gave a five-year, $230 million, fully-guaranteed contract to quarterback Deshaun Watson, they surely didn’t intend to throw a wrench in the relationship between the Ravens and quarterback Lamar Jackson.

But they did. (Browns fans regard that as a collateral benefit.)

In hindsight, why wouldn’t Watson’s deal create an issue between the Ravens and Jackson? He’s a former MVP who has accomplished far more than Watson ever has. And Jackson hasn’t been sued once for alleged sexual misconduct during massage-therapy sessions. Watson was sued more than 20 times — and most of those cases were pending when the Browns paid and traded for him.

Along the way, Watson made $10 million to not play in 2021. Then, after missing a full season, Watson got $46 million per year on a five-year deal with every dollar guaranteed at signing.

Jackson has every right to look at Watson’s contract and say, “If that’s what he’s worth, I’m worth at least that much if not more.”

Adding to the argument is the fact that the Browns also gave up three first-round picks and more in order to secure the ability to pay Jackson. The Ravens can make the financial commitment without squandering so many key draft picks. Basically, the total investment made by the Browns far exceeds the $230 million in full guarantees at signing.

Still, despite the obvious apples-to-apples comparisons between Jackson and Watson, key differences exist. Watson, after the 2020 season, made it clear that he was done with the Texans. The Texans agreed to trade him; they could have refused. Then, once the potential for a criminal prosecution went away, the Texans and Watson’s agents set up a four-team scramble (Browns, Panthers, Falcons, Saints) for Deshaun.

Whether intended or not, Watson’s agents worked the situation to perfection, eliminating the Browns after they had alienated Baker Mayfield and forcing them to do something desperate and impulsive. Watson, put simply, was in the best possible place at the best possible time.

It could have been Lamar, frankly. After a year of failed negotiations with the Ravens, he could have said, “I want out.” If the Ravens (like the Texans) had relented and made him available, the Browns or the Falcons or the Panthers or the Falcons (or maybe even the Dolphins, who wanted Tom Brady last year) would have been all over Lamar.

Whether before Watson received good news from a grand jury or right after he was traded, the time for Jackson to ask for a trade was a year ago, not now.

It all comes back to Lamar not having someone who is skilled not just at securing a contract but also at coming up with an effective strategy and implementing it. Lamar’s camp has been unable to develop a strategy. It has been unable to negotiate a deal. It has been unable to close a deal that was on the table and, in hindsight, he perhaps should have been taken.

On one hand, it’s unfortunate for Lamar. Millions of dollars he could have earned over the last two seasons are gone, and they are never coming back. On the other hand, we all have an inalienable right to screw up our own business interests. Whether he meant to or not, that’s exactly what Lamar and those advising him have done.

The sooner he understands the differences between Deshaun’s situation and his, the sooner Lamar will turn things around and get what he deserves, even if a big part of what he deserves is gone for good.

129 responses to “How the Deshaun Watson contract derailed Lamar Jackson’s situation

  1. I agree with this article, but I also think some serious collusion is going on. Bisciotti’s and the nfl’s response to the Watson contract was very telling. As proof, for those who know what I am talking about, the ELEVEN game suspension was very telling.

    Lamar needs an agent certainly, but this time the NFLPA has to follow up with a law suit.

  2. What exactly has Lamar accomplished that Watson hasn’t? Neither has had success in the playoffs. If all you point to is Lamar’s MVP then you need to dig a little deeper. Watson is the type of QB that you covet. Personal issues aside these guys are paid to play football and Watson is much better passing the football than Lamar is. Watson 3 years a a starter for Houston threw for over 4K yds twice and over 3800 the other. Lamar threw for 3100 once and that was by far his best year on a stacked roster. Lamar is the better person but he is NOT the better football player and what Watson got should have nothing to do with what Lamar gets. Lamar can’t do what Watson does.

  3. Missing one major reason though, Watson is a quarterback who can throw the ball, not a runner!

  4. I agree that Lamar should have an agent. Unfortunately most agents are lawyers. And that means most agents are disgusting human beings

  5. And that’s why management should’ve gotten ahead of it and pay him early. Just like Josh Allen got paid and Kyler Murray got paid early. Rhis is on the Ravens.

  6. If the Browns are responsible for the Ravens getting another QB then the new Ravens QB will probably be a HOFer.

  7. NFL owners are colluding against Lamar….it’s beyond obvious….now magically no one wants an mvp award winning franchise qb!

  8. He’ll get what he deserves all right. After sitting out the season some desperate team will pick him up on a one year prove-it contract for little up front with a bunch of incentives.

  9. The Devil, acting as Dehaun Watson’s agent said to the Browns: “You guarantee my client $230 million, you’ll also enjoy the benefit of seeing the hated city of Baltimore lose Lamar Jackson as a result”. The Browns then looked up at the Devil with a sinister grin and replied “It’s a deal”.

  10. Well the Browns won’t win anything with Watson. I look at it this way, if a QB needy team uses a first to draft a QB that’s one number one for an unproven player so they may as well spend one more and get a guy who is a top ten QB. I said it before the money they are paying QB’s right now will be nothing compared to what they will be paying in 3-4 years. So pay Lamar get him some receivers and you have a chance at making a run for the SB. I know it won’t sit well with the hate people have for Lamar but if a weak team wants to win, they may as well sign him or enjoy gambling in the draft on a possible average QB.

  11. Not so sure the Watson contract derailed Lamar Jackson’s situation. I think it would be more accurate to say that when Lamar saw Watson’s deal, he mistakenly thought it would be a slam dunk for him to get all that and more. And again, Jackson is suffering greatly due to his lack of professional representation. But that also is his mistaken belief.

  12. Your argument is flawed because IMO the Watson compensation paid by Cleveland is just plain idiotic. Lamar is better, but when you have an outlier contract given to a average QB you can’t let that contract become the new norm. Watson should not be the standard to which new guaranteed QB contracts are given.

  13. I really wonder what the impasse is?

    1. The length of fully guaranteed? Maybe there’s a middle ground with a practical guarantee with 3 years fully, and 2 for injury that become fully guaranteed 2-3 years before.

    2. Just full guarantee? Maybe there’s a middle ground to do a shorter Kirk Cousins like deal. Throw in a no franchise tag kicker if needed.

    3. The actual per year average? This seems hardest to bridge, but easiest to resolve by working with another team if 1 and 2 aren’t also the problem.

  14. Watson-outside of the obvious baggage- was an elite passer and had good pocket mobility and had some playoff success in limited playing time.

    Jackson is an average passer who just runs and eventually will get hurt, and has minimal playoff success.

  15. In essence, the Browns screwed the other 31 teams with their incredibly desperate, stupid Watson contract. I hope the Browns never win another game with Massage Boy under center.

  16. Football careers are fairly short for most…. Sometimes players stupidly make it shorter still….
    I don’t feel bad for him at all…. As Mr. T says: I Pitty The Fool

  17. He will end up playing the minimum amount of games to get his $32M, then he will sign a 1 year $10-12M deal for 2024. 2025 he will be out of the league.

  18. Wrong. On the field, Watson has done way more. He took arguably the worst managed team in the NFL to the playoffs.

  19. You’re worth what people are willing to pay you, to play NOW.
    He was offered enough, that even if the back-end was cut off, to be more than set for life. People should stop comparing what other people get. Who cares? Live in a vacuum and take care of REAL needs not perceived worth.
    When you bet on yourself and get hurt, real worth changes but his perceived worth has not. Ravens would be called stupid for giving him that contract. No one is giving him that contract now. His ship has sailed.

  20. jovanbelchersbaby says:
    April 1, 2023 at 11:49 am
    NFL owners are colluding against Lamar….it’s beyond obvious….now magically no one wants an mvp award winning franchise qb!
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    It’s been three full seasons since his MVP season. He hasn’t even come close to that level of play since. Why pay a record amount of money and two 1st round picks? A team could just move up in the draft and pay a lot of free agent talent.

  21. False.

    You’re excusing the Ravens front office for the Flacco Fiasco and them KNOWING nunerous desperate and pathetic franchises were going to trade for Watson.

    If Lamar Jackson is truly a franchise qb that the Ravens have been bragging about and gushing about, why did you wait (again) to pay your franchise qb??

    This is what I mean about poor GM work by other teams. Belichick would have dealt Jackson after 2020 for 2 1sts minimum or give him a certain amount of guarnateed money on a 4 year deal. If Jackson denied that offer, BB would have quietly dealt him.

    Baltimore is a very arrogant organization that the media gushes over and no one can really explain why.

  22. I agree with BB above; There is ZERO relationship between Watsons contract, scenario and skill set. VS Jackson’s contract request, Ravens willingness to appease Jackson’s requests, Jackson’s scenario and Jackson’s skill set. ZERO. Completely different scenarios and completely different players. Bottom line is that very few teams are willing to risk that kind of money on. QB That will never consistently beat opponents by throwing the football. And that 1, very large DIFFERENCE in those 2 players skill sets is what makes the 2 situations completely different.

  23. It almost feels like the people who claim that Lamar Jackson is a franchise level QB, have never actually watched him play. Highlight plays and fantasy football stats do not make a player a franchise QB. Even during his 2019 MVP year his record was flattered by the worst AFC north decision in decades. (Bengals with a fading Dalton, Baker underachieving, and the duo of Mason Rudolph/Duck Hodges starting in Pit) He misses critical third down throws time and time again and is completely neutralized when teams play cover 0. Let’s also not forget that he was beaten by both Jarvis Landry and Davante Adams in the skills competition which judged passing accuracy. Scum bag as he is Watson is heads and tails better than Jackson.

  24. One massive difference between Jackson and Watson, that’s just not acceptable to say for some reaosn, is that NFL teams evaluate Watson as a far better passer than Jackson, who is viewed as a Jekyll & Hyde QB with a record of dismal playoff performances, that’s when he even makes it to the playoffs.

  25. Lamar derailed his own situation by not doing the contract after year 3 when he was eligible for the extension. Remember, he was too focused on football to pickup the phone during the offseason.

    Then over the next two seasons he was 23rd and 17th in passer rating while also missing 11 games due to injury. Lamar has zero leverage to even ask for a Watson contract.

  26. Do find it odd how very few (if any) have mentioned that Lamar is very likely being advised by the NFLPA themselves to hold out for a guaranteed deal in order to change the market for players league-wide. Their lack of accountability in this whole situation has been severely under-reported.

  27. I would wait to see what Herbert and Burrow sign for…unless they’re waiting on Jackson. You have a ceiling of Watson and floor of whatever they get.

  28. Why does one bad contract justify or force another team/player to use that as the benchmark. This is ego…get something closer. Renegotiate in a couple years. In 5 years new contracts will be worth $100 million more…. I understand guys can get hurt. But we are talk hundreds of millions like I talk 10s and 20s.

  29. several other differences:
    1) Watson is a pocket passer whose game is unlikely to decline rapidly with time. Lamar’s game is based on elite athleticism even by NFL standards.
    2) Lamar has been hurt the last 2 seasons
    3) With contracts like this you need to be able to renegotiate the deal on a regular basis. Lamar is a loose cannon who shows no interest in even thinking about what may help the team.
    4) The Ravens have been trying to negotiate with him for years, but even before the Watson deal he was unwilling to come to agreement with them.

  30. The Browns make a terrible Browns like decision. The other clubs shouldn’t pay the price for others poor decisions. Lamar is a runner primarily. He’s worth what the market is willing to pay.

  31. Lamar beat Herbert, Mahomes and Burrow that last time he played them. Okay, so, how do you make it to the Super Bowl? You have to beat these QBs. Forgot all of your silly, disingenuous stats. Only 3k once. Well, he only had 2 full seasons and the Ravens’ are a running team, and he is a running QB, duh. Stats don’t win you games. Ask Derek Carr. Be nice to see some cogent thought on these boards sometimes when it comes to Lamar, instead of all the annoying hate talk.

  32. One bad contract by one team doesnt obligate others to follow. No one should guarantee a qb that runs as much as Lamar more than 3 years!

  33. milehigh777 says:
    April 1, 2023 at 12:12 pm
    In essence, the Browns screwed the other 31 teams with their incredibly desperate, stupid Watson contract. I hope the Browns never win another game with Massage Boy under center.
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    The Browns don’t make the decisions for the other 31 teams. If your player won’t play because of pay, then I guess that’s your player screwing the team. Watsons average compensation would have been the norm for qbs in a couple years anyways. The Browns guaranteed it to get the deal done.

  34. Deshaun Watson rode the bus from Houston to Jacksonville to start a regular season game. He had a punctured lung and the doctors wouldn’t let him fly. He was on his rookie contract.

    Lamar Jackson elected not to suit up for the playoffs because his knee injury didn’t feel quite right. That was likely a good and proper medical decision.

    Watson would have played.

  35. While I will never side with billionaire owners what keeps everybody from getting paid what they want is the salary cap that was collectively bargained for. The purpose of the cap is so that 5 or 6 teams don’t buy up all the good players and destroy league parity. If you destroy league parity TV revenues go down and somewhat less importantly ticket sales and other stadium revenue. It is foolish to commit $230 to 1 player and wreck the rest of your team. Keep an eye on how the Browns fair.

  36. I’m tired of all this Ravens is a first class organization talk. Did they or did they not give Flacco a super mega deal? So, why is it that they won’t do it for Lamar? Maybe they learn from their mistakes? I don’t know, but not only did they make the Flacco the highest paid QB once, they did it twice!!

  37. Jackson wanted the Ravens to give him what the Browns gave Watson. When I was a youngster my friend had an uncle that gave him a car. So I went to my own uncle and demanded that he give me a car. He didn’t. I’m still upset over it. Hey Lamar, let’s hang out.

  38. Just because the browns are stupid…doesn’t mean the rest of the league is in collusion…

  39. Greed reared its ugly head here. Lamar needed good representation. It was out there. He did not want to pay.

    Bulls Make Money, Bears Make Money, Pigs Get Slaughtered.

    Lamar’s situation is his own doing.

  40. “ He’s a former MVP who has accomplished far more than Watson ever has. ”

    No….No he hasn’t. Watson is a proficient passer that can also run. He has also thrown for over 4000 yards twice. Lamar can’t even break 3000.

  41. As the saying goes beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see little apple to apple similarities between Watson and Jackson. Watson wins games with his passing, such as the National Championship when he passed for 3 tds and over 400 yards. Jackson has no championships and plays in a college style offense. He is also in a different market. QBs gain value by winning playoff games and championships or by having a professional negotiator to bilk a team like Kyler Murray did.

  42. jovanbelchersbaby says:
    April 1, 2023 at 11:49 am
    NFL owners are colluding against Lamar….it’s beyond obvious….now magically no one wants an mvp award winning franchise qb

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    Cam Newton is an MVP winning QB who actually took his team to a SB. Nobody wants him either. Is that collusion?

  43. This is shaping up to be like the Leveon Bell fiasco. Jackson is proving that he’s not very smart.

  44. nhpats2011 says:
    April 1, 2023 at 1:33 pm
    jovanbelchersbaby says:
    April 1, 2023 at 11:49 am
    NFL owners are colluding against Lamar….it’s beyond obvious….now magically no one wants an mvp award winning franchise qb

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    Cam Newton is an MVP winning QB who actually took his team to a SB. Nobody wants him either. Is that collusion?
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    Cam Newtons last season in the NFL his pro football focus grade was 53. Lamar Jackson was hair behind Jalen Hurts at 85. Cam Newton is also nearly 10 years older missed nearly entire seasons with major injuries etc. This is a very dumb excuse. Newton is not in the league for the same reason Kurt Warner is not in the league. It’s collusion for Jackson.

  45. jovanbelchersbaby says:
    April 1, 2023 at 11:49 am
    NFL owners are colluding against Lamar….it’s beyond obvious….now magically no one wants an mvp award winning franchise qb! ______________________________
    You seem to forget that the Ravens already offered Jackson over $133 million guaranteed and HE TURNED IT DOWN! Now he has an offer of $32 million a year. What collusion? It is collusion stopping OBJ from getting a contract or that no one will meet his demands? Same with Jackson. What is obvious is that Jackson has over valued himself.

  46. This is collusion plain and simple. The Ravens used the non exclusive tag because they knew this decision happened at the ownership level. They decided to never be desperate enough again to give out another DeShaun Watson guaranteed contract. The behavior of these teams has been so bizarre because they are colluding. The trade compensation is less than Trey Lance and the lottery ticket the panthers mortgaged their future and the money that teams guessing he wants averages out to slightly more than Daniel Jones. The injuries are even overblown as 11 games missed in 5 season due to moderate injuries that didn’t require surgery. In a league so driven by precedent they still use jimmy Johnsons 30 year old trade value chart, this is all unprecedented because they are making up the collusion excuses as they go.

  47. Everyone wants to compare the QBs, but I really don’t think that is the comparison that needs to be made. Instead, you need to compare the organizations. The Browns have a lousy owner and suspect management, which resulted in not only a poor decision to sign Watson, but wan even worse decision on the trade value and contract terms. By contrast, the Ravens have won Super Bowls, have stable sound ownership, quality management and good coaching. The Browns screwed everything up and the Ravens won’t. It’s like comparing Pauley Shore to Albert Einstein.

  48. One of these guys has completed 63.7%, for 12209 yds, 7.4 YPA, 101 TDs, 38 INTs and a 96.7 rating. Also missed 12 games because of injury or COVID. And turned it over 10 times in 4 playoff games.

    The other guy has gone 67.0%, for 15641 yards, 8.2 YPA, 111 TDs, 41 INTs, and a 102.3% rating and hasn’t missed a game due to injury or illness.

    So which one is the more accomplished one again? Yeah, yeah, the first guy runs the ball. But that’s the point. That’s his difference. That’s the weapon he is. And he ain’t doing that when he’s 32 never mind 42.

    Neither deserves a fully guaranteed contract either. But if you were going to give it to one of them, it ain’t the first guy.

  49. runtheball says:
    April 1, 2023 at 12:15 pm

    He will end up playing the minimum amount of games to get his $32M, then he will sign a 1 year $10-12M deal for 2024. 2025 he will be out of the league.
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    See, this is what I’m talking about. Pure stupidity and hate. Be out of he league by 2025? I guess the thumbs up is because you want him out of the league. Honestly, where does all this hate come from? It’s been there since day one of the draft. Because he doesn’t look like you, talk like you, play like you want him too? The guy has never been in trouble with the law. What is it? Somebody speak up.

  50. The mentally ill post on every Lamar Jackson story. Still 75% win percent QB who saved John harbaugh’s job (straight out of Bisciotti’s mouth that he was going to fire him before they made the playoffs his rookie year), and Eric Decosta is terrible with the draft. But you’ll learn Raven fans when you’re still looking for a franchise QB in 2036 after you haven’t had one for so long. Remember the Kyle Boller and Elvis Grbac years? They were pure pocket passers, lol. Because that’s what matters just like the Panther fans who have been watching atrocious football since their franchise used Cam Newton up and spit him out. How you get to the wins is definitely more important than that you get them. That’s why according to PFT poster, Justin Mediocre Herbert is elite. SMH.

  51. “Cam Newton is an MVP winning QB who actually took his team to a SB. Nobody wants him either. Is that collusion?”

    Cam Newton is 33 and is a running QB with no legs left. Jackson is 26 and is in his prime. It makes no sense to use Cam to say there was no collusion against Lamar.

    Having said that. Collusion or not, what team in their right mind would give Jackson what the Ravens already refused to give him PLUS two first round picks?

  52. After Haslam’s failure (referring to the Watson contract, specifically) the NFL failed by keeping the criticisms of the contract within the inner circle exclusively. Sure there were murmurs of the discord but the NFL Owners collectively failed to reduce the likelihood of this.

    And for who? For what?

    Watson’s contract is undeserved from a football perspective. It is outlandish and offensive once his illicit lifestyle (IOW not a mistake) went public. Dude could be on track for a Wentzian death.

    Watson’s contract is an aberration, period. I’m all for the players taking the biggest bites from the apple they can, but I’d wager none of us can think of a worse contract all in all than the Watson deal.

  53. Lamar following the Leveon Bell playbook on how to get a new deal is what is derailing Jackson now

  54. Why would anyone be surprised by this? For 20+ years the Factory of Sadness has been ruining the NFL with a non-competitive product. Now they are using contracts to ruin it too.

  55. Lamar is his own worst enemy – he was offered a reasonable guaranteed contract by Baltimore and refused it because of he thought he was more valuable than what Baltimore said. Obviously 99.9% of the League feels he’s worth less than what the Ravens initially offered him!

  56. dirtdawg53 says:
    April 1, 2023 at 2:20 pm
    One of these guys has completed 63.7%, for 12209 yds, 7.4 YPA, 101 TDs, 38 INTs and a 96.7 rating. Also missed 12 games because of injury or COVID. And turned it over 10 times in 4 playoff games.

    The other guy has gone 67.0%, for 15641 yards, 8.2 YPA, 111 TDs, 41 INTs, and a 102.3% rating and hasn’t missed a game due to injury or illness.

    So which one is the more accomplished one again? Yeah, yeah, the first guy runs the ball. But that’s the point. That’s his difference. That’s the weapon he is. And he ain’t doing that when he’s 32 never mind 42.

    Neither deserves a fully guaranteed contract either. But if you were going to give it to one of them, it ain’t the first guy

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    Leaving out lots of facts including the first guy is 10TH in passer rating from the pocket, winning 74% of the time. Also using traditional 1972 stats in 2023 is silly. Every advanced statistics in the world suggests the first guy is elite especially those that isolates performance from the rest of the team.4th in EPA and for a team that scored 6 touchdowns in 6 games without him, elite pro focus grades 3 out 4 seasons Third in QBR etc. And as long as a rushing TD counts for same amount of points as a passing TD Leaving part out is also dumb. It means your defense can rest more, their defense can’t and the opposing defense can not play certain coverages. With other QB you pay them big money and you must pay a wide receiver big money to be effective. All you have to do is give the first guy a football and you instantly have a top 10 offense.

  57. This is where the cries of collusion fall apart. Jackson thinking that he’s worth what some other team paid a different player is asking for collusion, but he’s not getting it.

    The Watson contract is the outlier. Looking at actual accomplishments and value, the contract the Ravens already offered Jackson a perfectly in line with other contracts. Mahomes, Allen, Prescott, Cousins, Carr, Wilson, etc – where the Jackson offer falls in that mix is just right for the value of what he’s done and what he hasn’t.

    I think Watson’s a degenerate who should never have been allowed on a field again, but it seems inaccurate to say he’s accomplished much less than Jackson. Same number of playoff wins, very similar stats, they’re actually much closer than different.

    But what’s off is how much Watson was valued by the Browns. Jackson is being valued just right.

  58. Jackson has every right to look at Watson’s contract and say, “If that’s what he’s worth, I’m worth at least that much if not more.” while this may be a true statement the problem is and was watson wasnt worth anything remotely close to that. in fact i still believe he shouldnt even be in the league..but i guess im biased because i have daughters and a mom and a wife i respect

  59. Blame the Browns all you want, but this is the direction of the NFL and the Browns just jumped ahead a few years. There are two classes in the NFL: Franchise QB and everyone else. The Franchise QBs will be getting more and more guaranteed money as each contract is signed and why shouldn’t they?! Look at every other sport – they all have guaranteed contracts. Why should a Franchise QB not get the same treatment as some of these pedestrian baseball players – I’m not referring to the Stars, but the average guy. Also, why are fans and the media (many are former players) so against guaranteed contracts in the NFL? These guys have the shelf-life of produce and should get every penny possible in a violent yet wildly popular sport that is our new national pasttime.

  60. Watson tore his ACL and missed 10 starts his rookie season. There have been other injuries, like the punctured lung, that he has played through.

  61. DW had leverage which his agent exploited.

    LJ does not & only has himself to blame. Who wants to negotiate with a guy spouting off on Twitter?

    Who is spending 2 1st round picks & $35/40M+ per year w/ a ton of guarantees for a run-focused QB that didn’t play in a playoff game. That’s the leader your backing up the Brinks truck for?

    Not a ton of leverage for LJ

  62. I get a kick out of the two Lamar fanboys who claimed Lamar would sign the biggest QB context ever now falling all over themselves to try and justify why it hasn’t happened. It’s simple: no team wants to retool their entire offense to accommodate Lamar’s very limited skill set.

  63. “Why should a Franchise QB not get the same treatment as some of these pedestrian baseball players – I’m not referring to the Stars, but the average guy.”

    Because the NFL and NFLPA collectively bargained this structure.

    “Also, why are fans and the media (many are former players) so against guaranteed contracts in the NFL? These guys have the shelf-life of produce and should get every penny possible in a violent yet wildly popular sport that is our new national pasttime.”

    A far better question. I do not know. I would imagine former players are against it because they never got it when they played. Media has a interest (especially broadcasting partners) to be pro-NFL management. As for fans, who knows. I get the impression from these comment boards that a lot of people just don’t think any athlete is worth what they are paid. They choose to compare what they do for their career to what an athlete (entertainer) is paid, and it’s a really poor comparison.

  64. mikecrabtreeschain says:
    April 1, 2023 at 1:58 pm

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    Cam Newton is an MVP winning QB who actually took his team to a SB. Nobody wants him either. Is that collusion?
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    Cam Newtons last season in the NFL his pro football focus grade was 53. Lamar Jackson was hair behind Jalen Hurts at 85. Cam Newton is also nearly 10 years older missed nearly entire seasons with major injuries etc. This is a very dumb excuse. Newton is not in the league for the same reason Kurt Warner is not in the league. It’s collusion for Jackson.
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    So winning the MVP doesn’t mean you are the best player in the NFL every year for the rest of your career? Why do people keep bringing up like it is?

    If you want to say that it’s the player’s recent history that counts, I agree, so stop throwing out “he’s a [former] NFL MVP!” as if that’s the trump card that makes all other discussion meaningless. To me, the MVP is a popularity contest, a “who is the most fun to watch?” award, and doesn’t mean anything when talking about skill, value, or performance.

  65. Jackson has every right to look at Watson’s contract and say, “If that’s what he’s worth, I’m worth at least that much if not more.” – this statement is garbage. The Browns are lead by a family of fools. If his Wife and Daughters were all consulted on the Watson deal then how did that deal happen so fast after his plane left in Austin Texas after Baker SLAPPED him down for a meeting? Jackson should not get a Watson deal because that was a BAD DEAL. Watson got his but when he gets injured the Browns are toast. His cap hit will crush them.

  66. Watson was only worth that to the Cleveland Browns. That doesn’t mean the Ravens have to pay that kind of money. Watson also has an agent known for high dollar, fully guaranteed contracts.

  67. Just because one franchise decides to make a terrible business decision, doesn’t mean the other teams should follow suit.

  68. Definitely collusion but two things can be true. Should have had an agent. Swallow your pride, take a 3-year fully guaranteed $50
    million contract which is the going rate, with a clause the Ravens can’t tag you after year three. Then at 29 yes old if healthy go somewhere else and take another bite off the apple with a second contract. Win win for everyone.

  69. mikecrabtreeschain says:
    April 1, 2023 at 1:58 pm

    It’s collusion for Jackson.
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    Collusion because nobody is willing to offer two 1st round picks and a contract greater than 3 yr/$133 million guaranteed and probably similar to Watson’s 5 yr/ $230 million guaranteed? I suppose it’s collusion if nobody pays OBJ $20 million a year. Right?

  70. nite2al says:
    April 1, 2023 at 2:36 pm See, this is what I’m talking about. Pure stupidity and hate. Be out of he league by 2025? I guess the thumbs up is because you want him out of the league. Honestly, where does all this hate come from? It’s been there since day one of the draft. Because he doesn’t look like you, talk like you, play like you want him too? The guy has never been in trouble with the law. What is it? Somebody speak up.
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    I’ll bite. It’s because I’m tired of the hype without results. I’m a Steelers fan. Lamar is 2-3 with a passer rating of 67.4 with 634 yards, 4 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 5 games against the Steelers in his career. Am I supposed to be impressed by that? During this time, the Steelers have been very subpar. That’s a division rival. That’s who you are supposed to dominate if you are “elite,” not random out if conference opponents. I fear when the Steelers face Mahomes. I don’t even worry about Lamar.

  71. Nah, at the end of the day, Jackson derailed Jackson. When you don’t have sound legal financial advisement and turn down $100 million+ guaranteed, it’s on you.

  72. April 1, 2023 at 6:25 pm
    mikecrabtreeschain says:
    April 1, 2023 at 1:58 pm

    It’s collusion for Jackson.
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    Collusion because nobody is willing to offer two 1st round picks and a contract greater than 3 yr/$133 million guaranteed and probably similar to Watson’s 5 yr/ $230 million guaranteed? I suppose it’s collusion if nobody pays OBJ $20 million a year. Right?

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    Or course not. 20 teams have openly show interest in OBJ. Pretty much every team said they are not interested in making a 2 minute phone to discuss a contract with Jackson. The Ravens said he wants more than Watson (maybe he does or maybe that’s the rate for the Ravens)and Jackson said he doesn’t.

  73. Jimmy Haslam has more money then he can spend. We hung out the 31- 1 but as a town but we hate him. He is not one of us. Signed CLEVELAND. Sell the team and go away Haslam’s.

  74. AFC North teams actually hope he stays in Baltimore. He’ll get hurt, disgruntled (again) or something. When it’s toxic, it’s toxic.

  75. Considering the collusion that appears to be going on, why aren’t the collection of NFL agents and their clients getting together and agreeing not to sign any contract that doesn’t include a 100% guarantee? If it’s good for the goose then it’s good for the gander.

  76. unidentifiedcommentingobject says:
    April 1, 2023 at 7:27 pm
    AFC North teams actually hope he stays in Baltimore. He’ll get hurt, disgruntled (again) or something. When it’s toxic, it’s toxic.

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    Really? The Ravens have the record in AFC north by far when Jackson is healthy. I would not want to be in the position that my only hope for winning a division is injury.

  77. Ysobespence says:
    April 1, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    nite2al says:
    April 1, 2023 at 2:36 pm See, this is what I’m talking about. Pure stupidity and hate. Be out of he league by 2025? I guess the thumbs up is because you want him out of the league. Honestly, where does all this hate come from? It’s been there since day one of the draft. Because he doesn’t look like you, talk like you, play like you want him too? The guy has never been in trouble with the law. What is it? Somebody speak up.
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    I’ll bite. It’s because I’m tired of the hype without results. I’m a Steelers fan. Lamar is 2-3 with a passer rating of 67.4 with 634 yards, 4 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 5 games against the Steelers in his career. Am I supposed to be impressed by that? During this time, the Steelers have been very subpar. That’s a division rival. That’s who you are supposed to dominate if you are “elite,” not random out if conference opponents. I fear when the Steelers face Mahomes. I don’t even worry about Lamar.
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    Division games should be tough. Well, I look at it differently than you. I have great respect for the Steelers. And games with the Ravens are always hard fought games, no matter who the players are. But at the same time, Lamar kept Ravens atop the division where he was there. It ain’t about your record against the Steelers. Be impressed with a 74% win rate where only Mahomes is better. How about that? You just pick negative stats against Lamar. Newsflash, you can do that with any QB. Burrow can beat the Browns. Are you impressed with that?

  78. Ok we all know in hindsight that the Flacco deal was bad, however Flacco came to the table with something either Jackson or Watson have ever come close to… A Superbowl win. There are only 56 of those in history folks and 14 men have accounted for 38 of those wins so only 42 men in history have a SB title on their resume.

    So if Jackson or Watson EVER win a SB they will also get a ridiculous contract (oops too late one of them already did).

    If Jackson wants to stomp his feet and get a mega contract how about he put some MAJOR hardware in the trophy case first

  79. Watsons contract didn’t make Lamar decisions. I’m not saying it doesn’t play into his decision making but his decisions are his responsibility. That’s all

  80. There are two guys in here who defend Lamar, almost like a relative. They are upset due to “hate”. Really? The guy is an absolute bonehead. He wants anyone to pay him like Watson. That’s plain stupidity. He’s getting called out because he’s making really irrational decisions, he hasn’t got a single, solitary vote for MVP since 2019 and he refused to have an educated/experienced agent make his financial arrangements. People are verbally abusing him because he has self-torpedoed his career. Race has absolutely, positively nothing to do with it.

  81. Self inflicted wounds. I don’t know what made Lamar think that because the Browns decided to break protocol and sign Deshaun to that much guaranteed money that the Ravens would have to do the same. Everyone and their mother knows the owners were not happy with that deal so I don’t understand his stance. Then not having an agent that could be talking to other teams and possibly coming to an agreement with the Ravens on some kind of deal is not helping. He played himself but his pride won’t let him admit it. I think if he had an agent he’d be out of Baltimore by now. For all of you calling him a RB playing QB he might have a better winning percentage than the standard pocket passer on your team. Not perfect but you can’t deny that he’s a winner. Get an agent and end this drama.

  82. The beauty of the Ravens move is he plays for them for 32M or no one.
    I suspect the owners agreed to not bid on Lamar, and Lamarvlost about 13M with the non exclusive tag.
    That was the owners power play, and Lamar was not thinking when he thought he could over power the owners.
    I thought Dak would be similarly steamrolled, but he somehow prevailed.

  83. One has nothing to do with the other. LJ never finishes what he started. DW always finishes, whether the opposing team likes it or not.

  84. He’ll be at the ownership meeting next month if he’s still in limbo. I heard last year he was a possibility for Miami, that door seems to be closed. There’s a lot of pull for him in Atlanta but he’d need to meet with Blank personally would be my guess.

  85. Seems like most understand this, but for those that don’t. It’s not collusion for business owners to admit they’d like to pay their employees less money or that one person running a similar business (ie the browns) screws up the baselines by paying more. Of course they want to pay less.

  86. A different perspective on the difference between Watson and Jackson. If you were looking at Watson last year thinking, here is a pro bowl QB who is is on a badly coached team with bad mgmt and bad ownership. That’s why he hasn’t been able to win, We can turn this guy into something special (arrogance and foolishness). Jackson is a pro bowl MVP QB on a team well coached with good mgmt and ownership. Do we have anything else to offer that will make this guy more than he already is, a QB who has won 1 playoff game. So why drop 230 million and screw the franchise financially for years to come, when we can risk a 1st rounder on a rookie deal and build around him. (What KC did with Mahomes and the Eagles did with Hurts). Cleveland was in a position they had to make a bold move at QB after 20 years of whiffing on drafts. Both situations aren’t perfect for the franchises but it’s definitely not collusion

  87. Grant35 nailed it! The most accurate commentary on Lamar to date. Your absolutely, positively correct sir….

  88. I agree with this article, but I also think some serious collusion is going on. Bisciotti’s and the nfl’s response to the Watson contract was very telling. As proof, for those who know what I am talking about, the ELEVEN game suspension was very telling.

    No one was going to sign Jackson to an offer prior to the draft. They can use their high 2023 pick, sign him to an offer and if it goes through give up lower picks in 2024 and 2025. They also don’t want to tell others they may sign him sooner and have someone give up their 2023 pick to beat them to the punch. We will find out after the draft if there is a market for him. Him not signing getting an offer yet has nothing to do with collusion.

  89. Ok so simply put. Are the Browns really the team you want to emulate. Great decision making is not really that clubs strong suit. Let the Ravens make their own decisions because this choice the Browns have made has not really panned out yet.

  90. grant35 says:
    April 1, 2023 at 9:01 pm
    There are two guys in here who defend Lamar, almost like a relative. They are upset due to “hate”. Really? The guy is an absolute bonehead. He wants anyone to pay him like Watson. That’s plain stupidity. He’s getting called out because he’s making really irrational decisions, he hasn’t got a single, solitary vote for MVP since 2019 and he refused to have an educated/experienced agent make his financial arrangements. People are verbally abusing him because he has self-torpedoed his career. Race has absolutely, positively nothing to do with it.

    Agree 100%. Race has nothing to do with it and neither does collusion. The fact is that Lamar is now a very average QB. Don’t believe me? Check his stats over the past 2 seasons.
    He will get paid like an average QB, period.

  91. @viking, Dak is in his last year unless he redoes his contract. If they draft Hooker, Dak’s not going to be there in 2024.

  92. The DeShawn Watson contract has zero effect on Lamar Jackson’s contract that he feels he deserves, but Lamar chooses to be delusional, bullheaded, and continues to be unprofessional, so here we are now. Well, I hate to say it, but Lamar can think he deserves whatever, but now the other 31 teams are going to set his markket value for him and then he can either take it or play for the Ravens at $32m or he can go hock bowflexes with his unlicensed agent business partner. He acted unprofessional and chose not to get an agent so now he will have to sleep in the bed that he himself made.

  93. When Cleveland signed Watson, all the knowledgeable football people whether media pundits or NFL GMs, said that Cleveland overpaid. So continuing to compare Jackson to Watson is pointless. t would be like some idiot paying $30 grand for a 2005 Toyota Corolla and afterwards all 2005 Corolla owners expecting to be able to sell their car for $30 grand.

  94. Cam Newton was an MVP known for running first and throwing second. He’s out of the league and still very young for a QB. If a massive guy like him is injured caise he’s a run first QB, then how much longer you think Lamar (who’s much smaller) can last? No body type has ever been better suited for that type of play than Cam and if he’s already out then it shows if he can’t do it nobody can. Not long term. Have to learn to read defenses and win at least primarily from the pocket.

  95. zzbrock says:
    April 1, 2023 at 10:21 pm
    A different perspective on the difference between Watson and Jackson. If you were looking at Watson last year thinking, here is a pro bowl QB who is is on a badly coached team with bad mgmt and bad ownership. That’s why he hasn’t been able to win, We can turn this guy into something special (arrogance and foolishness). Jackson is a pro bowl MVP QB on a team well coached with good mgmt and ownership. Do we have anything else to offer that will make this guy more than he already is, a QB who has won 1 playoff game. So why drop 230 million and screw the franchise financially for years to come, when we can risk a 1st rounder on a rookie deal and build around him. (What KC did with Mahomes and the Eagles did with Hurts). Cleveland was in a position they had to make a bold move at QB after 20 years of whiffing on drafts. Both situations aren’t perfect for the franchises but it’s definitely not collusion

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    It’s more like Cleveland has spent years drafting very well but missed spectacularly on the most important position QB and did anything to fill the void with the best QB to come available in years. While Baltimore has spent years since Ozzie Newsome retired drafting poorly but had an elite QB on a rookie deal and was unable to capitalize on it.

  96. It’s crap to blame the Browns for guaranteeing Watson’s contract. Who wouldn’t have if they were in the Browns’shoes? No franchise QB for 30+ years and a city no one would to play in? Please. At least 13 teams (and probably more) applied to the Watson camp to be considered. He chose the final four to meet, one of which was the Browns and the only way he signs with the Browns is to guarantee the contract. And then Atlanta comes back and says they would have done the same if given a chance. Also, last I checked, most if not all NBA and MLB contracts are guaranteed and those leagues, with far less overall revenue, are doing just fine. The NFL owners just don’t want to guarantee anything even when they are making plenty and have franchises that are worth far more than NBA and MLB franchises except maybe the Yankees & Dodgers.

  97. It’s common sense, not collusion. Nobody with a brain is going to give up two first round picks and at least 230 mil guaranteed to a QB who has missed the end of the season due to injury the last two years and whose record in the playoffs is 1-3. If he plays on his franchise tag this year and manages to make it through a whole season, then he can sign a lucrative deal without the two first round picks being a factor.

  98. Lamar is an improvement over most team’s QBs. There should be a very robust market for his services, but, Watson’s contract is a bad deal for teams. It’s becoming more and more obvious that nobody is going to offer that kind of guarantee to Lamar, or anyone else. This is much less a reflection on Lamar Jackson’s worth than it is an illustration of just how badly the Browns managed their situation.

  99. Watson contract doesn’t have a damn thing to do with Lamar’s contract situation. It’s those racist owners whom are colluding to retaliate & teach black players a lesson that they’re not to represent themselves but keep their Good Old Boys System running by hiring white Agents,Lawyers & Accountants. Keeping them in our pockets at every level. It’s crystal clear what they’re doing & saying. It’s not Watson’s fault & all of you know this for certain.

  100. Lamar has never had a cast of elite WRs. I feel for the guy in that sense. But, the issue in getting the Watson deal is Lamar’s style of play. He’s a runner who gets hurt and no team wants to be on the hook for 5 years and $230 million for a QB who could get hurt in year 1 and never be the same (or who history has already shown for two years in a row, can’t stay healthy for 17 games).

    Lamar is the exact kind of player who would benefit from a guaranteed deal. But, the exact kind of player who won’t get one. He has squandered leverage for two years by not having an agent or being willing to negotiate. If he’s wondering why he hasn’t gotten the deal he’s wanted, I can give him a mirror.

    It takes a bottom feeder like Cleveland to get a deal like Watson’s. But with four great QBs coming out this year, the bad teams have options in the draft. Last year was better for Lamar when there weren’t any options at QB in the draft. If that were the case this year, Carolina, Houston and Indy would all be options. But, none of them want to spend 5 years $230M guaranteed when they can get a franchise QB in the draft for 4 years $40M with a fifth year option (and only spend one first round pick).

  101. forrest10 says:
    April 2, 2023 at 12:04 pm
    Lamar has never had a cast of elite WRs. I feel for the guy in that sense. But, the issue in getting the Watson deal is Lamar’s style of play. He’s a runner who gets hurt and no team wants to be on the hook for 5 years and $230 million for a QB who could get hurt in year 1 and never be the same (or who history has already shown for two years in a row, can’t stay healthy for 17 games).

    Lamar is the exact kind of player who would benefit from a guaranteed deal. But, the exact kind of player who won’t get one. He has squandered leverage for two years by not having an agent or being willing to negotiate. If he’s wondering why he hasn’t gotten the deal he’s wanted, I can give him a mirror.

    It takes a bottom feeder like Cleveland to get a deal like Watson’s. But with four great QBs coming out this year, the bad teams have options in the draft. Last year was better for Lamar when there weren’t any options at QB in the draft. If that were the case this year, Carolina, Houston and Indy would all be options. But, none of them want to spend 5 years $230M guaranteed when they can get a franchise QB in the draft for 4 years $40M with a fifth year option (and only spend one first round pick)

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    History has also shown us that he can stay healthy and put together a first team all pro season. History also says That is highly unlikely from any from of the 4 so called “great” QBS projected to be drafted in the first round. Only 3/38 first round QB since the rookie wage scale was implemented in 2010 has either won a superbowl, been 1st team all pro, or MVP Mahomes, Newton and Jackson. They average making it only 3 seasons as teams primary starter and make the playoffs less than 20% of the time. A team like the panthers gave up roughly $150 million in assets for a guy who could be the next Zach Wilson. NFL teams are not this stupid. This is collusion. The teams who didn’t get Watson still need QBs and they knew Watson was going to suspended anyway so to think that one year makes that much of a difference is ridiculous.

  102. ikecrabtreeschain says:
    April 2, 2023 at 7:42 pm
    forrest10 says:
    April 2, 2023 at 12:04 pm
    Lamar has never had a cast of elite WRs. I feel for the guy in that sense. But, the issue in getting the Watson deal is Lamar’s style of play. He’s a runner who gets hurt and no team wants to be on the hook for 5 years and $230 million for a QB who could get hurt in year 1 and never be the same (or who history has already shown for two years in a row, can’t stay healthy for 17 games).

    Lamar is the exact kind of player who would benefit from a guaranteed deal. But, the exact kind of player who won’t get one. He has squandered leverage for two years by not having an agent or being willing to negotiate. If he’s wondering why he hasn’t gotten the deal he’s wanted, I can give him a mirror.

    It takes a bottom feeder like Cleveland to get a deal like Watson’s. But with four great QBs coming out this year, the bad teams have options in the draft. Last year was better for Lamar when there weren’t any options at QB in the draft. If that were the case this year, Carolina, Houston and Indy would all be options. But, none of them want to spend 5 years $230M guaranteed when they can get a franchise QB in the draft for 4 years $40M with a fifth year option (and only spend one first round pick)

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    History has also shown us that he can stay healthy and put together a first team all pro season. History also says That is highly unlikely from any from of the 4 so called “great” QBS projected to be drafted in the first round. Only 3/38 first round QB since the rookie wage scale was implemented in 2010 has either won a superbowl, been 1st team all pro, or MVP Mahomes, Newton and Jackson. They average making it only 3 seasons as teams primary starter and make the playoffs less than 20% of the time. A team like the panthers gave up roughly $150 million in assets for a guy who could be the next Zach Wilson. NFL teams are not this stupid. This is collusion. The teams who didn’t get Watson still need QBs and they knew Watson was going to suspended anyway so to think that one year makes that much of a difference is ridiculous.
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    Hilarious how you try and drop Jackson in with Mahomes by including Super Bowl wins & MVP award. Two completely different subjects. Mahomes, plays hurt and wins Super Bowls as a team player. Jackson had one MVP season four years ago and has been on a downward trajectory with keeping healthy, and making the playoffs.

    Also, you seem to live in the past. Jackson’s “History” shows that he has not completed a season in three years, and his MVP award was in 2019,what makes you think this will change?

  103. Watson had created a 6 team bidding war which lead to him getting that contract.

    Jackson has the opposite of a bidding war as he only has one team bidding currently.

    The market for Lamar is what it is.

  104. Lamar needs an agent to read the market. Watson’s deal was an outlier. Lamar should take the one-year franchise tag and see what Joe Burrow gets next year.

  105. Lamar’s leverage is that the Ravens are a seven win team without him. He’s going to get some guaranteed money even if it isn’t the full Watson deal. His strategy of going after the bird in the bush as opposed the one the Ravens placed in his hand is high risk/high reward. By waiting until the eleventh hour he did get a sampling of what one team (Cleveland) was willing to pay a starting QB. But the QB market is like the stock or housing market in that the greater fool does not always show up to pay the higher price.

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