Bill Belichick has shopped Mac Jones this offseason

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No, things aren’t going well between Patriots coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Mac Jones.

Following the posting of the item regarding the lingering tension between coach Bill Belichick and the 2021 first-rounder, more information has trickled in.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Belichick has shopped Jones to multiple teams during the 2023 offseason.

The full list of potential destinations isn’t known. The teams mentioned as potential destinations were the Raiders, Texans, Buccaneers, and Commanders.

Obviously, a trade hasn’t occurred yet. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen. A team hoping to draft a quarterback could pivot to Jones, if that team doesn’t get the guy it wants.

The Raiders are the ones to keep watching. Jimmy Garoppolo‘s contract lands in the low-end of middle class for starters, and Jones has two years left under a slotted rookie deal, before his fifth-year option would apply.

Complicating the situation is the fact that owner Robert Kraft seems to be a big fan of Mac Jones.

“I’m a big fan of Mac,” Kraft told reporters last week. “He came to us as a rookie. He quarterbacked in his rookie season and did a very fine job I thought. We made the playoffs. I think we experimented with some things last year that frankly didn’t work when it came to him, in my opinion.”

While Kraft continues to defer to Belichick when it comes to running  “my football team,” Kraft may not be thrilled about the prospect of parting ways with Jones. And Kraft seems to be sympathetic to frustrations that trace to the failed offensive experiment in 2022, with Matt Patricia serving as the coordinator.

206 responses to “Bill Belichick has shopped Mac Jones this offseason

  1. I’m not buying it. This is another “per a source” statements, just a fabricated rumor. I doubt this missive gets published.

  2. My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

  3. Not much to read into this regarding Kraft and BB. Kraft is of course going to like the guy. You can tell Jones is a nice dude in general, takes accountability, and does want to win. But, Kraft also knows BB knows a ton more about football, so no matter how much Kraft likes a guy, BB gets the final word. With that being said, not surprised BB is shopping Mac, and for all we know, Mac is probably aware of this. A fresh start for Mac is probably the best choice here anyways

  4. “Per a source with knowledge of the situation …” This is a surprising story and the more surprising the story the more crucial it is to know the identity of the source. Until I get a name, I will treat this revelation with due skepticism.

  5. I seen this at the Supermarket checkout too. It was the story right beneath the Elvis sighting.

  6. Per a “source with knowledge” of the situation… The source can only be Mac Jones himself or his agent. There’s no reason for BB – the de facto GM of the Pats – to leak this info. Only Mac Jones wants this information known, presumably to assist in making a trade happen.

  7. Kraft has made it sound like Belichick needs to win now to keep his job. Belichick is at an age when a health issue could make it difficult for him to pass Shula. Belichick has a lot better chance of keeping his job and passing Shula if he has a very good QB. Maybe he will find a veteran QB to trade for or possibly sign Lamar. Either way the sand is running out of the hourglass for Belichick. His best option might be to give Brady a call.

  8. Trading Jones now would be moronic. He had a dreadful seaso last year. You don’t sell low that’s just bad business.

  9. “Per a source with knowledge of the situation”

    Uh-huh.
    More likely per a source who claims ‘knowledge of the situation’
    If it claimed “per multiple GM’s and personnel folks around the league’ maybe I’d bite

  10. The more time passes to more it becomes clear that Belichick without Brady is just another coach.

  11. Even shopping Macaroni Jones around Belichick has zero interest in Lamar Jackson – that’s priceless!

  12. Of course Kraft is going to say he’s a big fan of Mac Jones when asked about it. What else could he say,’Mac’s not the guy’?? Doesn’t mean anything outside of showing support for the team’s current QB.

    Also, Mac trying to make it work last year by asking people he trusted for help makes Mac look good. He didn’t give up, kept trying. That’s a leader.

  13. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?
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    BB and the team…. no. Buy whomever they went shopping with might not be so tight-lipped

  14. Jones should be traded, this was not a relationship that was ever going to work. If I were a coach I would not have found my QB’s antics on the field acceptable. Under any circumstances.

    Kraft probably will never want to fire BB, so he’ll step down soon and let Jonathan do it.

  15. I look at it this way. IF Belichick is in fact shopping Jones it’s wholly irresponsible on his part not to be trying to get LJackson as part of a trade involving Jones. That said, I think keeping Jones makes a lot more sense.

  16. Big mistake. Jones had the greatest rookie season in the history of the NFL. He’s clearly headed for the Hall of Fame. You don’t just discard a player of his caliber.

  17. Bill has totally screwed up the Mac Jones situation.
    He must be embarrassed about last year’s fiasco and now wants to be rid of all reminders of it.

    Whenever Mac has been given a fair chance, he has been excellent.

    Best coach in the history of football, but I think his time is coming. It happens to all of us. Every fire’s intensity dwindles at some point— no shame in that.

  18. The Pats basically wasted a year of Mac’s development on a cheap contract. That experiment with Patricia & Judge was one of the worse mistakes Belichick has ever made. Kraft as pissed at this.

  19. Love all the fan boys/girls jumping to call this a fabrication because BB wouldn’t talk.

    Maybe it was Mac’s agent
    Maybe one of the teams being contacted said so
    Maybe it indeed was BB in an attempt to create a market for Mac, after all he plays chess
    Maybe someone in Kraft’s massage parlor overhead a discussion

  20. Been telling people he doesn’t like him and didn’t want to draft him, but I got shouted down by Patriot fans. Belichick knows that’s not a starting QB.

  21. Makes no sense, unless BB had some plan in mind to land Lamar Jackson. Doubt it though.

  22. tedmurph says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:34 am
    Fake news.
    ——-
    If there was truth to this you would think O’Brien is aware of this plan AND signed off on it. I find that very hard to believe.

  23. BB created this situation and let it fester for the entire season. This isn’t all on Jones.

  24. All’s not well in the state of New England.

    Better circle the wagons!!!

    LOL!!!

  25. Who drafted Mac Jones? Who evaluated Mac Jones? Who evaluated Tom Brady and had a sixth round grade on him? I’ve been watching football for over half a century, and it’s always been like this. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.

  26. He was promoted heavily, since BB was the person that drafted him. Everyone gets a chance. Seems to be a backup QB just holding the fort for an actual front line QB. Still, you don’t draft players of his ilk in Round 1.

  27. Of course Kraft is a fan of Mac, he sells tons of it every year. Sorry I’ll see myself out.

  28. tb12bestqbevah says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:55 am
    Does Bill have Zappe fever?

    ——
    Crappe stinks.

  29. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

    Nobody said the Patriots leaked the info. Could have been an agent, or someone involved with any of the teams that were made aware of Jones’ availability. Could also have been Bill “playing chess”, trying to instill a little fear into Jones to get him to conform to the BB way and just do his job (lol).

  30. If he’s traded to Washington then my guess is it’ll be Sam Howell and a 5th round pick for Mac Jones

  31. Seems rather fishy. He’s not making a ton of money so there’s no incentive to get rid of him to help the cap and that also makes it extremely easy to make him the backup if BB decides he’s not a starter. And he hasn’t played well enough to really excite a lot of other teams to the point they’d give the Pats a lot via a trade.

  32. Of course, he did. BB knows Lack Jones is not the answer. Once Rodgers arrives, he cannot compete with any QB in the division.

  33. Ever since Mac was crying about a high ankle sprain, it’s been all down hill.

  34. Imagine thinking the team is a train wreck that would be HELPED by drafting an oft-injured mediocre player like Trey Lance. Hilarious.

  35. Mac to Baltimore in Jackson deal? Or a TB, Indy, Raiders. SF like king move Trey too.

  36. The excuses I’m reading are glorious. You can’t make this stuff up. You just can’t.

  37. the8man says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:41 am
    Soooooo, Bailey Zappe is the guy?
    ——
    Every Patriots opponent in 2023 would be ecstatic if that was the case and rightfully so.

  38. I’m not sold on Mac Jones. But he went backwards last year, and IMO the biggest reason was the offensive line. They were terrible, and the offensive line coach was also Patrica.

    Until they sort out the offensive line the jury is out on Jones.

    If you noticed the most movement by the Pats in free agency was around offensive lineman. They know this and are attempting to fix it.

    If the line is better and Jones isn’t he is history.

    I personally think Zappe has more potential.

  39. Robert Kraft is a great guy, but lets face it folks what else is an 80 year old owner going to say?

  40. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.
    ==========

    I saw too much of Mike McCarthy to agree with that.

  41. as far as source close to the team. The source could be retirees, Hoyer, Mccourty or even the teams that were contacted. There was an owners meeting last week and usually most of the staff attends.

  42. Color me skeptical. So who exactly will be the Patriots’ QB in 2023? Zappe? I like the kid, but it’ll take about three or four games max before there’s enough film on him for teams to suss him out. Not a good idea considering the Patriots have a tough schedule this season. If the Patriots had lined up a veteran to trade for or pick up in FA, then maybe, though even then I don’t see it. The most sensible thing is to let O’Brien see what he can do with Mac in 2023 and go from there. Not a lot of sense in shopping Mac after he just had a bad year.

  43. BB has always admired Arron Rogers. Would not be surprised to see the Pats make a move to secure Rogers for the next two seasons.

  44. Nobody wants Mac Jones unless he’s a backup. Never understood the hype since draft day. Always be cautious with guys who played QB at Bama or OSU. I’ll throw in USC to that mix too

  45. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________ It could be anyone for any reason. For example, Sean McDermont worked for Ron Rivera for a number of years, people talk and causing discord on a division rival wouldn’t be anything new. One of those teams could be trying to lower the price by making Jones want to leave putting pressure on the Pats to make a deal. It could very well be Billy B. reminding the team no one is above the team, you know, the “Patriot Way”.

  46. Ever since Mac was crying about a high ankle sprain, it’s been all down hill.

    Actually it started the last 7 games of year one with McDanials he still sucked. He didn’t beat one team over .500, any playoff bound team and any team that scored more than 15 points.

  47. Zappe was clowned by the worst defense in football knocking down a dozen of his weak little passes from his little noodle arm.

    Do I want more of that? No but other teams sure do!

  48. The game has passed BB by…father time is undefeated…and the bells are tolling for Billy.

  49. charliecharger says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:53 am

    Who drafted Mac Jones? Who evaluated Mac Jones? Who evaluated Tom Brady and had a sixth round grade on him? I’ve been watching football for over half a century, and it’s always been like this. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.
    ____________________

    Please. Brady was brought in as a camp arm. If you had any faith in him, you certainly wouldn’t have waited until the 6th round to get him.

  50. No one on the Patriots is talking down Mac Jones.

    Of course, the Patriots would assess Jones’ value.

    The best trade in NFL history was Kraft trading a #1st round pick for Belichick so I am sure he and Bill can evaluate any offer for any player.

  51. If it comes to a head-butting match between Belichick and Kraft over trading Jones I’d look for Belichick to lose. Kraft loved Brady like a son and he’s got to still be stinging at how Belichick ran Brady off and Brady wins a Super Bowl for Tampa. Bill may never get Shula’s record.

  52. As a Bronco fan, I always love to see BB in miserable situations. They are usually of his own doing especially with Patricia and Judge. I see this ending the same it did with Shanahan in Denver. Shanny the GM got fired with brutal firings of D-Coordinators and bad drafts. Bill looks to be doing the same damn thing.

  53. The people blaming it all on Patricia and Judge last year must have stopped watching during his rookie year. The slide started then once the league got a read on his tendencies. At that point, his physical limitations were exacerbated and continued to manifest themselves last year. I know some of you eat all of that rah rah talk up about intangibles, which frankly aren’t great too from his antics this past year especially, but at the end of the day, backup level talents are hard to win with, and he’s a backup level talent physically. No different than AJ MCCarron or a number of other game managers who won at Alabama. Zappe is actually more physically gifted, but he’s not an NFL starter either. Belichick just wants to flip him and get something for him since he knows he’s not the guy. I said it his rookie year. He and washed up Roethlisberger had almost identical stats, yet one guy was being blamed for why the Steelers couldn’t win, and Jones was being crowned as the new Tom Brady. It’s weird how so many people think what the media tells them to think.

  54. If true, what’s to prevent any
    of the teams he has been shopped to from disclosing this info?

  55. nite2al says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:03 pm
    charliecharger says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:53 am

    Who drafted Mac Jones? Who evaluated Mac Jones? Who evaluated Tom Brady and had a sixth round grade on him? I’ve been watching football for over half a century, and it’s always been like this. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.
    ____________________

    Please. Brady was brought in as a camp arm

    ————

    Nobody will Ever make that claim about Lamar!!!

  56. Who are the clowns going on about BB leaking? If he’s being shopped, that leaves another party to leak the info.

  57. Belichick has absolutely destroyed this kids confidence and loyalty. Post Brady the Patriots have become a hot mess.

  58. As a Pats fan, it pains me to say it but Belichick has jumped the shark. From refusing to pony up for WRs to sticking with a bunch of plodding LBs to the weird grievances the end of last season with Jake Bailey and Jack Jones to the Patricia/Judge OC fiasco to the Mac drama to all the uncharacteristic lack of discipline on and off the field, it’s clear Belichick is the problem. For a guy who always was one step ahead, he’s now at least two steps behind the rest of the league. Kraft should do what Belichick used to do: cut bait a season early instead of a season late.

  59. I don’t buy Mac Jones as a starting NFL QB, but that’s just my gut from college tape. There’s no way you can hold his year 2 regression against him when he literally didn’t have an OC and the guys making decisions on that side of the ball were actually former DCs. All of last year was a case of BB seeming to say “I’m smarter than everyone else” and it backfired completely.

  60. All of this shows me bill wasn’t the reason for the pats dynasty. Is mac jones a franchise qb, no. But he was the definition of a great team throughout his entire career and a fighter. Can just see that being 3rd string his entire time at Alabama whole still working hard and cheering on his teammates. To many people have had issues with Bill at this point.

  61. For an owner that used to not want his coach to buy the groceries, Kraft is now okay with his coach buying rotten groceries and cooking mediocre meals. They got jackpot lucky falling into Brady, who clearly could have won 7 trophies with any coach and any team.

  62. So he shopped him to 5 teams over the last few months and the only person reporting it is a source in NE? The Boston media is out of control selling the negative angle to everything. BB could have benched this player at any point last year and didn’t. Are they bringing back Cam too. I’m pretty sure Bill O Brien was told which QBs he was going to be working with.

  63. As a Miami fan, I can only hope they keep Mac Jones. The Yets learned their lesson with Wilson, unfortunately.

  64. The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.

  65. Even if Mac Jones isn’t traded, this definitely sends him a message.

    The Patriots would be far better off dumping Belichick and elevating Mayo to head coach. They would still have to try and trade Mac Jones. A new head coach shouldn’t have to deal with any possible drama coming from the QB.

    Belichick isn’t what he once was.

  66. The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.
    ___________
    That’s great. But how do those games help you today? I see a lot pining for the old days for the Patriots in the near future.

  67. Its Mac trying to shop himself. He is not afraid to reach out to others outside the similar to calling Alabama for last year. After last years fiasco, he wants out.

  68. They can get the same production out of Zappe. Mac trade value is as high as it’s going to get. Might as well see who’s interested. Maybe this news will light a fire under Mac

  69. Belichick isn’t what he once was.

    ++++++++++++++

    No, that is what he always was.

    Without Brady, 2001 Patriots would be like 2020 Patriots; 2003 and 2004 Patriots would be like 2021 Patriots (soft schedule).

  70. tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.

    ————–

    They’re scarred NFL fans. The damage the Pats 2 dynasties did clearly affect their fandom and ability to enjoy their own teams.

    They buy every lie about the team that’s negative, to make themselves feel better about their own loser franchises. They’re just miserable people.

  71. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

    The teams he talked to sure can

  72. Any other coach would have been fired based on BB’s work last year. All those Super Bowls are hurting the future in NE. Kraft hasn’t been paying attention too much over the years to BB’s top skill; knowing when someone is past their prime.

  73. This divorce has been obvious to me for nearly a year now. Does Mac seem like the kind of person who can handle Belichick?

    This is the weirdest off-season. Odd timing for this leak. Washington, SF, TB, Rams, ATL, and Indy could be interested. Raiders would have made sense a month ago. Despite not having a QB, Mac doesn’t feel like a Baltimore player. Is NE looking to move up to draft a QB?

  74. The Patriots should shop Belichick. Coaches like Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin, and Pete Carroll have won division titles and playoff games without their star quarterbacks. For some reason, the AFC East is now suddenly competitive. Keep in mind, Brady never lost to Josh Allen.

  75. tedmurph says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:14 pm
    Kraft will NEVER fire Bill Belichick.
    ——————————————–

    I usually agree withy tedmurph posts, not that tedmurph cares or anyone should care if I agree with their posts, but I do think if BB forces the Kraft family hand he would be fired. If the Pats struggle through another around .500 season this year, I am guessing the Kraft family will ask BB to step down. They do not want to fire him, but I expect they also do not want their hand forced.

    Having said that, the Pats on paper have had a pretty good off-season on paper correcting some Coaching hire mistakes from last season, only losing one player any true Pats fan would be sorry to see go (Meyers), and picking up some players that look like they can help in various roles. The Meyers for Smith-Schuster switch is a bit of a head scratcher given that Meyers did not sign that outrageous of a contract based on the ridiculous contracts WRs receive these days but we will see how that goes.

  76. Bill makes one bumbling mistake after another it’s time the owner does what needs to be done and fire him.

  77. Rodgers will still end up in either Tennessee, Las Vegas or New England..New York is totally overplaying their hand & will end up drawing the lshort straw.

  78. Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

  79. This is a message to Mc J to not pull the crap he pulled last season and to fall in line.
    To Jones credit tho, he was simply trying to improve the offense, however maybe went about it the wrong way at times.
    EVERYONE knows last year’s dual OC with Patricia and Judge WAS A JOKE. I hope Kraft tore BB a new one for literally wasting a season with that nonsense. Set Jones back. Hoping to see a much improved Jones paired with OBrien as a proper OC.

  80. No one is above BB in his mind.

    If a player publicly demands to get payed he is being traded faster than TB12’s quick passing game.

    If any player of former coach think they are above BB or the team, he will find a way to make them pay.

    This is what is happening, Mac Jones went behind BB’s back by talking to oc’s from other teams because he was frustraded with the offence. He asked for help he didnt feel he got inhouse. Publicly he stated how displeased he was (and I don’t blame him one bit).

    I think the part about asking people outside the patriots for help is the worst betrayl in BB’s eyes.

    (english is not my first langauge I hope this made sense).

  81. Jones doesn’t really seem like a Belichick kind of player. I’d expect that the Patriots are also looking at the division and conference, and realizing that it might be hard to truly contend without a better QB.

    And I’m someone who doesn’t think Jones is bad. But unless he takes a big leap, he’s more in the game-manager style of QB’s. A team could succeed with him, but really need to build a great team around him to do so.

    Anyway, it’s good for popcorn sales leading up to the draft.

  82. 305dolphin says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:32 am

    The more time passes to more it becomes clear that Belichick without Brady is just another coach.
    =============================================================================
    I said that 3 years ago, but the Pats fans wouldn’t hear it. BB had a losing record as a head coach,including 5-11 with the Pats the year before starting Brady. BB’s entire head coaching career is based on him fluking into drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round in the 2000 draft. BB was fired as HC of the Browns before being hired by NE. Also BB had a super bowl ready defense when he was hired as the DC of the Giants in the 1980’s. BB inherited LT & Harry Carson, all-time greats & HOF’ers before he ever coached a game as DC. Plus BB has proven to be an absolutely terrible GM over the years also. A couple years ago he signed 2 TE’s on the 1st day of free agency & both were wastes of Kraft’s money. Henry was definitely the better of the 2, but still was vastly over paid. Amazing how the Pats fans change their tune in 3 years.

  83. BB’s act is getting old and stale. Kraft is old and stale. Which explains why they’re still together.

  84. rockpiler says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:30 am
    Mac’s worth a 5th round value
    —————
    *conditional 5th round pick

  85. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

    ———————————–

    Probably leaked by the team that got offered Mac Jones????

  86. I doubt this is true. But if it is true that shows BB has major problems with successful QBs

  87. paupwarner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:25 pm
    G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

    The teams he talked to sure can
    —-1
    Would have been leaked a long time ago not just today.

  88. This has to be a leak from one of the teams that was offered Jones. There’s nothing that prevents one of those teams from leaking this other than some sort of “gentlemen’s agreement”, and I don’t think it’s outrageous to believe that one of them might want to mess with BB.

  89. tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.
    ———,
    You realize all those years mean nothing right… Buuut let’s breakdown the Patriots over these years…they’ve continually overpaid in free agency for guys like Agholor, Smith and Henry(remember trolls claiming how great those moves were🤣😂🤣), missed on their qb, had a qb controversy that lasted ALL YEAR according to a respected vet player which speaks to the coaching staff as a whole and Belichick as the leader, the offense regressed year over year, coaching staff decisions have been baffling…Is it a horror show? Nope buts it’s also nothing that resembles those 18 years you referred to and it’s nothing that resembles improvement or a bright future.

  90. Even after all the good years it is apparent BB and RK are not best friends. The fear is that BB is preparing to jettison while leaving Kraft with a box of rocks.

  91. Always be skeptical of “per a source with knowledge of the situation” extremely vague and could literally be anyone.

  92. Been following the Patriots a long time. I don’t recall a single time where a major trade he did was preceded by rumors of a trade. When he wants to trade somebody, he just goes and does it. He doesn’t tell the ball boy or the groundskeeper or the local blogger on the North Shore.

    Does this mean that he didn’t ask people what they’d offer? No. But there’s a lot of mileage between testing the waters and shopping a player. Look at all the Jerry Jeudy talk. Broncos wanted to see if they’d get a first round pick.

    Having said that, this sentence reads like a red flag.

    “The teams mentioned as potential destinations were the Raiders, Texans, Buccaneers, and Commanders.”

    Those may be teams that need a QB, but they don’t have much to offer to get a starting QB. If somebody had said the Ravens were looking to put something together to swap Lamar for Mac + picks, that might be true (aside from the part where Bill doesn’t get along with the Ravens at all).

    And I don’t see a lot of demand for Mac right now, either.

    But, hey, let’s have another rumor-based article about Belichick, so all the geniuses can come out of the woodwork and explain to us how a head coach can win 6 Super Bowls without being particularly good.

  93. steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    No?

  94. Seems like Mitch Trubisky type of situation decent first year starting then average second year and coach loses faith etc

  95. “Please. Brady was brought in as a camp arm. If you had any faith in him, you certainly wouldn’t have waited until the 6th round to get him.”

    Brady was drafted in the 6th round because he was available then. There was no buzz about Brady at all at the time. Belichick liked him enough to keep him on the roster as a 4th QB. The only time he’s had 4 QBs.

    Having said that, the other people who think Brady was ‘the reason’ the Pats won all the Super Bowls really need to go back and look at the tape. The Pats from 2001-2005 were successful because of the defense. Remember how Brady was a “system QB” who wasn’t as good as Peyton? That was the talk at the time.

    Brady started ahead of Bledsoe because Bledsoe refused to listen when Belichick told him to stop taking so many risks. Bledsoe loved throwing the deep pass, and he made a lot of bad decisions doing so.

  96. If true, the question becomes… who does Bellichick want?

    Rodgers is not a match for Bill. Stafford might make sense if healthy. Going after Young or Richardson would be expensive.

  97. steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    ————

    I remember one fool claiming the same about Stidham

  98. Forget about leaks for a second. Does anyone actually feel that either Mac Jones or Belichick are happy in New England? Behind closed doors, we all know that Kraft is pissed. Bill is busy rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic instead of giving up his role as general manager. That needs to be done. New England’s problems begin and end with Belichick.

  99. steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    103Rate This

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    Nope, because it never happened.

  100. There’s no value in trading him at the moment, because Mac has been a huge disappointment, despite the media & particularly Florio, trying to big him up.
    so I’m not buying into this story

  101. What does “shopped” mean. People said BB was taking offers for Brady at one point but it turned out it was an unsolicited call from the 49ers and BB rejected it immediately.

  102. Ninety-eight percent of leaks come from agents.

    Don’t believe the blabber that “no one else was there” when you read denials of leaks. If a team is talking about a player who is under contract elsewhere, the agent is involved. If a team is talking to a player about business, the agent is there. If a team is talking to a player about game issues, the player will talk to his agent. We only hear about it when it favors the agent’s client for us to hear about it.

  103. If there is any truth to this, Jones will forever be in Belichick’s dog house. Ask any guy who has ever crossed him. New England went from dynasty to dumpster fire is a few short years.

  104. tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm

    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.
    ———-

    You must admit that at some point the glories of the past become irrelevant compared to what has happened since. When do you think “we have six rings!” will cease being enough to make people forget about what happened in the last game?

  105. For those talking about why did he take Mac Jones, there were many reports at that time that the Krafts made that pick. I know they tell you that they stay out of the draft room and most of you fans moronically believe them for some reason, but more than one source said that they wanted that to be the pick because of how the Newton situation went in 2020. Belichick had a plan. It was Jimmy G, who has been to a Super Bowl and a couple of more championship games with a worse coach who has blown Super Bowl fourth quarter leads in two different places. Kraft made him trade him and then let Brady walk two years later. It’s one of the most bizarre things to ever happen in NFL history as to why you say it’s all on the coach when you clearly step in when you want to but don’t want to say so to keep the fans from questioning you as an owner. Belichick for his part is probably just as frustrated with ownership as anything because he’s the one taking the bullets because he had to take this clearly not first round talent because the boss said so.

  106. If Mac Jones struggles again, it will be difficult to continue to blame 2022 season on BB and Matt Patricia. The problem has to be Mac Jones and therefore the Patriots need to move on.

  107. The Pats from 2001-2005 were successful because of the defense.

    +++++++++++

    FYI if Burrow had scored 24 points in SB, Bengals would have won the SB. If Burrow had scored 24 points against chiefs, Bengals would be in SB.

    With the Brady of EARLY 2000s, Bengals would be on the way to become a dynasty.

    Still think Pats won the first 3 SB by defense?

  108. nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 3:38 pm
    steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    ————

    I remember one fool claiming the same about Stidham

    ——-

    About a thousand posters remember all this.

  109. Lol… the next Brady…NOBODY CLAIMED THAT…. Yeah sure, Brady’s grow on trees, they’re a dime a dozen…everyone’s the next Brady, didn’t you get the memo??

  110. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 5:14 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 3:38 pm
    steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    ————

    I remember one fool claiming the same about Stidham

    ——-

    About a thousand posters remember all this

    ————

    Yup…..they all remember the same guy vowing to no longer post if the Pats did not with the AFCE 3 years ago…….

  111. Sorry Zappe lovers. He’s still the backup even if Jones is sent packing. Barring injury he will never take another starting snap again.

  112. Patriots never needed Brady. Chad Pennington and Marc Bulger would have done the same thing, there is no doubt whatsoever. Tommy ain’t all that. FACT.

  113. There were definitely fans who compared Jones to Brady, and even some who compared Stidham to Brady.

    I wouldn’t say “most” – but there were more than a few posts here claiming that.

  114. There were definitely fans who compared Jones to Brady, and even some who compared Stidham to Brady.

    ±++++++(

    Just like Blichick the garbage, his fans have no clue.

  115. For 20 years Belichick was accustomed to having steak every Sunday, so maybe he’s pissed that he’s now having to settle for a Big Mac instead. I guess this is one way he’s trying to prove he can win without Brady – having his old DC run the offense. I guess he didn’t figure the players might not agree or dare to question his unorthodox methods that don’t make sense and don’t work. Good for Mac Jones.

  116. touchback6 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:22 pm
    tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.

    ————–

    They’re scarred NFL fans. The damage the Pats 2 dynasties did clearly affect their fandom and ability to enjoy their own teams.

    They buy every lie about the team that’s negative, to make themselves feel better about their own loser franchises. They’re just miserable people.

    ————

    So what’s your excuse for posting on about 15 other teams boards all the time? Hypocrite.

  117. Go look at any of the 2021 redraft sites. Mac Jones still goes top 10 in almost all of them.

  118. There is an elite QB available that Belichick wants because he wants to win but Kraft wants to collude along with the other owners causing a rift between them. It’s why Kraft was non commital about Belichick keeping his job next season.

  119. touchback6 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:22 pm
    tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.

    ————–

    They’re scarred NFL fans. The damage the Pats 2 dynasties did clearly affect their fandom and ability to enjoy their own teams.

    They buy every lie about the team that’s negative, to make themselves feel better about their own loser franchises. They’re just miserable people.
    ‐——————

    Actually the NFL is more about NOW and not living in the past!!! NFL..Not For Long.
    Pats fans still living in the past.

  120. He rubbed many people the wrong way with his poor attitude last year we had enough of that from Brady his last season in new England.

  121. LOL at all the Foxboro fans thinking this is high level chess by Belichick.

    Newsflash, other teams sometimes leak the truth. You don’t need to be a genius to realize the Mac doesn’t like Bill and his staff of despicable characters.
    Bill is a great coach, but without Brady sacrificing his life and salary, he won’t amount to anything more than a wild card birth at best.

  122. nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 5:38 pm
    Jimmypinthe416 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 5:14 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 3:38 pm
    steelcitywhiner says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
    Remember when folks posted on this site that Mac Jones was going to be the next Brady?

    ————

    I remember one fool claiming the same about Stidham

    ——-

    About a thousand posters remember all this

    ————

    Yup…..they all remember the same guy vowing to no longer post if the Pats did not with the AFCE 3 years ago…….

    ———-

    I wouldn’t pay any attention to him anymore unless you’re a betting man. Then, you take the opposite of what he says. Other than that people should stop arguing or paying any attention to him. He’s obviously like 17 years old.

  123. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 6:25 pm
    touchback6 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 2:22 pm
    tigerlilac says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:55 pm
    The Patriots have a 0.500 record during the last 3 rebuilding years. That’s better than any other AFC East team’s record from 2001 to 2018, the 18 years the Patriots went to the playoffs 16 times, the super bowl 9 times, and won 6 super bowls.

    Not exactly the horror show many want to pretend it is.

    ————–

    They’re scarred NFL fans. The damage the Pats 2 dynasties did clearly affect their fandom and ability to enjoy their own teams.

    They buy every lie about the team that’s negative, to make themselves feel better about their own loser franchises. They’re just miserable people.

    ————

    So what’s your excuse for posting on about 15 other teams boards all the time? Hypocrite.
    ————-
    He’s a troll.

  124. Personally I don’t want to see him traded due to him being the underwhelming QB of a divisional rival. Then again BB is a smart guy. And smart coaches/GMs usually don’t try and stand pat. Why not try and shop him if you think you have a better option available? In his rookie season he seemed like a Patriot guy, last year not so much. Mac seemed to get a bit of a head after making the Pro Bowl and getting a playoff berth. Nothing in the NFL is given, it’s all earned. Blame coaching all you want, but if you draft a guy in round 1 and is seemingly the future of your franchise, don’t you wanna see some flashes of that talent? Put the team on his back for a drive or for a game winner? It seemed like the Pats put up a decent record in spite of Mac’s play, not because of it.

  125. nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:12 pm

    nite2al says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:03 pm
    charliecharger says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:53 am

    Who drafted Mac Jones? Who evaluated Mac Jones? Who evaluated Tom Brady and had a sixth round grade on him? I’ve been watching football for over half a century, and it’s always been like this. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.
    ____________________

    Please. Brady was brought in as a camp arm

    ————

    Nobody will Ever make that claim about Lamar!!!
    __________________________________________

    Hate to break it to you, a camp arm is not a compliment. Idiots, you don’t move up in the draft to select a camp arm. You guys are funny. Lamar torched your Patriots for 5 TDs and you talk crap about him on the daily. Like 80% of you, Lamar put foot in your team and you call him names like you’re preschool. Take the L like a man.

  126. bullcharger says:
    April 4, 2023 at 4:14 pm
    What does “shopped” mean. People said BB was taking offers for Brady at one point but it turned out it was an unsolicited call from the 49ers and BB rejected it immediately.

    52Rate This

    —————–

    Exactly. The wording is important. Teams talk all the time. If you notice the “Lamar to the Pats” garbage that the Pats had to publicly address is timed alongside this made up story.

    My guess is Baltimore was possibly poking around to see if BB wanted Lamar in a deal and Mac’s name came up in return.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    The Ravens have themselves in a serious pickle right now, obviously. My money is on them because they’ve been caught doing this with Ray Rice and being peeved about Brady’s comment to “check the rulebook” which set off Framegate II, and took the attention of the Ravens’ Ray Rice cover up attempt.

    As you stated, GMs poke around and talk to one another all the time. It doesn’t mean BB hires Bill O’Brien and then immediately puts himself in a negative position by letting Hoyer walk and then only have Zappe going into the draft?

    It’s made up.

  127. Angel Valle says:
    April 4, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    He rubbed many people the wrong way with his poor attitude last year we had enough of that from Brady his last season in new England.

    —-
    And in Tampa.

    “It’s all Brady!” Ya tell that to Todd Bowles and the rest of his teammates. Just get outta here with that GOAT garbage. Not even CLOSE.

  128. Who cares anyway? Zappe and Mac are interchangeable like lego pieces when you step on them. They both hurt like hell.

  129. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 8:05 pm
    Angel Valle says:
    April 4, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    He rubbed many people the wrong way with his poor attitude last year we had enough of that from Brady his last season in new England.

    —-
    And in Tampa.

    “It’s all Brady!” Ya tell that to Todd Bowles and the rest of his teammates. Just get outta here with that GOAT garbage. Not even CLOSE.

    20Rate This

    ————

    That’s one Brady topic I will agree with you on. Brady controlled who the coach was, became the GM too, and led his team to an 8-9 record to show for it on his way out the door with an old and soon to be really bad football team.

    Goes to show you how well protected Brady was in NE in for 20 years.

  130. Bill is a great coach,

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How can a great HC know not much more about offense than Matt Patricia does (after 18 years with Brady)?

    How could the defense of a great HC routinely collapse in 4th quarters of big games? and couldn’t win even two playoff games?

  131. nite2al says:
    April 4, 2023 at 7:40 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:12 pm

    nite2al says:
    April 4, 2023 at 1:03 pm
    charliecharger says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:53 am

    Who drafted Mac Jones? Who evaluated Mac Jones? Who evaluated Tom Brady and had a sixth round grade on him? I’ve been watching football for over half a century, and it’s always been like this. We think the coach who has the best QB is smarter than all others.
    ____________________

    Please. Brady was brought in as a camp arm

    ————

    Nobody will Ever make that claim about Lamar!!!
    __________________________________________

    Hate to break it to you, a camp arm is not a compliment. Idiots, you don’t move up in the draft to select a camp arm. You guys are funny. Lamar torched your Patriots for 5 TDs and you talk crap about him on the daily. Like 80% of you, Lamar put foot in your team and you call him names like you’re preschool. Take the L like a man

    ————

    You claimed Lamar would get the biggest QB contract in history. As you can see, no team is interested in a guy who can’t hit the broad side of a barn and can’t win in the postseason. The Pats may be down now, but we had a great 20 year run. The Ravens can’t come close to matching that. And they won’t win Jack with Lamar.

  132. Pat fans are now talking like packer fans. Only difference is it’s the 1920s packer fans still talk about.

  133. That’s one Brady topic I will agree with you on. Brady controlled who the coach was, became the GM too, and led his team to an 8-9 record to show for it

    ———-

    Funny thing is, that was the record BB led the Pats to last season

  134. “It’s all Brady! Ya tell that to Todd Bowles and the rest of his teammates. Just get outta here with that GOAT garbage. Not even CLOSE.” And you conveniently waited until Brady was 45 years old to finally celebrate his decline. That’s what makes you so funny and fake. The guy won seven rings. No one will ever come close to that, period. Bill has no rings as a head coach without him.

  135. the source for the story is Steve Belichick

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just watched a video, and a possibility was mentioned that it was Belichick who leaked the info, so to put “he wants Mac Jones” on Kraft.

  136. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:21 am
    My BS meter is all the way to the right on this one. Since when does BB or the team leak this kind of info?

    ——————————————

    “Shopping” him requires talking to other teams, you know.

  137. I can’t think of ANY QB who made a big time splash in the NFL from The University of ALABAMA since Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler way back in the 70’s. Don’t you bammers start calling out Jalen Hurts name. He improved as a quarterback because he transferred to Oklahoma, not because of Nick Saban. Help me out, bammers. is there someone I’m missing?

  138. G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 8:05 pm
    Angel Valle says:
    April 4, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    He rubbed many people the wrong way with his poor attitude last year we had enough of that from Brady his last season in new England.

    —-
    And in Tampa.

    “It’s all Brady!” Ya tell that to Todd Bowles and the rest of his teammates. Just get outta here with that GOAT garbage. Not even CLOSE.
    ——-
    How convenient if you to ignore that Arians was a nobody and hadn’t won much before Brady arrived. As a matter of fact, Bucs were 7-9 the year before Brady and when he came they won the Super Bowl and nearly went to NFC championships the following year.

    What has belichick done meanwhile? Hmm … I’ll wait for you to tell me his accomplishments since Brady left.

  139. If Carolina picks Stroud… a trade of Mac/picks in exchange for #2, used to select Young?

  140. C’mon, Jones has a solid rookie season and not surprisingly regresses after Josh McDaniels is replaced with Matt Patricia. Give the guy a chance with Bill O’Brien as OC before dumping him.

  141. Seriously, what team would give up a 2nd round draft pick for Mac Jones? He’s a dud and most other teams know it. When did Bill Belichick ever give up a really good player?

  142. Mac Jones’ situation in 2022 was much better than what Trevor Lawrence had in 2021 with Urban Meyer. Yet you never saw Trevor pout and yell at his coaches despite the disaster around him. Trevor showed poised and leadership, Mac showed he is a spoiled brat. Not a good look.

  143. nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 8:58 pm
    That’s one Brady topic I will agree with you on. Brady controlled who the coach was, became the GM too, and led his team to an 8-9 record to show for it

    ———-

    Funny thing is, that was the record BB led the Pats to last season

    ——-

    Yeah, but for a guy who single handedly carried his awful team and awful coach to 9 super bowls and 6 chips that’s really puzzling. I mean why couldn’t he at least get the Bucs to .500 considering his super power abilities? Hmmmm

  144. “Per a source with knowledge of the situation“

    ————————-

    I have a reliable unnamed source that says this is just offseason hack reporting by starved sportswriters that lack the wherewithal to make money any other way.

    There is exactly as much proof or backing to my claim as there is to the one in the headline. Both statements are equally well supported.

  145. As much as I would love for this to be true I will press x to doubt on this one. Belichick would never allow something like this to leak out and plus Belichick kept Mac in despite the calls for Bailey Zappe to start for the entirety of last season save for the Bears game. The actions do not match the headline of this story.

  146. Here we go again.
    Belichick in Cleveland didn’t want Kosar, yet Art Modell loved him.
    Belichick in NE didn’t want Bledsoe but Kraft loved him. Belichick still in NE apparently doesn’t want Jones yet the owner loves him. Common result one way or the other, Belichick always got what he wanted. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones ends up leaving.

  147. Belichick would never allow something like this to leak out.

    ++++++++

    He can’t control a adult. He can control only if players believe that he can lead them to win SB, even making to AFCCG is not good enough.

    Belichick is utterly stupid to believe that he has a “culture” that can convince players. It was always that players believed in Tom Brady. No player gives a damn about what Belichick the garbage wants after 2 seasons without Brady, not mention that Mac Jones must thought that the garbage was ruining his career.

  148. bobhk says:
    April 4, 2023 at 11:02 pm
    G00dellMustGo says:
    April 4, 2023 at 8:05 pm
    Angel Valle says:
    April 4, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    He rubbed many people the wrong way with his poor attitude last year we had enough of that from Brady his last season in new England.

    —-
    And in Tampa.

    “It’s all Brady!” Ya tell that to Todd Bowles and the rest of his teammates. Just get outta here with that GOAT garbage. Not even CLOSE.
    ——-
    How convenient if you to ignore that Arians was a nobody and hadn’t won much before Brady arrived.
    ——-
    You mean the 2x NFL coach of the year, the only HC to with that award as an interim coach, the NFL record holder for coaching the biggest season to season turnaround and the Cardinals franchise record holder for coaching wins in a single season with Carson Palmer as his QB “is a nobody and hasn’t won much”? You sure? 🙂

    And let’s cool the noise that Winston’s 7-9 record was with the same team Brady had. I don’t recall Winston throwing to Gronk, AB and Fournette. Give him those weapons and I don’t eee why he couldn’t win a title.

    The only season Brady didn’t have an elite coach or even a great coach was this past season. The results speak for themselves. Time to flush “it’s all Brady” down the circular bowl where it belongs with everything else that gets flushed.

    Not even close to the greatest.

  149. I don’t recall Winston throwing to Gronk, AB and Fournette. Give him those weapons and I don’t eee why he couldn’t win a title.

    ++++++++++++

    FYI, Peyton and Rodgers were never able to score 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games, something Bucs needed to win SB, and you claim Winston could have done it?

    Don’t bring up “Brady did all” misleading BS. It is always about who was the engine behind Patriots dynasty, Brady or Belichick. You still believe belichick the garbage was the engine?

  150. Bottom line.

    Chad Pennington or Marc Bulger had they been drafted by NE instead of Brady would have given the team the same outcome. No doubt at all about that.

    If NE didn’t pick him Tommy would be riding the bus every day for the rest of his career as a minor league baseball player.

  151. bradygirl12 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 4:21 pm
    If there is any truth to this, Jones will forever be in Belichick’s dog house. Ask any guy who has ever crossed him. New England went from dynasty to dumpster fire is a few short years.

    —————-

    I don’t know. I don’t think we should be too depressed. Made the playoffs and then barely missed last year with some obvious problems. BB can still coach’em up. A dumpster fire is more like the Bears. If the Patriots are going to contend Mac has to work out this year, or they have to find a top 10 QB soon. Otherwise 8-9 wins is a reality for any team with a mediocre QB regardless of the quality of coaching.

    I am trying to treat last year like an anomaly, but I don’t have high confidence that Mac is the guy.

  152. “Dumpster fire” lol.

    I take it there are lots of 21st century Patriots fans who have never seen a truly bad Patriots team. Understandable. It’s been decades.

  153. “I don’t recall Winston throwing to Gronk, AB and Fournette.” Brady handpicked all of those players. Meanwhile, general manager Belichick hasn’t won a championship let alone a division title with the Patriots with his cheap roster since GOAT Tom left. Remind me how many interceptions Winston threw with his “stacked offense” and “elite coaching” in Tampa.

  154. Did he shop Mac Jones after Jimmy Garoppolo signed with the Raiders? My guess is if a team was going to give him good value for Jones he can sign Garoppolo to replace him. maybe he was hoping Texans, Raiders and another team would get into a little bidding war. That’s part of his job as a GM. Just like when he supposedly offered the 49ers Brady in 2017. Trade a 40 year old QB (no one knew Brady would be that effective in his 40’s) and keep the 26 year old QB. If you can get full value for a player and then replace without compensation then you are ahead of the game.

  155. Ztoa says:Don’t bring up “Brady did all” misleading BS.

    ______

    Any of this ring a bell with you?

    Belichick and the coaches are garbage
    The defense was a “paper tiger”
    The weapons Brady had to throw to were “cheap”

    What exactly does that leave besides Brady “doing it all”?

    Even if you never said the exact words, everything else you have written communicates that point. I’ve never seen you give credit to ANY OTHER Patriots coach or player. Just Brady.

    So, its not BS for the original OP to make that comment, in fact, its pretty justified.

  156. What exactly does that leave besides Brady “doing it all”?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This thread is too long, so let me make it simple :

    Belichick is a garbage because his defense was supposed to carry 60% of the load but only 40% (meaning Brady didn’t “do it all”)

    With Brady, Patriots were a Boeing plane. Without Brady? a glider that has no chance at all climbing over high mountains.

  157. jameshodges says:
    April 5, 2023 at 3:21 pm
    “I don’t recall Winston throwing to Gronk, AB and Fournette.” Brady handpicked all of those players.
    —-
    Great so let’s stop saying nonsense like “Brady won a title with the same team that was 7-9 the year before”. It wasn’t.

    Winston would have done it too with those weapons there is zero doubt about that. Just like Tommy with ZERO winning seasons
    sans elite coaching. Sums it up better than I ever could.

  158. FYI, Peyton and Rodgers were never able to score 24 or more in 3 consecutive playoff games, something Bucs needed to win SB, and you claim Winston could have done it?
    ==========

    Can’t talk about Brady without insulting others. Small man syndrome.

    Winstons offense, 2019 – 3rd
    Winstons defense, 2019 – 29th (third to last..)… only +9 in point differential

    Bradys offense, 2020 – 3rd… no improvement, despite importing an all-star team
    Bradys defense, 2020 – 8th.. they allowed nearly 100 less points

  159. “Bradys offense, 2020 – 3rd… no improvement, despite importing an all-star team” Yeah, an all-star team that Brady assembled that several people doubted throughout the entirety of the season. Did you forget about the 30 interceptions and NFL-record seven pick sixes Winston threw in 2019? So much for having the third ranked offense.

  160. Mac should grow up. He should stop grumbling, pouting. He should be humble and listen to Bill Belichick and learn. Even Tom realized after he’s with the Bucs that the Patriots makes sure that their players were put in a good position and are ready when they hit the field. They are disciplined. Tom must have seen a different standard with the Bucs.

  161. jokersc says:
    April 5, 2023 at 7:54 am
    nhpats2011 says:
    April 4, 2023 at 8:58 pm
    That’s one Brady topic I will agree with you on. Brady controlled who the coach was, became the GM too, and led his team to an 8-9 record to show for it

    ———-

    Funny thing is, that was the record BB led the Pats to last season

    ——-

    Yeah, but for a guy who single handedly carried his awful team and awful coach to 9 super bowls and 6 chips that’s really puzzling. I mean why couldn’t he at least get the Bucs to .500 considering his super power abilities? Hmmmm

    ————-

    9 SBs and 6 chips suggest that team was not as awful as is being said here.

  162. Just keeping it real.

    Belichick imo should have been fired after last season’s debacle. No explanation necessary. Any other coach would have been.

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