Carson Palmer: Joe Burrow is better than Patrick Mahomes

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Nothing spices up a cold news cycle like a hot take. And Carson Palmer has a scorcher.

Palmer, former quarterback of the Bengals, Raiders, and Cardinals, believes that the current Cincy starter is better than the NFL’s present standard bearer at the position, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes.

“I think Joe is the best quarterback in the league,” Carson Palmer recently said on The QB Room podcast, hosted by his brother, Jordan, via CincyJungle.com. “I know Patrick [Mahomes] is phenomenal, but I just think Joe’s more consistent. He’s more consistent. He’s more accountable to run the system and the play that’s called and not feel like, ‘Well, he didn’t win last time and get open for me, so I’m gonna do it with my feet,’ and then before you know it, you’re sacked for a four-yard loss because you tried to make two or three guys miss. Joe is just — talk about not having a weakness. Mentally strong, physically tough, accurate, can throw it far enough, fast enough, gets the ball out quick, and then he can actually do a lot with his legs.”

That remark assumes that Carson Palmer has an abundance of inside knowledge regarding the manner in which Mahomes runs an offense. Basically, Carson gives Burrow the edge because he doesn’t freelance as much as Mahomes. Without knowing the system intimately, it’s hard to know when a guy is doing something other than he’s been told to do.

And while the best quarterbacks in today’s NFL know how to turn chicken shit into chicken salad when the play that’s called doesn’t work, Carson Palmer is suggesting that Mahomes pivots away too quickly from the play that’s called, based on an assumption that, because a player struggled to get open on a prior play, he’ll struggle again on this play.

That’s a high standard to put on Mahomes, especially when Mahomes has proven time and again that his approach works. Also, Mahomes doesn’t have Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins on the outside. If one of Mahomes’s receivers has shown an inability to beat the man covering him on a given day, why shouldn’t Mahomes anticipate that it will continue and plan accordingly?

While Burrow is absolutely great — and he becomes even greater in the postseason — Mahomes has the hardware. Burrow doesn’t. Until one of the other short-list franchise quarterbacks in today’s NFL (Mahomes, Burrow, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, Trevor Lawrence) get a ring, Mahomes remains the undisputed king.

139 responses to “Carson Palmer: Joe Burrow is better than Patrick Mahomes

  1. Carson Palmer? The Carson Palmer that never won a Super bowl is saying that Burrow is better than 2-time Super Bowl winner Mahomes? Funny.

    Carson is just being a Cincinatti homer.

  2. I love Joe Burrows game, but what more do you need to see from Mahomes? Dude is the best in the league now and arguably one of the best ever.

  3. Lets please not start this again. They are both great and Carson Palmer’s opinion doesnt matter.

  4. I like Burrow a lot, but right now he has as much chance of replicating Marino’s career (0-1) as he does getting multiple rings

  5. That’s part of today’s debating style. Declare something that’s not true in absolutes so that you get attention. He’s got three starting wide receivers and hasn’t even had better stats than him, let alone no Super Bowl wins to two.

  6. Simple measure of success, one has 2 Super Bowls rings, the other zero.

    End of discussion.

  7. I agree with Palmer. Once Mahomes gets a bit older, some of the magic will slowly disappear (much like Russell Wilson). But both Mahomes & Burrow are the elite QBs right now.

  8. Carson Palmer just wants his name out there, so he says something controversial about Burrow and Mahomes. It’s just a desperate plea for attention.

  9. When Burrow reaches the level of enshrinement that comes with getting phony calls your way in Super Bowls then I’ll believe he’s better than Mahomes.

  10. So basically he’s saying Burrow is better because Burrow doesn’t have the ability to improvise when the play breaks down and Mahomes does? oooookay….Thanks for more bulletin board material for the 2x SMVP & 2X MVP

  11. Mahomes has had a great offensive line (except the Super Bowl against Tampa Bay – you know…when they didn’t score a single TD), Travis Kelce, and (until last year) Tyreek Hill. So stop with the whole “Burrow has Chase and Higgins” argument. They are the both among the top four Quarterbacks in the NFL. There’s plenty of room for all opinions.

  12. Not sure why Palmer would say this. I guess he needs “look at me” attention. Sad. He is largely a forgotten player.

  13. Burrow might age better than Mahomes. A lot of Mahomes’ game is predicated on the scramble/second chance play. Other than that you can’t put anyone over Mahomes.

  14. Go Carson! I don’t thing you are right ( or wrong) about this, but it’s fun to watch Mahomes groupies getting triggered!

  15. We know why Mike is hyping up Mahommes, but the question that has to be asked is: Without referees throwing game after game after game… How many Super Bowls does Mahommes have? How many does he make it to? The answer to both is zero.

    Burrow plays every week against not just the opposing teams but also the Zebras and has made it to the big dance DESPITE the Zebras best efforts.

    Talent and skill wise in the NFL it’s Joe Burrow then everyone else in the fat distance.

  16. chue says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:56 pm
    Mahomes has had a great offensive line (except the Super Bowl against Tampa Bay – you know…when they didn’t score a single TD), Travis Kelce, and (until last year) Tyreek Hill. So stop with the whole “Burrow has Chase and Higgins” argument. They are the both among the top four Quarterbacks in the NFL. There’s plenty of room for all opinions.

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    There is room for only one opinion. Mahomes is clearly the better player with a way better resume.

  17. milehigh777 says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:58 pm
    Not sure why Palmer would say this. I guess he needs “look at me” attention. Sad. He is largely a forgotten player.
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    NOT QUITE milehigh777…I don’t think Carson Palmer needs much of anything…and if he wanted attention hed be an announcer

    According to Tuesday’s report, Palmer said “I have $80 million in the bank. I don’t have to play football for money. I’ll play it for the love of the game but that would have to be elsewhere. I’m prepared to live my life.”

  18. Teams win Superbowls not QBs. YES great QBs go along way helping get you there. Maholmes is the most exciting QB to watch play right now. For me Dan Marino was the best QB of all time. One could only imagine what he would have done playing under the rules of todays NFL. Everything now a days favors the QB. can’t really compare QBs of today with QBs of yesteryear. Not even playing the same game anymore.

  19. Well, that’s his opinion, but these QB comparisons are over the top. I would much rather compare teams because at the end of the day, that’s all that matters. But Burrow, no. I see a guy who has the best weapons, a running game, solid D and he is not asked to do too much like Mahomes, Allen and Jackson. Allen was a one man show in that playoff game. You need a supporting cast. How many big leads did the Ravens squander last year? Also, people seem to gloss over the fact that Burrow was looking up at the Ravens each time Lamar was injured. That means something and he probably never makes that SB run without that injury. But injuries are part of the game and I can accept that. I still would take Mahomes over Burrow. Burrow may be the most technically sound QB out there. But certainly not every NFL play goes as scripted. In today’s game, you need a bonafide playmaker when things breakdown, and that’s where Mahomes has Burrow beat. The biggest plays Mahomes made through the playoffs and SB were with his feet, not his arm. Don’t get it twisted, playing off script is a QB measurable too. Do you want the best QB or the best team? And while we are one the subject, if Burrow is so great, where are the individual awards and team awards? No All Pros, no MVPs and no SB trophy, ziltch. Well, he did finally make the Pro Bowl after Lamar beat him out the year before. I guess he can hang his hat on that and your sterling opinions.

  20. Meh, this is a hot take, but only a mildly hot one. I think, as most people do, Mahomes is the #1 QB right now, but I also don’t think he’s so much better than the Burrow/Allen/etc. group to make it indisputable. I also think that FLorio’s argument about Chase and Higgins is pretty weak – it’s not like Mahomes hasn’t had weapons. Although he didn’t have Tyreek Hill this past season, Hill also proved that he’s exactly as good as he looked with Mahomes with a lesser QB, and I’d argue that the combination of Hill and Travis Kelce is a better duo than Chase and Higgins, particularly given that an intelligent, mobile and skilled TE is important to Mahomes’s improvisational style.

  21. peachskins says:
    I love Joe Burrow’s game, but what more do you need to see from Mahomes? Dude is the best in the league now and arguably one of the best ever.

    It’s not arguable in my mind. Mahomes is already one of the best ever and should continue to move up the list the longer he plays.

  22. Mahomes is #1 in rating and playoff rating and he’s a 2x SB Champion, league MVP, and 2x SB MVP. Joe Burrow?

  23. In the context of Palmer’s argument, I agree with him except Mahomes is able to overcome the flaws Palmer pointed out at this point in his career. Mahomes is the champ right now. Let’s have this discussion maybe 5 years later.

  24. Palmer brings the argument of consistency to defend his case, but who’s more consistent at winning games, reaching the SB, winning the SB ?

  25. “Without referees throwing game after game after game… How many Super Bowls does Mahommes have? How many does he make it to? The answer to both is zero.”

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    I didn’t know the zebras also voted for the MVP. What favor is Carson Palmer trying to finagle from the Bengals? He should emulate his compatriot USC QBs and fade into oblivion. How come NFL teams fall for the pom-pom wielding cheerleaders in the media, who promote anything West coast?

  26. Insomniac says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    Just like Manning was better than Brady.
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    Nothing strikes a nerve more in Pats’ fandom than when you say Manning was better, which he was. You got the rings, NE faithful, must you have it all? The best barometer for this is ask defensive players of that time. They will routinely say the feared Manning more than Brady, but feared the Patriots more than the Colts.

  27. Yeah. And he was saying the Bungles were better than the Steelers, when he played. Keep dreamin’, Carson.

  28. I am HUGE Burrow fan.

    Mahomes is the greatest football player who ever lived.

  29. I’m not interested in why Palmer would make such comments. Mahomes has been the greatest QB in the NFL since he stepped on the field his second year and produced 50TD’s and 5,000 yards.

    He’s much better than JB off schedule, and he has a much stronger arm overall. His overall numbers-the ones that count-and the nearly 80% winning percentage are unmatched for a player in during his first 5 years. In addition, his record when trailing by 10 points or more is insane….

  30. milehigh777 says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:58 pm
    Not sure why Palmer would say this. I guess he needs “look at me” attention. Sad. He is largely a forgotten player.

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    He’s probably trying to stick it to the Bengals. He knows how cheap they are and probably felt slated that they wouldn’t keep paying him.

    An extension is in the works for Burrow, so why not stoke that fire and give him more ammunition to break that Cincinnati bank?

  31. Even last year, I thought the Chiefs looked pedestrian with their terrible receivers, and they still led the league in scoring. Somehow Burrow is better though with three legit starting receivers and a better RB, lol. But I understand we’re in post truth America. Just say what you want to be true and challenge anyone with the facts that show you’re full of it.

  32. Mahomes’ team just won a SB with him on his second contract. Let’s see how Burrow does when he starts eating up 30% of Cincy’s cap.

  33. What exactly did Carson Palmer ever win? Burrow is good he’ll be great when he matches Mahommes in Lombardis…end of story.

  34. The only thing dumber than the constant who’s better hypothetical conversations is the people that say “He has more Championships so case closed!” If you think one player controls who wins Championships you know nothing about sports. Several players had to make plays or not make mistakes during Playoff games for Mahomes to win Super Bows. He didn’t do it himself and Burrow had nothing to do with the bad calls or defensive mistakes at the end of his Super Bowl. As soon as someone says that you know they are a novice sports fan.

  35. Palmer has a whole room full of trophies and awards. The only thing he doesn’t have is a Super Bowl ring. I don’t think Palmer is a bum. He can talk if he wants to.

  36. THe meassure of any great quarterback depends on three things….MVP titles, stats and Super Bowl wins.

    Burrows and Mahomes both have great stats, but so far, only Mahomes has 2 Super Bowl MVP, 2 MVPs, and two Super Bowl wins. To say that Burrow is better or even as good makes no sense.

    Being in Cincinati, Burrows may end up like Dan Marino with grats stats including a lot of wins, but no rings. Time will tell.

  37. Joe Burrow may have had back to back SB titles if his offensive line didn’t let him down. It got abused by Aaron Donald in the SB and by Chris Jones in AFCC. If the Bengals ever figure their offensive line out, they will win multiple championships with Burrow.

  38. The Quitters’ take on any damn thing related to the NFL means squat. He’s the most over rated non-winningest QB of all time. Sucked as leader too.
    All hat. No cattle.

  39. grant35 says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:45 pm
    Yeah. And he was saying the Bungles were better than the Steelers, when he played. Keep dreamin’, Carson.
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    Yup. Thank goodness for the Squealers that Kimo Von Olhoffen took that cheap shot to Palmer’s knee. You know….typical cheap shot Squealers crap.

  40. KC fan here – does it really matter what a retired QB who won nothing has to say?
    Reality is that some AFC teams have their young, franchise QB’s that will keep them in contention yearly.
    AFC fans – if you don’t root for KC, Buffalo, CIncy, Jacksonville or LA Chargers then sit down.
    Mahomes has 2 and will likely get more along the way. But, Burrow and Allen will probably end up with a Lombardi as well.

  41. Mahomes fanboys just hate when Patrick is even slightly dissed. I can play this game too. Joe Burrow is not blessed enough to have had his whole career plane for one of the great offensive coaches of all time at head coach. See how that works?

  42. Ok. The same Josh Allen is supposed yo be the second coming of Payton Manning but with a better team and definitely better skill players and weapons hasn’t won squat. Im waiting for the three Joe Burrow super bowl wins. Clock’s ticking…

  43. So he comments on Mahomes taking too many sacks by going off script, but has he bothered to take a look at the sack numbers of both QBs? Because if he did, he would realize his argument makes no sense. He loses all credibility making that a basis of his analysis.

    Besides, anyone who tries to say anyone is better than Mahomes at this point is just being a contrarian. There’s no debate right now until one of these other QBs wins an MVP and/or a Super Bowl, and even then they have more work to do. All of this “in a vacuum” nonsense about certain players being better in a given situation is hogwash. Mahomes carries and wills his team to victory in a way nobody else can, on top of having untouchable numbers statistically, and that’s all there is to it.

  44. The only thing dumber than the constant who’s better hypothetical conversations is the people that say “He has more Championships so case closed!” If you think one player controls who wins Championships you know nothing about sports. Several players had to make plays or not make mistakes during Playoff games for Mahomes to win Super Bows. He didn’t do it himself and Burrow had nothing to do with the bad calls or defensive mistakes at the end of his Super Bowl. As soon as someone says that you know they are a novice sports fan.

    Sounds like another crybaby Bengals fan. Win a Lombardi and you can someone dumb until then stop being a little poor sport Bengals weenie. Hike up your big boy pants and try to think …just don’t make rationalizations for losing.

  45. Lol. Stop it. Results matter. Burrows is very good. But he isn’t Mahomes. Nobody is right now. I don’t care if Mahomes freelances every single play. If so, that’s even more impressive.

  46. The other one is when you point out that people making asinine statements are wrong, then you have to be a “fanboy.” I can guarantee you I’m not a fan of the Chiefs. How you feel about a team has no bearing on the facts and truth, and for those saying it doesn’t matter, it does matter when you bend the truth to make your argument. We had this same stupid thing go on a year ago when people were saying Justin Herbert was just as good as him. Ah, no. I also love the off-script nonsense. Is that why Burrow gets sacked so much? Because I’ll go out on a limb and say passes like that one in the championship game to Higgins where he just threw it up was not some scripted play.

  47. How does Justin Herbert keep ending up on these lists? I keep checking to see what I missed.

  48. Child Please this is the same dude that QUIT on the Bengals back in the day and demanded a trade then he was terrible for my Raiders. Shut it dude weak sauce take by you.

  49. Or Trevor Lawrence for that matter. Surprised they didn’t include Dak and Deshaun Watson. I’ll take QBs who get recognised for being elite but have accomplished nothing for $100 Alex

  50. hootowl says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:23 pm
    Lawrence gets his next year!!! DUUUVAL!!!!!

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    Totally agree. By next year people will be lying to themselves saying Lawrence is better too. Just like they lied about Allen and Burrow. It’s weird how much people are trying to replace Mahomes as the top QB and ignore the only other guy who elevates a mediocre team to one that wins 75% of their games. I think the reasons are related

  51. Mahomes is ALL- World and yet he’s been handled both championships on a silver platter by the refs, so its difficult (like Matthew Stafford and Joe Flacco’s case) if he is really a champion or not. We will never know until the refs let the star players win the championships without significant help.

  52. Good article. The crux of the issue is Palmer’s claim about WHY Mahomes makes the decision he does on any given play. How would he know that? Did he ask Mahomes?

  53. If I’m a team that has either of them, I’m completely happy with who I have. Don’t think that can be said for any other franchise other than maybe Buffalo.
    But this debate is nonsense.
    Both players need help to win. One only has to watch Burrow’s and Mahomes’ Super Bowl losses what happens when you don’t have a decent offensive line in front of you. Each quarterback has accomplished a lot in a short period of time, with Mahomes having won two titles and never having missed an AFC championship game in his career, and Burrow has managed to do the seemingly impossible – making the Bengals a title contender and removing the stigma of the Bungles for the foreseeable future.
    This will be/is the best rivalry of the decade.
    Enjoy it while it lasts.

  54. lindebr1 says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:38 pm
    Simple measure of success, one has 2 Super Bowls rings, the other zero.

    End of discussion.
    By this logic Trent Dilfer is better that Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon , Dan Fouts and Fran Tarkenton.

  55. radar773 says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:16 pm
    Carson Palmer? The Carson Palmer that never won a Super bowl is saying that Burrow is better than 2-time Super Bowl winner Mahomes? Funny.

    I think Carson Palmer knows NFL QBs better than you.

  56. Carson Palmer…a guest on his brother’s podcast? So this is what old (once very good) QB’s do to kill time. Despite being wrong…this comment will make him relevant for a day or two.

  57. Matching two NFL QB’s against each other is absurd in a team sport. Have them switch teams for more info.

  58. Umm.. Carson Palmer is biased because 1) Burrow is a fellow Bengal, and 2) Burrow is trained by Carson’s brother Jordan. Why don’t we ask Alex Smith and Jackson Mahomes which QB is better?

  59. I just think it’s weird that Trevor Lawrence made your list of top qbs

  60. Mahomes, is the better of the two. Imagine the bengals receivers with Mahomes…..dynasty

  61. The titles argument is weak. A middling QB wins 1 out of every 5 SBs (ie. nick foles). Doesn’t make Foles better than anyone.

    Mahomes landed in a great spot. Andy Reid won 3 out of the previous 5 afc west divisions with Alex Smith for crying out loud. Could mahomes turn around a pathetic franchise like burrow and Allen? We don’t know.

    Heck, he lost a SB and everybody screamed poor Patty doesn’t have an offensive line. It was better than the one burrow had or Allen has currently.

    Sorry, I give more points when you turn around loser franchises and don’t have HOF head coach, or the greatest TE ever, or the top offensive line.

  62. The guy with zero Super Bowls and zero MVPs is better than the guy with 2 of each? OK, Carson LOL

  63. Teams win Superbowls. So if you take those out, Mahomes has an regular season MVP and a season with 5k yds passing and 50 TDs. Come back when Burrow does something similar and we can talk. Now if you add back in the two SBs and two SB MVPs, Burrow has a lot of catching up to do.

  64. Well Carson, we all knew that already. Burrow is the next TB12 and will be around longer than Patrick. It’s no secret the next GOAT is in Cincy

  65. “nite2al says:

    Nothing strikes a nerve more in Pats’ fandom than when you say Manning was better, which he was. You got the rings, NE faithful, must you have it all? The best barometer for this is ask defensive players of that time. They will routinely say the feared Manning more than Brady, but feared the Patriots more than the Colts.”

    Peyton was feared bc he was one of the best at reading Ds and making the right call at the moment. BB was best against him for the exact same reason. They both made changes at the LoS and essentially flipped a coin as to whether or not they were in the right play.

  66. But when the system isn’t working, can you freelance? That’s what puts players on the highest of high levels and what can keep you in games you shouldn’t be in and win. It can also hurt you when you are out-manned vs a great defense. See: John Elway as example. Mahomes is modern day Elway with a great offensive-minded play caller from day one. Burrow could end up as Marino for all we know.

  67. Joe Burrow is Kirk Cousins with Elite Receivers and a better defense. There is Absolutely NOTHING Burrows does that Mahomes can’t do but there are a bazillion things Mahomes does that Burrows CAN’T DO. This is like someone trying to argue that the ROTARY PHONE is in the same league or better than the iPHONE.

    All Palmer did was confirmed Joe Burrow is a GLORIFIED GAME MANAGER who is a fish out of water when the plays gets disrupted/ Breaksdown. Patrick Mahomes is the SYSTEM since you CAN’T SCRIPT OFF SCHEDULE PLAYS another ELEMENT that puts him on a different stratosphere, He can make plays up in the huddle if he wants and have MAGIC takes place.

  68. nite2al says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:19 pm
    Well, that’s his opinion, but these QB comparisons are over the top. I would much rather compare teams because at the end of the day, that’s all that matters. But Burrow, no. I see a guy who has the best weapons, a running game, solid D and he is not asked to do too much like Mahomes, Allen and Jackson

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    Jackson? Please child….

  69. nite2al says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:41 pm
    Insomniac says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:30 pm
    Just like Manning was better than Brady.
    ________________

    Nothing strikes a nerve more in Pats’ fandom than when you say Manning was better, which he was. You got the rings, NE faithful, must you have it all? The best barometer for this is ask defensive players of that time. They will routinely say the feared Manning more than Brady, but feared the Patriots more than the Colts.

    Both were outstanding QBs, but Brady had the intangibles that pushed him over the top. Even Manning, not to mention Montana, Marino, Elway and everyone else in the discussion, acknowledges that Brady was the best. For the record, I’m not a Patriots fan, but I am a football fan.

  70. Carson Palmer hates the bengals. Surprised he’d say nice things about burrow but maybe he’s trying to inflate him hoping for some contract drama. I’m a bengals fan, and once again I disagree with Carson Palmer. The only reason I’d have taken burrow over mahomes was the contract and that’s about to change.

  71. farvergnugen says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:56 pm
    Mahomes’ team just won a SB with him on his second contract. Let’s see how Burrow does when he starts eating up 30% of Cincy’s cap.

    I really like Burrow, but Mahomes also just won his 2nd SB while playing on a gimpy ankle. I’m not saying Burrow isn’t tough, but I am saying Mahomes is absolutely tough as nails and has the heart of a champion. Burrow may match Mahomes at some point, but he’s not there yet and neither is anyone else.

  72. My metrics is pretty simple, the more playoff wins the better. Not necessarily Super Bowl rings. Since the playoff is a one game elimination process so every game is the Super Bowl. Stats are there to confirm you play a big part in making to the playoff. As Aaron Rodgers once said winning regular season games is to earn your paycheck but winning playoff games is staking out your legacy. Stats also confirm you’re not being carried by a stout defense or running game. So stats have their place. But what good is getting the one seed when you can’t win a game against the worst team? Piling up playoff wins is a better measure than just winning one ring like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. The key is to win playoff games consistently year after year. That’s why we value players like Montana, Elway, Brady, Manning, etc… Of course, Super Bowl wins are the tie breaker when stats and wins are similar. Just look at the elite players we cherish in history, their playoff records bear that out.

    Right now, Mahomes is the king because he fits the description.

  73. Dave Daddachef says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:17 pm
    Teams win Superbowls not QBs.
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    At lease someone “GET’S IT”!

  74. Burrow has a better arm, But Mohomes is better at doing those extra things that win games, like extending plays, scrambling to keeping drives alive, and faking injuries.

  75. RINGS, RINGS, WHO’S GOT MORE?
    MICHAEL JORDAN HAS 6
    BILL RUSSELL HAS 11
    TALK TALK TALK

  76. He could’ve worded that way differently without putting Mahomes down and not sound as crazy. Carson is just trying to get into the Bengals Ring of Honor.

  77. nite2al says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:41 pm
    Insomniac says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    Just like Manning was better than Brady.
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    Nothing strikes a nerve more in Pats’ fandom than when you say Manning was better, which he was. You got the rings, NE faithful, must you have it all? The best barometer for this is ask defensive players of that time. They will routinely say the feared Manning more than Brady, but feared the Patriots more than the Colts.

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    Now if you’re referring to ELI MANNING well then Yea, his teams got the best of the Goat TB12 BUTTTTT……. Please don’t talk about “Regular Season Great” Peyton Manning in the same Conversation as TB12 in regards to the Playoffs, it’s DISRESPECTFUL. P Manning got CARRIED to both of his SuperBowl Wins, 1st time it was Rhodes/Addai , 2nd time was Von Miller. “Playoff Peyton” was a Shell of his Regular Season Self passing for 3 TD’s and 5 INT’s in 4 SuperBowl appearances!! But PFT commenters will Boost him up like he was a Super Bowl GOD of some sorts Lol

  78. For all the “Mahomes game is best on improvising and scrambling” people did you all miss the Super bowl he just won with a high ankle sprain?

  79. In my opinion- Palmer’s comment are egregious, outrageous, AND preposterous.

    My follow up question would have been- “Who told you to put on that balm?! Did I tell you to put on a balm?!”

  80. You can agree or disagree with Boomer without denigrating him. As for the oft stated reason that Mahomes is better than Burrow because he has 2 rings, Jim Plunkett has 2 rings. Is he the equal of Mahomes then and better than Burrow? Perhaps Mahomes and Burrow are both really good franchise QBs. Then again neither one of them is as good as Joe Montana. Period. Full stop. Oh and the original and real Joe Cool has 4 rings.

  81. That just show you how bias former players are for their teams. Both QB’s are really good but one has won a couple of SB’s and that alone gives Mahomes the edge.

  82. Chue says: Kimo took out Carson’s knee blah blah blah

    Squealers 6 Lombardi’s, Bungles 0-3 in Super Bowl. I like the effort, though.

  83. Gosh, if my team had better players, we would be the bestest team of all time!

    Fanboy Central

  84. watchoutnfl says:
    April 9, 2023 at 8:53 pm

    Both were outstanding QBs, but Brady had the intangibles that pushed him over the top. Even Manning, not to mention Montana, Marino, Elway and everyone else in the discussion, acknowledges that Brady was the best. For the record, I’m not a Patriots fan, but I am a football fan.

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    Do those intangibles include illegally spying on your opponents for 7 years before getting caught?

  85. Vasteelerfan says:
    April 9, 2023 at 5:40 pm

    The only thing dumber than the constant who’s better hypothetical conversations is the people that say “He has more Championships so case closed!” If you think one player controls who wins Championships you know nothing about sports. Several players had to make plays or not make mistakes during Playoff games for Mahomes to win Super Bows. He didn’t do it himself and Burrow had nothing to do with the bad calls or defensive mistakes at the end of his Super Bowl. As soon as someone says that you know they are a novice sports fan.
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    Sounds like another crybaby Bengals fan. Win a Lombardi and you can someone dumb until then stop being a little poor sport Bengals weenie. Hike up your big boy pants and try to think …just don’t make rationalizations for losing.
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    Thanks for proving my point. No, I`m from Indy and i know Manning certainly didn`t win that Super Bowl by himself. You clearly know nothing about football. So Big Ben won those Super Bowls by himself? James Harrison`s return had nothing to do with who won the game? Santana Holmes catch had nothing to do with who won the game? Being arrogant and making assumptions doesn`t make you right!

  86. LOL, Carson kicked the Bengals in the groin on the way out the door, although the Bengals did get two #1 from the Raiders. Now he is kicking them in the groin again, by helping (not that they needed it) Team Burrow get even more $$ and leverage against the Bengals.

  87. Hm…..let’s count rings. Patrick Mahomes: 2. Joe Burrow: 0. Next question, please.

  88. 1. I think both QBs are elite. There is absolutely no need to rank them with respect to one another. Both are capable of leading a team to a championship.

    2. That said, PLEASE stop using the argument that winning SBs is evidence that one QB is better than another. Unless you want us to believe Trent Dilfer is superior to Dan Marino.

  89. This argument is silly. Those of you saying Mahomes has 2 Super Bowl wins, MVP’s etc…he’s been in the league twice as long as Burrow has. Those of you saying Mahomes landed in a much better situation initially than Burrow did, while true, it does not take away one iota from his accomplishments. Those of you saying if Mahomes had Chase and Higgins…um, he has had a top 10 WR and the best TE in the game on the field together in all but one year of his career. Burrow took over a 2-14 football team who hadn’t won a playoff game in 30 years and made it relevant again.

    What both of these guys have done in their short careers is extremely impressive. Mahomes is a baller. Burrow is a baller. They’re 1-1 against each other in AFC championship games. There are many more battles to come. It’s the 2020’s version of Manning vs Brady. Who cares who anyone thinks is better. Enjoy the ride.

  90. Quarterbacks look great when they have established targets at WR, TE and RB positions, combined with an effective pass blocking OL. If you look at Mahomes, he’s sacked at a rate of 1.5 times a game (Andy Reid understands protecting the QB). Burrow is sacked 3 times a game. Mahomes has never been sacked more than 28 times in a season. Burrow has never been sacked less than 32 times (and that was his first season which ended in injury after 10 games). Mahomes came into KC with an established winning coach, 4 straight winning seasons. Burrow came into Cinci with a new coach and 4 straight losing seasons. The teams make the player successful or not. I think Burrow has had to do more with less than Mahomes had to. Burrow needs a better pass blocking OL, more targets, then we can really compare. Mahomes has trophies, but credit is really to Reid (as KC would still win without Mahomes). Cinci would not win without Burrow.

  91. I’m surprised Mahomes doesn’t make more mistakes. At times he seems careless with the ball, but it almost always works out. Until that changes, he’s the guy.

  92. PFT posters have a lovefest with Burrow. Not sure why. No hardware, avg QB stats. Even Lamar, of all QBs, had a better QBR. Can only barely beat the Ravens when Lamar isn’t there. I mean, what is it guys? His suits? LOL.

  93. Insomniac says:
    April 9, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    Just like Manning was better than Brady.
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    From a pure talent standpoint Peyton Manning was better than Brady. In fact many QBs were/are better than Brady as far as talent goes. Brady is probably the greatest clutch QB in the history of the NFL. In the case of Manning or say Dan Marino, the Patriots were the better overall team. Manning & Marino’s teams just didn’t have the defenses that Brady did with the Patriots.

  94. Actually thinking about this more. Around year 4 of Carson Palmer’s career the question locally in Cincinnati that made people mad was “who is better, Ben or Carson?” Carson had that pocket passer presence and everything just looked prettier, but Ben was winning and his off script stuff was great. The obvious question became “put Ben behind Willie Anderson, Levi Jones and Richie Braham and would he be better? Put Palmer behind the busted lines that Ben keeps getting beat up behind or having to avoid sacks with some of those busted plays and how would Palmer do. I think it was obvious that Palmer would fold and what made Ben so great was the unscripted plays. Same deal with Mahomes, the unscripted stuff is what makes him so great. Can’t replicate it.

  95. From a pure talent standpoint Peyton Manning was better than Brady. In fact many QBs were/are better than Brady as far as talent goes. Brady is probably the greatest clutch QB in the history of the NFL. In the case of Manning or say Dan Marino, the Patriots were the better overall team. Manning & Marino’s teams just didn’t have the defenses that Brady did with the Patriots.
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    Dungys defenses were better than people remember or like to give him credit for.

    The early Brady-Manning matchups were completely lopsided. Belichick really had their number until they softened the rules.

    .. as a fan, I hope Mahomes-Burrow = Manning-Brady! The League is at its best with these types of rivalries.

  96. I want to see how Burrow and Mahomes fare on lean teams.

    Thats when you see really see what they’re really made of.

  97. spiritualsportsfan says:
    April 9, 2023 at 4:41 pm
    “Without referees throwing game after game after game… How many Super Bowls does Mahommes have? How many does he make it to? The answer to both is zero

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    Who had the ball, with 2+ minutes, needing a FG too win, with a D who had four DBs on the field and didn’t score? PM has taken leads or gone ahead multiple times in the playoffs. It’s what sets him apart, he has another gear.

  98. See: John Elway as example. Mahomes is modern day Elway with a great offensive-minded play caller from day one. Burrow could end up as Marino for all we know.
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    For me, Elway was more like Brady. Not always pretty, might be 16-14, but he just found a way to win games.

    Mahomes has had a full toybox so far, AND he’s playing for the best offensive mind of this era.

    I believe he can carry a team, but he hasn’t been required to do that the way Elway did early in his career.

  99. Around year 4 of Carson Palmer’s career the question locally in Cincinnati that made people mad was “who is better, Ben or Carson?”
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    MAYBE, if Palmer doesn’t suffer that knee injury. They started like a house on fire in that game.

    That pretty much ended the debate. The Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls. Nearly won all 3.

    Marvin Lewis totally overhauled that organization… but never won a Playoff game.

  100. Who cares. I’m a Chiefs fan and there’s no qb I would take over Patrick, but if I were a Bengals fan I would likely think Burrow is the best. Same with Bills and Allen. Palmer played for Bengals so I would expect that from him. But again, who cares. I want to win championships not off season hot take trophies

  101. As a Steelers fan, I am glad it Burrow in our division, not Mahomes.
    Joe’s lack of creativity and inability to go off script is why he doesn’t scare anyone. And why he’s struggled in the playoffs.

  102. I hate myself for typing this says:
    April 10, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    I believe he can carry a team, but he hasn’t been required to do that the way Elway did early in his career.

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    Truth.

  103. Mahomes has the obvious edge right now but let’s wait until their careers are over before declaring who is the greatest. A lot can and will happen over the next decade and a half so let it all play out. Of course that’s unrealistic knowing that debating QB’s is an American pastime that’s not going away any time soon. Instead of Brady-Manning that we had for the past 20 years now we get to hear Mahomes-Burrow for the 20 going forward.

  104. steelercrazy says: April 9, 2023 at 10:40 pm
    “Burrow has a better arm, But Mahomes is better at doing those extra things that win games, like extending plays, scrambling to keeping drives alive, and faking injuries.”

    Burrow has many excellent traits but a better arm than Mahomes is NOT one of them, certainly not a stronger arm. You can say Burrow is calmer under pressure and in the pocket so he checks that box for sure. But better arm than Mahomes? I really don’t know what game you’re watching. Only Josh Allen has a stronger arm than Mahomes. And maybe a tie with Justin Herbert at arm strength. In terms of the whole package, no one can touch Mahomes right now.

  105. overlyobservant says:
    April 11, 2023 at 11:56 am
    I hate myself for typing this says:
    April 10, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    I believe he can carry a team, but he hasn’t been required to do that the way Elway did early in his career.

    **************************************************

    Truth.

    Not sure about this, and not taking anything away from Elway, he was a magician. But no one has come back from as many double digit deficits in their career let alone their first 5 years as a starter, as has Mahomes. That is, in my view, the definition of carrying a team.

  106. torontochef-fan says:
    April 12, 2023 at 12:21 pm

    overlyobservant says:
    April 11, 2023 at 11:56 am
    I hate myself for typing this says:
    April 10, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    I believe he can carry a team, but he hasn’t been required to do that the way Elway did early in his career.

    **************************************************

    Truth.

    Not sure about this, and not taking anything away from Elway, he was a magician. But no one has come back from as many double digit deficits in their career let alone their first 5 years as a starter, as has Mahomes. That is, in my view, the definition of carrying a team.
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    No. Carrying a team is being able to win without having talent around you. Elway had virtually no one else who was an actually star on his team until Terrell Davis at the end of his career. Mahomes has had Kelce & Tyreek Hill for most of his career. Not saying Mahomes isn’t the best QB but he hasn’t had to carry a team.

  107. I recall when Carson was telling us that Jordan was a “better athlete” than himself (BFD) AND that Carson should be “an NFL starting QB for a long time”. Ahahahahahahahahahah

  108. Pat averages more passing yards, more TDs, more rushing yards, less INTs, less sacks, higher QBR, higher ave per completion, higher average per pass, more super bowls, more MVPs, more super bowl MVPs. He has done it with mutiple groups of players… this isn’t a discussion

  109. Justin Herbert has way more talent in comparison to Burrow. Burrow is not close in talent to Mahomes or Herbert. Winning is a team effort. Neither Burrows or Mahomes wins the Jacksonville playoff game when your Defense allows TD,TD,TD,TD,FG on 5 consecutive drives to
    end a playoff game.

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