S2 test is a far from universal scouting tool

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The term “S2” became a thing in the weeks preceding the 2023 NFL Draft. For the NFL’s teams, it’s far from being the thing that it’s cracked up to be.

Peter King said during Friday’s PFT Live that only 14 teams use it. That means 18 don’t. Which instantly gives it far less heft than if it were universally utilized.

In an appearance this week on #PFTPM, Panthers G.M. Scott Fitterer was asked about the S2 test — something that his first-round quarterback, Bryce Young, reportedly aced.

“I think we have to understand it’s not an intelligence test, it’s more of a processing test,” Fitterer said. “It’s not like a deciding factor for us. It’s a tool that we use to gauge where a guy’s at processing speedwise and there’s other little elements and certain positions it probably weighs more heavily on.

“Bryce did really well on it. That’s great, but if he had done poorly on it, it’s just another small background in the evaluation process. The fact that he did well just kind of cemented the fact, ‘OK, what we see is him is an elite processor. This test confirms that.’ Had he done poorly, we would have gone back, taken a look, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good processor, it’s just he didn’t do well on that test.”

That’s presumably what the Texans did with C.J. Stroud, after word got out that he didn’t do well. On the football field, he does.

And if there’s an issue with processing for Stroud, he more than makes up for it with a quick release of the ball.

So, yes, it’s just one piece of the puzzle. And, no, not every team uses it. Not even half do.

14 responses to “S2 test is a far from universal scouting tool

  1. You can find the organization that created/developed the S2 test and their website obviously says glowing things about it…. My problem is I can’t find any sample of it, only descriptions and I ain’t about to pay to get access to it. It’s hard to know what it means without actually seeing what it’s really all about. Then you hear how the scores can be “interpreted” different ways. What does that even mean? I get it’s not an IQ test, but it supposedly measures processing speed which should mean high score good/low score bad. If it measures processing speed it must be timed and therefore reading speed probably accounts for a large portion of it. Some guys read faster than others, but that probably means bubkis on the football field. IMO, it’s hard to get worked about this as a fan one way or the other.

  2. The S2 test confirmed the tape on C.J Stroud struggling to process while under pressure as he was ranked 94th of 114 QB’s in CFB when passing under pressure in 2022. The S2 cognitive test will gain more popularity in the NFL if C.J Stroud continues to struggle while under pressure. It currently stands at 74 on the S2 Test as the minimum needed to have a career Passer Rating at 90 and above of those that have taken the S2. Of the 114 QB’s that took the test as of July 2022 the average score on the S2 Test for QB’s was 68 and 50 for all other players not a QB…..No matter how it is spun C.J Strouds 18 is not a positive test result. I wish the kid the best though.

  3. The QB position is one of the easiest positions to scout because you can see everything plain as day on tape. You can see his football intelligence. Classroom testing might show the quality of education you received growing up. If a guy looks smart on a football field, that means he’s smart on a football field. If a guy does well in a classroom, that means he’ll do well in a classroom. Not even close to the same universe. Look at the QB’s in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and tell me how many went to Ivy League schools. Still waiting.

  4. It isn’t a read/writing test. It’s images flashed on a screen at 16/1,000th of a second. Are the images the same? yes/no. How many triangles were there? The test is 40 to 45 minutes long and has 9 parts to assess different things.

  5. Justin Fields got the highest score ever on the test. Does that translate to passing the football? I like him and think he will eventually get better, but it doesn’t mean anything but that he knew how to take the test. It’s just like the WONDERLIC stuff. Dan Marino scored notoriously low and is the godfather of modern passing before all of the rule changes in the 2000s.

  6. NewYorkLion wrote “It currently stands at 74 on the S2 Test as the minimum needed to have a career Passer Rating at 90 and above of those that have taken the S2. Of the 114 QB’s that took the test as of July 2022 the average score on the S2 Test for QB’s was 68 and 50 for all other players not a QB…..”

    There is so much wrong with this. To start with, what is the total number of QBs who have taken the test? What percentage of the league over the past ten years does that represent? What was the distribution with respect to QB rating? How many years of play did those QBs have? How old were they when they first took the test? How many times have they taken the test? Did everyone take the test the same number of times, or were they weighted or grouped based on their experience with the test?

    All of these questions hint at why not many teams use this new test, and why the Texans were wise to ignore it — It has not been VALIDATED to prove anything.

  7. Do we really need a new test to tell us OSU quarterbacks can’t play in the NFL? The old one of being drafted high and failing was just fine.

  8. There’s one thing and one thing alone that should be used to judge a football player.

    His hairstyle. Cam Newton said so.

  9. I agree with some of what James said above. The real problem I have is that people learn in different ways. Shane Steichen was saying the way he coaches differs from player to player– some you can just explain what you want right then and there, some learn better by seeing it on tape, etc.. I’m curious if the test shows plays on a tablet (like they do on the sidelines during games) and then ask them something like: if you see this defense, what will you do next time, or is it all written?

  10. It’s just one tool to be used. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a player will be good or bad. I think the much bigger deal, aside from the tape of a player, is mental toughness and maturity sometimes. This is probably where I lose it a little for Stroud. I watched him twice against Michigan get schooled, and twice sulk by himself on the bench. It was a bad look. Doesn’t mean he won’t be a great pro, but that has always stuck in my mind.

  11. Maybe the entire “test” is to see which potential draft picks are dumb enough to talk about it after their scores are leaked.

  12. NewYorkLion says:
    May 5, 2023 at 8:51 pm
    The S2 test confirmed the tape on C.J Stroud struggling to process while under pressure as he was ranked 94th of 114 QB’s in CFB when passing under pressure in 2022. The S2 cognitive test will gain more popularity in the NFL if C.J Stroud continues to struggle while under pressure. It currently stands at 74 on the S2 Test as the minimum needed to have a career Passer Rating at 90 and above of those that have taken the S2. Of the 114 QB’s that took the test as of July 2022 the average score on the S2 Test for QB’s was 68 and 50 for all other players not a QB…..No matter how it is spun C.J Strouds 18 is not a positive test result. I wish the kid the best though.

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    You forgot to add GO BLUE! to the end of your post.

  13. The number of QB’s through the 2022 Draft was 117 who took the test. They started testing in 2015 . 15 NFL teams utilize S2 services. The Texans who selected C.J Stroud are not one of those 15 teams. The avg score for QB’s is 68 percentile with 80 being considered Elite cognitive ability. A career NFL passer rating of 90 has not been achieved by any player who failed to score 90 or above so far in the NFL. The data is is young, 7 years young, but no way no how can you paint C.J Strouds 18 score/ percentile as anything other than horrible. Of the 4 QB’s taken early in the 2023 Draft & when B.Young 98/96 (two scores reported) & W.Levis 96/93 (Two scores reported) and A.Richardson scores a 79 and you have C.J Stroud score an 18 one of these is not like the other and When you know the average is 68 . When Joe Burrow 97th percentile & Justin Herbert 96th percentile & P.Mahomes and J.Allen scoring in the mid 90’s all being considered the best QB’s in the league currently this only further makes C.J Strouds 18 very concerning….. This says it best as said by an S2 employee and a NFL executive . S2 employee “Guys that graded high on this test don’t always play well” NFL Executive “But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.” That is alarming with the data so far .

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