Robert Kraft: Patriots had “a great, great draft”

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Two years ago, Patriots owner Robert Kraft expressed frustration that his team hadn’t drafted well in recent years. This year, Kraft thinks the Patriots drafted very well.

Kraft said on NFL Network that he told his son, Patriots President Jonathan Kraft, that he’s very excited about where the team is heading after the players they added in the 2023 NFL draft.

“At the end of draft day, Jonathan and I were chatting, and I said, ‘This was a great, great draft. I’m really optimistic about the team.’ And he said, ‘You say that every year!’ But I really believe it. We were able to get the top seven picks that we had identified before the draft. I think it gives us a good balance of what our needs are. I think our free agent pickups and getting Bill O’Brien in will make a big difference,” Kraft said, via ESPN.

New England drafted 12 players in all, with first-round cornerback Christian Gonzalez at the top of the class. It’s a class that Kraft likes a lot.

136 responses to “Robert Kraft: Patriots had “a great, great draft”

  1. Until they find an elite quarterback it won’t matter in the golden age of AFC QB’s. They’ll be a perpetual 7 to 10 win team until they find one.

  2. Another 2 or 3 years of the same then Mr Kraft and you should be competitive again, but not until then

  3. were it not for Robert Kraft the Patriots would have moved to St. Louis in the 1990s, so I have the highest regard and admiration for the man, but he has been tolerant beyond belief in keeping faith with Belichick. Every person gets old, and NFL football coaching has become a 24/7 occupation, with little margin for error. Tom Landry got old, as did Don Shula and Chuck Noll. All three coaches continued past their sell-by date due to past accomplishments, and the same appears to be true with Belichick. The Raiders game last year was the final piece of evidence that I need. No coach should be able to survive that. It was the most un-Belickick moment I have ever seen, and reminded me of the “old” Patriots from way back when.

  4. The Patriot’s only truly “great, great” draft was when they accidentally drafted Tom Brady in the sixth round.

  5. Oh yes indeed! Trading up to the 4th round for a KICKER means you absolutely had a great, great draft, Robert. Now finish your oatmeal and let’s get you to bed.

  6. What have the Dolphins done since Marino? What have the Bills done since Kelly? How long did the Broncos suffer after Elway? It happens to almost every great franchise when they lose an elite quarterback. The Patriots are no different

  7. so every team needs an elite QB? elite= 10% max (i.e. 90th percentile) = 3 players at that position– sorry that is impossible by definition of elite. having a good qb can lead to plenty of wins and even a SB, most everyone on here thinks Brady isn’t elite (until they talk about BB, then the success is all brady’s), so which is it? Meanwhile Kraft is a bit delusional, other than the top 2 picks it was ok, and even those haven’t played a snap yet, I reserve jusgement on quality of draft poicks until at least 10 games into their careers. Time for Kraft to fade into the background and let his son run the show

  8. wingswbluecheese says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:29 am
    Until they find an elite quarterback it won’t matter in the golden age of AFC QB’s. They’ll be a perpetual 7 to 10 win team until they find one.
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    They need to be able to beat good teams. Haven’t beaten a top team since Super Bowl 53.

  9. Everyone has a “great, great draft” class in May.
    Barring a generational talent/bust, it’s not until the January three seasons later that you really know how any given draft went.

  10. Players seem pretty good but they could have extracted even more value from the Draft. I think trading back in the first round for only a 4th rounder than using that 4th rounder to trade up eight spots in the top 120 to draft a kicker is freaking crazy.

  11. Good news Robert, you’ll probably be picking in that spot again next April.

    8-9

  12. Maybe they did and maybe they didn’t. The only thing we know today is that we definitely have no idea who drafted well or poorly. Kraft claiming victory is funny.

  13. No, the Giants had a great draft. The Pats had their usual mediocre draft.

  14. Great draft, too bad they can’t keep both drafted receivers Boutte and Douglas. One will be waived and some team will get a steal.

  15. Mr Kraft, how do you know it was a great draft? Even football experts don’t know how any draft pick is going to turn out, and you are not a football expert. You sound like a carnival barker.

  16. Unless you have a top QB you will never win it all. Lions fans are excited and they’ll be better, but won’t win it. Only a handful of teams have a chance. And, sorry San Fran but Brock ain’t it either. QB league.

  17. I’d venture to say that’s the same thing he thought immediately after previous drafts and those same drafts he eventually felt poorly about.

  18. Just not the same without good ol Ernie. BTW a lot of small school prospects and wasting a pick on a K and P. That sounds more like blowing smoke than an actual good draft.

  19. How does he know how good his draft was before these guys take a single snap?

  20. One would think that as long as Kracft has been involved in the NFL, he’d know that two weeks after the draft isn’t when said draft is evaluated for real. But if this makes him feel better, that’s cool.

  21. I could give anyone a long list of elite QBs that have barely won a thing(ARodgers, DMarino), as well as journeymen that have won SBowls. It’s as tired a cliche as, ‘Defense wins Championships’

  22. Belichick came home with bags full of groceries. Kraft has peeked into the bags and likes what he sees. Good! BB used his credit card.
    We will find out which tomatoes were really rotten and what fish was not so fresh when BB tries to prepare the meal.

  23. I thought they did well. Gonzalez was the steal of the draft where they got him. Keion White in rd 2 was expected to go even late rd 1. They got some under the radar guys later on who have a lot of upside.

  24. It happens to almost every great franchise when they lose an elite quarterback. The Patriots are no different

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    Except Belichick was the only coach who was credited as the engine of the team, and the moron shamelessly took the credits.

  25. Outside of Keion White and Devin Gonzalez nobody is sure about any of the picks. Belichick sure seemed defensive heavy in that draft when the Pats had needs on the offensive line and receiver position. Pats could be mediocre and go 7 and 10 or 10 and 7 after a surprise win streak. However I do not seem them getting past the Bills. Fins depends on injury and the Jets are still the Jets.

  26. Mac Jones had an outstanding rookie season, the best of his class, 10-7 and the playoffs. Then came the head-scratching experiment last year with two defensive-minded coaches running, wait for it, the offense. With Bill O’Brien in the house, I’m expecting Jones to regain the form he showed as a rookie and with the roster Belichick has assembled, the Patriots will surprise many this season. Now if they only could transfer out of the best division in the NFL>

  27. I was watching how teams traded back when a player they wanted was grabbed in front of them. One move was the Patriots trading back right after Green Bay took Lukas Van Ness. But per Kraft’s comments, maybe he wasn’t a BB target.

  28. I think he was alluding to the following statement:

    “”We were able to get the top seven picks that we had identified before the draft””.

    So, they got 7 players they really wanted, only time will tell how good they are.

  29. jonathankrobinson424 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 6:19 am
    Kicker and a punter????!

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    To be fair…..they will likely be punting a lot

  30. patsrule says:
    May 15, 2023 at 8:07 am
    Mr Kraft, how do you know it was a great draft? Even football experts don’t know how any draft pick is going to turn out, and you are not a football expert. You sound like a carnival barker.

    The man stated his opinion. That’s all. He’s not claiming to be an expert or saying “just watch, I’m right!” Is he not entitled to his opinion?

  31. I am not a Patriots bobo, but I do live in the area. Personally, I think they had a solid draft, investing in the offense, a pass rusher, and 3 CBs. JMHO, but I’d much rather draft CBs than sign them in FA, which seems to rarely work out. Even Gilmore held them over a barrel for an extra 5 mill to start a season.
    I don’t care what the bobbleheads say, I think Detroit killed it in the draft, and that’s coming from a Bears fan.
    All that being said, Happy Monday, and I can’t quit you, David Pastrnak.

  32. None of us know for sure but perhaps Kraft is publicly stating what team execs privately believe about the quality of their draft.

    If so, then maybe Kraft’s comments are equivalent to firing a warning shot across BB’s bow.

  33. Every year is the same the fanboys claim hall of fame draft class three years later hall of shame class wash rinse repeat….yawn.

  34. slowest team in the division, if not NFL. severely lacking at skill positions, incl QB…
    better be a good draft

  35. Except Belichick was the only coach who was credited as the engine of the team, and the moron shamelessly took the credits.
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    Post some Belichick quotes to back that up.

  36. theshedmaster says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:17 am
    patsrule says:
    May 15, 2023 at 8:07 am
    Mr Kraft, how do you know it was a great draft? Even football experts don’t know how any draft pick is going to turn out, and you are not a football expert. You sound like a carnival barker.

    The man stated his opinion. That’s all. He’s not claiming to be an expert or saying “just watch, I’m right!” Is he not entitled to his opinion?

    11Rate This

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    Sure but it’d be nice if he pulled back a bit and let Jonathan take
    over.

    He is getting to the age where he does too much mouth running. I am sure BB isn’t thrilled with it.

  37. Oh gawd the couch experts are out in full force. So Kraft liked the draft, so what. No draft can really be graded until three seasons of play after. As for the kicker and the punter, if even one of them pans out to be good for years it was worth it. If you didn’t think the Pats needed a kicker or a punter, you didn’t even watch last season. Folk can’t kick off anymore and they had no punter worth a crap. Also, drafting for need, simply to fill the position is stupid if the wr u draft is worthless and the o lineman u passed over could of made the team. I suspect that’s exactly what Belichick did with this draft. This draft class was weak to say the least. It started out with the tinyiest QB in history being drafted….but oh yeah he can run. Lol

  38. Post some Belichick quotes to back that up.

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    Yacht of 7 bowls.

    and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”.

  39. goodellthegrifter says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:50 am
    theshedmaster says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:17 am
    patsrule says:
    May 15, 2023 at 8:07 am
    Mr Kraft, how do you know it was a great draft? Even football experts don’t know how any draft pick is going to turn out, and you are not a football expert. You sound like a carnival barker.

    The man stated his opinion. That’s all. He’s not claiming to be an expert or saying “just watch, I’m right!” Is he not entitled to his opinion?

    11Rate This

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    Sure but it’d be nice if he pulled back a bit and let Jonathan take
    over.

    He is getting to the age where he does too much mouth running. I am sure BB isn’t thrilled with it

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    Given that the team hasn’t sniffed a postseason win since Brady walked, I’m sure Kraft isn’t too thrilled with BB either

  40. and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”
    ==========

    Thats all you’ve got? Stating a fact is taking credit?

    They missed the Playoffs on a tiebreaker that year.

    Belichick flipped Cassell the following year for a 2nd rounder. He went to a Pro Bowl with KC.

  41. wingswbluecheese says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:29 am
    Until they find an elite quarterback it won’t matter in the golden age of AFC QB’s. They’ll be a perpetual 7 to 10 win team until they find one.

    ————-

    This is not the golden age of AFC QBs. That was Brady, Manning, Ben. They made it to 16 out of 18 Super Bowls and all of them won. This is the Mahomes era. The other QBs haven’t really done a damn thing yet.

  42. Oh yes, great draft Robert. Passed on higher rated players in mid to late rounds, 3 OGs, CBs that will probably not make the team, no WRs of note, no TEs. A lot of picks wasted. A BB scattered draft as usual !!

  43. mickeyspillane says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:39 am
    slowest team in the division, if not NFL. severely lacking at skill positions, incl QB…
    better be a good draft

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    There are two sides of the ball. The Patriots D is going to be top 5 and they are young and fast.

    Offense, I can’t disagree with you. It’s still lacking. Mac is a big question mark. If he is what he showed last year they should be looking for the next guy.

  44. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:34 am
    Every year is the same the fanboys claim hall of fame draft class three years later hall of shame class wash rinse repeat….yawn.

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    Well, the Patriots drafted a done of great players that got them to 9 Super Bowls. So not all bad right? They’ve missed on some picks for sure, especially recently, but far less than other teams like lets say the vaunted Cowboys who haven’t been in a Super Bowl in 27 years.

  45. nhpats2011 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 11:09 am

    Given that the team hasn’t sniffed a postseason win since Brady walked, I’m sure Kraft isn’t too thrilled with BB either

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    Ernie Adams was the real MVP of your team

  46. nhpats2011 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 11:09 am
    goodellthegrifter says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:50 am
    theshedmaster says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:17 am
    patsrule says:
    May 15, 2023 at 8:07 am
    Mr Kraft, how do you know it was a great draft? Even football experts don’t know how any draft pick is going to turn out, and you are not a football expert. You sound like a carnival barker.

    The man stated his opinion. That’s all. He’s not claiming to be an expert or saying “just watch, I’m right!” Is he not entitled to his opinion?

    11Rate This

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    Sure but it’d be nice if he pulled back a bit and let Jonathan take
    over.

    He is getting to the age where he does too much mouth running. I am sure BB isn’t thrilled with it

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    Given that the team hasn’t sniffed a postseason win since Brady walked, I’m sure Kraft isn’t too thrilled with BB either

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    The Patriots need a minimum top 10 QB to have a shot to win playoff games. Mac looked like a bottom 5 QB last year. We will see how he looks this year. Without a top 10 QB any coach is going to end up either missing the playoffs or barely getting in. A great QB turns 8 or 9 wins into 10 or 11 wins.

    A great QB with a bad coach/GM could get 2 wins though. BB does his part, but they need Mac to work out or they need to get someone better immediately.

  47. gtmcneill says:
    May 15, 2023 at 10:33 am
    None of us know for sure but perhaps Kraft is publicly stating what team execs privately believe about the quality of their draft.

    If so, then maybe Kraft’s comments are equivalent to firing a warning shot across BB’s bow.

    ———

    That’s not how BB and Kraft work. Kraft would just tell him straight up. These two guys don’t communicate through the media.

  48. Too early to tell if it was a great draft, but it looks promising. What I like is that Belichick is being very pragmatic. What do you do when you know there is not a QB to be had that is on a level with the other QBs in your division? You draft defense and special teams so you can try to keep the scoring down for the opponent, and you give enough support to the offense to maybe edge out the opponent.

    Nick Folk is an accurate kicker, but he can’t kick beyond 50 yards, so it was important to get a new kicker. Three points more on the board here and there could be important, and having that ability also opens up options on the field. Having an excellent punter pins the opponent down and give the defense more operating room to do their thing. Laugh at picking a kicker and punter if you want, but it’s all part of a pragmatic overall game plan for 2023.

  49. Everyone commenting about a kicker and a punter? !2 total picks, the Patriots had no punter and a 40 year old kicker last year. Those two picks,out of 12 picks, are slam dunks to make the 45 man roster and they were wasted picks?

  50. bozobiden says:
    May 15, 2023 at 6:16 am
    What have the Dolphins done since Marino? What have the Bills done since Kelly? How long did the Broncos suffer after Elway? It happens to almost every great franchise when they lose an elite quarterback. The Patriots are no different
    _________________

    Favre immediately followed by AR. Montana immediately followed by Steve Young. Manning to Andrew Luck. Sonny Jurgensen followed by Billy Kilmer to Joe Theismann. There are plenty of other examples of why you are incorrect.

  51. and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”
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    Congrats! 7 of those 11 wins were against teams that finished the season .500 or worse.

  52. It’s not what it seems, Kraft. Remember when Belichick picked N’Keal Harry over A.J. Brown and DK Metcalf? He took a kicker in the fourth round of this one and didn’t draft a dominant tight end for Jones. Do the fanbase a favor and fire Bill.

  53. Three points more on the board here and there could be important,
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    As is getting touchbacks. The Patriots saw for themselves the downside of not having a kicker who can reliably get touchbacks on kickoffs in the season finale last season.

  54. bullcharger says:
    May 15, 2023 at 11:38 am
    wingswbluecheese says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:29 am
    Until they find an elite quarterback it won’t matter in the golden age of AFC QB’s. They’ll be a perpetual 7 to 10 win team until they find one.

    ————-

    This is not the golden age of AFC QBs. That was Brady, Manning, Ben. They made it to 16 out of 18 Super Bowls and all of them won. This is the Mahomes era. The other QBs haven’t really done a damn thing yet.
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    I wish I had posted the Bullcharger post. Truer posts have never been posted on this site.

  55. nhpats2011 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 11:09 am

    Given that the team hasn’t sniffed a postseason win since Brady threw a pick 6 in consecutive weeks to single-handedly end the Patriots playoff hopes in 2019, I’m sure Kraft isn’t too thrilled with BB either
    ——

    Fixed it for you. More accurate this way.

  56. and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”
    ==========

    Thats all you’ve got? Stating a fact is taking credit?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you think yacht of 7 bowls is not enough to prove that he shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve, be my guest.

  57. If you watched every Patriot game last year, the biggest problem IMO was the offensive line.

    They were terrible blocking and committed one penalty after another.

    I’m not a Mac Jones fan, but he went backwards, and anybody playing QB on that team last year wouldn’t have looked good with that line.

    The offense line coach last year, was also Matt Patricia.

    They made a lot of moves this off season to improve the offensive line. If they have, Jones job will be on the line, no excuses. But to evaluate him last year with that line is very difficult.

    Time will tell, a lot of good teams in their division.

    As far as the draft, don’t forget for years they picked at the back or last every draft and still won a ton of super bowls. Now, picking earlier they have a better chance of a good draft.

  58. wingswbluecheese says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:29 am
    Until they find an elite quarterback it won’t matter in the golden age of AFC QB’s. They’ll be a perpetual 7 to 10 win team until they find one.
    =====
    Elite QB are just available in the store?

    When someone is elite other positions suffer as they demand $

    BB believes in a balance of skill and $. As soon as the $ goes above the skill and other posistions suffer, the person is gone. Not everyone likes it, I dont like it either. But who are we to question ?

  59. In the immortal words of Arsene Wenger, “every man thinks his wife is the most beautiful.”

  60. you homers feeling the need to defend the punter/kicker comments are missing yhe point. you dont generally need to trade up in the 4th to draft a kicker. justin tucker was an undrafted guy. they could be gotten later. so they are not wasted picks but wasted higher picks. but you homers are so easily triggered because you feel yhe patriots are so much better at everything than everyone else you have to defend till the end. maybe if some of you guys werent so arrogant and clueless than folks wouldnt jump on you for everything. just sayin

  61. The offense line coach last year, was also Matt Patricia.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pats had good line ONLY WHEN Brady played dink n dunk because Belichick is, well, BeliCHEAP.

    Saints’ Cam Jordan still mulling over playoff loss to the Buccaneers

    “If you limit them to the air it’s not like they’re really going to beat you. Tom Brady does such a phenomenal job getting the ball out hot. You know, they talk about how vaunted their offensive line has been this past year, you just looked at who they’ve been guarding. When you’re releasing the ball at 2.5 seconds, it doesn’t matter what offensive line is in front of him. Tom Brady is Tom Brady for a reason because he’s able to release the ball as fast as he does. He’s able to dissect defenses as fast as he does. He lives for the next down.

  62. If you think yacht of 7 bowls is not enough to prove that he shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve, be my guest.
    ==========

    No different than all the pictures of Brady on social media flashing his rings.

  63. ztoa says:
    May 15, 2023 at 1:06 pm
    and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”
    ==========

    Thats all you’ve got? Stating a fact is taking credit?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you think yacht of 7 bowls is not enough to prove that he shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve, be my guest.

    17Rate This

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    What does this even mean? Isn’t BB the first to fall on the sword or say “it’s a player’s game” while always deflecting to say “playets win em, coaches can lose em?”

    You people who want to create an alternate reality are super creepy.

  64. Congrats! 7 of those 11 wins were against teams that finished the season .500 or worse.
    ==========

    1 less than the 1985 Bears…….

  65. ztoa says:
    May 15, 2023 at 1:35 pm
    The offense line coach last year, was also Matt Patricia.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pats had good line ONLY WHEN Brady played dink n dunk because Belichick is, well, BeliCHEAP.

    Saints’ Cam Jordan still mulling over playoff loss to the Buccaneers

    “If you limit them to the air it’s not like they’re really going to beat you. Tom Brady does such a phenomenal job getting the ball out hot. You know, they talk about how vaunted their offensive line has been this past year, you just looked at who they’ve been guarding. When you’re releasing the ball at 2.5 seconds, it doesn’t matter what offensive line is in front of him. Tom Brady is Tom Brady for a reason because he’s able to release the ball as fast as he does. He’s able to dissect defenses as fast as he does. He lives for the next down.

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    Steve Spagnuolo, who was the Giants D-coordinator in SB 42, made sure to change up the signals from their 2007 regular meeting just in case someone on the Patriots was spying (not to mention the FBI agents the Giants hired to make sure no one unauthorized was at their practices leading up to the super bowl). And wouldn’t you know it, Brady was as confused as he ever was in his career…

  66. Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles have all won SBs and were not elite. An elite QB can cover up weaknesses on your roster but is not a necessity to win it all.

  67. goodellthegrifter says:
    May 15, 2023 at 2:00 pm
    ztoa says:
    May 15, 2023 at 1:06 pm
    and he said “we won 11 games with Matt Cassel”
    ==========

    Thats all you’ve got? Stating a fact is taking credit?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you think yacht of 7 bowls is not enough to prove that he shamelessly took the credits he didn’t deserve, be my guest.

    17Rate This

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    What does this even mean? Isn’t BB the first to fall on the sword or say “it’s a player’s game” while always deflecting to say “playets win em, coaches can lose em?”

    You people who want to create an alternate reality are super creepy

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    BB showed his true colors when he put his own ego ahead of the team against the Eagles. Nobody buys his schtick anymore

  68. Steve Spagnuolo, who was the Giants D-coordinator in SB 42, made sure to change up the signals from their 2007 regular meeting ….

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you know Nate Solder?

    He guarded Brady’s blind side for 7 years. How did he do in Giants?

  69. Steve Spagnuolo, who was the Giants D-coordinator in SB 42, made sure to change up the signals from their 2007 regular meeting just in case someone on the Patriots was spying (not to mention the FBI agents the Giants hired to make sure no one unauthorized was at their practices leading up to the super bowl). And wouldn’t you know it, Brady was as confused as he ever was in his career…

    No genius, they won because they were able to get pressure with only the front 4 and drops every one else into coverage

    And as for as “owning Brady “
    The Giants haven’t beaten a team QB by Brady in over a DECADE

  70. BB showed his true colors when he put his own ego ahead of the team against the Eagles. Nobody buys his schtick anymore
    ——
    GOATs don’t fumble away a championship game when they have an opportunity to win it like Brady did with 2:30 left. They just don’t.

    It seems that the Tommy lovers would rather have seen Malcolm Butler play that day than give their hero a shot at a championship clinching drive when trailing – which is exactly what Tommy got. Weird.

  71. Who should get credit for the Patriots dynasty?

    Brady: 10%. This is as high as he goes. I will always believe that any other decent QB like Pennington could’ve done what Brady did if they were drafted in NE and Tommy’s accomplishments being unique to him are overstated. Brady being only the second QB in the Super Bowl era to throw more ints than TD and still win the SB game. I also don’t acknowledge the contributions of QBs all that much when they are suspended for cheating, and have to lean on their teammates to win every single one of the rings, instead of the other way around. and who by the way, has zero winning seasons without elite coaching.

    Belichick: 20%. This is as high as any coach would go for me. It’s a players game. Coaches don’t step on the field. They don’t take snaps. They don’t run throw or tackle. Bad coaches can still win with great players. Great coaches are worthless with bad players. 100% a players game. Even BB himself has acknowledged this many times.

    Clutch kicking: 20%. Take Vinatieri and his clutch ability off the Patriots and they don’t win any of their first 3 Super bowls. Gostkowski was also a great kicker. Not a coincidence that the Patriots have taken a step back without that clutch reliable kicker they had in their dynasty years.

    Clutch defense: 40%. Ty Law making plays. Dont’a Hightower. Malcolm Butler. Stephon Gilmore. Willie McGinest. And so on. Even Kyle Van Noy, it’s these guys that ought to get a huge chunk of credit.

    Luck- 10%. As an honest Patriots fan I can admit that luck played a huge role. The tuck rule play- just sn awful call. Martz and Shanahan not adjusting to what the Patriots were doing to them on defense, Kasay kick out of bounds. Seahawks didn’t run Marshawn at the goal line. Edelman turning a dreadful throw from Brady into a spectacular catch. In the championship game in 2018 Dee Ford lining up offside nullifying Brady’s game losing int. Yeah this team certainly has had a lot go their way over the years.

  72. a championship clinching drive when trailing

    You mean like he did vs Atlanta?

  73. flash1224 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:10 pm
    a championship clinching drive when trailing

    You mean like he did vs Atlanta?
    ——
    Which drive was that?

  74. Brady: 10%.
    Belichick: 20%.
    Clutch kicking: 20%.
    Clutch defense: 40%.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fans of Belichick the garbage only give him 20% of the credits?

    He will be very very angry if the garbage sees your post.

  75. flash1224 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:10 pm
    a championship clinching drive when trailing

    You mean like he did vs Atlanta?

    31Rate This

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    He owed the team. The pick 6 before half was atrocious.

  76. It seems that the Tommy lovers would rather have seen Malcolm Butler play that day than give their hero a shot at a championship clinching drive when trailing – which is exactly what Tommy got. Weird.
    ________________________________________________________

    Nope, would have just liked to see the defense make one stop on a career back up QB who carved them up the whole game. Not too much to ask for as a QB when you throw for over 500 yards and 3 TDs.

  77. He owed the team. The pick 6 before half was atrocious.

    +++++++++++++++++

    Ya, when opponent could afford 2 defenders on a cheap short slot receiver.

    Only atrocious fans of Belichick the garbage would blame it on QB.

  78. goodellthegrifter says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:21 pm
    flash1224 says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:10 pm
    a championship clinching drive when trailing

    You mean like he did vs Atlanta?

    31Rate This

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    He owed the team. The pick 6 before half was atrocious.
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    That’s actually a great point, and should be another reason why Brady is only at 10%.

    when has Brady ever played a Super Bowl game in NE where he’s been dominant from wire to wire? Like Joe Cool vs Denver? It’s never happened. Everyone talks about the comeback but he was lousy in the first half. Everyone talks about how he played against the Seahawks. He wasn’t anything special in the first half. Even in a lot of his conference championship games he’s had his good moments but he’s also had moments the other way too. Wanna know his conference championship game rating? 83. That’s… not exactly GOAT like.

  79. G00dellMustGo says:
    May 15, 2023 at 3:33 pm
    BB showed his true colors when he put his own ego ahead of the team against the Eagles. Nobody buys his schtick anymore
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    GOATs don’t fumble away a championship game when they have an opportunity to win it like Brady did with 2:30 left. They just don’t.

    It seems that the Tommy lovers would rather have seen Malcolm Butler play that day than give their hero a shot at a championship clinching drive when trailing – which is exactly what Tommy got. Weird.

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    They do… pick a great players in any sport and we can bring up many games and many moments where they failed. Montana played great in the 4 Super Bowls he made, but he only made 4 in 16 years. Lots of failure in there. Jordan, Gretzky had their moments of failure too. Lebron too. Heck, even Mighty Casey struck out, as the poem goes. It’s what sport is all about.

  80. Not too much to ask for as a QB when you throw for over 500 yards and 3 TDs
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    Except maybe not fumble with the championship on the line? That was on him. Got greedy looking downfield for the home run play and didn’t finish his progression with James White open for an easy first down to his right in the flat. That’s too bad.

  81. tedmurph says:
    May 15, 2023 at 4:16 pm
    Brady 10%, Belichick 20? Sorry, I think that’s ridiculous.

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    The proof was when Mac Jones outplayed Brady in October 2021 and last year when Brady became GM and Coach and TB went 8-9.

    John McVay and Walsh get credit for drafting Montana, Ricea and all others including that great ‘86 draft in the middle of 3 one a dones.Montana didn’t draft and develop those players.

    Montana wasn’t the GM or Coach, responsible for the team.

    Without Walsh, Montana doesn’t become Montana. It’s preposterous to think the GM and Coach aren’t as, or even more valuable to the team when the QB doesn’t play D or STs.

  82. The Patriots draft was an A.

    The Lions draft was a C-, maybe they should bring back Quinn and Patricia.

  83. Anyone that thinks the strip sack was Brady’s fault in the SBowl with the Eagles has no clue what they’re talking about. The Eagles put BGraham inside, and Shaq Mason couldn’t block him. Brady had already pulled the ball down and was trying to throw to White in the flat when he got stripped. Go look at it.

    One of the few games that Belichick was out-coached. Too many trick plays worked, too many 4th down conversions, too many big plays from a RB nobody heard of, and Brady’s 505 yrds passing couldn’t compensate.

  84. The proof was when Mac Jones outplayed Brady in October 2021 and last year when Brady became GM and Coach and TB went 8-9.

    That is proof of nothing. Anyone that would say that couldn’t pass a bar exam. A legendary 45 year old QB couldn’t win a SBowl with a beat up team, an OLine that was a sieve and a coach that was over his head proves something about Brady? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

  85. tedmurph says:
    May 15, 2023 at 6:29 pm
    The proof was when Mac Jones outplayed Brady in October 2021 and last year when Brady became GM and Coach and TB went 8-9.

    That is proof of nothing. Anyone that would say that couldn’t pass a bar exam. A legendary 45 year old QB couldn’t win a SBowl with a beat up team, an OLine that was a sieve and a coach that was over his head proves something about Brady? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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    Moreover, how exactly did “Mac jones outplay Brady”? Mac Jones’ team lost the game!!!

  86. The fumble absolutely was on Brady. It’s the QBs job to anticipate the rush and get the ball out on time. Or take a sack when you have to instead of trying to force a play to pad your stats.

  87. The fumble absolutely was on Brady.

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    That is nonsense.

    The reason Eagles best edge rush was completely meaningless was because Brady stayed close to the line.

  88. They do… pick a great players in any sport and we can bring up many games and many moments where they failed. Montana played great in the 4 Super Bowls he made, but he only made 4 in 16 years. Lots of failure in there. Jordan, Gretzky had their moments of failure too. Lebron too.
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    To borrow an Oliver Stone line;

    The failures of those man tower over others successes

    .. Gibbs went to 4 Super Bowls in Montanas era. Belichicks defense ended Montanas 49ers career. 2 Super Bowls for them. The 1985 Bears had the #1 D 3 of 4 years, doing things no D had ever done. They could only get to 1 Super Bowl.

    Just an absolute gauntlet. No shame in Montana getting to “only” 4 Super Bowls.

  89. Or take a sack when you have to instead of trying to force a play to pad your stats.

    Ridiculous. 2 mins left in the SBowl and the Pats were losing. Take a sack? Pad stats??
    It’s the OLine’s job to block pass rushers. They weren’t gonna run the ball. #absurd.

  90. It wasn’t a blindside hit. Brady saw the rush coming looked downfield anyway and by the time he looked Whites way it was too late. He had White all alone for an easy first down but he wanted the home run play. Should have gone to his check down once he saw Mason struggling against Graham which was happening all game. Or take the sack. It was only 2nd and 2. A sack was much better than what happened.

    It’s ok to say Brady screwed up. Doesn’t make us non Patriots fans.

  91. It wasn’t a blindside hit. Brady saw the rush coming looked downfield anyway and by the time he looked Whites way it was too late.

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    How long does it take for White to sneak to right?

    Do you know why he was wide wide open?

  92. Oh, should Brady be looking downfield, looking at Mason whiffing on Graham(who is a great player, schemed up for the situation) or getting to White within 2.3 secs? I have no problem calling out Brady when he makes mistakes. This was not one of those times. When you throw for 505 yards, you deserve to win. Unless other circumstanses fail the team.

  93. How long does it take for White to sneak to right?
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    2 and a half seconds?……….

  94. It wasn’t a whiff it was an inside swim move and Mason was struggling with it all game. Brady had to have seen that matchup and understood he was having trouble. Made more sense to go to your check down on a must-have drive right away that had a guaranteed first down.

    If it was a blindside hit then I don’t blame the QB. This was different. The QB saw the mismatch and he saw the rush. Brady had options other than trying for the home run play when he didn’t need it. The last thing they needed in that situation was a high risk play leading to a turnover and Brady isn’t naive enough not to know the Eagles would be looking for one.

  95. Also yeah 505 yards and all but I thought Foles outplayed Brady. Foles did what he did into tight windows. The int was bad luck,m. Give Foles those wide open matchups Brady had in that game and he probably throws for 500 himself.

  96. How long does it take for White to sneak to right?
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    2 and a half seconds?……….

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    Less than 2.5 seconds. Is it too much to ask O-line to do it?

    BTW, get a clue when White was wide wide open? It is ALL because of Brady; that is why you often saw Pats receivers wide open.

  97. It wasn’t a whiff it was an inside swim move and Mason was struggling with it all game. Brady had to have seen that matchup and understood he was having trouble.

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    Ya, Brady was supposed to know that his right tackle (#69) failed completely, right?

    Oh, if #69 had been able to hold, White would be wide open because Brady looked towards his left for a second, and you would talk about how great Belichick was, wouldn’t you?

  98. Less than 2.5 seconds. Is it too much to ask O-line to do it?
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    NOW its the O-line? Convenient.

    You’re the one that constantly brags about Brady getting the ball out faster than anyone. So guess what, no excuses here.

  99. It is ALL because of Brady; that is why you often saw Pats receivers wide open.
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    And soft rules that allow receivers to run free.

    And Belichick realizing soft rules allowed receivers to run free, thus placing high value on quick twitch athletes like Welker, Edleman, Amdendola…

    And Brady, of course.

  100. Foles didn’t outplay Brady, Pederson outcoached Belichick.

    When you’re down in a Super Bowl with 2 minutes to play and 1 timeout, from your own 28 yard line, a homerun play is not the last thing you need, it’s the 1rst thing.

  101. NOW its the O-line? Convenient.

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    LOL, that is too much to ask O-line to hold 2.5 seconds?

    Remember, Pats O-linemen knew where Brady was, unlike the O-linemen for Rodgers, and they could push pass rushers aside, unlike Rodgers’s O-linemen who had to hold pass rushers in front of them all the time, meaning, it was much much easier to protect Brady than to protect Rodgers.

  102. And soft rules that allow receivers to run free.

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    Watch the play. The defenders was like 10 yards away, that is because of soft rules? give me a break, OK?

    BTW, what about the seasons in early 2000s?

  103. LOL, that is too much to ask O-line to hold 2.5 seconds?
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    Cam Jordan

    “When you’re releasing the ball at 2.5 seconds, it doesn’t matter what offensive line is in front of him. Tom Brady is Tom Brady for a reason because he’s able to release the ball as fast as he does. He’s able to dissect defenses as fast as he does. He lives for the next down.”

  104. BTW, what about the seasons in early 2000s?
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    Before they changed the rules due to the constant Belichick whippings of the Colts and Manning?

  105. LOL, ya, #69 was shoveled aside like at 2 seconds, and defender’s hand on Brady at like 2.2 or 2.3 seconds. If Brady had 2.5 seconds, it would be an easy 10 yards YAC by White.

    Manning’s line was way better than Brady’s. Just that he looked at Harrison and Wayne, then didn’t have to SEARCH FOR NEXT TARGET. That is why Belichick’s defense had no answer to Manning SINCE 2nd half of 2007 AFCCG.

    While Brady knew, turned then threw. Get a clue why Brady needed his receivers to “be at exact location at exact time”?

  106. That is why Belichick’s defense had no answer to Manning SINCE 2nd half of 2007 AFCCG.
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    3 points for the offense through 3 quarters in 2013

    2015 was absolutely there for the taking. 12 points through 58 minutes… against a totally washed, shell of his former glory Manning.

  107. You mean 2003 season AFCCG (in 2004)?
    6:44 65 Touchdown
    5:42 67 Field Goal
    4:22 52 Field Goal

    You mean 2004 season AFCCG (in 2005)
    9:07 78 Field Goal
    1:26 48 Field Goal
    8:16 87 Touchdown
    7:24 94 Touchdown

    Please stop proving Rodgers was a moron.

  108. There is nothing to be ashamed of, admit it : Rodgers didn’t have the skill to do what Brady did, Manning didn’t have the skill to do what Brady did, no other QB had the skill to do what Brady did.

    That is why Brady was the ONLY QB who demanded “being at exact spot at exact time” from his receivers. Belichick? the garbage didn’t even how Brady beat the defenders.

  109. Amazing people keep reading and responding to wlee posts. As if they have any value to an NFL FB conversation.

  110. Amazing people keep reading and responding to wlee posts. As if they have any value to an NFL FB conversation.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe you can explain why no other QB demands “being at exact spot at exact time” from his receivers.

  111. There is nothing to be ashamed of, admit it : Rodgers didn’t have the skill to do what Brady did
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    Santa is real. 2Pac and Elvis are alive. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

    Any other myths you want me to accept?

  112. 2003 season AFCCG (in 2004)
    First 3 drives
    6:44 65 yards Touchdown
    5:42 67 yards Field Goal
    4:22 52 yards Field Goal

    2004 season AFCCG (in 2005)
    9:07 78 yards Field Goal
    1:26 48 yards Field Goal
    8:16 87 yards Touchdown
    7:24 94 yards Touchdown

    0 12 Rate This

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    The fantasy house built by Fans of Belichick the garbage is collapsing.

  113. Amazing people keep reading and responding to wlee posts. As if they have any value to an NFL FB conversation.
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    I do wonder occasionally if we’re just being spam/trollbotted.

  114. I do wonder occasionally if we’re just being spam/trollbotted.

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    Enlighten me why Rodgers doesn’t demand “being at exact spot at exact time” from his receivers.

    I can tell you why : because he doesn’t know where his 2nd or 3rd option is!!!

  115. Wingswbluecheese posted that this is the “Golden age of AFC QB’s”. And the Pats will go 7-10 until they get an elite QB. Really? 3 out of the 16 AFC starting QB’s have won a SB.Only one has done it in the AFC and that is Patrick Mahomes. Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers won one each in the NFC. I don’t see Russell Wilson bringing the Lombardi to Denver, and I certainly don’t see Aaron Rogers winning one with the Jets. Golden age? That’s about as accurate as a Buffalo kicker in the closing minutes of a Superbowl.

  116. tedmurph says:
    May 16, 2023 at 3:47 pm
    Foles didn’t outplay Brady, Pederson outcoached Belichick.

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    Both are true. Foles was throwing dimes and hitting tight windows. He didn’t have the wide open receivers Brady had or he would have thrown for a lot more. He made every single throw when his team needed it. Brady’s comp was 58%, I wouldnt call that great. Had Amendola for a TD but underthrew him. DA had to come back to the ball. Oh yeah…Foles caught his pass. Brady dropped his.

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    When you’re down in a Super Bowl with 2 minutes to play and 1 timeout, from your own 28 yard line, a homerun play is not the last thing you need, it’s the 1rst thing
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    1 timeout + the 2 minute warning + White would have gone out of bounds stopping the clock and putting the Patriots 60 yards away before the 2 minute warning. There was plenty of time. No need to get greedy. Big mistake by Brady and he paid the price coughing up the ball.

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