Andy Reid on kickoff changes: Eventually you’ll be playing flag football

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The NFL’s obsession with making the game safer has its limits. At some point, it stops football from being football.

In the aftermath of the most recent revisions to the kickoff, Chiefs coach Andy Reid made that observation when asked about the new rule that allows the receiving team on a kickoff to make a fair catch and get the ball at the 25.

“I don’t know,” Reid told reporters, via John Dixon of ArrowheadPride.com. “We’ll have to go through all that. My thing is, ‘Where does it stop?’ Right?

“So you start taking pieces [away] — and we’ll see how this goes — but you don’t want to take too many pieces away. You’ll be playing flag football.”

That’s the balance the NFL needs to strike. It’s one thing to make football safer. It’s another thing to make football not football.

That’s the risk. The game has changed slowly but, overall, dramatically in the past 14 years. Watch games from the 1980s or 1990s on YouTube.com. It was brutal, so much more than it is now.

At some point, the league risks crossing the line into something that makes football feel like it isn’t football anymore. The NFL isn’t there yet, but it could be getting close to it.

66 responses to “Andy Reid on kickoff changes: Eventually you’ll be playing flag football

  1. Players from years gone by still had long careers with lesser medical technology available. Teams weren’t hellbent on building around underwear all stars back in the day. Now teams build around track stars who can’t stay healthy, or athletic 300+ pounders—Ferraris that can’t stay on the road… so keep changing the game to accommodate them?

  2. The NFL is obviously courting the younger, weaker, easily offended generation. Us old timers who have been watching for 40+ years don’t seem to matter much. Football is now more frustrating than fun to watch.

  3. These fat cats will squeeze every last penny out of the game out of greed and the game will be a shadow of itself. Gambling will create asterisk after asterisk. Legacies, brands and entire fanbases will be humiliated and scarred. What a bunch of classless monsters.

    The concussion stuff took me a minute to come around on but I think protecting people’s brains is a big deal. Watching James Harrison highlights feels like Braveheart gore sometimes at this point.

    But this? This change is just candy ___.

    And none of us was asking for it.

  4. Honestly what is the point of this change anyway? Makes the game less exciting and meanwhile is it really making it that much safer? When I think back to the notable injuries of 2022, I do not remember any of them occurring on kickoff coverage. This isn’t going to make the game that much “safer” imo; just less exciting.

  5. The longer Goodell remains the commissioner that’s where the league is going.
    But that doesn’t matter, because everyone here praises Goodell because he makes the owners more money.
    Right? These people have hatred & contempt for billionaires, but cheer for Goodell to make them richer.

  6. If ball coach says it’s a slippery slope, then maybe expose who is coming up with this garbage. Someone has hidden power at these owner meetings and Goodell doesn’t seem that smart. Stop diluting the NFL.

  7. Yes you will Andy. But now your team must play 3 back to back Thursday night games as penalty for speaking the truth. Goya love Andy

  8. Roger Goodell has no business making or influencing decisions that affect the game itself. Just the business side.

  9. Andy Reid is right. This rule change could not only ruin the game but also reduce a special teams player’s contract value and also potentially their roster spot. It’s football, it’s an assumed risk if you play the game.

  10. They are gonna keep going until the regular season will transform into a 17 game version of the pro bowl.

  11. My first thought is that teams are going to be kicking the ball higher and shorter with the goal of smashing the kick returner inside the 20. it just seems like the way it was for years made the kick off team run further, and the return team having enough time to set up blocks. This could end up being complete chaos.

  12. Reid is 100% correct. The NFL is becoming an intentional parody of itself. NFL games are now watered-down husks of the games played in days gone by. We accept it because we have no other choice, other than to turn it off, which I find increasingly easy to do, after a lifetime of watching. BTW, I find MMA, Boxing and NHL hockey more dangerous than Pro Football. And when was the last time fans were stampeded to death at an NFL football game, like happens in international Soccer?

  13. Every NFL kicker should perfect a lethal squib kick. A liner that pinballs off people or a holy roller that stops dead inside the 10.

  14. Yes, football is a fairly dangerous sport. You know this going in, the helmets have gotten better and they’re penalizing pretty heavy these days. But I don’t think this is a good rule.
    Old Andy is right… quit messing with the game.

  15. It’s weird watching those old games. I’m surprised the QBs survived a season because the linebackers were literally trying to knock their heads off…

  16. Aside from not coaching my team, just nothing not to love about Andy Reid. He’s like a normal guy that has a super cool job.

  17. IMO the knee jerk out cry whenever something goes awry by the media, especially the virtue signalers, as well as class action legal headache contribute to the quandary.

  18. As a Bills fan, allow me to say, he’s the best coach in the NFL. Sorry for the name drop but it needed to be said for context.

  19. That’s the risk. The game has changed slowly but, overall, dramatically in the past 14 years. Watch games from the 1980s or 1990s on YouTube.com. It was brutal, so much more than it is now.
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    Brutal, a perfect adjective. That is the issue. Some people enjoy watching others getting injured. They get great joy out of the broken bones, the mangled bodies. These people excuse their bloodlust by talking about the players getting millions to lay their bodies on line for others entertainment.

    Decent people enjoy the game for the athletic competition. Decent people do not care for gladiator like carnage.

  20. Dinosaur mentality. “… like it isn’t football anymore…” Isn’t this similar to any of a thousand analogies to current “anything” versus its old, outmoded, original form? It’s called progress to some. Making an extremely violent sport, that used to leave piles of young, otherwise healthy bodies, maimed and transformed for life a little more safe and slightly less destructive – while still highly entertaining for the masses, seems reasonable and a sign of intelligent planning.

    What if the ORIGINAL rules stated that the Kickoff could be Fair Caught and placed on the 25 yd line? Then, that would be the beloved version you old dinosaurs cling to. The game should not be so “sacred” that rules changes to make it a little less potentially life-altering for its players gets some fans all frothy. If you have sons who play the modern game, you want it to be modified at least a little more, to better protect their long-term health, I would think.

    These tired, old comments like “Soon it will be Flag Football” are simply ignorant and unfounded. Last I checked, it is a game which (at all levels) still features enormous, super-fast athletes flying around the field, colliding with one another at extreme speeds. It is far from Flag Football, and will never be anything like that game. So, can we please slap the next old geezer who wants to moan and say ignorant stuff like that? Grow up, please. Making a super-violent game a little less debilitating is a bit of progress, nothing to cause hand-wringing whatsoever. Tired of all these over-reactions. It is infantile.

  21. The way things are trending, the NFL will turn the rules for regular season games into the rules for the Pro Bowl in just a few years.

  22. Perhaps the youngest generations won’t care, and they’ll still love the game. I know the game of the 90s was dramatically different than it was during the earliest years. Yet, I do find myself gradually disinterested. Hard to pin that on any one reason. And the kickoff lost it’s teeth several years ago now. But I’m not eager for a football game without a kicking and return game.

  23. The nfl is already there. You cant touch the qb without a flag, they are getting rid of one of the most exciting plays in the game when a returner breaks free. The game is getting virtually unwatchable.

  24. If the NFL wants to take high speed contact out of kickoffs they should use the XFL’s model. Of course the NFL is too arrogant to do that.

  25. Andy Reid is absolutely correct….when each time you tackle a QB becomes a discussion point you may as well issue flags and belts. The NFL is not close to the same game from 10 years ago and much less enjoyable….when penalties become the talking points versus the play on the field the pivot has occurred and your brand begins to erode.

  26. I used to watch any game that was on, now I’m content seeing the box score. Nothing like it used to be

  27. Flag football is a good call coach, I miss those games that made the NFL. Now that was the football that we grew to love, not this product they have on the field now.

  28. Reid is right. When does it end?

    Pretty soon it will be, “why even kick it off?” and they just start at the 25

  29. this sport used to be fun to watch even if your team was in last place. But unless your team is top ten,the game has no pull any more. for me it has come down to placing my bet and checking the scores in the morning.

  30. Finally!! Someone with the stones to say what we’ve all been thinking!

  31. It is all so dumb now. This is also why Bryce Youngs size does not matter. Players gettting paid millions for 2 hand touch.

  32. The game needs to evolve to survive. It needs to be safer from the top down or football will lose players to less dangerous sports as more parents decide to keep their kids out of it for safety reasons.

    Also, if you watch NFL highlights from 30-40 years ago you can see how much bigger the players are and how much faster the game is. “The good old days” of NFL football were when players were just cannon fodder. Caring about player safety is a GOOD thing. Anyone who feels differently should examine their values.

  33. I was thinking about the MLB rule changes recently. Baseball has taken much deserved criticism over the years. But, the rule changes this year were in response to a survey of their fans. Whether you like the changes or not, MLB wanted to give the fans what they wanted. I can respect that.

    Has the NFL ever thought about the fans at any given point when they make any decision? The answer is no.

  34. Can PFT do an article on turf injuries vs kickoff injuries? I think people would be interested to see the numbers.

  35. Getting close? We’re practically there. You can’t even put your weight on someone when tackling them. Make it stop

  36. If Goodell weren’t so arrogant, he might have told the competition committee to look at the XFL kickoff model, which actually worked.

  37. It’s a violent, hard hitting game, and it’s been that way since the very start. All these players know what they’re signing up for, and what ruined it is all these players coming back and suing because of concussions and CTE related illnesses. Football is becoming a joke with all these rules, and someday if they’re not careful, they will run the sport right into the ground.

  38. It’s a violent game and always will be. The league should be concentrating on things like natural grass in all stadiums, funding technological advancements in player equipment, and improving their concussion protocol. But all of that costs money and we’ve seen the league has no interest in spending their cash on it.

  39. The NFLPA’s argument for higher player salaries was because of the risk of injury. Then the NFLPA and past/present NFL players sued the NFL for injuries, which meant that the NFL was/is FORCED to minimize its legal liability by turning NFL football into powderpuff football. There WILL be a point where NFL teams will say that they have minimized injury risks to the lowest possible threshold and that player salaries should decrease as a result. Players will reap what they have sown and fans will rejoice at lower ticket costs.

  40. It almost feels like if a defensive player looks at a quarterback wrong they are getting flagged. Same thing with defensive backs and wide receivers, any contact at all and it’s pass interference. Things are out of hand.

  41. making the game safer by adding more regular season games also? smart….i for one actually believe that the way offenses have evolved over the last 20yrs the risk of concussions is actually greater even with defensive players letting up and avoiding collisions: look at it this way, more spacing, more high speed running leads also to more risk of slamming into each other and the turf, and also more passing means more risk to QB injuries. Its not hard to figure out. They should slide some of the rules back and you will see more running backs getting the ball too which would be great…its an embarrasment what they make these DBs go through to try and barely be able to cover a WR or a TE….and the spot foul on PI is an abomination. but hey, NFL still is awesome!!!

  42. ARod(in his collarbone) says:
    May 25, 2023 at 8:58 am
    It’s a violent, hard hitting game, and it’s been that way since the very start. All these players know what they’re signing up for, and what ruined it is all these players coming back and suing because of concussions and CTE related illnesses. Football is becoming a joke with all these rules, and someday if they’re not careful, they will run the sport right into the ground.
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    So anyone who works in a dangerous job doesn’t deserve empathy? The NFL has grown to what it is on the backs of the players. Yes, they take a known risk, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t care about the players’ health. If players safety doesn’t matter to you then you’re just a bad person.

  43. Andy Reid is Right. But this is what happens when you put someone in charge of the league that is willing to tear down the game in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

  44. nerfedtackle says:
    May 25, 2023 at 9:31 am
    It almost feels like if a defensive player looks at a quarterback wrong they are getting flagged. Same thing with defensive backs and wide receivers, any contact at all and it’s pass interference. Things are out of hand.

    This actually happened last year when Chris Jones was flagged for saying words to Indy QB Matt Ryan. Chris Jones didn’t touch Ryan or anything, just said some words to him and was flagged for it.

  45. One of the issues is that the nfl used to base their rules off the college game. College football was so much bigger than the nfl at the time so it worked. Now the nfl has outgrown college football. College is just a cheap feeder system for the nfl.

  46. I absolutely LAUGH at the defenders of these CRAP rule changes in the name of safety. They somehow believe that the owners care about player safety. That’s a hoot. Also getting paid millions to play a game is what the risk is all about. Calling REAL fans names and saying we love to watch injuries is borish, maybe we believe in the concept, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. These days the new generations believe they can change everything for the better. BS! Go reinvent the wheel already. Lol

  47. I doubt this change actually has anything to do with concern for player safety. It feels like one piece of a plan to gradually phase out special teams. Owners and Goodell would like that because it could mean smaller rosters and more money.

    I’m in favor of plenty of player safety moves, but you can’t remove the strategic element of the game and turn it into two offenses just racing up and down the field. Who doesn’t love to see a player get pinned on the three yard line on a kickoff and have the excitement of seeing if his team can get out of the hole or watch his QB scrambling around trying to avoid a sack? We won’t be seeing that on kickoffs now. What’s next?

  48. One of the issues is that the nfl used to base their rules off the college game. College football was so much bigger than the nfl at the time so it worked. Now the nfl has outgrown college football. College is just a cheap feeder system for the nfl.
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    College football is about to burn to the ground.

    The NFLs free minor league is about to disappear.

  49. Violent sports can’t be all inclusive. Time to fix that. Tackling requires too much testosterone.

  50. So if the ball is kicked out of the back of the end zone, it’s a touchback. If it’s kicked into the end zone and downed, it’s a touchback. Now if it’s not quite kicked to the end zone and downed, it’s a touchback.

    The only thing that remains is the money making tv commercials before AND after the kickoff. Those stay.

  51. … and the spot foul on PI is an abomination.
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    It would be far worse if they made it a 10 or 15 yard penalty.

    Holding every time a defender thought their man would run past them. Everytime.

    The game would be unwatchable.

  52. Teams will squib kick. THEN the league will allow a fair catch on a squib kick.

  53. Player safety ….. pftt…… yet they play Thursday Night Football …… who are they kidding

  54. wintercoates87 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
    I absolutely LAUGH at the defenders of these CRAP rule changes in the name of safety. Calling REAL fans names and saying we love to watch injuries is borish….
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    The word is boorish, and that is exactly why you watch. You love the carnage. That is why you are against anything that makes the game safer.

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