Patriots forfeited OTAs trace to a meeting violation

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The Patriots will lose a pair of OTA days for violating the offseason rules. Given that the offseason rules can be violated in many ways, we wanted to find out what the Patriots did.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, it was a meeting violation. According to the source, an observer from the NFL Players Association believed that one of the optional early offseason meetings was a violation, because the 15-minute meeting in question (a special-teams session) was made visible on the internal schedule.

In the opinion of the NFLPA, placing the meeting on the formal schedule converted it from “optional” to “mandatory.”

The violation, per the source, had nothing to do with activities on the practice field, including whether or not there was impermissible contact.

Given the consequences, it was an unforced error that forces the Patriots to lose 20 percent of their OTA sessions for 2023.

80 responses to “Patriots forfeited OTAs trace to a meeting violation

  1. The league knows if they call the Patriots out on a violation it will create a media frenzy. They put a 15 min meeting on a schedule? Come on now. This is some BS.

  2. Wow. That’s gotta be the pettiest thing I’ve ever heard. Why not just give them a warning and issue a memo?

    Oh, right…this is a league that spends millions to “prove” that science isn’t real so they can penalize this team. What a crock.

  3. Less football prep because of a spreadsheet violation for an optional 15 minute meeting is the 21st century NFL in a nutshell. I also heard the sun was too bright that day.

  4. Wow.

    I mean, if anyone wants to question if the league will always have a thing for scouring for reasons to cheat NE, look no further.

    You just can’t make it up.

    “You can’t have a meeting we believe to be mandatory”.

    Seek clinical care, NFLPA and Goodell.

    Wow. Just wow.

  5. Great, so initial reporting is dead wrong, and what is reported now is completely unrelated to orevious. So why should this report from an unnamed source be any more accurate than before?

  6. Lol…. Sounds more like the LEAGUE was looking for a way to “PUNISH the Patriots for voting AGAINST THEIR NEW FAIR CATCH RULE PROPOSAL….. coincidence?? HMMMNMMN me don’t think so!!!
    The League would NEVER BE THAT PETTY!!!

  7. Ok, I hate the patriots as a Jets fan but seriously? That’s some bull. They put the meeting on the calendar? Heavens forbid! Dock them a 1st round pick while your at it.

  8. Asking players to attend a 15-minute meeting? Egregious attempt to exploit these men. Good thing the NFLPA has their back.

  9. an observer from the NFL Players Association
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    So… a Patriots player who didn’t want to go? Lol

  10. Compared to teams who repeatedly deliberately flaunted the contact rules, this sounds like garbage- over a 15 min meeting? Ridiculous.

  11. Seems like a simple clerical oversite. Nevertheless, here comes ‘cheater’ posts

  12. That really has to be deflating for the whole franchise. I hope they are still able to have some fun.

  13. It’s almost unavoidable now but to think that the Patriots = cheating.

  14. Thank you, Mr. Florio. The light shone on the subject is a relief for the inquisitive.

  15. So, how do players typically find out about these optional meetings? Just word-of-mouth? Or is there an “optional calendar” just for those sorts of meetings? And what exactly could they possibly cover in just 15 minutes? Sounds like it’d probably be little more than a meet and greet.

  16. The Patriots Cheaters Truthers crack me up.
    Keep it going trolls, we love it.

  17. I’m writing my boss right now. Remember that optional summer meeting you talked about? Well, if you put it on the schedule, it’s mandatory!

  18. Wow. We were led to believe it was the offense and also led to believe it was too physical. Guess who was wrong. Again.

  19. 15 minute meeting? What are they going to force the players to do next, tie their own shoes? Plug in their own iPads? Time to lay down the law and take away all future first round picks until Belichick retires

  20. Ha, I love the comments from the teams that ALWAYS suck! Yeah, they broke a meeting rule, move on Jets, Bills, Dolphins fans.

  21. Why such a harsh punishment for something so small? Pats are repeat offenders of violating rules. My favorite was when their “content team” was caught filming the sidelines of the Bengals. That footage was obviously never going to be used by BB since he’s never used illegal footage before. They just got caught before it could get to him.

  22. So in the future the team needs to write it on a chalk board, so that it isnt “official”, that way they wont get in trouble for putting it on the “official itinerary” for the day. I thought it was something like Bill Obrien gathering the offense to get a head start on the plays. This is astonishingly stupid.

  23. I mean, if anyone wants to question if the league will always have a thing for scouring for reasons to cheat NE, look no further.

    You just can’t make it up.
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    LOL!!!

    Now when the Patriots finish fourth, you can cite this as an excuse as to why. Goodell cheated us again!!

    BB is on the way out, and it’s glorious.

  24. So, how do players typically find out about these optional meetings? Just word-of-mouth? Or is there an “optional calendar” just for those sorts of meetings? And what exactly could they possibly cover in just 15 minutes? Sounds like it’d probably be little more than a meet and greet.
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    It’s the 21st century…. Don’t you know BB is using mind control to get his messages out….. he did this on purpose to cover it up, guess I done let the cat outa the bag!!

  25. kissbillsrings says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:46 am
    Lol…. Sounds more like the LEAGUE was looking for a way to “PUNISH the Patriots for voting AGAINST THEIR NEW FAIR CATCH RULE PROPOSAL….. coincidence?? HMMMNMMN me don’t think so!!!
    The League would NEVER BE THAT PETTY!!!

    466Rate
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    I made this comment when Kraft voted FOR the flex thing. zi laughed and thought “he has to do that as the guy leading the tv committee”.

    But, they screwed up by voting against the new punting rule, clearly.

    All of a sudden scheduling a simple OTA meeting is “cheating”. This is the new lowest of lows by Goodell.

    I don’t even care if you hate NE, there is clear intent here by Goodell to mess with BBs OTA schedule as O’Brien installs the new offense.

    Blatnantly obvious.

    Cue up JimmythePin and others for being beyond naive and gullible while thinking they’re not. lol

  26. libertyandunion1994 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 11:13 am
    Ha, I love the comments from the teams that ALWAYS suck! Yeah, they broke a meeting rule, move on Jets, Bills, Dolphins fans.

    It’s usually the “fans” of teams who have done or won nothing that chirp the loudest

  27. buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:52 am
    It’s almost unavoidable now but to think that the Patriots = cheating.

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    It’s almost unavoidable now to know that 50% of the country has an IQ well below their body temperature.

  28. As a Dolphins fan, I hate the Patriots more than most, but even I have to say to Goodell, “come on man, seriously?”

  29. Harsh?? OTAs are optional. Bill usually gives them the last one off anyway. All because they wrote down a 15min meeting on a piece of paper? This is so dumb. Last year, teams were penalized for excessive contact. Either way, feels like a hat and t-shirt kind of year here in NE.

  30. …..The Greatest Franchise in Sporting History will only use this a motivation to revisit Carthage.

  31. This wouldn’t be payback for those clown T-shirts they wore after they won that Superbowl would it? Perhaps it’s the league office being petty because the Patriots voted AGAINST the fair catch rule. Talk about petty and insignificant. Will Jim Irsay be pointing to that 15 minute meeting as the reason as the reason the Patriots end up with 12 wins, andhis team stinks again this year?

  32. You’d think the Player’s Association would have bigger fish to fry… But, I guess not.

  33. 15 minutes = 2 practices . Never happened at any other of the 31 teams before ? Haters going to hate I guess.

  34. What’s that smell? It smells like desperation and 4th place in the AFCE. You guys had a nice run even if you have to carry the weight of all those asterisks.

  35. Besides defaming the GOAT and dragging the team thru years of abuse because the NFL was ignorant of a scientific LAW and wanted revenge, THIS is the most bogus of all bogus reasons to punish a team.

  36. This isn’t Goodell, the NFL, or other owners gunning for the Patriots, it’s the union checking that every comma, period, and semicolon in the CBA is followed. Make sure your outrage is appropriately directed.

  37. Not even remotely a Pats fan, but I agree with the chorus on this thread, everything about this scenario is azzinine: The NFLPA insider “gotcha” whistle-blower, the initial (completely inaccurate) reporting, the absurdly disproportionate penalty…. what a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction by the Shield. With the emphasis squarely on “jerk”.

    This sanctimonious holier-than-thou our-sh1t-don’t-stink finger-pointing that both the league & the PA engage in weekly….. childish, boorish, ridiculous, all of it, and it will be their undoing.

    Although in this specific circumstance, the league’s behavior is far more egregious.

    Choose your metaphor, mine is “death by a thousand cuts”…. this being just one more glaring example of the NFL’s slow decline in the minds & hearts of long-time multi-generation fans. Fans that grew up enamored of the grit of the players & the highly competitive nature of the game itself. Fans that loved the game for the game, not for nonsense FFL baloney or the rampant & pernicious gambling.

    It’s not that Grifter Goodell is merely a cartoonish morally-bankrupt con-man, it’s more so that he & his minions have so lost touch with the “Jane & Joe LunchBucket” family fan demographic that the trust & credibility can never be restored. More to the point, with every passing day & every silly stupid “decision and/or brain-dead ruling, the league salutes us old-school loyalists with a middle-finger salute and demonstrates that they simply don’t care.

    Sad. Very sad. Somewhere, Halas & Lombardi & Curly Lambeau & their ilk are itching to be re-born so they could ch0ke the greed & corruption outta most of the current owners, and the owners’ syncophant lapdog Dodgie Rodgie.

  38. Should just warrant a slap on the wrist & a memo reminding all teams. I get it’s hard for players & coaches to go easy in training & therefore need protecting for their own good – but a 15 minute meeting mistake, what a croc of BS!!

  39. Not a Pats fan at all, but that’s ridiculous. Just a chance to put NE and violation in the same sentence again.

  40. Is anyone surprised that the Pats were caught cheating–again? I love it when Belicheat gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He’s the most overrated coach in history, and those Super Bowl rings are all tainted.

  41. bullcharger says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:38 am
    The league knows if they call the Patriots out on a violation it will create a media frenzy. They put a 15 min meeting on a schedule? Come on now. This is some BS.

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    Also… Once players have already shown up voluntarily to OTAs, why can’t you schedule a meeting with them? Really stupid.

  42. v2787 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 12:48 pm
    Is anyone surprised that the Pats were caught cheating–again? I love it when Belicheat gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He’s the most overrated coach in history, and those Super Bowl rings are all tainted.

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    I guess you can’t read?

    It’s the opposite of cheating. They put an optional meeting on a calendar for all to see and did not denote it as optional. Cheating would be having unpublished mandatory meetings during OTAs.

  43. Ilostmyteamtogreedandsettledforbetter says:
    May 25, 2023 at 12:47 pm
    Not a Pats fan at all, but that’s ridiculous. Just a chance to put NE and violation in the same sentence again.

    20Rate This

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    Thanksfor being honest.

    This just shows the way Woody Johnson of the Jets controls Goodell.

    Those people are the cheaters.

  44. ukmark says:
    May 25, 2023 at 12:37 pm
    Should just warrant a slap on the wrist & a memo reminding all teams. I get it’s hard for players & coaches to go easy in training & therefore need protecting for their own good – but a 15 minute meeting mistake, what a croc of BS!!

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    it doesn’t even warrant a memo. Lets just assume when players show up to OTAs you are allowed to have meetings with them. I don’t know why every meeting would need to be explicitly marked as optional when the players already know they don’t have to go to OTAs in the first place.

  45. jrock955 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:49 am
    What a pitiful franchise that team has devolved into… Smh.

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    What team do you cheer for? All your comments seem to be trolling the news feed of teams you don’t like.

  46. On one hand, this definitely feels like punishment not fitting the crime, not a big deal at all

    On the other hand, I am in favor of anything that bubbles “Patriots = Cheating” to the top

  47. What’s next a loss of draft picks because the Patriots didn’t explicitly tell their players to drink water during workouts? Come on man

  48. Part of football success is paying attention to the little details.

    Bill didn’t do that here, and it cost the Pats two practices.

    That’s not a conspiracy nor is it a sign that the league has lost its mind. The Pats broke a small rule and paid a small price for it.

    Next time, do better. Bill will be the first to admit exactly what I just wrote.

  49. Roger Goodell has since destroyed all printed and electronic schedules. Don’t leave any evidence behind. Is that the motto of criminals or the NFL??

  50. Someone on the “inside” ratted the team out.

    My guess is Jake Bailey. Suspended by BB last year, filed a grievance, no longer on the team but told the union to watch out for this in NE and here we are.

  51. Maybe the Patriots shouldn’t have voted against the new Fair Catch rule that Goodell wanted.

  52. goodellthegrifter says: May 25, 2023 at 10:45 am Wow. I mean, if anyone wants to question if the league will always have a thing for scouring for reasons to cheat NE, look no further. You just can’t make it up. “You can’t have a meeting we believe to be mandatory”. Seek clinical care, NFLPA and Goodell. Wow. Just wow —— “Scouring for reasons to cheat NE” lol. They broke the rules, as usual you can cry that you don’t like the rules but they broke it AND furthermore you attest that Belichick is infallible and knows all soooooo this is all on him as he should easily know something that only rookie head coaches get dinged for(which I’ll point out it can only be 2 things, Belichick either knew it was against the rules but thought he wouldn’t get caught or he didn’t know a rule yet you claim he knows all and is perfect). Either way it’s as bad of a look as your incessant trolling is. Belichick is supposed to be a mastermind who knows all the details and is 100 time smarter than everyone else (according to you) soooo he should 100% be paying attn to details

  53. It appears the severity of the punishment has a lot to do with the Patriots unsavory history.

  54. johnthorpe says:
    May 25, 2023 at 1:26 pm
    Part of football success is paying attention to the little details.

    Bill didn’t do that here, and it cost the Pats two practices.

    That’s not a conspiracy nor is it a sign that the league has lost its mind. The Pats broke a small rule and paid a small price for it.

    Next time, do better. Bill will be the first to admit exactly what I just wrote.

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    Hogwash.

    They were probably stupefied getting this news last night and wonder when Goodell’s cheating will ever end.

    BB now has to check with lhe league to schedule a meeting during OTAs. Of all the embarrassing Goodell lies, this one ranks near the top.

    A simple reminder or clarification, as pathetic as it is, would have done the job.

    For you to try to insinuate other teams don’t have team meetings, planned or not, is preposterous beyond all belief.

    It’s goalpost moving 101.

  55. You just can’t make it up.

    When you have history of cheating you should realize you don’t deserve any latitude to make an honest mistake…however honest and Pats in same sentence is an oxymoron.

  56. G00dellMustGo says:
    May 25, 2023 at 1:36 pm
    Someone on the “inside” ratted the team out.

    My guess is Jake Bailey. Suspended by BB last year, filed a grievance, no longer on the team but told the union to watch out for this in NE and here we are.
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    There’s speculation it could be an insider but not Bailey.

    It’s someone sick of J🤡e Judge. Bravo to whoever did that. Over to you BB to do the right thing.

  57. colainsa says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:41 am
    Cheaters cheat. Move along.
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    You realize there’s a WHOLE lot in between that and placing a 15 minute meeting on the formal schedule, right? Sheesh

  58. jrock955 says:
    May 25, 2023 at 10:49 am
    What a pitiful franchise that team has devolved into… Smh.
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    It … was … a … 15 … minute … meeting … placed … on … the … daily … schedule

    Come on people.

  59. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 25, 2023 at 3:07 pm
    You just can’t make it up.

    When you have history of cheating you should realize you don’t deserve any latitude to make an honest mistake…however honest and Pats in same sentence is an oxymoron.
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    And any rational person who thinks adding an optional meeting onto a schedule constitutes cheating needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Equating that to (arguably fictional) cheating skips past oxymoronic and lands squarely in the same namespace just without the oxy prefix. “don’t deserve any latitude to make an honest mistake” Rubbish. Even the most ardent person making sure they comply with the rules would have a hard time thinking that was a violation. Sheesh

  60. LOL at all the cheating comments.

    VIOLATION:
    Special team meeting 13:00-13:15

    NON-VIOLATION:
    Special team meeting 13:00-13:15 *optional*

    There’s just not a big enough roll eyes emoji for y’all. Too funny.

  61. Why do they call this “Organized Team Activities” if you’re not allowed to post a schedule. They should be called “Disorganized Team Activities”.

  62. Belichick got fined $50k in addition to two lost days of practice. Seriously, how much do the players and owners/management of the NFL suck now? It’s become so political with completely contrived narratives. It’s unwatchable. I’ll be resuming my hiking career on Sundays in the fall for sure.

  63. bozobiden says:
    May 25, 2023 at 12:00 pm
    This wouldn’t be payback for those clown T-shirts they wore after they won that Superbowl would it?
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    Probably payback for that draft trade with the Steelers that allowed Pitt to take the player the Jets wanted.

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